It feels like the biggest issues that this ship suffers from are from legacy designing; it's as if they just picked up the original in-progress work for the interior with the living quarters and engineering/component locations and just dropped them in without any regard for touching them up to modern standards for the game. As a result, the ship looks really good on the outside and on the newer interior areas, but the quality just deviates so much for no reason...the exit label for the door took the cake on this bit.

I love how morph doesn't pick up on the fact that the shield generator on the front is technically supposed to be there. The ships splits into two sections. One sheild Gen in the front and one in the back.

I think very large components Chris mentioned you need to take the ship in to a maintenance facility and they will swap them over for you because it would require extra work like cutting things open, which is a bit silly. So it probably just means you dock your ship somewhere and have to wait for NPCs to perform magic. Especially with size 4 components and above.

The pure devastation at the end of the review haha!

@kinoshasecurity5515 The front shield generator and main computer components are in the front of the ship, so that is the middle or rear of the ship is damaged, the bridge will still function. It doesn't make sense to put those components in the back. Remember, localized damage is on the way, and all the components, and relays will be simulated, so local damage disables systems in that area of the ship. you don't want your FRONT shields to go down when the BACK of you ship is damaged.

As someone who's gotten trapped in the rear hanger of my reclaimer when the elevator bugged out more than a few times, I'm so happy the Hull-C has a ladder in the engineering bay.

if star citizen was a realistic space game, hull C should be one of the fastest ships without cargo.

One thing I noticed on this ship is that it seems like they built multiple relay ports into different areas (next to the ladder at 24:14 or next to the door at 25:19 for example), where you would place and replace relay modules for engineering like we saw on ISC/SCL a few months back. Very cool hint at possible progress on that gameplay loop.

The Hull D carries 20,736 SCU. That is an astronomical amount of cargo that could swamp a market in a system. The Hull E is 98,304 SCU. An org would have to do hundreds of salvage and mining missions to get close to filling it up. There is normally only one in even mega corp fleets. They could and will affect the markets of planets, even systems. Maybe not ones like Sol or Terra, but most systems.

the largest modern cargo ships can carry up to 24,000 TEU (those big red metal crates) each of which holds 33 meters cubed. thats about 792,000 meters cubed of volume. each SCU is stated to be bout 1.95 meters cubed, meaning the hull e (with its 98,000 capacity) can carry 191,000 meters cubed. a fraction of what modern cargo ships can carry. so yeah i dont think a single Hull-E will have any major impact on an entire city let alone planet (arcorp supposedly has a population of 2 trilllion...)

My favorite part is while Morph is specifically talking about how they physically modeled it to work “realistically” the geometry clips through itself to allow the folding to work!

I've suggested in "Game Ideas", they study how shipping centers/harbors move cargo containers from ship to trailer, train or another ship and how a RAFT (with 6 containers), Mass tractor beams, etc... may get utilized? ;-) There's one profession that should be introduced when cargo handling gets really involved, and that is "Cargo Master", who's responsibility is to make sure that cargo for specific locations is loaded or unloaded in a way that is efficient and doesn't disturb the balance of the vessel thus preventing overheating, overloading thrusters?

StarCitizen: "Hey buy this ship with real money because its really cool and fun to fly" Star Atlas: "Hey buy this ship because you might be able to re-sell it in the future"

OMG I laughed so much with the Living Quarters issues 😆 best part of the video hands down 😆

I love the Hull C and pretty happy with the job CIG have done with him !

I admire that even though they paid Morph (I suspect in crypto rather than cash) he did not become a shill for them.

It really reframes Morph's recent sour feelings regarding the SC project he was once so positive about overall.

I can confirm that having architects involved in the design process of a videogame makes it much easier and much better.

They need a "truckers" bay to reduce the time running around from ship to console and back also to free up ports for non trucking types. I know I am asking for a lot right now

Weapons locker makes sense where it is, because you store the multitool and the big coming handhheld tractorbeam gun in a weaponrack like any weapon

8:09 I was not prepared for that 😂

it had one 2X2 S3 turret at the front like it dose now and three 2x2 S2 remote turrets. i like that they made the front one pilot controlled but it only has one turret control for the other two like the star lifter which really lowers the ships expected defensive fire power, which really sucks because with all the line of sight blocking when you have the cargo loaded its going to be almost useless, they should slave the turrets to one firing control.

that's one way to tell the community what happened. story was that there were only 2 artists assigned to BMM, if he was/is working with an artist or "artists", then yeah, one or both went to the SA team. somehow i doubt their 5 years plans involve ping-ponging between companies either. hopefully Citcon has some good news. weren't security decks supposed to be in this update?

I believe it was more the CIG concept artists and not development engineers that went to star atlas but I could be wrong.

@14:00 You make a great point here. Here on planet earth we transport something like 11 billion tonnes by ship each year with an additional 60 million tonnes or so shipped by air freight. I'm not sure if CIG have ever said anything about defining what an SCU actually is, but in game they look very similar in size to one of those pallet sized IBC liquid containers that hold 1 tonne of water. 4600 SCU sounds like a lot, but when you consider that the average container ship here on Earth could carry around 450,000 IBCs, it really isn't. Obviously all this theorising depends on how many people live in the various star systems in SC, but it's not unreasonable to suggest that even hundreds of players flying between planets in their Hull Cs shouldn't be making much of an impact on the economy unless they are hauling extremely rare and valuable commodities.

Even with the time they spent designing it to be "realistic", it still clips through itself and the mechanics of the arms don't actually work. You couldn't build it irl like they have it. Morph is an architect and aesthetically focused, I'm an engineer and mechanically focused. While a lot of SC ships have cool, somewhat realistic mechanics, this ship still breaks that a bit.

Perhaps the reason for low details in habitat area is that players rarely, if ever, go up there. I owned Starfarer for about a year and I just didn't have any reason to go up there.

Wouldn't the shield generator fit perfectly opposite of the battery compartment infront of the engineers escape pod? It feels like such a lazy job to just slap it into the front corridor next to the bridge and call it a day, aside from being quiet literally the furthest away possible location from the engieering post.

in one of the more recent citcon presentations they mention large swaths of ship artists leaving; it really shows here... scary

So with morph consulting on ships for SA does that they all come pre-nerfed? 🤔

it didn't need to be a tube; it could have been an extending floor panels with Rails, both to the side and above as an extending frame that provides the ability to see all the cargo outside and go through two airlocks... which would add to the thematics and game play, I think this would have been cooler. Also don't like there isn't an elevator to the habitat. I totally agree with his comment regarding the galley and Bed areas.. table and bench could have also been embedded into the floor and comes up when required... what would have been cool is a flip table which becomes a ping pong table when the benches are in the floor.. Wished Captain ship doubles up as a pilots seet or provides other functions like docking... aso couldnt agree more pipes Pah!

I wanna say something thats gonna get all the hull C owners mad, But sorry. If you you shoot the docking collar door open, you will notice that the gravity gen door is in view from a 45 degree angle and as soon as you shoot that in the future, all the cargo will just fall off plus if you emp it will fall off. Now for something the hull C owners will like. You can use the cargo grids as a space net, Thats what this ship is actually for if ya think about it. Ships drag nets to CATCH there GOODS. Also you can store small ships with turret or land vehicles with turret a have a FLYING FORTRESS!!! Also,Any big youtubers out there, Can you do a video on My space net concept and give credits to me?

The Hull-E carries as much as over 146 C2s. That would *definitely* be enough to upset a system, if they're just using it to trade around one system...but part of the idea of Quanta is also that there just shouldn't be enough resources for someone to even utilize that much carrying capacity. Then again, this is all theoretical since we don't live in 2083 and we have no idea how things will work at launch.

Are we going to use the 3 shells in the future?.... Demolition Man, a must watched

MISC ships look like something out of the 60s show 'Lost in Space', on the outside at least.

The fact you can blow off the spindels is amazing. Piracy Wet Dream. Now all we need is the SRV to tow it away for a quick getaway.

Also - the reason that tube is just a tube is actually one the *the only* things they did right in this design. While the spindle itself is ridiculous and never a design anyone would actually clear for production - The fact that they didn't include windows in the spindle is, if you're going to use one, good. That spindle is a load-point for the cargo. The windows represent weak points in that spindle design that, due to material differences, flex/bend and or have differing stress-load capacities than the steel around them. From an engineering point - you'd want that all to be consistent so that the load coming on to those racks from manuevering would encounter similar material responses across the spindle to maintain integrity. Also with that being a pressurized tube for traversal, you definitely want it with no weak points. Now if only they understood that same concept for the overall design of the ship's form - we'd be going somewhere.

Afaik, people who worked on the BMM went to UBI with Paul

30:47 crew rooms without any windows? Big mistake here.

the game tries to achieve some king of logical realism in a fictional world, so they try to get a limited realism and functional sense, some kind of compromise between what would it look like in a real world and videogame. Now image how technically would you achieve having windows in that tube, when the whole corridor expands. Can windows expand? The system they used is the same that is used in the long trolleybuses. Which makes me think that Morpho is a design architect and doesn't think much or not at all about technical performance, reliability and other stuff. I find it a bit frustrating that people are looking for a "wow" effect in places where there can't be one. It is "wow" it the way the ship expands, but you can't place windows where you can't have them.

my biggest complain for star citizen is ships dont have enough damn windows

Wait. I just realized. I own a Hull D and the Hull C already transports like 4608 SCU and is quite large. I think I just realized that I'm gonna be a very happy space trucker girl... 😮

From one scam, to another scammier scam...... that definitely makes me uncomfortable.

I think it ok to be released so that it can be used for cargo testing, but they need to rework that interior.

A Hull-E with its 96000 scu would only be like 3 of the largest containerships on earth so even tho its a lot of containers they wont do much in the big picture of economy. Hopefully they will make that part more real when they impliment the dynamic economysystem. It would be very unrealistic if one Hull-C make commodity prices drop of dramatically.

It would be pretty cool if the spindle was a catwalk with all the rigging to support the cargo

By extension - an architect is not a shipwright, and one of my constant peeves in SC is how - IF they did actually get consultation from an architect - it was not a shipwright or ship engineer. The Hull C is a prime example. Designing something that could land, but which is never intended too, is a bad starting point for a design. Further, you would never, in any ship design, have cargo attached to such a structurally weak and easily compromised structure such as those winged hard racks. A more appropriate design would be the Star Wars' cargo container from the escape from Hoth. That has its own problems, but cargo-to-ship's-size ratio si more correct. The Hull C has a miniscule amount of cargo space for such a lot of points of failure of engineering. If just one of those folding parts of the central spindle fail, you're out of a hauling job. From an industry stand point, if this was a real universe, you'd never get that past the design floor. There are too many fallible points of that design. Any look at modern cargo ships will give you better design ideas that are more immersive and interesting, and grounded in references that we recognize, can logic through, and build immersion from. From someone who's worked on cargo ships, tallships, and in/out of Ports, shipping terminals and other such spots for my career - The biggest chuckle was when he talked about how much they 'actually engineered' the mechanisms to deploy. They spent years on a mechanic that, if you're using the ship correctly, you'll never use. You deploy it once. They could have put the ship out much sooner, with much more of a believable form, without that. The folding structure is just a ridiculous premise for any long-haul industrial build that needs to be reliable. What they really need to do is consult anyone who's ever worked on a real cargo ship, in their cargo-ambitious designs. Not a single Star Citizen ship makes logical sense for the universe they're building. :/

Personally, I love the chrome surface of MISC ships. For the Freelancers, there is also a black paint available in game (sold at A18) which looks awesome imo. Edit: Didn't the original concept have a stairway, comparable to the 400i? The elevator might be more practical in terms of gameplay, since the Hull-C will operate in zero g most of the time, but I really liked that part. Edit 2: The Cutter has these very small windows in the cargo hold, something like that in the spindle would have been amazing. But I think it's purely a performance issue, my guess is that they don't want the windows in these places because then they would have to render a lot more at the same time.

Proto molecule cracked me up. Listening to book 2 of the expanse right bow

@ 14:00 you should see how much food is shipped on board a cruise ship for 1 week. it's fucking nuts. a whole planet would go through it in like 5 seconds

CIGs visual story telling is top notch

Love the salty content and love morph video, but you all should be aware any architect opnion only matter when it comes to a very specific type of buildings and structures, What CIG done to Hull C is great, it would be very stupid to make it into some architectural master piece, that works when you are dealing with a small design and resources, all the flaws Morph pointings out those are actualy things that make Hull C feels like a real space truck. I am glad Morph isnt doing ship designs for SC.

Yeah you can shoot those off. With an arrow in a single pass. I'd say I'm disappointed, but this is just what I've come to expect from CIG. The pirates are going to fucking love it.

38:30 Exactly. CIG is notorious for sticking things in and then just shrugging their shoulders saying.. "It's a multi crew ship". Well.. ok.. but until you actually allow the Co-pilot to actually DO SOMETHING I sit here unconvinced of your sincerity. The Captain's chair is the same. What I want to see in that damn captain's chair is a friggin TRADING CONSOLE! I mean FFS... who owns the ship? Does the Captain own it? Does the Helmsmen own it? Did CIG not spend even a MOMENT thinking about that? The answer to that question is, of course, no. No they did not. If they had then they wouldn't have released the ship in such a way that if the pilot isn't flying the ship... the owner/co-pilot has to keep standing up to do EVERYTHING. Want the doors to the hangar open? Owner has to sit at the helm to do that. Buy.. sell.. can't do it with anyone on the ship. Need to quantum jump? Well the owner needs to stand up because if they are sitting even the quantum markers go away. So I want to see CIG take a MUCH more broad approach to multi-crew ships and get their f-ing fingers off the scale. It seems that every time someone does something that CIG didn't intend... like the owner of a ship calling and opening the hangar doors from the ASOP terminal.. they quash it. Even if it makes sense. They really do need to knock that $#!+ off. Anyway.. great video. Very funny to see your opinion altered with the "I can't unsee this". I need to do some videos of these ships from an industrial/process engineering and design standpoint. Cause there are sooooo many things that just drive me nutz. Anyway.. great video. Thanks for covering this. I actually pulled out popcorn at the start of it. Edit: 41:35 I think it might have been the reverse. You have an entire team working on a major design element, not only for a near capital size ship but for an entire design language... and then you suddenly tell them... "Hey guys.. we are going to put a pin in this thing so you can all work on Squadron 42". So I think it may have been the case that those folk just decided to go do something else.

Glad I'm not the only one that walks through a new ship and thinks it's amazing, then watches Morphologist and thinks, "My ship is hideous!"

Paradox of a person

Remind me never to buy SaltEMikes lemon house at auction 🤣

MISC: ugly on the outside. Drake: ugly on the inside.

Hahaha Morph doesn't know how the 3 seashells work

he's the expert with his own design preference, i'm glad that is, because we wouldn't want all same stuff, this light not above table is to me no big deal, it's not kitchen just sitting table and i see plenty to eat with light only behind flat TV, but him as an architect he more likely account better for importance

Hey CIG, Let me finish the merchantman...

I always assumed that the Hull C has an industrial kitchen with an industrial extraction system for making things like authentic kebabs and curries which any budding industrialite would eat as standard. And it was necessary in the living quarters because of what happens after you eat that sort of stuff. I was surprised that there wasn’t a huge gold pipe in the head to be honest 🤢

Hot take i enjoy that alot of the ships have weird design choices that dont make much sense. Its kinda like how cars work today for the most part. By trying to be unique they have weird quirks and aesthetic design that doesnt make a whole lot of sense sometimes.

Who wants to sleep near a kitchen where people are making a bunch of noise and eating cheerios

same as you never likked the shiny body work paint red blue anything colour then chrome.

Lol pipe guy got called out

He didn't ruin anything for me. I will A2 him whenever I see him now :)

The Hull C(ock) is just perfect 😆

This was hilarious. I reacted the same way to it all. And I can’t even go in the living quarters anymore lol. And I wouldn’t even mind but the actual cargo transfer mechanics are so unreliable - Im sticking to my C2 until they fix it. But isn’t that typical of CIG though? Their major cargo patch with their biggest ever hauler, and it doesn’t even work half the time lol. There’s only 4 locations you can trade at and they barely have any stock of the few commodities you can trade in between those locations. Why doesn’t the market support the ship? Why was it released in this state? Oh and they put the price up to $500 lol. It just makes no sense.

Imagine you live in 3000 ad and use dead trees carcasses to wipe your ass.

CIG the OG cryptro bros they made 600,000 million appear out of thin air.

The hammerheads gap windows for me

A Captain's chair, but no Captain's Cabin??

The mole has the best kitchen

Banu Merchant Man to appear on Star Atlas first! LoL

3 seashells is the future

I dont like the timesink when trading with the C

Morph doesn't know about the shells ;)

Matte Black, huh? Hull-BBC

Toilet paper, Morph? Nah. Sea shells...

I think some of the guys that put this ship together used to work for Drake. Plus, wtf CiG? Why do you continue to put toilets near kitchens? Just what I need - trying to eat my veggie MRE and having to to smell the fricking engineer getting rid of his veggie MRE…

An architect for ships? I thought engineering was the go to ..

I really wanted to give this game another go so i downloaded it last week to try it again. I still died walking out of an outpost on clio because i didnt crouch going out the door.

🤔 ooooh

That ship design just seems to be dumb to me and so wrong for space bulk cargo hauling. If you want a giant bulk hauler why isn't it just a box at the front where the crew lives and is piloted from, a frame running down the middle where the cargo is attached and a tube running down connecting it to a big giant engine arry? I keep looking at the ship (14:15 timestamp) and there is just so much wasted space. Why don't the cargo pads rotate flat and extend out along the sides of the ship? that would increase the cargo capacity and keep the ship profile slimmer, you could even add another 4 pads making it more of a hexagon form. There is also all the stresses that the middle section would take, and the amount of reinforcement that would need, this whole ship does not make sense to me.

Get burned pipe guy 😂

Salty are you ready to Watch formula 1 in Singapore ?

I love and hate this ship. It's new and different and cool but it's also old and not laid out well and they spent all these man hours getting this in game yet they modeled it several years ago and put zero effort into fixing the problems of yesteryear while they were working on it. This ship has the interior parts that is hated on the starfarer, door after door after door with silver panel after silver panel it's just... Not good and then that last little bit that would have been a cool factor they took out, the overlook section on the outside of engineering where you walk out the door onto a platform... That's gone 😢.

Consider that 95% of NFTs values have been reduced to zero... Thanks Morph!

Captain is my favorite job! You know how to do everything. But you don't do anything!

Cargo is ONLY possible IN SPACE ...Massive engines to push all the weight ...Space HAS no weight ...

Yummy

Sounds like you need to consult Morph next time to buy a house

Who gives a shit what MorphIHateA2’s thinks……He’s too pickled by Star Atlas lol

Would a racing version of the Hull C need a 'ribbed' exterior? LoL

Sorry Mike but luckily you are NOT the architect here!🤪

I am not understanding why Morph consulting with a different company (when he doesn't officially consult with CIG, just as a hobby) would lower his standing in your eyes. That seems petty.

I like Morph but I am REALLY bummed that he worked for Star Atlas, this crypto NFT scam. If you work of your own free will for something like that, you have no self-respect.

Morph is in some ways kinda like CIG's own John Carmack, offering experienced advice.

There’s nothing like a bunch of clueless gamers hating on crypto and NFT related games, while at the same time owning digital assets through CIG and having no idea what the underlying tech enables or means.