Vegito used to be different because his fusion lasted forever. Now that they retconed him to the time limit, they are literally the same character. Smh

Isn't it crazy that although SSJ4 is heavily implied to be an incredibly efficient form, SSJ4 Gogeta is so powerful that their fusion was only able to last about 15 minutes?

It’s a shame we’ll never see Trunkten I want to see how they Potara fusion would act in comparison

I love how gogeta made super Saiyan Blue relevant again and showed the respect the form deserves as well as giving it's glory times.

11:40 I love that you get into this whole SSJ4 Gogeta = SSJ5 theory. I use the same points usually, with Gotenks' example how a fusion can powerup into the next superior level, the color of the fur, etc. Great vid! Just found your channel with some of your latest vids, great stuff all around!

I always saw Gogeta and Vegito as siblings with Gogeta showing more personality traits from Goku and Vegito showing more traits from Vegeta. Sure they share the same power, are made from the same fusion participants and are theoretical able to use the same techniques from one another but minor differences such as physical appearance and slightly personality shifts and even different names show that they aren't the same.

My mind says Vegito but my heart says Gogeta.

Potara was a fun idea due to the thought that they would be stuck that way, even if not forever at least for a prolonged period of time. Like are they now married to both ChiChi and Bulma? Who do they stay with? Would they just be like nah weren't a new person now and go get their own new wife? What if they had a new child while fused before something caused them to separate eventually and then once they were apart who would claim the child? There was so much potential for a 'permanent' or at least them thinking it was permanent while proving eventually to be just semi-permanent fusion.

Bro doesn’t stop working

Tbf vegito was trying to get absorbed by buu and zamasu is immortal. He just tends to get pitted against hax characters and he doesn't have any hax attacks himself (cleansing) like gogeta he's just strong

I love that you calculated the nutrition facts of jawbreaker Vegito

I always wanted an arc in Super where they retconned Super Saiyan 4 into canon. Specifically, I wanted Whis to restore Goku and Vegeta's tails and make them train in Oozaru. It'd be cool if they became Super Saiyan 4 upon mastering Oozaru. The series could call it Mastered Oozaru which could explain SSJ4 Gogeta as an Oozaru God. It would even open the door to the fanmade Super Saiyan 5 becoming canon as Ultra Instinct Oozaru. It's a concept I always thought tied things up well.

Gogeta Blue vs Broly is amazing. As soon as Gogeta transformes to Blue Broly cant even land a hit.

The vegito slander is wild

20:47 >Kami and Nail were just chilling inside with some mojitos And a pool table!

Gogeta is more like Goku obviously because of the victories.

Maybe when they fuse using the potara, their true essence is held in the earings, but the abilities are combined into a new body. Which would also give the potential for them splitting, since they'd each be in a different earing. And with the dance, I think again it's a combination of abilities and they are just a magical new form.

Goku : "🎶Do you think you're better off alone? 🎵"

I wanna say this somwhere and this vid may be my best shot. I absolutely ADORE how the big bang kamehameha looked in GT originally, I wish games kept it like that. In GT it felt like a literal wave, like water. A wave that would wash away all who stand before it. (regardless of Omega somehow surviving it) unfortunately most of the games just turned it into a generic usual beam. The exceptions being B3/IW and Xenoverse 1/2 but even then it doesn't feel the same as it's usually darker than it was in the show

The biggest thing ignored in the entire Dragon Ball Series was introduced very early with Dragon Ball Z: The Spirit Bomb. The problem with this is, there is a clip where he's getting energy from the planets themselves, etc. What this means is that Goku can pull energy from the sun likely. I don't think people can really put this into perspective. The spirit bomb that was used on Jiren was technically the weakest ever because no one has the power of the sun itself, that's why Cooler was tossed into it. It's such a skipped over topic: "Oh, you can pull random energy from anything living? Did you by chance pull energy from the sun itself...?"

Bro the algo is feeding you to me and I’m with it. My third video of yours now. I’m subbing 👍🏻

22:06 you got to understand a deeper layer of DB to really figure out: goku is a subconscious fighter that can figure things out on the fly and use them but not understanding standing them and have little control over them while vegeta is a conscious fighter that has to understand how something works before he can use it but his understanding gives him greater control over that thing gogeta is the merger of the subconscious and conscious with the subconscious (goku) as that primary/dominate

I wish we would get a casual episode with the fusions. Like celebrating their birthdays. Maybe they could suppress their their power so much that they could extend their time.

👇Gogeta fans

Imo Gogeta is the smartest character in the DB franchise he waste no time in his fights and gets straight to business 💯

Gogeta/vegito content is always a W 🫡🫡

I’m blown away by the level of care you put into this video, can you do one for XGRA

Gotta has always been my preferred fusion. I’m not a fan of SSJ4. Mainly the logic and explanation behind it…..but I’d be a liar if I wasn’t hyped for Gogeta in GT

Love the LOG/ buy’s fury music in the background

See, I think Super Saiyan 4 is essentially what Super Saiyan God is nowadays. A new base form, to be built upon. Narratively, Super Saiyan 4 serves as the proper ancient Saiyan transformation, the legendary Golden Super Oozaru, but with all it's raw power contained in the compact formfactor of the base Saiyan body.

Of course Gogeta is not Vegito. If he was he’d never win his fights.

We need a reanimated fight of vegito… dbs never showed his potential in the anime. I haven’t read that chapter in the manga but I’ve seen him cut merged zamasu hands off with his spirit sword I thought that was cool but it would be nice to see him again…

As a GT hater, (just did not enjoy any of the arcs and character portrayals) SSJ4 Gogeta is just so cool looking. Definitely over 9000 chad level badass. He and Z Broly just have designs that outlive and outclass their own stories.

Ummm yeah about that Goku and Vegeta being equals in SSJ2...they really weren't. Vegeta required a power boost to close the gap between him and Goku and he KNEW that. Without Babidi's power up SSJ2 Goku would have beaten base SSJ2 Vegeta with minimal difficulty. If Vegeta and Goku were REALLY equal in power during the Buu Saga then I don't think Vegeta would have felt the need to get the power up, just by the fact that he DID though just goes to show just how much of a difference in power was between them just by SSJ2 alone, Vegeta didn't even know about SSJ3 yet and he STILL felt like he wasn't good enough.

I'm always gonna be a Vegito simp till the day I die, but SSJ4 Gogeta and the fight against Broly were sick AF.

6:30 This point is completely invalid. When Goku & Vegeta were trying to refuse, Goku admitted to letting the power get to his head which led him to unnecessarily playing around. Yes, Gogeta did end up trying to finish Omega at the end of it, but it wasn’t just a high IQ play where Gogeta was baiting out a particular move from Omega like it was when Super Vegito was doing it to Buu to bait out the absorption.

Good Video.

pure vibes rigth here

Gogeta Gets It Done Killing His Enemies Like, Janempa With The Shining Ball And, Bulma Did Mention SSJ5 Years Ago In, Pride Of The Prince Dragon Ball GT Episode. I Didn't Know There Were 5th Levels Of The Last Remaining Saiyans It's Just Only 4 Levels You Thought Gogeta Fuse SSJ4 Form Was, The Fifth Level Back Then Saiyan Scholar

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It makes sense that fusions can reach higher heights. I mean think about Akira Toriyama’s statement about S cells and how they acquire more as they grow, and fusion being a combination of the best aspects of both individuals. So the fusion as a way higher concentration of S cells. Or maybe that is just my head cannon.😂

When fat Gotenks first defused (unfused?) Goten and Trunks had no idea what happened so is probably the same for Potara fusion, a+b=c not a+b=ab

"you gotta respect this monkey" my honest reaction: HE SAID WHAAAA-

15:20 How to retcon the dumb ending. Zamasu is cut in half, gets slealed in with the mafuba

Vegeta does know how to use ssj3... but refuses to because the ki that is burned in that form.

My head cannon would be fine calling it ssj4 evolution of some sort

I have a question about fusion and i dont know if this was revealed somewhere but what would happen to a fusion where someone would be injured before fusion. For example lets imagine Future Gohan would fuse with future Trunks. Since Gohan has the most powerful body, would the fusion take more from him and Gohanks would only have 1 arm or would the new body have two? And in a reverse case what if a Fusion lost a limb? When it defused would both fighters lose that limb? Would the side of where the peeson fused be the one to lose it or since its considered Magic no one would lose it? And would the fusion of the same two people when fused again still be in that state the next time they fuse if they both came out fine when defused?

1:53 same but for me it was budokai 3 with SS4 Goku, Vegeta and Gogeta seriously the moment you get SS4 Gogeta active unless you’re garbage at the game the match is pretty much over in less than 10 seconds

2:40 the fusion: asks his wives🗿

Fucking Tiencha! How could I forget!

Just to confirm, not only can Goku feel ki while sleeping, he can sense all of the planet so well that when he wakes from his coma he knows everything thats happened and has been watching the whole time, keep in mind the androids have no ki

I think a good way to look at it, would be that ssj4 is the “base” of this level, with Goku and vegeta having black hair, and gogeta being the “ascended saiyan” of the arc, much like grades two and three during cell saga. Not quite ssj2, not quite ssj5, yet still beyond the previous limitations. But yes, also marketing 😂

also ss4 gogeta might have been a little bit more goofy since it was kid goku

ngl a Vegeta spirit bomb would be amazing

I would called SS4 upgrades as Grade 2 and 3 honestly

First, sorry for my bad english, And Second (SPOILERS) well is a DB talk, those are always sure. Now, Goku and Vegeta have knowledge of the other life after the fusion, but mostly the "resent" memories, is more like if you search you will find, but if not well the fusion ends and that's all. Vegito when was form tries to search in his memories what he could use to defeat Majin Buu, to defeat Zamasu, and then use it. That's why in the manga Vegeta knows that Goku is closer to master blue. Vegito didn't use it because he couldn't maintain that concentration that easily, is half Vegeta after all (In the future Vegeta mastered but it took him a while, but at that point Vegito could have use it and is posible that Gogeta use it with Broly). Now there are a lot of techniques that they should know from each other or even being capable to do some of the techniques of the fusions, why not?, because they only know the information. Vegito and Gogeta are new beings, so even if they have the knowledge of Goku and Vegeta and viceversa, is really posible that they don't have neither the power or the body to make it posible. Most techniques need learning (Well Goku literally steals have of them with one sight, but he stopped in Z), and other techniques that they can use they have and equivalent that have more practice after all. An example is the "Ultra Instict", Vegeta could not use it because his form of fighting was not suited, on the other hand "Ultra Ego" is not suited for Goku. (Is possible that if they fuse now, the fusion could only use one or the other because the techniques are really incompatible) Apart from that, a technique or transformation that Vegeta should know how to use is Super Saiyan 3, but is a transformation that needs raw power (Case of Gotenks) or extreme training (After life lets you train without suffering any disadvantage of it after all). And instead of that Vegeta and later Trunks(Manga) just prefer SS2 because it can obtain the same level or superior (MY BULMA). And at this point, SS3 is no longer useful. Something that i can think of is, Vegeta learning in Yardrat, how did he know something there would be useful. Because even if Goku says that there where a lot of techniques, well he only learned one and did not say anything of others. So maybe there is a possibility that Vegeta learns about what more he could learn there from the last fusion but did not go there because it wasn't necessary at first though.

This isn't my original theory- I have read a fanfic writer describe Vegito as possessing more fey quality than Gogeta because of the Kaioshin magic involved with the potara earrings. I can kinda see that in the art. I think canon description has Vegito taller than Gogeta, but in my mind I prefer if Vegito is closer to Vegeta's shorter height and packed frame. I feel like when I look at Gogeta, especially his expression in the final scenes of Fusion Reborn, he does have that more down to earth get things done quality about him, while Vegito has a mischievous quality in his eyes when he first appeared in Z with the red tinge in his hair. Just my own interpretation. As for whether Goku and Vegeta retain each other's memories- I think they do. Maybe in fragments, given the fused time is so short. I think fusion, in both forms, is a very intimate thing. Old Kai had remarked in the anime that if there is a rivalry between the fusees, the fusion is even more powerful. My theory is that when fused, you come to understand your fusion partner even more, there is instant understanding beyond mere words. When separated, you get the two in discord- they argue over whether they should have mercy for their foe or if they should go for a kill, etc. When fused, they are in sync, everything is intentional and purposeful because they don't need to argue, they act as one because of that respect that have built for each other for years. Gogeta's signature move, Stardust Breaker, is a testament to that. It's a move that purifies evil in the foe but does not kill them. It's a compromise between Goku's no kill policy and Vegeta's finish all threats with prejudice philosophy. I have a little theory about why Vegito didn't fare so well against Zamasu. I think given the circumstances, both Goku and Vegeta were in a lot of emotional turmoil. Zamasu is creepy in a way that no other Dragon Ball villain has been. He's taken over Goku's body, not absorbed, like Buu, where the absorbed bodies are still intact inside him and merely being leeched off. Zamasu murdered Goku and took his body. It's an immense violation of mind, body and soul. Vegeta has made comment about that huge disrespect to a Saiyan's hard-earned body. Goku was angered by what Zamasu did to his family after taking over his body. It stands in disturbing contrast to the concept of fusion itself- where two people consent to becoming one in body and mind. I'd like to imagine when Vegito was fighting Zamasu, he could just sense that complete wrongness of Zamasu's being rolling off of him in every blow. When Goku and Vegeta work together, they can do anything they set their minds to. But their fused being cannot understand how something like Zamasu can exist similar to them in form, but in a complete opposite way. Vegito failing against Zamasu is when love falters in front of unimaginable horror.

I have a question When Gogeta was battling Broly he was in Super Saiyan blue evolution or Standard blue? As the colour is different from traditional super Saiyan blue from super

Never subscribed to SS4 Gogeta being a god but you could write it so after Goku received power from Gohan, Goten, Trunks & Pan he started the process of the god ritual then fusing with Vegeta gave the last Saiyans power necessary creating a god ssj4

Imagine if the fusion dance was developed before super saiyan. There never would have been a need for super saiyan transformations.

8:35 Eso sí que tiene esencia (I hope someone understands what I'm referencing)

11:06 what ultra full power super Saiyan 4?

Yea he's pretty strange. Like, why is he the greatest fusion of all by far? Shouldn't there be a competition?

That's not how I act that is how clowns act at the darned circus.

If SS4 gogeta is closer to SS5, imagine if they added god ki to that

that black gogeta super saiyan 4 was random asf

Vegeta in super Saiyan forehead 3

Is there anything you don't think is weird???

Wasn't there an explanation regarding blue? That its the power above a God? Making blue TECHNICALLY ssgb2? And isn't ssj4 base able to keep up with blue thanks to heroes? Making this PERHAPS ssj4-2? It makes sense.. I think

The reason of why SSJ4 Gogeta's hair is red is because it's SSJ4 Vegeta's color scheme but swapped.

Vegito peaked in Z

Ultra Instinct Ego Kaioken Evolution Vegito stomps all

what strange was SSJ4 Vegito have Black hair while SSJ4 Gogeta have red hair

It was coffee flavored

I kinda wished that gogeta was the final fusion in Z. In the time it took them to gather energy for the spirit bomb, they could’ve just did the fusion dance. I know the pride BS, but asking others for help shouldn’t have come before them using whatever they had left to finish the job. Instead of Goku proposing the idea, Vegeta would be the one to actually suggest the technique since he memorized it while they were Vegito and he went through a significant change watching Goku give it his all. They wouldn’t need to be at full power. All Gogeta would need is Super saiyan.

Gogeta looks cooler, but Vegito is stronger. Either way, any time either of them arrive, we win!

I'm just going to start right out the gate I'm more of a Vegito fan I like the overall rawness that Vegito brings to the table. Even though I thought it was lackluster what they did do is character in Dragon Ball super they completely disgraced Vegito. When Vegito by all accounts should knocked fused zamasus lights out. But as far as retaining experience while fused I don't think the concept was even thought of maybe for Piccolo but not so much after that. But yeah and dire situation like to fight with Kid Buu if Vegeta they have knowledge of Super Saiyan 3 after Fusion with Goku deformed Vegito I thank Vegeta with a view Super Saiyan 3. But to be honest if Vegeta did go Super Saiyan 3 against Kid Buu there's just something that tells me that Vegeta may have add a slim chance at defeating Kid Buu on his own Goku wore himself out over time but Vegeta was still fresh empowered up with Super Saiyan 3 I don't think Vegeta would have taken any time with Kid Buu I think you would have wanted to have finished it right then and there. And like Goku told Vegeta he could have defeated Kid Buu but he wanted Vegeta to have his shot at Kid Buu.

Gogetto

I like it... ssj4 should be called primal saiyan and ssj4 gogeta should be primal super saiyan

Gogeta is the best one

8:08 WRONG! GOKULE SOLOS FICTION

They are different but not for marketing purposes, lmao. The difference is that when they are Vegito, Vegetas influence is greater and Gogeta, Goku takes over. Thats why Gogeta has won more fights than Vegito. 😂😂😂

10:10

In Manga Vegito was far stronger than fused zamasu

Gogeta > Vegito

I wish I liked SSJ4 Gojeta as much as others. The fights in GT were just so dull compared to DBZ, I couldn't get into it. And I envy people who can enjoy things for what they are, but when watching GT, there's always this lingering thought in the back of my mind saying "this is basically fan fiction, none of it is real." But why should that matter? Of course none of it is "real," literally none of ANY of it is real! 😅 Yet my weeboo self stifles some of that enjoyment. Still, it's ultimately the fight with Omega Shenron that never did it for me. Looks so cool in still shots, but in motion, I don't like it. Sidenote: I forgot how much I dislike SSJ4 Vegeta, despite loving the look for SS4 Goku. Not sure what it is, but it looks funny to me.

I wish they made super saiyan 4 Cannon the fan boys would die

Says z and thumbnail is ssjb

As long as the two fusers have different power levels the Potara fusion will always be the strongest for being able to fuse without matching levels.

Ssj blue vegeto or should i say failgeto flopped

Gogeta has the most "Get the job done." attitude instead of Vegito. Case in point Goku is what he could be as Gogeta while Vegeta is what he could be as Vegito. Gogeta is my go to guy, the ultimate fused fighter just as mush as Vegito.

and yet people seem to forget gogeta only had red hair to differentiate him from goku, since he looked too much like goku with black hair

Saiyan Scholar calling The Soul Punisher the Stardust Breaker ??? , Let me down down guy , Disappointing , Simply Disappointing ..

What Piccolo, Nail, and Kami did wasn't fusion. It was assimilation. They became part of Piccolo's being.

When GT Gogeta appeared, it was weird for me. His character seemed to be more sarcastic to be more in line with how Vegito was portrayed, but he was a bit too sarcastic, and I'd prefer for him to act more like Z Gogeta to add more of a separation between the two characters. I'd prefer Gogeta being the more serious one who used his strength alone to enrage his foes when he wanted them to do something and Vegito to be the more sarcastic one who came off as arrogant and belittle his foes to enrage them for similar goals. It would just be interesting to explore, but instead, we either speculate what one of them would do in the others place or are told that they're practically the same character.

Gogeta is better. He actually won his 1 fight. Vegito lost badly twice. Im tired of the copium of people saying "he wanted to be absorbed" no his goal was to kill and wish back. This is a show were death hasnt had any meaning since namik.