😂 I was like hey isn’t that $193k.

@@nibabi As a 3rd year engineering student, I can attest that it's equal to anything between 190k and 195k

​@@lynef xD accumulator register overflow

But W salary if he‘s just starting !

Bonus and stock is variable. Maybe he made 191 this year but often gets different amounts

Yep, if your major is gender studies.... it's hard for me to see you making a 160k base salary

You can honestly make this much or more as a software engineer without getting a degree

@@coryortega2050 no. Just don’t

@@ducks-on-quack I mean, I’m a systems engineer making $110k without a degree. And I’ve gotten offers for $140-160k

@@TheBdogup2 yessir. How many yoe do you have? The number of graduates with a degree has increased 47% since 2017 and 143% since 2011. There are more capable people than ever. I’m a cloud engineer heavily involved with the hiring process at my company. Most people without a degree and experience are fine assuming they have good sysadmin experience. Boot camp grads are a dime a dozen and are almost always useless unless you employ them in the exact tech stack they learned during bootcamp. They completely fail to adapt. While a CS degree will typically prepare you fundamentally for most CS related positions. I’ve worked for 7 different companies now, and while I’ll never require a degree, a bootcamp just doesn’t cut it

Yeah but you probably have enough to retire saved. Take a year off, travel, enjoy yourself, and then come back when the recession is ending and jobs are hiring again.

Well it's time to party then wtf

How much were you making prior to being laid off?

15 years of data stuff and then retired 😂

If you have 12 years of SW engineering experience more than likely you got a severance from your last job which should still be covering you for a while.

Housing market is outpacing incomes, so its the reverse. Wages for skilled workers is so high since no one would work in a place which eats up all of your earnings paying cost of living expenses (and even then you'll see cases where new tech people will live in tinyhouses or cars like in the bay area)

​@@greenbrickbox3392 don't know what you're talking about.

@@Medieval1-1 yeah directors of non-profits being treated like CEOs is kind of ridiculous when the rank and file workers there are usually overworked and underpaid compared to other similar jobs. I get there's some skill to managing any large organization and getting funding but I don't see how a lot of those housing/homeless assistance organizations justify those director salaries.

​@@greenbrickbox3392 housing supply is low. Not enough being built around Seattle

Destroyed seattle

That’s insane

rainier square is like 6k a month and it’s one of the most expensive in the city. Seattle has tons of 2 bedrooms for 2800-4k. 1 bedroom right next to Pike Place for $2200. That’s like saying some apartments in New York go for 25k a month.

If it’s brand new building it’s a scam. They do that the 1st year it opens to see if anyone is dumb enough to move in at that rate. 1 year from now it’ll be much cheaper. They do that shit everywhere

@@jake16542 The really ridiculous thing is that it's not even a high-rise! it has an amazing view, but it's only 4 stories tall. Which means another new building will soon be built blocking its view altogether!

​@@coreysacken the fact that you think those are good prices... good fucking god.

I’m a software engineer. I played with computers since I was 10 but didn’t own one till I was 15. No, you don’t need to be a computer whiz. Aptitude and problem solving skills take you a long way. Some of the best software engineers I know aren’t even fast typers. Skills like math do correlate with an aptitude in programming

Nah it's not cost of living isn't comparable the person living in a Midwest on 120k a year would be able to afford to live in a 3/4 bed house with garage and backyard but a person on 200k in nyc can barely afford a 2 bed apartment.

i would be set if i made 120k. i would be able to get a fcking mansion...

That's not a good sign.

In 1999? Good luck 😂

@@steveh5307 careful bro that was awfully convincing😂, I have an uncle who ended up doing software engineering for a while, he then started up his own business and now he makes bank from home. I’ve been contemplating either trying my own thing out whether it be trades etcetera or just biting the bullet and going to friggin school. Shit like this makes me think..

Lol he said he's been doing it for a year so yes he's full of shit. $100k-$140k with his experience makes more sense.

@@yammyking22 no , google , Microsoft , Amazon all start you off at 160 and higher , I work in the industry , you just don’t have a clue

@Loki you named 3 companies lol you're an idiot. I'm betting you're not even in the industry. Trying to act like you know something...🤣🤣

Avoid bad language 👍

Because we have zero benefits

@@anivia3 it was a joke, one that went over your head.

@@anthonywlee3122 I know it was a joke. Obviously neither of us know if he was actually laid off but the implication which is being passed around by a bunch of oblivious people is that salaries are in any way correlated to who gets picked in a layoff

@@anivia3how is it not? You’re telling me that, with 100% certainty, salaries are not taken into account when deciding who gets laid off or not?

@@anthonywlee3122 most tech companies aren't targeting specific developers but rather entire teams and orgs based on their product roadmaps. i.e they're getting rid of projects that they see less value in and realigning their product focuses Either that or other companies or doing "soft layoffs" by increasing the threshold of low performers that they fire Salaries of individual developers wouldn't matter anyway as every level has a fixed pay band. If they were targeting salaries you'd see all the senior engineers, managers, directors etc get laid off before any juniors

​@anivia3 I think that's a bit of a value question. For example, they are not shutting down a project but downsizing it. They want to cut costs for this project by 200k. In this case, they might decide to cut 2 juniors or 1 senior. if project has many seniors, cutting a senior makes more sense. if there is 1 senior and 10 juniors, nobody will cut the main decision maker. So salaries do play a role. They are what determines the cost of the project

What does that mean?

And everybody else in Seattle

@@ChessieChess Boring robot

@@nakedholeratprobably more enjoyable than your broke ass

@@ChessieChess Dry personality

And groceries are hella expensive and to top it off a stupid High sales tax

“Tabs” 😂 obviously someone from WA

@@Eric-kz9bk Wym

​@@Eric-kz9bk I guess your right because ive never heard of tabs. In tx we call em tags

The DMV website literally calls them tabs.

Yeah it has to be a FAANG company

That’s why there’s a shortage and mid career teachers are leaving in droves. Even those that love it long term realize it’s not worth the stress and there’s no money - never was and especially not now. The statement: “you do it for the outcome and not the income” doesn’t pay your bills or provide for your family or help buy a home.

Yeah, watch out for the engineers…

It's OK during the day.

Just don't be a bitch 😂

What are technical project managers making?

@@RealEstateClub- depends on the company. Some companies put them on engineer pay scale and others don’t.

Only in FAANG. For those of us working at small to medium sized companies that is far from normal.

You really didn't listen when he mentioned his 1 year exp.

But Seattle is a dumpster fire

How long? I think this guy probably been coding since he was 5

@@ecmz96 that's not how that works

​@@steveh5307 no you absolutely cannot go to 200k with just a college degree. You either gotta be really good at top 1% of all software developers to starting hitting thay high immediately. You clearly aren't in this field

you have to factor in cost of living. Seattle, SF, NYC etc are tech hubs with high rents. 190k in Seattle is like making 130k in Atlanta.

@@jaclrossrick6327 just a data point,but I dropped out and make over 200k with about 3 years exp. So it’s totally possible :)

Yeah that wage is insane in most parts of the country but just guarantees you'll be able to rent a decent place in Seattle and maybe in a few years make a down-payment for a house 30 minutes outside the city.

As a software engineer living in Seattle, this salary is way more then you need to live in Seattle. Yeah, it's expensive. But 191k a year is still a LOT of fucking money.

191k is insane anywhere. I think we are all just jealous and want to rationalize it

Are they still hiring 😅

That's really good for a data analyst! What industry?

@@o0laieta0o financial advisory

@@davidyolchuyev2905 oh that makes sense

Congrats! My husband just got a new fully remote job as a software engineer making the same. I’m a weather observer so I have to be on site. I’m jealous.

No, it's the fault of Land Management for not allowing property development. There is a lot of undeveloped land east of Seattle.

Yeah just turn every open space in the US into Ghana 🤡

Um, hate to break it to you a 190k is not rich definitely not for a software engineer.

@@originalDVJ did you know that 173k is enough to put you to the top 10% earners in America? I would think out-earning 90% of people is rich.

Make better life choices buddy.

After three year they can make 400K

​@@a.s.631 Bro send me 5k man wtf!!

Haha he probably doesn’t even know he makes a lot of money. I know these Asian and Indian guys don’t.

That's pretty typical for software engineers. They are typically pretty understated introverts.

TBH these high salaries will not last forever. For one, the market is being oversaturated with people who don't care about the field and are just trying to make a lot of money. Two, because of the recent tech layoffs, companies (hopefully) will learn their lesson after thinking that hiring as many software engineers as possible was a good way to grow the company. These salaries will eventually drop (possibly lower than what the average nurse makes now).

Lmao should have been a doctor if u care about money doctors get paided more than double than u for working way less get fucked

@@pharma37 what do you do?

Move. My bestie makes 85 with ICU and Ear exp (7yrs)

Amennn

Im sure you already know how to sit in a chair and do nothing

@@TR-sg9jc i am doing that ,where is my 191k?

​@@TR-sg9jcThank you for reminding people why education is important

Trust me, as someone with 5 years in the game 191K isn't the norm. Most jobs are well below 100k, especially for 1 yr experience.

No Bro chatgpt will replace

You know him? 😂 maybe he does like it

@@Atlas92936 good one

Ahhh Seattle, I live right across the water a 30 min ferry ride for free. Get to enjoy the forest and the city in one. Look into kitsap county it’s about half as expensive. Still expensive regardless with a median home price of 500k. Dad got in our house for 100k now it’s worth 550 living pretty aight. Come thru my boy

@@Eli-wu9zu haven’t heard of kitsap county before, I’ll see what’s up. Love the islands nd shi across the water though, thanks for sharing homie.

@@Eli-wu9zu kitsap is where it's at. I used to enjoy taking the ferry to seattle a couple times a year for games and such but it's almost always a shitty experience now when I end up over there. I'd rather go in the woods than the city anyway lol

@@chaziztheman I agree

bro dont im moving out in a few days to arizona this place is the biggest shithole in the entire country just move to san francisco its pretty much the exact same except at least its sunny sometimes

There’s a trade off tho. A lot of time is spent becoming a good coder. A comp Sci degree helps but what makes you a good coder is practicing in your free time. The commitment is incredibly arduous but the payoff is great

Programming Is dead

@@disagiato9391very much alive

Definitely has a degree, and his experience could be longer than a year. He may have only been writing code for a year but could’ve had internships or other job previously as well he said he’s been engineering a year. This definitely doesn’t give us the whole picture

@@TheAwesomeness1123How did you determine he has a degree?

Oversaturated market and its collapsing now.

Please do an indeed job search to get a realistic salary range first. 191K is anything but the average.

It's Amazon 🤣

@@stevenwang2212 yup😂

@@stevenwang2212 how u know?

@@EzeAsuoha It's well known in the industry that Amazon has a "back loaded" vesting schedule for stocks -- which means you receive 5/15/40/40% of your stock compensation over four years. He only gets paid 5k in stocks, so he's still within the first year of joining Amazon. His base salary is as high as you can be for his level though.

Seattle is a shitehole run by criminals. Ya, I live outside Seattle and refuse to go there for anything.

I live in a small affordablel town across the bay. I would never live in Seattle even if I could afford it. It has changed especially since Antifa and BLM ruined it and the homeless issue along with drugs increased. I used to go there for games or fun. Not anymore.

Seattle’s amazing

@@thebrightestdevotedfly7632 it was better before the Eastside turned into Mumbai india

​@VishyTheFishy Interviews then you are blind.

@@marshalljohnson8117 have you been?

@@agawied2910 I live in Seattle.

Yeah Seattles insane. Fuck that place. If you go there watch your step, you might step in human shit on the sidewalk or a heroin/fentanyl needle

Petty theft starts to make more sense when all the people around you are overpaid assholes...

Slim chance

Even if you get laid off another company will scoop you up in a week or two. And working remote is a thing so location doesn’t matter

@@L0kias1 If only that were true. The tech recession we're in is very real right now. I have many, talent tech friends out of work.

Cope, unfortunately.

Programming is ALWAYS useful and marketable skillset

🥳🤩🥰

Its worth going to hidden spots of Seattle 🤠

@@RoshanHalwai like where?

@@Creoles.nature The Seattle Secret Beach at end of 39th Ave and E.Harrison near Denny Blaine Park. Wanna enjoy the stunning view with someone special 🤩🎉🥳?

@@RoshanHalwai I might pop up there one of these Sundays but be warned I'm 5'11

It's not true. LoL. Just a vid bud

@@koalaed9607no that’s pretty standard. I live in Seattle. Not a SWE, just a student, but I know entry level software engineers making $200k

He’s lying

because he sucks.

​@@dhananjaysguitarcovers9296 hes not lying. Even smaller companies like palantir could offer over 150usd for fresh out of school grads

I live in Seattle, and yes they certainly do.

Your best friend needs to find a new job asap

😄

As a senior engineer I can tell you he's probably not. I didn't know what I was doing for years

That’s the starting salary around here. A partner makes around $700K a year. Ask me how I know.

Nope. Some new grads make over $200k with very little experience.

(Of course, now you understand why there’s so many layoffs in tech)

@@KevinRedmondWA how do you know?

What’s typical

@@JamminWithJer - not six figures for no experience.

@@JamminWithJer no that’s not topical at all unless you start as a l3 at a large company

Not for those in faang

Hey, I thought about my work constantly for 42 years. I missed out on a lot in life.

are you a software engineer @@jamillikan

@@yashrajdixit4412 Does that matter???

Amazon & Meta yea. Microsoft No outside of Teams and Azure. Google No outside of GCP and specific teams.

Is it though? It’s quite nice

Oh look, a broke person praying on a successful persons demise. How original

nah, its mostly HR and peripheral roles that got fired.

​@@2011hwalker 😂😂😂😂 really bro??? Go check the stats again. And if you're unable to then please come back ask me. HR is the last profession to get laid they already are very few HRs in an organisation. Software Engineering is highest layoff category m

In 2-3 years he’ll be making that

software engineers havent been massively affected, look closely at the layoffs and its generally recruiters and HR that got trimmed.

​@@2011hwalker broooooo you're really but hurt, please do some research my mannnn😂😂😂😂

1. Software profit margins 2. Supply and demand of talent which probably won’t last forever as more people start learning coding earlier and earlier

​@@TheElsManI've heard the second point since the 2000s, trust me the salaries never go down

Work 5 years and then retire?

😂😂

Same. Horrible 😅😅😅

Seattles amazing

He’ll get the real image soon, been here for 18 years and it’s about time to pack my shit up and head to a state with less people 😂

No one cares where you live

Stay poor I guess

dude I make the same amount as a SWE with a CS degree but you can still get into tech with a different major. $13k/m sounds like a lot but it's not that absurd once you make it. I have a cousin who works as a technician in a power plant who makes the exact same and far less stressful