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HF magnetic-core losses

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Sam Ben-Yaakov

Sam Ben-Yaakov

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The causes for HF magnetic-core losses are discusses and an intuitive method for calculating them is explained and demonstrated by examples.

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@neethus3294
@neethus3294 2 ай бұрын
Dear Professor, Very helpful presentation. The variation of power loss with temperature is quite interesting. While working with ferrites, I observed from the manufacturer datasheet(TDK software) that the permeability of ungapped ferrites increase with temperature. In that window the power loss decreases with temperature as well. If the ferrites are gapped, the permeability does not vary much. the thermal stability is quite good for the gapped cores I guess. Thank you.
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 2 ай бұрын
The permeability is a function of B no matter if there is a gap or not.
@2meters2
@2meters2 11 ай бұрын
When you mentioned (4:20) that a typical saturation limit for cores is 300 mT or so, and then mentioned (17:50) that a typical excitation limit for powder cores is 50 mT or so, the ratio of the two is constant (about 8). This made me realize something I had not before : We know the formula for the saturation limit based on current : Is is Bmax = Imax L / (N Ae). Here Imax is the maximum current through your inductor. Now your work (around 21:50) also gives a formula for delta-B : For boost converters, at D=0.5, delta-B = 1 / (N Ae) * Vout/(4*fpwm). Now this is cool, because with Bmax/delta-B being constant 8, that gives us : Vout/Imax = (L fpwm) / 2. This provides a super-simple way to determine an optimal L for a given power converter Vout, Imax and PWM frequency fpwm : L = 2 Vout / (Imax fpwm) So if you have a converter with inductor current 20 A, Vout = 200 V, fpwm=80kHz, then L = 250 uH is a good choice for an inductor based on magnetic saturation / exctation limits. I find that really cool !
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for input
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 4 жыл бұрын
Woah! Full Circle! That's amazing that for a given L, Bsat = (1/(nAe))*VdT AND Isat = ( Bsat . Ae ) / √( L . AL ); dT = L / V * Isat !!! That explains why there is no free lunch. I am still stuck on something, for a given core, say Ve = 8320 mm^3, Bmax = 250mT, switch frequency of 100 kHz, and material, say N41, a chart indicates 1,500kW/m^3. Do you multiply the volume by that loss value? Like would that mean my core would really be losing TWELVE WATTS?!? That seems truly insane.
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 4 жыл бұрын
That's life!
@samirhijji342
@samirhijji342 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Mr. Ben-Yaakov, this Steinmetz Formula is only for sinusoidal waveforms correct. Otherweis you should use the Äquivalent Frequency instead to the normal switching frequency.
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 2 жыл бұрын
Have you seen kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aNSCerGF28i5aZc.html
@Azagro
@Azagro 7 жыл бұрын
I also studied your video on soft-switching pwm converters. Now for a high power SMPS (2000W>) I think it's most useful to use the fullbridge topology. To achieve maximum efficiency you'd like to have minimum switching losses and core losses. In that presentation you showed an input inductor(Li) between Q1 and Q3 and transformer, now I assume that brings some core losses. What would be the best design for that inductor when Vin
@esijal
@esijal 2 жыл бұрын
Dear Professor, I can't understand why having DC bias tend to increase loss?? In fact if a core (DC+ripples) works at a positive side of its BH curve there is not any need to demagnetization that reduces a considerable internal frictions. Also I believe the hysteresis band will be much narrower this way. I appreciate your helpful answer for my question in advance. Thanks
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 2 жыл бұрын
See . Muhlethaler, J. Biela, J. W. Kolar and A. Ecklebe, "Core Losses Under the DC Bias Condition Based on Steinmetz Parameters," in IEEE Transactions on Power Electronics, vol. 27, no. 2, pp. 953-963, Feb. 2012, doi: 10.1109/TPEL.2011.2160971.
@esijal
@esijal 2 жыл бұрын
@@sambenyaakov thanks professor 🙏
@Azagro
@Azagro 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for this video! I have a question. Do you have a video about synchronous rectification? Since losses can be really big. Or is it a topic that's not worth it? Thanks again!
@mhzxtal922
@mhzxtal922 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Prof Sam, Thanks for the video to introduce the core losses in details. But I have question regarding the core losses versus DCR losses. Would you think the majority losses for the inductor core is came from (DCR losses)? Because I think normally DCR losses is higher than core losses. So in this case, if we want to improve the total losses of the inductor core. Should we decrease the inductance values (for saturation capability), fixed the particular core size (based on the PCB requirement) and increase an appropriate ranges of switching frequency (reduce the current ripple). Because I was concerned about the core loss compared to DCR loss from the video in 9:12 Thank you so much Pro sam
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 6 жыл бұрын
The DC mentioned at 9:12 is DC component of B. What causes losses is the AC component but if there is a DC components the loss may be higher. WE do not have enough information on that. See kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aNSCerGF28i5aZc.html. DCR is normally referred to winding wire losses. What is important is, Rac, that is the resistance of wire at the operating frequency (taking into account skin and proximity effects). One design approach is to make the wire (normally referred to as 'copper') loss to core loss. See kzfaq.info/get/bejne/adSWpKWrtbPPno0.html
@mhzxtal922
@mhzxtal922 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks prof sam
@khanhmaingoc9825
@khanhmaingoc9825 5 жыл бұрын
Dear Sir Can you show me how to know the delta B ? Using datasheet of core material, right ?
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 5 жыл бұрын
Yes. Losses as a function of Delta B are found in datasheets.
@khanhmaingoc9825
@khanhmaingoc9825 5 жыл бұрын
@@sambenyaakov is it Al value ? can you send me a sample datasheet? Ex ee25.
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 5 жыл бұрын
It is shown on Slide 9 or did I misunderstood your question? Look up data sheet of say 3F3 material.
@PSPS437
@PSPS437 6 жыл бұрын
Dr. Sam, Can you please try to make a video on planar transformer? Here is an app note from TI: www.ti.com/download/trng/docs/seminar/Topic4LD.pdf , but it is little confusing for me because I have never designed power supply using a planar Transformer
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 6 жыл бұрын
Hi, Thanks for sending the link to Ti's document. There is a Philips document which I think is simpler. If you can't find it let me know and I will try to locate it for your. I have written many years ago a simple introduction to planar magnetics. www.ee.bgu.ac.il/~pel/pdf-files/conf145.pdf AS for a video, I will put it on my to do list but I am afraid not marked as high priority. By the way, aside from physical construction (PCB arrangements etc. ) I do not see much different between regular transformer and FM except trading window area with core cross section area. Best
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