I haven't forgotten the shape this boat was in when they got it. Lagoon's poor quality is not even an issue. The quality of the work they've done is the issue. Right there is a lagoon I would put my family on. Absolutely.

only 10 hrs per side too

Yeah Greg, you're right on. What Parlay exposed, but is not seen in this video, is the TERRIBLE job Lagoon did tabbing those bulkheads to the hull. They didn't. Colin exposed them as simply stuck in a big gob of glue, which is not going to hold them in place properly over the long haul if the boat sees any kind of seas. The bulkheads really need to be completely removed, and all the furniture around them as well, so you can get to the how they attach to the hull, and re-do it correctly. Colin did the proper job, and HIS boat I would trust. These add-on kits are really only addressing 1/2 the problem. And what an embarrassing problem it is! Who designed that crap in the FIRST place?!

To be fair to Lagoon, they may have data or evidence that the bulkhead adhesive is still intact. Dauntless has done a spectacular job on their previous work, so I have no doubt they completed the supplies procedure as well as possible. What baffles me is how Lagoon even got here in the first place. The construction methodology used on that main bulkhead looks like it was copied off of a Catalina 24. They should have at least extended one of the additional pieces of ply at the top and bottom joints to distribute the stress further. Tough to believe they are able to use this in a 50 without issue ..

@@gregstevens527 What's really funny about that comment is that Catalina never made a 24! LOL And they didn't use it in a 50 (45 actually) "without issue" - they had LOTs of issues. It IS completely baffling. I get cutting corners and all that, but a builder like Beneteau/Lagoon would surely get the engineering correct? Maybe a bean counter said to strip it down. Hard to believe any of it.

@@mikemendes7598 exactly .

@Mal Parlay did the best job I've seen of fixing the engineering defect Lagoon had. I am not confident the fix kit by Lagoon is good enough. Time will tell

I bet they wished the accountants didn’t engineer there apartments. As we know this kit is just a patch job save face

I love your wording on a channel called „dauntless“… 🤣👍

That is awesome! Thank you

Keep an eye on social media for the deets!

Parley’s damage was at the extreme and involved other issues beyond the bulkhead design. The VAST majority of the 450’s will need reinforcement and/or minor repair.

Colins damage was to the point of imminent hull failure...he had to pretty much write the book on reconstruction of his bulkheads and to be honest...everything that touched them ...his boat is a tank as a result ..i doubt anything will break it now

Exactly

I agree these owners are going to see more problems, Lagoon is just trying to cover their problem by giving them a band-aid, I would be pissed if I had spent this kind of money and was told its minor and this SELF HELP repair kit would fix it

@@MrDannyr2000 there’s only one, maybe two that are really fixed in the world ! Just think of the resale market ! Who’d pay top dollar for a boat that has a major issue in its loading bulkheads …. Also this fix is just for one bulkhead, the two Cats on KZfaq had failure on both which also caused bridge deck attachment failure.

@@br5498 I would not touch a Lagoon and owners seem to be ok with the repair kits and doing the work themselves, I would be taking legal action, these boats are a major investment and should not be failing especially a boat of only this age

Even at 50% discount I wouldn’t touch one, simply not safe

Strongly disagree - fixed is fixed. I think that once fixed, the stainless strongbacks prob make it much stronger than orig design

that ply has lost it's integrity. Ply is very ridged due to its cross bond construction. The force to deform the ply to the extent shown would completely ruin it's integrity I'm afraid. Just fixing the visible edge in my humble opinion will not be a long term fix. even installing those structural channels will just transfer those loads elsewhere on that bulkhead. Sure the door opening is a weak point and if the door was reinforced like that then maybe it would be ok. Maybe. But now that the ply is compromised, it has to be replaced. I'm a house builder and we use "ply beams" called LVL's. They are incredibly strong but the ones we use are very beefy. We use thin ply to provide bracing, but you need a much stronger structure. A static home has way less lateral force than what is exerted on the ply bulkhead. We use ply for concrete formwork but the amount of reinforcing and structural support added is insane. Also, a structural repair on a building site will need the complete structure to be revealed to understand the full extent of the damage and give access for a proper repair. Sikaflex is not a structural repair product on its own. Needs great clamping in form of many screws over a large surface area. I'll watch the repair with great interest, unfortunately the extent of damage on those bulkheads will be classified on a building site as broken and will not be repaired. As a builder I will be very worried if my engineer presents that as a structural solution/fix. I'll appoint another engineer. Sorry, not what you would like to hear, just my opinion.

@@matthewmelton2361 are you sure about that??.....so you would have confidence to take your family offshore in a boat with a fundamental structural flaw with a quick and easy patch up??

See you there!

keep an eye out on FB and IG

Next week

I'm afraid the integrity of the ply has been lost. It may look ok but it isn't. Take that ply out and put it under load and it will not have 20% of it's original strength. The load on the ply exceeds the ply capacity to carry the load. I'm not convinced this will resolve the problem.

Nope. Definitely not. Wouldn’t even sail to the Bahamas with this lightweight fix.

And that‘s because you don‘t want to leave mom‘s basement or are there any valid reasons as well? 🙄

@@spaRTan3246 very silly comment pal. So you would take your family offshore in a boat with a well know structural flaw would you???

@@spaRTan3246 Old enough to be your grandfather, Three continents out of seven and Two oceans and a military veteran and you?👶

If your hoing to do it . You gota wear a thong.

There has never been an issue with bulkhead to hull adhesion. This issue was overtension to a single layer 15mm bulkhead causing collapse and failure. If the bulkheads fail then they must be removed and reglassed into the hull.

If this bulkhead breaks, a whole chain of subsequent damage develops, among which is separation of hull and bulkhead. Do not confuse primary and secondary damage, which admittedly is not obvious if all you look at is the result in a badly damaged boat where the chain went to its end.

Congrats to Lagoon? You mean congrats to Colin and Ryan for going through massive amounts of pain to convince Lagoon to finally stop denying any issue and admit there was a problem. When all the other owners were telling them to shut up, some even threatening them. Yeah…..go lagoon ay. 🙄

@@TURSTY09 You are quite right!

Those “voids” are the gap between stiff glass and sharp corners not able to flex and bond. It was never touching.

@@SailingDauntless Yeah I now - it's supposed to...

the edge of the ply should have been protected and covered, should never have been left exposed like that. It's open to moisture, biggest enemy of ply. What were they thinking?

So you want to charge big time for something 99% of the owners don‘t appreciate and are not willing to pay for? You work in a government job? ☺️

Yeah once you see the job done right it make you question a simple patch.

Thanks for asking...the boats and their crew are all doing well. It got a little sporty overnight with winds at 60+ but we had both boats tied off well and kept a vigilant watch. Still a bit blustery with sporty gusts but we made it through the worst without incident!

Lol, I haven’t been called skinny in a while 😂 Glad you enjoyed the video

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we originally did. no difference on our boat but we had a properly tensioned rig

It's not really a "failure" point. She was just referring to the seams in the reinforcements. The joint is weaker that the solid piece so it is offset to ensure rigidity. This will make more sense when you see the kit installed.

Classic. Thank you Michael Keaton.

The only way to obtain a kit and instructions is to go through an authorized Lagoon Dealer to get the form to fill out and give back to the dealer and have them submit it to Lagoon. The reinforcement kit and instructions are sent from Lagoon specific to your boat based on your submission of the information they request. Not including dry time, it really only took about 6 hours total.

We paid a guy $1,300 Australian to carry out the work in accordance with the instructions. Our 9 year old 450 had minimal distortion.

I have a copy of a kit my son did on Microsoft paint, you can use it, just forward me your email.

I have been in the wall inspected the bulkhead to hull joints which are solid. I don’t know where your getting your info from but all structural bulkheads are tabbed in on these boats….. only non-structural walls, floorboard supports and furnishings are affixed with Plexus.

Watch again, your mistaken

Well I am sure that this fix save many 450's who have little or no defamation. The issue is with those who have major problems and it is not an easy or quick fix. I found the announcement by Lagoon interesting in that they said the report by these naval architects agreed with themselves that the boats were safe to sail. That is a lot different from saying well it is not a design flaw that just means well the mast is not going to come down and you can sail it to port. BTW the "Press" about the issue was started by a KZfaqr who ironically got a lot of hate from owners not that they disagreed with the issue they just did not want it published because it knocked a lot of money of their boats.

I disagree with Peggy. If you ask a 'prior owner' of an L450 if they would buy another one at the current market price, the answer is likely to be a resounding "No," and that says everything. There are so many other fine vessels that do not possess this structural issue, 'repair kitted' or not. I realize this is not a great thing for sellers to hear, but it seems honest, and accurate.

@@Jimfinn649 I understand what you are trying to say except not a fair comparison. If you are a prior owner of any vessel it is unlikely you would buy the same again needs change the market changes i.e. more modern designs are on the market or perhaps your family has grown and you need a bigger boat etc etc. Would people buy a L450 at the market price yes for sure. The question you should ask is if the market price worldwide is less due to these bulkhead failures. I would say yes even for one fitted with a repair kit. Of course this is just my opinion

@@glennedwards1449 I am not sure I agree. I have sold a few boats due to situational changes that I would absolutely buy again. Of course, those are the ones that I have unfettered faith in.

They sure did!

We are safe and no damage!

Lol a lot cheaper that getting sued for such a shoddy built bulkhead !!! That whole B/head should be the same thickness all the way up The loading on it is huge . and increases when sailing as the force on any mast is downwards !! Yes over tensioning the rig is never good but !!

stepped up lol with a $500 patch kit? They should have those single ply bent bulkheads ripped out and installed free of charge, 3 layers deep with glass and tabbing, not glue lol.

For sure!👍

Thanks for asking...the boats and their crew are all doing well. It got a little sporty overnight with winds at 60+ but we had both boats tied off well and kept a vigilant watch. Still a bit blustery with sporty gusts but we made it through the worst without incident!

Glad to hear it! Been watching your channel for months and I’ve seen all the eps. Not a sailor (have an 18 ft Bayliner for 20 years) but love your content and can do approach to life! Keep them coming and best to you and your family!

Yes, there are several

They will pay a dealer not an owner. I do not know what they charge.

we have checked and they are not separated, and ours did not drop like Colin’s because we dont have his damage.

Every boat gets a free kit…… regardless of the history.

Did Parlay Rivival get one?

Colin’s boat needed repair and rebuilding NOT reinforcement. All boats are eligible for a reinforcement kit but if one is repairing, the methodology is to re-build the bulkhead with three layers vs rebuilding to original spec and adding a reinforcement kit.

@@SailingDauntless Well I guess all you owners can thank Colin for exposing the flaw if they all need rebuilding or reinforcing. Your boat was fully sunken after Irma and they are even covering yours so they must really be acknowledging the design flaw, which is great. Would have never happened without his episodes.

@@SailingDauntless what about david shih’s boat? it was not even been to hurricane but still same issue with bent bulkhead

Lol, I didn’t catch that mistake. Oops!

That legend level of repair is necessary if your boat is damaged past the point of reinforcement and there is broken plywood, fiberglass damage etc…

What you‘re oblivious of is that every part - and thus every repair - has to be made at the right strength. Not too weak, not too strong. As cats are flexing big time you‘d just create a new weakest link somewhere else in the chain. Otherwise you could just bolt and epoxy some nice 2mm 316 sheets to each side of the bulkhead - plenty strong albeit a bit heavy maybe… ☺️

Watch his November 24, 2021 video and then tell me it’s from improper rig tuning.

Yeah David found QC problems all over. Luckily his boat will be perfect and Strong when he is done itching...I mean fixing.

Thank you for the comment, The string line showed the bulkheads perfectly straight so I’ve only shown the parts that are NOT straight. Since the resting compression is aprox 9000lbs I agree that it must be immense. Catamarans are designed to and need to flex significantly. Any deformation/damage from that flex absolutely needs attention with reinforcement or repair which is why we are installing the kit. However, despite what I, you or anyone else thinks, the engineers at VPLP who have designed and engineered more that 240 racing, cruising and luxury catamarans in the last three decades says that it is safe and structurally sound. I am confident in their professional opinion. PS my wife worked construction for 21 years and she can read a tape 😉

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