next time you should drive both cars, one dig and one roll each.

@@bearpaw9150 next time you shouldn’t cry in the live chat 😂

@@OleMisss umm no one's crying maroon, just stating facts.

@@bearpaw9150 - LOL @ maroon

Sir what's the point of racing a car with 245 hp to 276 hp you know damn well if It was the clubsport there with 300 hp you will get smoked.

Yeah I was found to buy one summer 2021 when it was supposed to come out. Glad in didn't wait and got a GTI. Sitting at 380-390 hp running low 12's on street tires.

Yep, noticed that with his Elantra N video too.

he gets the best cars for comparison, but he can't drive lol he needs another driver

@@jessizzle5575 His problem is he talks too much and his attention is always on the other car that's racing him. He needs to focus on his own driving.

@@jillthompson6110 he just needs someone with a good reaction time. The kona n is pretty close to the elantra n in performance, the kona just has a little more weight. I've seen multiple elantra n vs gti videos, and the en usually wins by car lengths. Idk how he manages to perform so badly and give us these skewed results lol but i really don't see the kona struggling here with a good driver

Enjoy the channel but it is kind of frustrating to see such unequal starts from a dig.

He’s really slow to react

Add to this the driver's weight.

@@YAsM-bk5kz 20-30 kg between derivers make no difference

@@oleglog6927 It makes brtother. ... Gtr nesmo is less weight than the standard Gtr 30kg and the difference is 200,000 dollars and makes 30hp extra.

@@YAsM-bk5kz there is some truth in your words, I notice my car empty fuel tank runs faster than full. I can feel it but full fuel tank is like 50 kg difference.

still failed

Yes exactly. It's a big difference!

What does that mean?

@@nikolawandler939914-15 psi of boost not learn and 18-19 psi of boost when learned it make a little difference

@@cedricbourgoin1406 the car can learn? can you please explain it?

Same

If it was AWD I guess it would be a Golf R competitor. FWIW I think the GTI may squeak a win. Will be interesting nonetheless.

Yup they missed the mark. AWD would've sold a LOT of Konas

@@MikeKonkle Wrong this race is not how they are rated. The Kona is rated and proven by many other videos on youtube to be faster than the gti

@@vroomgc - yeah very odd... maybe it has to do with aerodynamics. IDK. They both look like fun anyways. I would choose GTI or Elantra N just for the manual transmission. Can't wait for the GR Corolla. Have a great Monday!

Stop making up excuses lol 10 hp what a joke lol

@@lexman8678 lol. I am not making excuses at all. I am just stating a fact on how the dct in an N car can be operated. 🤷🏻‍♂️

@@lexman8678I saw a test where it improved the 0-60 time by half a second so this is one of those cases where the marketing says 10hp but the reality is a bit better.

@@lexman8678 just read what he's saying and be educated, you'll be alright🤔

@@S8ER 0-60 is fully dependent on the launch.

Thank you Jim

Own one it’s fantastic.

@@drumflip1253 it's a worse gti

@@roboticvenom1935 I’ve owned several GTI’s. Great car but that new infotainment is an absolute disaster. The Kona N is so much funner, way better exhaust notes, more raw and more adjustable to drive than any GTI and that’s what I look for in the hot hatch I drive.

@@roboticvenom1935 wayyyyyyyy better warranty then a GTI tho lol

Definitely, and they never mention which traction control settings are used. I have a mk8 GTI and you can use ESC off or ESC sport for launch control, the latter limiting how much wheelspin which is better on lower grip pavement. The explanation for not using manual mode was completely evasive and incorrect as this would take shift/downshifts out of the equation and most dual clutches auto-upshift which would simplify things. I think this could be a good channel if they would rationalize their procedures instead of half-assing it.

Same goes for mk7.5 golf r losing to Elantra n, makes no sense, I’m actually wonder if that EN was tuned.

Just by looking at the kona and the Elantra you can tell HUGE differences that would affect performance. Aerodynamics and ride height play a role just like horsepower and weight.

@@keving5286 Yeah, if you look at quarter mile times for both they're not even close, roll races should be close though.

I watched the first drag race again and I'm pretty sure the tc was off which explains why the gti spun it's tires and then bogged, definitely not the fastest way to launch.

And very slow to react 😂😂

I got mine at MSRP in Ontario Canada

@@vroomgc this isn’t common at all, but good for you.

I fought the dealer… they brought it down to 2500 but included ceramic coating and extended warranty. Bought in california too

No way, Captain Obvious!

The weight isn't THAT much more, engine/trans are the same and tires are basically 1 size smaller but different make. I would still like to know the mileage on the KN because I've already seen KN vids of it running mid to low 13's.

@@ytsux9259 lol he thought he did something 😂

Nope it comes down to something smells wrong ;)

Dang u guys are harsh. Went ahead and fixed it.

GTI is put together better no doubt, much better aftermarket support as well

My gut tells me this was not handled correctly. They need to start switching cars for the second run.

Same here. Is it just me or does anyone else that owns a Kona feel this Kona was slow compared to ours lol 🤷🏻‍♂️

@@ericr954ya they probably ran it in eco mode lol

Wrong, it was 12 million

@@SamCarLegion using that dieselgate money dang

Apparently they are still trying to find a train long enough to fit between the Golf R and Elantra on the dig race but as of yet no train in the world exists.

@@Buck3366 I'm a VW fan but I can appreciate a good joke when it comes along. I have an IS38 GLI and I pity the EN that wants to play on the highway.

MK8 Golf R will destroy the Elantra 😂😂

sad to see it get pulled on the roll race though..

@@roboticvenom1935 Aero really takes it's toll on SUVs...

I have a Kona N. Its so much fun to drive. 90 degree turns at 60 miles an hour is insane. Plus having the factory pops is always fun. Chose the Kona N over the GTI cuz of fun factor and that god aweful gti interior. Hate all the Haptic buttons.

But if you get a Kona N, they aren't without their issues. Mine is currently down because cylinder 1 injector went bad and it has less than 2000 miles on it. There are some issues others are having with it too, but im sure the GTI isn't without its problems

The 3rd gen EA888 (and gearbox) on my mk7 GTI has been bullet proof over the last 6.5 years of continuous daily abuse, only had to change the water pump under warranty due to a coolant leak which is pretty much the only common problem with mk7 GTIs, so I imagine the 4th iteration of the engine to be quite reliable given that it’s basically the same thing but with even stronger internals, I guess coolant leaks may be the main concern judging by the previous gen (which they claimed to have fixed, but we have to wait and see).

@@MrTARIQSs Sadly the MK8 has an issue with the radiator not being sealed properly and the shifter (for 6MT) popping off. I'm sure the next year model of the MK8 will be much more solid.

Yeah something is definitely off with this, there is no way aerodynamics and weight make this much of a huge difference. I've raced GTis on the street in my Kona and pull on the top end so idk what was up with this ?

@@irockz9723 yea either that Elantra was tuned or something is wrong with that Kona N 50lbs and aero doesn’t even matter much cause the gti was pulling from the start we talking about the same engine same turbo and hearing the bs that it’s a suv is why it lost is stupid… even if u watch the videos of the Kona N vs Elantra N on that Korean KZfaqr channel they were pretty much even on the straight

@@DriverJ-N The Elantra was tuned.

If anything the video of the Elentra N vs GTI makes no sense. Because this is actually the second race of the Kona N vs the GTI. And even on the other channel the GTI was pulling on the Kona N. The Elentra N races on this channel honestly make no sense. A type R on a roll beats a N. There is over 8 videos of Mk7 R vs type R and they are head to head on a roll, while the N puts 5 busses on the mk7 golf R?.

I can already tell you that the kona N was not on N mode based on the exhasut sound and no pops and bangs alone

Thank you

And 30 pounds difference between two cars aint making one stinkin difference. 30 pound difference is barely gonna make a difference on 2 people racing bicycles let alone two cars cracking out 280+ horsepower. Come on now.

dude golf R's are generally faster.. this channel featured a SLOW golf r against the elantra N and a SLOW kona N vs this GTI.. both results are off

probably on low octane fuel so its probably 15psi boost instead of the peak 20psi

Just bought mine last week. 2k over but included ceramic coating, and 10 year 100k warranty

Exactly.

Unfortunately GPS dragy doesn’t work there

@@SamCarLegion Got it. Thank you again.

Really? Did they do that race?

Video please!

@@drewthrower4509yes on this channel

@@lukemothugyes on this channel

MK8Golf R, golf Clubsport will both be faster than all of the Ns. It’s also kind of unfair to compare a baseline GTI to the top preformance cars of Hyundai. Clubsport and R should be compared. And no not the R that was on a platform from 10 years ago that doesn’t count either lol

@@ruthlessruth846 agreed

I’m pretty sure it was on 87 they never check that on this channel that’s why they don’t show the psi.

sam is not a car person. hes a boomer reviewing new cars with technologies beyond his grasp

the elantra as more power look at the gti video

@@elmosiboire9037 it's the same exact drivetrain

@@jagerking7020 You are right, but why is the Kona N much slower?

@@elmosiboire9037 They both have the same engine and bhp???

@@rickyb232 not the same psi weight and torque

that wasnt a bus length you blind bat, and he was pulling, next race he won

Y’all don’t even care about drag racing

Aerodynamics and weight

even more so, the R

Some say Elantra has slightly bigger turbo, and different tune, more aggressive. Also weight and aero play a big part.

@@pokest225 elantraN and konaN use the same turbocharger.When tested in Korea, the performance of the two vehicles was almost the same up to 200km/h.

@@Corner_rascal manual or dct? Elantra dct seems a lot faster than manual. Watching this test elantra looks a lot faster than kona.

already done. KN smoked it.

@@gionieves2646 It had lightweight wheels and I think it was tuned )))

@@Eugen-E not tuned. Only difference was the tires. Was probably octane learned 91-93 Octane 18 PSI instead of 15 not octane learned.

What a load of rubbish

@@SamCarLegion I'm confused. You stated you have new tarmac. The rpm's in the Kona N can be set to whatever you'd like. Are you telling me that you drove the car enough to know the best launch settings based on the traction conditions? Not sure why that is rubbish. Both cars are great, but little nuances like that will tilt the scale just enough to provide the results they did.

@@flyin18t I have driven the Kona N around the track, I have done probably 12-15 launches, I drove in California around the track we did, many launch control tests, I have done a bunch of drags with it. The day we did these videos, we do test runs, to see how the cars run before we hit record. So please stop talking bs.

@@SamCarLegion Thank you for clarifying. That info is very helpful to the viewer that may not be aware of it. Maybe mention this in the videos. Not sure why you're so hostile. Also not sure how I could have phrased my comment differently to not set you off. Thank you again for a solid video.

@@flyin18t I am sorry I came off a bit rude, but it sounded like you were questioning my abilities. Thanks for the feedback

How would that be a better match up , R is awd ? Ps the VW in video is a gti btw

@@davidgriggs3967 I know it’s a GTI I guess I may have spoken to soon. I clearly overestimated the Kona N in this video. The Kona N seems to pretty quick but it certainly didn’t match up to the new GTI which only proves my point I highly doubt the Elantra N has a chance against the new Golf R!

@@nstylemotorsportsracing1471 didnt do so bad.

If you live in the country sure, otherwise just put on snow tires.

canada has shit weather, don;t wanna live there

but they're the essentially the same space wise..

I've never considered Kona N to be a SUV. It definitely favors a traditional hatchback > SUV.

It’s an Apple iPhone 13 Pro max Golden Brown

The man was sleeping 😴

Exactly, this race was not how the cars compare so something was not right

Lol the excuses. Go look at actual track times and dragy/vbox numbers. The Kona doesn’t impress as much as the Elantra does. Still impressive and quick, but it’s not going to trap 105 like the Gti

@@PapiAndrey Nobody is making excuses as there are Kona's on KZfaq trapping at a 105 miles an hour plus.

Sorry about my talk to txt message but I'm sure most got the point🤔😋

@@klasseact6663 All good and your point on how many miles were on that Kona is a point. I have watched many youtube races of the kona and elantra N's and they are pretty close in 0-60 and 1/4 times and thats why this race is another questionable one.

Nope, the difference between the Kona and Elantra is very very little. Aside from Sams video which are questionable, go look it up

@@vroomgc suuper questionable 😂

@@vroomgc trippin, theres a significant difference between elantra and that suv thing kona smh

100% questionable, especially the EN vs golf r video, literally every video outside of sam’s speaks otherwise. Anyone wonder why?

@@keving5286 were just haters I guess. The under-powered fwd beats the faster awd car. It only makes sense!

blows my mind too

There is only something like 100lbs weight difference from the EN to KN with essentially the same drivetrain. The R also has a better power to weight ratio than the GTi and still got destroyed by the EN. Almost makes me wonder if they neutered the Kona N so the Elantra feels more sporty and Kona feels more family.

@@JohnSmith-nz5yu Would have more to do with gear ratio's and final drive combined with the 100lbs extra weight especially if Hyundai used the same drive train specs across the range of N models.

@@davidgriggs3967 Fair point. I guess I had just assumed that they would be using the exact same 8 speed with the same ratios in both these cars.

After a bit of digging it looks like all the gear ratios are the same but the final drive is 2.71 for the EN vs 2.81 for the Kona.