DBS ruined him soley because he doesn't have his Buu Saga outfit 24/7 (his superior outfit) :]

The vegeta slice of life scenes are some of the best scenes

Vegeta should've: -Been more friendly towards Goku -Gotten over his obsession with chasing Goku -Been more willing to fuse with Goku (GT even got this right by making VEGETA suggest fusing!) They're doing great with him right now; his role as a family man is well executed, and he's more open towards other characters

I dont think super ruined his character even if he accepted his goku is number 1 in the buu saga that does not mean he still cant want to become the strongest.

Vegeta is straight up becoming his own character now... and that's a good thing.

11:55 Can i just say that's dumb? I think dbs actually needs MORE slice of life moments. All action all day gets boring, and S.o.l can be used to inject more s.o.u.l into the characters.

i really miss the Vegeta #1 speech, to be perfectly honest... i do wish it carried over, and he was slightly more chummy

Do a "What if Vegeta never wore the badman shirt?" Pretty sure that'd end with him one tapping the Grand Priest or something.

I was one of the people who believed it ruined Vegeta but after watching this, I can see Im wromg and was bias because Vegeta is my favourite. I now understand that yeah Vegeta is in a good place and he wasnt ruined

BRING BACK WHAT IF THE GINYU FORCE WAS GOOOD PLLLEASSSEEEEE

The way I see it the "you are number one" speech was sarcasm which if I remember the manga correctly it's hinted more towards there with the respectful speech being shown with the most undignified parts of the battle like Goku biting Buu. In Super the Blue Evolved scene is where he realizes he actually had a point when he was saying that speech and fully accepts that Kakarot truly is number one. He still wants to surpass him but he understands that he needs to stop trying to one up him and go his own route if he wants to actually get anywhere.

Personally I dont think dbs really ruined his character. Sure, at the end of z he wasnt really interested in getting stronger than goku but I have a counter argument. At the end fo z vegeta had no conceivable way of getting stronger than goku so he just gave up. In super he had the opportunity to train with beerus and whis, two people who could kill goku with one finger

I think Vegeta's character in Super regressed in some ways, but improved in others. They made Vegeta acknowledge that Goku is number one, but still made him want to surpass him. I understand that Super takes place between the Buu Saga and End of Z so we aren't completely there yet with Vegeta becoming more used to his place in life. I love that Vegeta's role of being a family man is touched upon heavily in Super. Being a better husband to Bulma, being a better father to Trunks and Future Trunks, as well as Vegeta showing his softer side when Bra is born, etc. They gave Vegeta some great comedic moments too, being able to rebound off other characters much better than he was in Z; although I believe that was due to Toriyama wanting Super to rekindle some of the original Dragon Ball feel instead of strictly being like Z. The worst point of Vegeta's character is when he fought Moro, when he said he would drag him down to Hell with him. It's extremely out of place for him to say this at this point in his life. If it was Majin Vegeta saying that to Buu before his sacrifice, then it would have made sense. But Vegeta literally witnessed his own revival with the Dragon Balls because Porunga deemed him a good guy. He's even considered to be a good guy again in Battle of Gods since he was able to participate in the Super Saiyan God with the ritual, something only good hearted Saiyans can do. His comment towards Moro makes absolutely no sense, and it REALLY bothered me. Other than that, Vegeta is alright for the most part. I think Gohan's character suffered the most out of everyone in the Z-Fighters.

The only one who's become a dusty donny is unfortunately Piccolo - Vegeta has levelled up and is a family man not a Kakarot infatuated weakling he's the better character (so far)

Maybe Vegeta should’ve called Goku Baka-rot. That would be funny, I think

Let’s goooooo another Salad Saiyan video

I feel like super continued vegetas character arc while keeping his pride, super shows that he does care about his family, but his pride keeps him from admitting it, and he still wants to be the best, nothing could change that

The Gohan video was the reason I found and subscribed to this channel. Keep up the great content my brother.

1:22 Zorro: damn it not AGAIN!🤧

I mean I do like the Vegeta character in Super, I guessed that it revolves around surpassing Kakarot/Goku and become too much of an obsession. It surprised that he could’ve been better warrior focused a different path to helping other

I'm so early this is the earliest I've ever been

Completely agree. The good outweighs the bad.

I really like these type of videos keep up the good work 👍

They kept having him point at himself while giving him nothing interesting to do.

I’m just already picturing the future with Vegeta as a God of destruction and Goku being his angel. That is gonna be so sick

No and yes. DBZ Vegeta is the best Vegeta BUT in super they’re making him his own character. Not “the guy who only wants to surpass Goku”

Vegeta still seemingly wanting to get stronger than Goku in Super never seemed all that strange to me personally, maybe because I saw his monologue at the end of the Buu arc as more of a change to his core motivation rather than his methods. Before then he was trying to get stronger than Goku because he thought he deserved to be the strongest fighter out there, and was dead-set on correcting that offense to his pride. Afterward Goku remains a good training partner and yardstick for his progress (and he remains grumpy with Kakarot because that's just how he is), but in the end he is now focused on just being the strongest *he* can be. The fact he's getting so many new powers and techniques that Goku doesn't have also helps to show that change in motivation. At this point, besting Goku is a journey, not a destination.

You’re so on point about the solo wins. The Prince of all Saiyans has been done wrong quite a few times. Overall 1v1 fights been no longer in popular Shonen though tbh. It’s takes away from end fights for me personally, everyone gets a hand raised now, I guess teamwork always wins in the end.

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I say they ruined Vegeta in dbs after the "you're number one" speech that Vegeta gave in the boo saga

Hands up if you've had a powerful moment of revelation about yourself and life, only to find that understanding and living based on that revelation isn't always natural or possible, so you revert to how you were prior to that revelation. 😅✋

Love the video

10:31 I like when he said goku used a watered down version of the hakai.😂

In some ways yes, in others no. One of the easiest ways to see this is through his (and Goku’s) outfits. Vegeta’s outfits throughout z had a habit of decreasing the amount of saiyan armor over time going from the full outfit at the start to ending with nothing but the spandex and gloves with a loose fitting muscle shirt. At the very end, we see him drop the saiyan armor completely, opting for a normal earth attire at the tournament. This is symbolic of him becoming less of a pure warrior, and beginning to become more human and caring. Goku’s is less prominent. His is much more focused on his Kanji changing with his master, to him eventually dropping the Kanji, showing that he’s the best. At the end of z, his outfit changes to a blue showing that he is transitioning to his new role and arc as a master to the next generation. Vegeta’s entire arc beforehand was about putting aside his pride to work with others and accept that he isn’t the strongest. Meanwhile Goku’s arc since the Beginning of Z was solely him growing stronger as a fighter. Super had to shoot up the power scale and introduce entire new concepts to keep Goku’s arc going. Vegeta’s arc was completed though, so they had to push him back a bit. The problem with Goku is that he’s become nothing but a sliding power scale with a stagnant character. How many times is he gonna let his guard down and be defeated? I will agree, the problem with Vegeta has been remedied a bit with the latest arc’s focusing less on his pride or need for power and more on his family and redemption.

Toyotaro does a great job giving us bromance Goku and Vegeta are buddies and I love every second of it

What da dog doing

I do prefer the younger Vegeta but he seems more childish and in moro arc it’s odd

What if goku black left goten to die alone after killing everyone else in the timeline where zamasu steals goku's body

What if suggestions: 1. What if Katas (the father of the nameless namekian) went to earth alongside his son? 2. What if King Cold was revived instead of Frieza? 3. What if Tao appeared in the androids saga as part of Gero's army and got upgraded? 4. What if Towa, Mira and Fu appeared in the Buu saga and were under Babidi's command alongside Dabura? 5. What if Cui, Zarbon and Dodoria turned good? 6. What if Tarble and Turles appeared in the saiyan saga? 7. What if Zeno was more mature?

What do you think it would take to make Vegeta more interesting?

it’s not even about “character development”, he just acts so weird. he used to be so badass with his intros and serious demeanor but in DBS he just keeps making a fool of himself, that dance scene made me turn off dbs and never watch it again, compare it something like his humor inside of buu, now that was peak vegeta when he wasnt serious

Hope its a good talk mr salad sir

My friend saw the part of battle of gods where he starts dancing to calm beerus down and immediately swore off super, claiming it ruined Z and Vegetas character forever.

Vegeta didn't back track on anything Having a healthy rivalry against someone is not at all for living for and being obsessed with being stronger than them and doing it by any means weather you have to off innocent people, forget about your family and protecting your friends etc like in Z before he admitted Goku was better

in all honesty dbz was way better than super and to top it off the characters like gohan trunks vegeta goku and piccolo bulma had good character development.

I think the reason Vegeta went back to trying to surpass Goku is because of what happened in Battle Of Gods. For a moment he surpassed Goku. In random with Goku losing to Beerus, I think that’s what relit the flame. It’s him realizing maybe Goku being stronger than him isn’t as set in stone as he thought. Though I think Goku mastering Ultra Instinct put him back into the mindset of Goku being Number 1.

The regression in his character bothered me of course but there were some standout moments that felt in line with his Buu arc characterization, like him dancing for Beerus to protect everyone and sending his energy to Goku in the ToP. That said, I really disliked when they basically repeated moments again for the sake of "development" that already happened (which was an issue with multiple characters, such as Piccolo). He did the final explosion again in the tournament of power and it was pretty much the same as the original scene except he didn't die and the heartwarming speech beforehand was gone and replaced with a different one. The Moro arc handled him the best in Super, like you said in the video.

Average Super God Fanboy Vegeta: ima surpass kakaroth aaaaaaaaaaa Average GT Monke Enjoyer Vegeta: I am fine with my life and I wanna get stronger to surpass my limits, not to spite on Kakaroth.

This is why I like vegeta in z and even GT but it’s super it’s like he came back to his android saga counterpart and yes I am a fan of vegeta

Vegeta has been developing for so long and there's still more for him it's fantastic

Agree entirely. Seeing Vegeta doing his own thing and learning different stuff from Goku is always good to see.

what if idea : what if krillin trained with king kai after he got killed in dragon ball

The only Vegeta I've seen was DBS Vegeta, I have no access to viewing Z I only know a general summary of it pieced together by many "what if" videos and KZfaq clips. and despite that he's my favorite character besides Frieza and Beerus.

Your right about him getting a win every once in a while it's just it's like vegeta gets his ass kicked almost every time new villain comes around and your right sometimes it changes but most of the time after vegeta gets beat and Goku comes to save the day that's my problem they could at least make the storyline a bit more interesting

We need what if salad was in db part 5

I would love to see a video about DBS Goku’s character too

I’m honestly liking what Super’s doing with Vegeta recently One of my favorite moments in the Moro arc is when what he said after he saved the namek kid from Moro “I have troubled history with the namekians. I did them untold harm. So I can’t let any more of them perish” You can tell with this line that he feels guilty for what he did to them back In the namek arc and is trying to redeem himself for that

While I don’t really care about the “Vegeta has never beat a main villain argument”, I do agree with the discontent towards the character regression of Vegeta from the Buu saga to Super The Cell saga did have Vegeta claim to not fight anymore, but in a cutscene in the DBZ: Kakarot game, it shows Gohan indirectly reinvigorate his motivation to be stronger. I don’t know if that’s considered canon, but I think it’s something worth acknowledging. However in the Buu saga, Vegeta basically had a separate mini arc within his larger arc over DBZ. He intentionally regressed to his merciless Saiyan Saga personality through being possessed by Babidi. Then ironically, he comes to appreciate his family while a Majin, and giving up his life to protect them (even if it was in vain). And then by fusing with Goku and witnessing goku’s superiority against Kid Buu, he acknowledges it. Even GT did more service to his character than Super really, in terms of keeping to his Buu Saga speech. He no longer strives to surpass Goku, but just get stronger. And even once he finally got on the same level of power as Goku (going ssj4), he’s the one that suggests fusion, showing that he has grown. Now, Super did do a good job in taking his character in a different direction. Keeping a rivalry with Goku without it being 101% hate boners, along with having a (relatively) healthy connection to his family. But it ultimately cheapens the impact of his character growth through (at least) the Buu Saga, if not most of DBZ. For me, Super didn’t RUIN Vegeta’s character, but it did cheapen it.

Vegeta NEEDS a kill against a main villain. Not some background help that gives the edge to the main character. This would only further his development and give him some much needed shine. He's been in the same spot forever it seems. They'll give him a power boost, only for him to get annihilated by the main villain so Goku can whip out a new transformation and get the W. The formula is predictable and needs to get mixed up. They gave Gohan a win a couple times, Goku always gets the win in the end, but everyone else is just there. You could effectively write out Vegeta and put in Gohan and the story wouldn't change at all. This is obviously a huge problem with not only the story, but the characters. Everyone that isn't a Saiyan gets the shaft.

Monster Carrot and his gang were ruined... By Master Roshi.

If you look at the Kanzenban ending of Z, Vegeta changed his mind there too. 15ish years before Super. To me, this is more accurate because it's showing why he changed his mind in the end of Z in Super. I feel this is something a lot of people forget when they complain about Vegetas characterization in Super.

Vegeta is close enough in power that giving him a major win is not only possible, but earned for putting up with Goku's shit.

You should do a what if chi chi wanted the son family to train

Are you going do goku any time soon

Vegeta is ruined with the Bingo dance scene, and his failure to make omeletes, its obvious he's getting out of his way to do these stuff, even i he lost his pride, he shouldn't lose his dignity.

Well I agree with you for the most part when you were talking about Vegeta's training method and his backstory yes as well as a few of his attacks but the stuff that he learned on that planet Goku learn instant transmission that's not really extinctively his the earthlings can learn all those techniques too from those aliens all they have to do is show up and put in the time Vegeta is a very unique character I love the fact that he came from being a murderer to now being a great family man but he still has the one key flaw that makes him second place he always lets Goku dictate the terms of everything yes it looks like they're both arguing about who goes first but let's be real go cool a lot smarter than people get on credit for Goku sometimes be letting Vegeta go first just so he can learn what the enemy can do and he make it look like he's disappointed while he letting Vegeta do it and yes and certain situations Goku is a total idiot and Vegeta is smarter than him in those situations but in terms of battle Goku outsmarts Vegeta Goku doesn't have any common sense but he has really good battle sense except for when it comes to finally finishing off the bad guy but I like to think he sees the bigger picture and hopes that there's good in the enemy even when there's none and Vegeta on the other hand whether you been trained against your will brainwashed or tricked into doing something he goes back into his old ways and just tries to kill you💯😓😓😓😓

I love that they've gone with the ultra instinct Goku and GoD Vegeta. The overused Vegeta catching up to Goku on transformations was getting so bland and a waste of a great character

I think Vegeta can still have a rivalry with Goku.

Nah Goku probably had it worse than Vegeta in terms of his character in Dragon Ball Super........

Never even considered that vegeta was ruined. Battle of Gods happened and goku getting ssg gave him a reason to start chasing goku again and opened a new door for the power

I like how Vegetas end goal right now is mostly becoming strong enough to protect earth from any threat.. while goku aims to become the strongest fighter.. if they continue that it would benefit him greatly.. S.o.L. scenes in super were great like i never skip those things since just fighting gets hella boring.. i still want them to travel to u6 bonding with the u6 saiyans and all that...

I gotta disagree. Vegeta is a very different character than he was in Z but it’s not a bad thing. He went from villain to anti-hero to being a straight up hero while still keeping his arrogance and Saiyan pride

Vegeta has been and will always be my favorite

Pls do a What if goku landed at Zeno world (while his father bardock sended baby goku to a world called earth his space pod struck with a black hole and his space pod glitched out of reality somehow and he ends up in Zeno's world as a child still then Zeno asks grand priest what the noise was and grand priest finds goku's space pod then tells zeno and zeno likes the child and told grand priest to train him and you can add other cool stuff on.

Goku was more mature in Z vegeta at the end of z and during gt is much better

Whilst it’s not vegetas show. He, easily bested a FP Moro, saved Universe 11 by eliminating Toppo to stop a 2v1 scenario. Saved the galaxy by draining planet Moros ki to expose the gem. Used forced spirit fission to fuel Goku with divine ki from uub to get the final assist on Moro. And learned Hakai. Not to mention achieving SSG without the ritual. He had incredible suspense built in the Moro arc with his instant transmission return. He’s been slapped around and beat down just as many times as Goku has in the past few arcs in super some thirsty vegeta fans that think he’s the guy need to chill. And is now getting the same mysterious treatment in the granolah arc with past saiyan and cerealian lore something Goku knows nothing of, man is shining Just because he isn’t wrote as the main guy in someone else’s show doesn’t mean he is being done dirty or that the creators hate him.

Interesting already

The one objection I have here is the false equivalency between Goku and Vegeta's performances in Super. ROF: Not only did Goku get the kill on Frieza, he was also the one to get the big fight with him and wore him down, meaning Vegeta was pretty much just doing Goku's dirty work. Universe 6: Sure, he didn't outright beat Hit, but he did get the big fight and he was the main reason Universe 7 won. Zamasu: In both the Anime and Manga he's the one to get the big solo confrontation with Merged Zamasu, even overshadowing Future Trunks in the Manga, and he was the one who was friends with Zeno and had the Zeno Button, so he was responsible for Zamasu's erasure. ToP: Not only did Jiren pretty much just treat him like an appetiser while Goku was the main course, in both the Anime and Manga he wasn't even one of the last three people fighting Jiren, and Goku had the majority of the big climactic fight that wore down and beat him. Broly: Broly knocked away Vegeta with one punch so the majority of the solo fighting was against Goku. Then again I'd say this was the most justified time for this as the focus was more on Broly than Goku. Moro: This was the worst case of them all as Goku was mostly just a side character for most of this arc with no real buildup of him being the one to beat Moro. Much like in the Android saga, Goku wasn't really a major focus and there was more time spent on hyping up Vegeta, and Goku had the jobber loss before Vegeta came in to save him. Unlike in ROF Vegeta even actually does more to defeat Moro than UI Goku did and the whole of chapter 61 was spent with the side characters praising Vegeta as the top dog. Then Moro gets a shitty looking new form that negates everything Vegeta did to win and that's the end of his contributions. They even have Goku get defeated yet again by Moro's ultimate form in a situation that seems perfect for Vegeta to take the win, but nope! Vegeta plays the role of a sidekick and just powers up Goku so he can use a megazord and win anyway. In every single arc of Super, Goku is either the main one responsible for the victory or he beats the enemy outright. While Goku IS meant to be the main character and #1, Vegeta is meant to be his rival, someone who can provide just as good of a challenge as the villains, and yet he's a _distant_ second to Goku to the point where he acted as a sidekick by the end of the Moro arc. Vegeta did deserve a win (especially against Moro and Frieza), so that he actually looks somewhat competitive to Goku. If you want Goku to just be the unchallengeable #1, that's what GT is for as that's the series where Goku's story reaches its end. Super is meant to be the show where there is a sense of competition among a lot of the cast.

I completely agree actually, even though I didn't with everything at the start of the video.

You should do what if Goku landed on planet yardrat

Pls salad pls I need to know more about namekians and your opinion about namekians

The only positive side I like about vegeta in super Is a family Man

Looks shame seeing Vegeta crying ,he should be glad he is the second strongest Saiyan

They did ruin vegeta somewhat because dbz vegeta would have never danced that bingo dance and would never where that maid outfit to clean berrus's place.

When’s what happen when cell won the cell games part 2 it got over 3500 likes

Man this is the only thing I didn’t like abt dbz in total, goku always has some random plot armour around him, like the writer is like, “hey! I think we’re missing someone, oh ye vegeta! Let’s make him 1% stronger and then let’s give goku 5 new forms to match up!” Like vegeta Is always forgotten, he always got second hand forms, (blue and blue 2.0 not counted), like, it was my childhood DREAM, to see vegeta and goku going toe to toe, but nope, goku is always levereged, yes goku is the main charector, but now, there’s a WAY too big power gap, any time vegeta gets close too gokus power, they give goku a thousand new kinds of power, like wtf

Dragon ball super Vegeta is not bad just misunderstood he doesn't fight to be the best or to beat everyone he trains and fights to protect his family and the life he has I really hated the way they handled him before the Moro arc but I started to realise he wasn't the same Vegeta as in the cell or even the Buu saga he just wants to live his best life with his family and protect what's dearest to him

I beg you salad pls do a video about namekians

Toyotoro kinda ruin the end of the moro ark with goku getting another win and having no consequence with the death of merus.

Vageta dbz: you are no.1 Vageta dbs: for now!

Can you do a what if goku was born with ikari?

What if Vegeta kept wearing casual earth clothes?

I still feel like they could’ve gave vegeta some good dubs in super but idk

Yeah that's what keep trying to tell people they say Goku always wins fights and he hasn't won a major fight on his own in a while at least the anime since Frieza.

They helped and hurt him at the same time

I wanna see in anime blue evolution spar agaisnt mui that be dope and then they tran agaisnt beerus

Old vegeta was badass😤

I think gt Vegeta was better written he no longer trains to surpass Goku and become the strongest but rather to see how strong he can become similarly to Goku's modivations to train. And Vegeta calling himself an earthling with the pride of a Saiyan. And wanting to become earths protector with him calling himself earths protector and saying it's now up to him, trunks, Goten, Gohan and pan to keep up the peace after Goku leave with Shenron with Vegeta taking up Goku's mantel as earths protector/champion

I don't think anyone seems to get that Vegeta admitting that Goku is better doesn't mean he's not gonna try and surpass him.

Ur so enjoyable