We don't want our daughter to accidentally become a decent human being.

Did this guy say that 80% of teens that come out as gay stop being gay in their 20s? This is probably the most obvious lie I've ever heard...

Good God….My six year-old son saw two gay men holding hands recently while we drove through a rather large down town area. He asked why they were holding hands. I explained the situation. He said, “Oh, ok,” and that was the end of it. Kids honestly don’t give a shit until stupid parents make a big deal out of something.

Imagine being so fragile that seeing a woman put her arm around another woman triggers you.

"Christianity is a choice." That is such a great argument.

"I wouldn't use the term illegal but I don't think gay marriage should be allowed" LOL

I love it when he says that single mothers should not get some tax benefits on account that children are more successful if they are raised by both parents. So, in order to punish these wayward sinful women he has no compunction on cutting the income of already disadvantaged children. I don't think this guy is _that_ concerned about the well-being of children _at all_ .

I was 8 or 9 years old when I first heard the word "gay" and saw gay people on TV. I asked my parents what gay meant and they simply said " you know how we love each other? Well, gay is the same thing except it's two boys or two girls instead" And that was it. It didn't shatter my brain, it didn't confuse me. I understood, immediately. And now I'm not a homophobic bigot and I'm so thankful for that.

That part about not giving tax benefits to single parents was disgusting and cruel. Not only that but isn't it like throwing another obstacle for single parents on top of being single that straight non-single parents don't have to deal with on top of being part of having two parents they get a bonus for that? While the single parent has to suffer alone financially with out a bonus to help them out? Seriously these Religious zealots are all about suffering and punishing people needlessly.

I was born gay. As far back as I can remember I was attracted to the same sex. People like this guy have made my life so difficult.

Religious bigotry at its finest. The logical fallacy of the caller is just painful to listen to. It's funny how it took him the entire segment to come out and say that he just believed that gay marriage is morally wrong. So in essence, everything else he was saying was just a way to justify his own belief without actually admitting to a deep rooted idea of it being just wrong on a religious basis, which by definition would be illogical on an objective point of view.

"The parts don't fit" - Caller in regards to gay relationships As a lesbian, I can confirm there are parts that fit. Some of them you can even take on and off at will!

Keeping your children ignorant is a full time job.

Sam, this gay man would like to thank you for bearing the torch defending my rights with this clearly ignorant man. In addition, I have to commend your patience in dealing with his outright ignorance; more power to you. I can't help but wonder why he finds your being Jewish, and your instilling Jewish traditions in your children, so hilarious. I want to end my comments with my observation, while listening to Austin Ruse, regarding his style of expressing himself. He sounds remarkably like Marcus Bachmann, if you catch my drift. My thoughts are echoed by the comment immediately before mine, by Jonathan Seale. In a nutshell, Mr. Ruse sounds as gay as a spring frock, or three cans of pink paint. Please give us an update when you hear that he's been caught on his knees in an airport men's room with a hustler named Lance. (As I'm typing, Ruse is making his proclamations regarding alleged "morality". Can I assume that Ruse is aware that in heterosexual unions, practices such as fellatio, cunnilingus, and anal sex occur on a daily basis? And is he aware that these practices are now legal, and do not lead to procreation? )

Austin: Marriage is supposed to be about procreation, with a few exceptions. Me: Why can't gay marriage be one of the exceptions?

When your kids are exposed to the real world, they don’t need an explanation for love. My kids were more mature at 4 than this dude is a grown man

Half the men in the bible have more than 1 wife, so why isn't polygamy legal?

"WE, that is to say heterosexuals," Sure it is.

God forbid you have to actually have a conversation with your child about how the world works and how to be a tolerant person!

My gay son wants to raise children. I support him, 100%. He'll be an amazing father.

Austin is going to a lot of trouble to convince himself he isn't gay

And I thought Sam's Libertarian callers went through logical contortions.

"You're raising your kid Jewish? Ahhhhhh, no kidding. Good for you~~~" "No Christmas trees? Seriously?? That's hilarious!!" "Hey what's so funny about me saying I think most family problems in America are caused by straight people instead of gays but that doesn't mean gays should be allowed to get married? Who's laughing back there??" This guy, is unbelievable.

Allow me to translate his arguement. "This isn't fair. I wanted to get married and be a parent but I had to pretend to be straight. Now, all of the sudden, people get to be gay and get married and have kids. Why should they get to be gay and happy while I'm so deep in the closet, you can smell the mothballs when i fart?" Him and Pence would hit it off.

I tried to talk to my 6-year-old daughter about gay marriage. I said, "You know how Lisa has two dads and Matteo has two dads? Their parents are married just like your mommy and I are married. They're in love like mommy and I are in love." She was coloring at the time. When I'd finished she kept coloring for a bit then dropped her crayon and said, "You're all in love. Blah blah blah. Boring. Can I go outside and play?" I guess she taught me a lesson that day.

Only took 45 minutes of dancing around an indefensible position for him to finally have the balls to be honest and admit try even less defensible justification we all knew he employs in his head. ThTs why you're a bigot, Austin, because you want to limit the rights of another because your interpretation of your special book tells you to.

one of the worst things that happened to me growing up was getting shielded from homosexuality. i have several gay friends, but i kept saying weirdass stuff to them. then, i tried to be more careful with what i say, which leads to me being way too silent. if i ever have kids, i want them to know gay and lesbian adults, so they never struggle with what i can only describe as some kind of disability in social behavior.

So in other words. "We need time to indoctrinate our children to belive what we Want them to believe, so we shield them from any other thought." Yeah, sounds about right.

It seems religious people do not understand or like the concept of freedom. I just don't understand why they always seek to impose their own standard uniformly on the rest of society; its a bit like me saying "i really like blue marbles therefore the only marbles that are allowed are blue" well why? if YOU only like blue marbles then only buy blue marbles, why try and restrict everyone else just based on your preference?

You're against gay marriage? Fine then don't get gay married, simple as that! Also, I wish Sam had brought up the fact that there are so many children (438,000 on any given day) in the foster care system that would love to have ANY combination of parents or parent rather than being raised in the system. I think any reasonable human being would recognize same sex parents are better than being in limbo in the foster care system.

Amazing how so many children in the Catholic Church get to know, against their will about sexual abuse by priests.

My Gay uncle who is married specifically doesn’t want to have children because he doesn’t want them to suffer from discrimination

Bottom line...this guy wants the government to to adhere and write law following his church's and personal bigoted beliefs. He needs to read and understand the bill of rights.

I had two mothers and two grandpas who were basically my father figures. How is that not ok?

"...seriously no Christmas trees? That's hilarious. I mean, that's great." Best part of this debate haha.

Does the caller think 80 year olds have no right to marry since they are neither procreating nor raising their own young children?

6 years later... why I will keep listening to Sam and support this channel.

His daughter is now 15. I wonder what she has to say about this

Austin: Gay marriage redefines marriage for everybody! Sam: What about women being chattel in the past and now that's not the definition of marriage anymore? Austin: Sure, that's a redefinition but not about gay folks. So, it's not the redefining he has a problem with after all. Gosh, it's almost like these arguments are constructed ad hoc or something.

"A term I don't accept in that situation." Who cares whether you 'accept' it or not. Those women are married whether you like it or not. The only reason children get 'confused' about LGBT issues is because people like this caller insist on telling them anything negative about people like the couple on this show they discussed, based upon falsehoods I might add. And while I am glad Sam is taking the stand he is taking, this is just another example of why I don't do talk radio or cable news...anyone with an uninformed idea can get on the air and can attempt to talk over others while making no sense at all. "I don't know about what I believe, nor do I know why I believe it, but I will be heard and you will not."

Daughter: Did she say "wife"? Parents: I think she said "life". Also parents: Our daughter isn't ready for that conversation. THE DAUGHTER LITERALLY NOTICED IT. SHE'S READY. IF SHE WAS TOO YOUNG SHE WOULDN'T HAVE NOTICED IT. Lying to her and shielding her from reality is only going to create more of a shock to her down the road.

This dude is like Jim Carrey in Liar Liar when it comes to are gay people better than single parents "I OBJECT!" "On what grounds?" "IT IS DEVESTATING TO MY CASE!"

Its almost been 10 years and the religious argument has been debunked 😂

"we hetrosexuals" said no straight person ever.

Yeah, from the first second I heard his voice, it was absolutely clear what his problem is with homosexuality. The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

I really tried to listen to this objectively, but when your guest started conjecturing that sexual orientation is a choice, that got to be too much for me.

i like when Sam pointed out we have laws against discrimination based on religion which is not immutable. thats called bringing the hammer down. as if that's even needed. all these jagoffs never had an argument. thank God this conservative supreme Court finally ended this question. now to get nondiscrimination across the board. I'm straight not that it matters. discrimination against gays is so ignorant and indicative of America struggling to get out of the dark ages. on a related note, thanks a lot religion...

When callers start doing that laugh... you know, that weird laugh- they already know they lost the debate. They fell into the Sam Seder trap.

This guy (the guest) is obviously out cruising for dudes in parks and dying shopping malls.

I love it. "Oh no, I do think you're a bigot" about 32 minutes in!

I wish religious people would be honest and simply admit that they do not want secular society to continue along an evolving path which is at odds with church law because it is too hard to maintain the faith/recruit believers/be relevant when church goers realise they are a minority, culturally different from the mainstream.

This video def. did not age well for Austin Ruse. His "it will never happen" response to avoid answering a hypothetical question is pretty dead in 2021. Sam should have him back on to ask the question again now that it's no longer a hypothetical.

Translation for those who don't speak bullshit: I'm a bigot. I want my children to grow up to be bigots just like me. I must shield them from any reality that will interfere with my hate.

The government supports marriage not for procreation but because it fosters the creation of stable households that contribute to a stable society as well as the fact that stable households provide resources for the care of children, indigents, the elderly and the infirm thereby lessening the state's burden (i.e., the burden of the taxpayers) for caring for those people. As society increasingly accepts that gay marriages contribute to societal stability at least as much as heterosexual marriages, preventing gay civil marriages is not in the interest of the state itself.

When my mom told me that same sex people can sometimes fall in love and get married I was about eight years old and I thought that was awesome because I could have my best friend (who is still my best friend now 25 years later) as a life partner. Later when I came to understand my sexuality and that I had none of those feelings toward him I was able to understand my true feelings on the issue as it pertained to me. My point is that we shouldn't prevent ourselves from trusting children with information. They might misinterpret it, but it will inform their perceptions of reality as they mature mentally and gain access to more and more information. It also stimulates their curiosity which is extremely important for their intellectual development. I'm not sure that I would even hide the reality of school shootings from my children. I would make them understand how unlikely they are to be involved in such a thing, but I wouldn't hide that from them. Their knowledge of such things could even give them perception on the warning signs to look for in their peers so that they could play a role in preventing such a thing from happening. That would be obviously much more of a positive outcome than hiding the truth from them.

Listening to this for the first time in 2020 and it's incredible how the goalposts have moved since then.

This one is so hilarious. The zealot keeps raising secondary points to bolster his point and then refuses to defend them in challenge and in fact pretends like it's a non issue and a challenge to his supporting points is going off topic.

Man it is so funny looking back at how wrong this guy was about so many things. Even funnier that it hasn't even been a decade. I would love to see sam have another discussion with him now.

Dude there ARE tax breaks for married parents. Also, funny how religious people come back to "we want the government to subsidise our lifestyle choices."

“Let’s check back in 10 years and if there’s data that shows that two-parent gay households have better outcomes than single mothers. It will never happen. The data won’t exist.” Let’s have this guy on again

Its the same battle over and over again. Religion vs Progression. And one side always wins. Progression. When will they ever learn.

I love how his justification was “yeah we don’t think our daughter is ready to see gay people existing in real life. There’s a battle between teaching your kids your hateful values and what’s right.”

35:30 "There is no sense that same-sex attraction is genetic, therefore it's not immutable." Something being genetic doesn't tell you if it's permanent. If genetically I have bad eyesight, and I get laser eye surgery, the bad eyesight is permanently gone. If I only know one language by the time I'm 40, I'll only speak one language without an accent.

How has Sam's brain not melted after dealing with these people for some many years???

I'm an old gay. A lot of gay couples our age wanted children but opted not to parent bc the state could very easily remove children from their home.

The fact that this caller expresses obvious bigoted beliefs towards gay people while also believing that he is not being bigoted is a great example of the Dunning-Kruger effect on display.

"You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place."

These older videos don't always have the best outros, but that is the best, punchy outro I heard from them. Loved the debate!

This guy is in the closet...atleast sounds like it

19:25 "Or a surrogate mom... oh my gosh, you are not really in favor of surrogacy, are you, Sam?" ... says someone who believes Jesus was born to a surrogate mom.

Marital rape wasnt outlawed in all 50 states until 1993. If the right to rape your wife doesn't make her chattel, what does?

8 years later, and this debate is still ongoing. Smh

i give it 5 years before he comes out like ted haggert

Why do I get the sense that this guy is a closeted homosexual. , I mean he talks with a very effeminate voice which kind of gives that impression, but i've known people who were not gay and talk similarly. I just can't imagine someone caring that much about what gay people are doing if you are strait. I feel bad for him, and despise him at the same time. His poor kids.

Wow. Why are so many religious people jerks? My husband died when I was 23 and my son was 2. This so-called man of God talking to Sam thinks I should have been punished via tax policy because I was a single parent for most of my child's formative years. Maybe he'll be happy to know that because I chose to prioritize time with my child over a career it has negatively affected my Social Security payments in retirement. That'll teach me!

Wow, you are absolutely amazing! I could never engage in an almost 50 minute conversation with someone who starts the conversation by expressing his need to brainwash his children during their most susceptible years.

ADOPTED children who would have been trapped in the system and are instead rescued and given a happy home also have the best chance at success in life. Most kids considered as least likely to find parents are being adopted by same sex couples every day.

I'm @ 18:07 but i gotta comment. There is studies that say Gay couples raise very productive children. Even better then straight when compared. I'll be willing to bet that if they happen to be married that number will be the same..

I was raised Catholic. Then again I was raised working class by a twice divorced single mother who supports gay rights and who always urged my siblings and I to "do unto others as you would have them do unto you." She also accepts me as trans, so I guess she's a complete monster or something.

“let’s talk again in 10 years” CALL HIM BACK

“Maybe they just didn’t know how exciting it was.” Comedy gold.

I love when Sam debates. It's very intellectually stimulating.

Sam only gets hotter as he ages. It's inspiring.

Austin: If you say marriage is about love and all that kind of stuff, is there a box you have to check in order to prove that you're in love? Me: You have to confirm that you will love and cherish the person in sickness and health etc. So, yeah. Meanwhile, there is no request for you to pledge a desire to have children.

This guy advocates tax penalties for my mom because her husband died when she had 4 children at home. I mean how does a government encourage her to not have a dead spouse? Compassion in all its glory.

I would argue that an 8yo child being told about same sex relationships would probably come out of the conversation with a healthier view of the subject than that it is a disorder...

Imagine coming across this in 2020 and the pope now reconginizes gay marriage

You can tell the more he realizes he's wrong, the more frustrated he becomes.

41:26 "I don't think the Pope is in favor of gay marriage...the church is not going to change on this." 6 years later... The Pope sanctions gay marriage...LOL!!!!!!! This did not age well for this "Vatican connected" caller!!!

Since he said "we can talk in 10 yrs" can you have him back on the show to see what his views are now?

This is rich…Defending a whole organization that has victimized countless children to sayit’s gay marriage that poses the threat to kids🤦🏻‍♀️

I hope his daughter has looked up this video now that she's older and was ashamed of her father

How is loving another person...a LACK of values??

Christians of America, please get your act together. Those of you who understand how bigoted and horrible this man is, PLEASE go speak to your local church groups and start a conversation about stopping this hate. Love your neighbor and do not judge. This is your creed. Please, help fix this problem. We need your help. WWJD?

Coming back 6 years later in 2020, I hope Austin holds to Sam's request because all the data has shown that the children of gay couples turn out no worse than the children of straight couples

First we teach our kids to be intolerant, ignorant. And thennnn we allow them to learn about the world. Yeah... nice parenting, and nice religion right there...

Assertion after assertion... after assertion

Sam should bring this guy back on and hash out the data on it now!

Good stuff.

We’re about 10 years later. Let’s try this again