The Ethiopia Tigray Conflict Explained with Alex de Waal

The Ethiopia Tigray Conflict Explained with Alex de Waal | TMR

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Professor Alex de Waal joins to discuss the conflict between Eritrea and Ethiopia. Eritrean and Ethiopian forces have launched a new assault on the Tigray region in Ethiopia, according to reports. The assault follows months of conflict and humanitarian crisis in the region, which began in November 2020 when the Tigray People's Liberation Front (TPLF) launched an attack on federal military bases. In response, Ethiopian Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed ordered a military campaign against the TPLF, which resulted in widespread destruction and human rights abuses. The situation has been exacerbated by the involvement of Eritrean forces, which have been accused of committing war crimes and crimes against humanity. The ongoing conflict has resulted in thousands of deaths and the displacement of millions of people.
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On the phone we have Alex DeWall. he's the executive director of the world peace Foundation professor at Tufts University Fletcher School of Law and policy. Professor, thanks for joining us. It's a pleasure to be with you. let's could I mean this is a conflict that's been going on for two years at least I guess in this form. There was for many many years a conflict between Ethiopia and Eritrea. Can you just set the context for us? who changed? you know what were we talking about when Eritrea and Ethiopia were at War and what changed from then in terms of leadership and then? And then maybe walk us up to what ignited the conflict with the Tigray region and Ethiopia and I guess Eritrea as well and the Amhara? So the basic story is this: for about 25 years from the early 1990s there were two rival governments in Ethiopia and the former Ethiopian province of Eritrea which had got independence in 1993. and the Ethiopian government was authoritarian but relatively open a very effective developmental State. rapid economic growth. and a sort of an anchor of peace and Security in the region so very popular with Western countries for its stand in fighting terrorism. it was an attractive Target for investment. and although it was authoritarian it wasn't totalitarian. Eritrea on the other hand was a totally totally totalitarian state with no political parties, no Judiciary , no budget published, no Constitution , and no totally a one-man show under its president.

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@ernestkhalimov1007 Жыл бұрын

I applaud the Ethiopian viewers for calling out the shoddy coverage and the heavily biased opinion of the professor

@tewekdenahom485 Жыл бұрын

he was talking pure western biased points me and my family have heard for 2 years now.

@ernestkhalimov1007 Жыл бұрын

@@tewekdenahom485I fully agree Simply a one sided affair and MR simply being too uninformed on the subject to push back and poor judgement to not assemble a proper panel to present the Ethiopian side of the events and only siding with the TPLF. If only Michael Brooks was still alive there would be an infinitely constructive discussion on the topic.

@Tribuneoftheplebs Жыл бұрын

Ethiopians will cry about bias but then ban all independebt reporting 🤡

@ilijeganu273 Жыл бұрын

@@ernestkhalimov1007 those same Ethiopians were against independent UN/AU investigations on crimes against humanity committed on Tigray people, they literally are Nazis. If we are fair, everybody should be held accountable. It's undeniable the worst atrocities were committed on Tigray people

@sablemakonnen316 Жыл бұрын

This Guy is a Lier he’s probably paid by someone. Sam you should invite an Ethiopian who will defend the other side.

@madbasto5857 Жыл бұрын

Why don't you talk about the corruption of Tigray people and how they steal land from other ethnic groups for 28 years?

@madbasto5857 Жыл бұрын

Tell this guy to Google inferiority complex. That's what Tigray has.

@poyaispanic5269 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for covering this. This conflict is as large if not bigger than Ukraine invasion, esp. when it comes to human suffering, and the silence of the world is shameful

@gregoryodonnell3793 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I love when Sam covers issues that no one else is talking about. It makes me proud to support this program.If I can respond briefly respond to your comment (which I mostly agree with), as bad as the invasion of Ukraine is, I think the situation in Tigray is actually far worse -- in fact, many, many orders of magnitude worse -- at least in terms of sheer human suffering. You can actually find videos online of civilians being burnt alive in Tigray. Truly unfathomable suffering. I don't mean to diminish the suffering of Ukrainians, of course, who are fighting bravely and suffering tremendously, but there's just nothing in the world that compares to the suffering in Tigray. Worst humanitarian crisis in the world. Bar none.

@0MVR_0 Жыл бұрын

@gregoryodonnell3793 You might hope that you have refrained from producing hyperbole.

@gregoryodonnell3793 Жыл бұрын

@@0MVR_0 It's not hyperbole. As I told you in the other thread, the International Rescue Committee (basically) agrees with me. Look up an article online called "The Top 10 Ten Crises the World Can't Ignore in 2022." They place Ethiopia 2nd on the list, behind only Afghanistan. I am sure you won't quibble over whether 2nd or 1st on a list of top 10 humanitarian crises in the entire world qualifies as "the worst humanitarian crisis in the world." Look, you can try to nitpick all of my comments in every thread if you like, but the evidence supports everything I have said.

@0MVR_0 Жыл бұрын

@gregoryodonnell3793 I am simply saying that you might hope you are wrong, since there are some serious impositions to peace and health in the globe. Take malaria

@gregoryodonnell3793 Жыл бұрын

@@0MVR_0 Oh, I see. I misunderstood you. I apologize. To be sure, you have in fact nitpicked my other comments (about whether the 2nd-ranked humanitarian crisis in the world counts as the "most serious topic," which I said in response to a commenter whose language trivialized the conflict). But I agree with you here.

@sanoysen7490 Жыл бұрын

It's astonishing to me how misinformed are these people on the issues of ethiopia, and the worst part is seeking information from a well known TPLF sellout

@wedeyhabrom Жыл бұрын

From a long-time political observer like Alex DeWall, one would expect at least a correct and balanced presentation of the situation on the ground, which is not the case here.

@gregoryodonnell3793 Жыл бұрын

No one here is interested in taking a side in this conflict. De Waal is presenting the perspective that is shared by every reputable human rights organization in the world, such as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch. It would be obscene if De Waal had not presented this perspective. There is no excuse for the information blackout created by Ethiopian government. Why prevent the press from entering the region? If they have nothing to hide, there is no reason why they would. Ethiopia has expelled UN aid workers. That is indisputable. Why would they do that, if indeed they have nothing to hide? And the human rights violations committed by the Ethiopia forces (by no means the only ones in the conflict, but certainly widespread and done with sheer impunity) are egregious and inexcusable. It would be outrageous if De Waal (of anyone else) denied this.

@wedeyhabrom Жыл бұрын

It is very striking that De Waal pursues a selective perception here. Why doesn't he say a word here about the horrible violations of human rights by the TPLF? Interesting enough that De Waal is taking sides in this conflict by omitting the crimes of the Marxist TPLF group.

@ernestkhalimov1007 Жыл бұрын

@@gregoryodonnell3793 nah Prof Alex is capping. Thank Deus TPLF surrendered

@tewekdenahom485 Жыл бұрын

@@gregoryodonnell3793 ngos are tools of imperialism especially when they outright lie and fabricate allegations like alex does

@spazzpeddlerclosing Жыл бұрын

I CANT LIE..it was odd that i heard lies on MR. SAM HAS A PLAN i belive ..i think hes getting this side...READING THE COMMENTS and therefore we all get the truth. plus i think HOPE.. next week or...he'll have a person who was the VICTIM of these fellas.

@aleaiacetaest9132 Жыл бұрын

The lies just won’t stop 😂 Professor Fuzo the Ethiopia expert just doesn’t wanna give up his defamation campaign! He acts as if he knows it all but then again he bites on granite when it comes to Ethiopia.

@Alex-cw3rz Жыл бұрын

it's interesting that in these 10 weeks 136,000 were casualties, whereas in 2 years of war in which there was more intensive fighting then now at most the ehtopian army suffered 7,500 casualties and the tigray at most 7,900 casualties. Whereas he is claiming 136,000 ethopians in 2weeks and a bit less for Tigray. So about 250,000, so we went from 21 deaths a day to 3,572 or a Omaha beach on D-day every day, every single day for 10 weeks. Do you still not see how obviously incorrect this is, how about his source De Waal is referencing himself he claimed a general said it but there is zero evidence of this, the only place online that says 136,000 is De Wall himself.

@Alex-cw3rz Жыл бұрын

Interesting fact about Ethopia is it's one of a few countries on earth that gets all it's power from renewable energy, almost all Hydroelectric

@Blueblackngold Жыл бұрын

@Alex-cw3rz Жыл бұрын

@@Blueblackngold ?

@0MVR_0 Жыл бұрын

people forget that she is the source of the Blue Nile

@aleaiacetaest9132 Жыл бұрын

And that scares the crap out of the west 😂

@charlesdunseth8895 Жыл бұрын

Why is that interesting? Why is this relevant? Can you explain?

@Alex-cw3rz Жыл бұрын

28:13 I don't think this is true for one that would mean every single Ethiopian soldier was a casualty in 10 weeks, which would be almost impossible, even if you were trying to get your own soldiers injured. The only thing I can find that says Field Marshel birhanu jula said this was in a blog post which links to some random persons KZfaq video that is in a different language and the field marshals picture appears in the video we do not see him speak or a written statement from him.

@Alex-cw3rz Жыл бұрын

Just reread it and it turns out the blog post was written by Alex De Wall, so the only person claiming 136,000 is himself and a random video with no first hand accounts.

@tewekdenahom485 Жыл бұрын

they know they're lying this is called propaganda

@Saucytom Жыл бұрын

@@Alex-cw3rzthis guy completely changed my perspective on what having a phd means, his talking points are literally from tigray state media.

@0MVR_0 Жыл бұрын

@Saucytom that is the point. The doctorate was in being able to convince a western audience that the second world War is currently present wherever specific interests lie. Everyone else is, by evidence of opposition, Hitlerian.

@ravenmusic6392 Жыл бұрын

@@Alex-cw3rz Yeah the estimate is way out of whack, some Dutch researchers estimated 100,000 military casualties on all sides during the last 10 weeks, and that's decently high end. The Ethiopian army was about 180,000 strong before the war, so this would mean that 80% of their forces were lost in 10 weeks which is just insane

@tiglunmy Жыл бұрын

It is quite obvious that the interviewers are haplessly clueless about the situation in Ethiopia and this shameless hack took total control of the conversation. Not even a single challenge to his factual errors and omissions of inconvenient truths in his propaganda narratives.

@Donotcare6 Жыл бұрын

Another tplf propaganda.

@Alex-cw3rz Жыл бұрын

Just to point out in 2 years of conflict the casualties on the Ethopian side have been 7,500 at the most over two years, yet this guy is claiming in 10 weeks 136,000 casualties happened. Even though the most intense fighting occurred in 2020 during the Mekelle Offensive, the casualty rate has increased 18,795%. This is just untrue.

@ravenmusic6392 Жыл бұрын

It's definitely not 136,000 but it will be higher than 7,500, that seems to be the tentative estimate of the Ethiopian government. Its very rare to defeat a force as large as the TPLF while sustaining so few casualties without a quick, decisive campaign, it's probably several times higher

@Alex-cw3rz Жыл бұрын

@@ravenmusic6392 7,500 was from the Tigray defense force of how many they thought they inflicted on ethopia and is of the first 2 years of the war. It does not include the last 10 weeks. The issue being that the harshest fighting of the war was not in the last 10 weeks, well that's what I heard and if true that would make his 136,000 number even more laughable.

@Tribuneoftheplebs Жыл бұрын

Does that include FANO militia and Eritrean casualties?

@atoa4853 Жыл бұрын

The majority Report please invite Heremela Aregawi to balance your report. THIS IS SO ONE SIDED.

@happyprogressivepoop1422 Жыл бұрын

Nope only whites.

@strawberry7799a Жыл бұрын

I dont know man. Starving a whole region isn’t an act that can be argued from two sides.

@marzero116 Жыл бұрын

@@strawberry7799a it is when the cause for starvation is that regions powerfull hording All the resources for them selves.

@tewekdenahom485 Жыл бұрын

@@strawberry7799a no one is holding them their except the TPLF nice try buddy

@amdetsion3256 Жыл бұрын

@@strawberry7799a Except a whole region wasn't actually being starved! Alex failed to mention the many UN trucks carrying food and oil appropriated to victims in Tigrai but got confiscated by the TPLF.

@lowoctane Жыл бұрын

This is super disinformative please have Independent Journalist Hermela Aregawi (@HermelaTV)(formerly on @cbsla @aljazeera) for a non-colonial take on this, she has been rigorously covering this issue from the outset. Now, have my loonies & toonies. Thanks

@spazzpeddlerclosing Жыл бұрын

shout out lowoctane. SAM u gotta know brother this is about white folks europeans and americans first taking then doing genocide the divide conquest coups lies ..chemical warfare.. DRUGS... this is RACISM BRO SYSTEMATIC TO BE SURE.. youre jewish so yall good technically. im only AA..but i know this and past stuff white folks and now chinese..TAKE STOLE THE METALS..AND it seems the art too?? lol...the tribal mask bro... BELGIUM ....is good in the hood aint they? bro these white folks are something to behold. they leave the rich nice countries to go see and f**k on the nasty dirty poor folks down in AFRICA yall. smfh

@IbsaUtube Жыл бұрын

My friends, this is like inviting a Fox News host to discuss the state of the Democratic Party. Please balance your coverage by inviting on someone like Hermela Argawi.

@Alex-cw3rz Жыл бұрын

32:07 it's sustains those loses because those numbers aren't true, you can look this up only one thing claims 136,000 and it's a blog post that links to some random persons KZfaq video that is in a different language and the field marshals picture appears in the video we do not see him speak or a written statement from him claiming 136,000

@marzero116 Жыл бұрын

This interview had nothing to do with facts.

@wks8745 Жыл бұрын

Majority are not Oromo Ethnic group but rather Ethiopians who are mixed ethnicity of Amhara & Oromo! This is the fact being ignored by those wanting to play their political/ ethnic based divides avoid! The ethnic hatred was planted by TPLF!

@laymanssc8265 Жыл бұрын

Alex confuses everyone. The issue is simple, to be honest. TPLF has been simply fighting everyone because it believed it could with the support of people like Alex. As much as Alex would like to romanticize a rebel group to whom he dedicated his Ph.D. studies, they are not the good guys. They have fought with Ethiopia twice and Eritrea once in 4 decades or so. He knows many Ethiopians disagree with him, but he has a colonial mentality that only his wisdom supersedes the nations. He wants Ethiopians to accept the rebels were the best thing that happened, and if we disagree, Ethiopia will collapse because he and his friends can paint the type of picture he is painting in the west. Now he is grieving the loss of TPLF as TPLF threw the towel, signing a peace deal and agreeing to disarm. Alex will be remembered by many Ethiopians for stoking the flames of war. He hides behind his professorship to impose his carrier over the will of Ethiopians.

@madbasto5857 Жыл бұрын

This guy is a paid Tigray puppet. Don't expect anything called truth will ever come out his mouth.

@ernestkhalimov1007 Жыл бұрын

Based👍

@Tribuneoftheplebs Жыл бұрын

Meanwhile a new civil war is starting between Oromo and Amharas 🤣 going to blame TPLF for that one too?!?

@spazzpeddlerclosing Жыл бұрын

damn that alex guy needs to run into someone who can drive him home.

@laymanssc8265 Жыл бұрын

@@Tribuneoftheplebs Assuming you are genuine (including during TPLF's rule), armed groups in Oromia have attacked ethnic Amharas living in Oromia for a long time. This is a large country where the government security apparatus always spreads thin. Abiy, an ethnic Oromo, has been treating armed groups in Oromia less aggressively. Hence, ethnic Amharas (civilians) suffered the burnt. This is nothing like TPLF vs. the rest of Ethiopia, where a conventional war was fought with heavy artillery for the last two years. At the start of the war, TPLF's heavy armament outstripped that of the rest of Ethiopia significantly (which was stockpiled in Tigray to keep Eritrea at bay during TPLF's rein in power). If you are trolling, have a good day.

@kdot9929 Жыл бұрын

Majority Report you’ll have to do better than bringing this faulty intellectual here. The amount of misinformation he spread here is uncountable. If he’s this soft on the Tigrayan Army and it’s atrocities through the years in East Africa especially against the Oromo people of Eritrea he’s a joke.

@RebbeccaGuaylover Жыл бұрын

What did he say that was faulty? And can you cite your own information that is contrary to his?

@tewekdenahom485 Жыл бұрын

@@RebbeccaGuaylover no buddy were not gonna share source in the comment section of a KZfaq video do the research on your own time.

@Saucytom Жыл бұрын

@@RebbeccaGuayloveryou think he sounds like a unbiased man? Why would an entire country go to war for ethnic cleansing?? That doesn’t even make sense THINK. Africans are not that stupid holy shit

@davidlittler8512 Жыл бұрын

@Zombiefigure You can't be serious. I can name at least three countries that have gone to war over ethnic tensions in recent history. Yugoslavia, Rwanda and Myanmar, all of which resulted in ethnic cleansing.

@GebreMMII Жыл бұрын

there is no Oromo in Eritrea…

@tylerhackner9731 Жыл бұрын

Interesting convo

@hawkeyes7588 Жыл бұрын

ya no all he talked about was Tigray. what about afar and Amhara that got killed by the so-called TDF. don't rub salt in our pain it wasn't just Tigray that lost people we Amhara and afar lost a lot of people. our people are still displaced that is why not many speak out because you guys do selective journalism which doesn't benefit one bit.

@tewekdenahom485 Жыл бұрын

they dont care about any of us except their puppet tplf tribe.

@spazzpeddlerclosing Жыл бұрын

hawk eyes peace to you and your people. im sorry as a american we have our hands bloody. and please make peace one on one to spite us. please for real my kin.

@wks8745 Жыл бұрын

Balance your reporting by getting Tigrayan Reporter who is against TPLF leadership. HermelaTV!

@gregoryodonnell3793 Жыл бұрын

Just one more comment about the defenders of the Ethiopian government who have suddenly swarmed the comment section here, Just ask yourself: Is there any possible argument you could make that would justify burning human beings alive or summarily executing unarmed civilians? Of course there isn't. These crimes have been caught on video, which you can find online, and show Ethiopian forces (speaking Amharic and wearing Ethiopian uniforms) committing them. CNN International has even covered these videos in detail, which can also find online. Now, of course, it is always worth listening to multiple perspectives on a conflict. And the TPLF is not innocent (although of course the people of Tigray are innocent) in this conflict. But no perspective justifies these kinds of atrocities. For anyone who even pretends to have a conscience, these crimes must be condemned.

@oooo-gj3en Жыл бұрын

Amen to condemnation of and crime committed by any side. I think ppl are not asking to white wash suffering but to do a better job of balanced reporting. For example saying TPLF firing the first shot is similar to Poland shooting the first shot in WWII is not about the suffering that ensues after the war started but rather about making a political point saying TPLF is justified in storming a federal army base station in the region and killing federal troops. Where in the world will that not be treated as a treasonous insurrection. Who in their right mind would equate that to Poland of WWII? You are not helping the cause of justice for those who suffered in the war by spewing such untenable positions. Eth government for all its faults has atleast accepted the finding of HRW that crimes have been committed by its troops. The only push back is against reporters that try to paint this as a genocidal war as opposed to self defense. Investigation by HRW and Amnesty didn’t find evidence of genocide.

@gregoryodonnell3793 Жыл бұрын

I agree with your very first sentence. But the second sentence is definitely not true, and from our many exchanges on this page it is not true of you. You continue the downplay the systematic nature and egregiousness of the crimes against humanity committed by the Ethiopians and the Eritreans. You even go so far as to call it "self-defense." Widespread crimes against humanity are not acts of self-defense. Given how widespread these crimes are, the governments must be held responsible for them. It would be foolish to think that they're not aware, acquiescing, or even supporting these actions. For months, the Ethiopian and Eritrean governments denied that Eritrean troops were even involved in the conflict. It wasn't until footage and credible reports emerged to the contrary that they finally admitted it. Multiple human rights organizations, including Amnesty International, have published reports detailing how entire villages have been burnt to the ground. These crimes have been systematic. According to Amnesty International, civilians have been singled out and slaughtered on a mass scale. At one monastery - a monastery, for goodness sake! -- in 2021, more than 100 civilians were slaughtered. At another cathedral in 2020, hundreds of civilians were slaughtered by Eritreans. Ethiopians are also believed to have been behind the razing of two UN refugee camps. Aid workers have been expelled from Ethiopia. Other human rights reports have detailed the mass "violation" of women and girls (as I said before, I can't use the real word for this crime on KZfaq, but everyone knows what I mean). Videos have emerged showing troops burning civilians alive. Some reports even detail how troops celebrate and display the severed heads and body parts of their victims. None of these are acts of self-defense. They are crimes against humanity. Genocide may be hard to prove (because, by some legal accounts, it requires proven intent to wipe out a population in whole or in part) but it is certainly not far-fetched to use that word. And I wouldn't be surprised to hear NGOs and IGOs, or even governments, use it in describing this conflict at some point. In any case, the Ethiopians and Eritreans deserve substantial responsibility for making this the single worst humanitarian crisis in the world.

@spazzpeddlerclosing Жыл бұрын

the whole thing needs to end ...here is the ONLY FACTS U OR I NEED. listen yall. italy warred n exploited ethos. for many years. things were done between these neighbors while one was under THE THUMB .. so bad things were done ok..back n forth this cant be blamed on either..only italy. WW2 ...ETHOS was made ruler over ERITA... damn. then WE CAN TAKE A NAP because we all know these neighbors were BEING PUNISHED by people who wanted them to die already. including my country which was something that we cant even tell people about its so bad. these neighbors more so ERITA was is A SUPERSTAR country...ETHOS is too..but is FAMOUS YOU SEE...SO.. it has a ego with it. but its also a victim of the DEMOCRACY. theres the story

@reekiebarsisback1670 Жыл бұрын

Have watched your show and the Michael Brooks Show for many years and appreciate your coverage. But this guy ain't it. Somehow the go- to guy for every western press outlet as an authority on this conflict despite being widely regarded across Ethiopia and the wider region as being a partisan and bitter mouthpiece for the previous TPLF led ethnocentric autocracy in Ethiopia. Hope you get some more folks from Ethiopia on and get some other perspectives, and some more historical context, please

@gabrielazki Жыл бұрын

I really hope you invite somone on the show to present the other sides argument. This guy is not exactly a non-partisan arbiter of this conflict. There are so many things missing from his analysis. Not saying it was wrong to invite him on, but there are other ways to analyze this conflict.

@Draxtor Жыл бұрын

Please elaborate because I can’t see another side

@oooo-gj3en Жыл бұрын

@@Draxtor read my comment ,,, I added summary event from the Ethiopian perspective. I’ve tried to include relevant reporting sources instead of just mentioning events as I understood them.

@Saucytom Жыл бұрын

@@Draxtorthey don’t tell you the political group that we’re leading the country for 30 years and got overthrown and had control of most of the armory and decided to take things to their own hands and attack a federal base and basically declare war on the federal government.

@gregoryodonnell3793 Жыл бұрын

@@Saucytom He mentions that at 11:30 in the video. He says that the TPLF fired the first shot in the same way that Poland fired the first shot in WW2. That didn't make Poland responsible for WW2 or the atrocities committed by the Axis Powers. And in this case, it does not in any way excuse the widespread and severe human rights violations by Ethiopian forces. There is no doubt that the actions of the Ethiopian forces have created the worst humanitarian crisis in the world.

@gregoryodonnell3793 Жыл бұрын

Of course Alex de Waal is a non-partisan observer. Are you suggesting that he's being paid by one side? Where is the evidence for that?

@tamimeskel2189 Жыл бұрын

If this is a neutral media you would invited from the Ethiopian and eritrean government spokesman to argue their case but you are bios it dosent matter i feel soory for my self for westing my time to hear you

@Tribuneoftheplebs Жыл бұрын

There is no more independent media in Ethiopia. Its all controlled by PP

@ACECLAN9000 Жыл бұрын

Just delete this please and not allow people to spew conspiracies without any evidence

@weyegood Жыл бұрын

It would have been good to have invited someone to challenge his venomous anti-Ethiopia rhetoric.

@seaethio Жыл бұрын

Luckily less than 3000 ppl have seen this but the lies in this interview and the ignoring of so many important facts about this conflict are astonishing. Shame on you @TMR

@hannahhabtu6697 Жыл бұрын

What were the lies?

@Lemlem7682 Жыл бұрын

This is not a lie but the truth...

@0MVR_0 Жыл бұрын

@@hannahhabtu6697 the relation to Poland

@5MiLLEsayasAforkis Жыл бұрын

How can you be a journalist, not realize that Alex is one sided, as if Tigray had no role in this situation, example occupying Eritrea territory even after international agreements, their management in Ethiopia for 27t years, thief attack on the Ethiopian army base. Have a balance.

@seneshawasress6940 Жыл бұрын

Can’t stand listening more than 4 minutes after Alex De Wal started his usual insultingly stupid lies.

@angeerkihun Жыл бұрын

Wow this is such a misleading analysis of the issues. Aby Ahmed is no saint but they Tigray leaders have oppressed the majority of Ethiopians for 30 years.

@Alex-cw3rz Жыл бұрын

Okay I was fully taking him for the benefit of the doubt until he made up this utter nonsense about soldiers not even knowing they were in a battle who hadn't been trained and the force just surrendered, this is ridiculous. The 136,000 number I discovered was not true as I could only find one blog post claiming this, at first I thought honest mistake, now I realise he's just not being honest. This conflict seems horrible, but I don't understand why he is l ying?

@grmpEqweer Жыл бұрын

So where are you getting your information about this conflict from?

@grmpEqweer Жыл бұрын

Part of what he mentioned is quashing of news sources. Soooo.

@Alex-cw3rz Жыл бұрын

@@grmpEqweer the only thing I'm disagreeing with him on is military training of ethipia something he has no education on and the fact that there is no source of the field marshals saying 136,000 casualties. His descriptions of the rest I have not disagreed about.

@willsofer3679 Жыл бұрын

@@Alex-cw3rz That's not what "W1erdThOughts" asked. He asked what sources you are using. This is a professor of law and public policy at Tufts University (one of the best universities in the world), and the Executive Director of the World Peace Foundation (WPF). To say he "has no education on [this]" is a bit... much. I find it hard to believe he made that up, whole-cloth. Whose blog did you find? Because sometimes blogs are written by experts. An absence of extensive coverage in popular media does not mean someone is necessarily "lying" about something, especially when the discussion may be more confined to policy experts, and academia.

@Alex-cw3rz Жыл бұрын

@@willsofer3679 the blog was written by Alex De Waal himself. Just type it in you'll see the only person who has ever said 136,000 is Alex De Waal.

@okay3506 Жыл бұрын

The war affected all ethiopians but mainly tigryans thats' why alex covered it. The Ethiopian government is cruel and the TPLF wants only power and betrayed the tigryan people. The war is a reflection on how cruel ethiopians can be even though they are religious.

@marzero116 Жыл бұрын

I fear I may be suffering Gell-Mann Amnesia.... I have never been more disappointed in MR

@derejezewdu8069 Жыл бұрын

Alex De Waal...you are still misinforming people. Haileselase is Oromo but he is against your UK divide and rule. Alex is shameless even he forgot what he said 2 months ago....for your record please go back and listen his toxic interviews. Alex needs Ethiopia to be divided but he can not learn from Histroy. WE ARE ETHIOPIANS AND WE WILL CONTINUE INDEPENDENT....Swallow the truth.

@hallonamaste9314 Жыл бұрын

Alex de wall is z tplf tigrays spokeperson himself. He is very far away from beeing impartial and neutral. He is a tplf mouthpiece

@gloryboyzzshit9260 Жыл бұрын

Tigray troops lost almost million soldiers the federal government close to 400 thousand I think the Eritrea same, the first week invasion of shiraro cause them casualties unheard in the history of wars

@gezhagne408 Жыл бұрын

Get your numbers correct. This is not a lottery Tigre lost close to 478.000 and Ethiopia 36. 000. It might not be 100 % but it is very close. The information was leaked by a former high ranking ethiopian intelligence officer who become an asylum seeker in America 4 months ago.

@maereg7308 Жыл бұрын

My question is why 8 countries they involve in this genocide?????

@Saucytom Жыл бұрын

An entire country would not got to war over hatred over an ethnic group, Sam did not press him at all did sam do any background research???? And the border war was a border war not over a town, Tplf’s Ethiopia wanted to control more land in Eritrea. Eritrea had no choice but to continue the war. Until the Algiers agreement that Tplf’s Ethiopia refused to implement the un border. Abiy government signed that border deal and allowed open borders again.

@_non_zero_sum_game8958 Жыл бұрын

Something that needs to be mentioned is the TPLF are extreamly unpopular due to their authoritarian rule over the past 30 years and though the majority of atrocities commited are by current government of Abiy Ahmed, many of the atrocities are committed by the TPLF and their allied militias as well. In answer to Sam's question about how the Ethiopian government is able to mobilize so many people young people, to their war effort, 1) unpopularity of the TPLF 2) tribalism 3) Abiy has been able to weaponize a false narrative of foreigners trying to meddle in the affairs of Ethiopia through their support of the TPLF. It's a narrative that draws on Ethiopias history of resistance to foreign domination. The last thing i would like to mention is the TPLF has found success on the battle field because a majority of the military had been monopolized by Tigrayans. When the tigrayans split from the military, what was left was a majority of inexperienced officers and soldiers.

@wks8745 Жыл бұрын

de Waal fails to admit this war in Ethiopia is western US enabled proxy war via TPLF on dismantling 🇪🇹🙏🏽! Yes many are prepared to die to protect their country & that is what de Waal is avoiding to admit! The warmongers TPLFMafia & enablers internally & externally must go! TPLF embezzled 🇪🇹 for 30 yrs!

@_non_zero_sum_game8958 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for focusing on this conflict. there just isn't enough media attentio on whats happening in Ethiopia.

@moodycxnt Жыл бұрын

For anyone interested, about 80% of the pushback on this interview in the comments are from accounts that have never posted on MR videos before though there is actually a bit of pushback from some long-term listeners too so keep that in mind.

@Saucytom Жыл бұрын

It’s cuz Alex is a biased journalist, you can tell by the way he exaggerates his version of what’s going on. This was a war on a rouge political party that attacked a federal base.

@hannahhabtu6697 Жыл бұрын

@@Saucytom there has been a war on civilians too!

@gregoryodonnell3793 Жыл бұрын

Yes, but what is the nature of the pushback? First of all, you can find some comments on MR videos defending Russia's actions in Ukraine. That doesn't make Russia right. Secondly, it is suspicious in itself that dozens of accounts have suddenly swarmed the MR comment section for the first time. Thirdly, I had considerable familiarity with this conflict well before listening to this conversation, and I had no objection to anything de Waal said. Fourthly, how can anyone justify the information blackout created by the Ethiopian government? If they nothing to hide, why prevent journalists from going in and why expel aid workers? We all know the answer. Fifthly, how can anyone justify the widespread and egregious atrocities committed by Ethiopia forces, some of which are even captured on tape (by no means the only in the conflict, but certainly pervasive in the conflict and done with complete impunity)? No one can justify roasting human beings alive.

@gregoryodonnell3793 Жыл бұрын

@@Saucytom First of all, de Waal is not a journalist. Secondly, why exactly would he be biased? Give me a reason. Does he have any personal connection to the region? No. Is he being paid off? Possibly, but you would need evidence for that claim, and I'm not aware of any. So, why is he biased?

@gregoryodonnell3793 Жыл бұрын

@moodycxnt You can present dozens of perspective on any conflict. But what perspective justifies the burning of human beings alive or the shooting of unarmed men? You can find videos of these crimes online. CNN has even analyzed them, which you can also find easily. The people who are committing these crimes (by no means the only in the conflict) are speaking Amharic and wearing Ethiopian uniforms. No perspective can justify that, whether they are longtime viewers of this program or not (and I highly doubt that anyone who supports this program, which tends to attract people of conscience, would try to justify it anyway).

@dumerakesar6131 Жыл бұрын

This person has wrong information

@madbasto5857 Жыл бұрын

He's paid

@spazzpeddlerclosing Жыл бұрын

i cannot believe you all did this..thank you . a few weeks ago i really was planning something massive to help them as myself being as it were..black. but the USA hitjob i would have to do to be honest with the world..and do these african countries as a whole a service was daunting..its so dire though i couldnt not think my death in service to their current state survival couldnt be out of the picture. but somalia..congo etc are subject today to genocide from specific western places AND china specifically in MINING. its being ignored tho..theres a FAMINE during the world cup..OH YEAH....totally dont care about soccer anymore sooo.... AND YOUR guest SHOULD OF BEEN OF THE RACE OF THE PEOPLE THERE SAM... geez no one u could get that was ..idk...THERE? FROM THERE?.. i still like yall but HS!!

@happyprogressivepoop1422 Жыл бұрын

Nothing like having a white dude tell us about the conflict.

@TheOldSchoolGamer93 Жыл бұрын

It's pretty typical for professors who study a subject to share their insight. Idk why him being white makes it different

@happyprogressivepoop1422 Жыл бұрын

@@TheOldSchoolGamer93 there are no Professors from Eritrea I guess.

@echolocationn Жыл бұрын

@@TheOldSchoolGamer93 You're talking to one of Alabama Man's alt accounts.

@echolocationn Жыл бұрын

Alabama Man said, "I have never seen a lie nor child that I didn't want to ravish."

@happyprogressivepoop1422 Жыл бұрын

@@echolocationn you're obsession with Alabama Man is funny and sad.

@atease9087 Жыл бұрын

THERE IS A WAR ON ETHIOPIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH IN ETHIOPIA BY ETHIOPIAN GOVERNMENT

@Tribuneoftheplebs Жыл бұрын

Good. The church did nothing for Tigray so it can burn to the ground

@Sanchezzi90 Жыл бұрын

Sam mentioned that there are no friends of the show who could speak on this but Michael's friend Milton Alimadi is very knowledgeable about African politics and could help advise them no?

@billybigwig1154 Жыл бұрын

Left is best.

@st.peterunner8758 Жыл бұрын

Rastafar I

@Lemlem7682 Жыл бұрын

Thank you, Professor Alex. Thank you for speaking the truth and for being a voice for the voiceless. I'm amazed by your standfsnd and strength and courage. Even though you get so much hate and backlash against you, you stand with the people of Tigray who are suffering and being genocide... Thank you so much, and may the LORD JESUS bless you 🙏

@aleaiacetaest9132 Жыл бұрын

Your truth probably 😂 but not THE truth

@ernestkhalimov1007 Жыл бұрын

Prof Alex is capping

@tewekdenahom485 Жыл бұрын

wrong and blind

@spazzpeddlerclosing Жыл бұрын

he didnt mention italy not liking one of these two places....and how they tried peace deals themself.. but we jelly we smelly we SHOT EM IN THE BELLY. go look it up

@ilijeganu273 Жыл бұрын

@@tewekdenahom485 you neftegnas are pure evil, literally Habesha Nazis

@gregoryodonnell3793 Жыл бұрын

For anyone surprised by the number of negative comments on this page, don't be. It happens every time someone criticizes the atrocities committed by Ethiopian forces. To maintain perspective (and sanity) on this issue, ask yourself some basic questions. First of all, why on earth would Alex de Waal have an agenda here? And why is de Waal's perspective the same as that of every reputable human rights organization in the world, including Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch? Secondly, if Ethiopia has nothing to hide, why did they expel aid workers, and why do they prevent journalists from investigating the conflict themselves? Thirdly, how can anyone justify the widespread atrocities committed by the Ethiopian forces (to be sure, there are some on the other side as well, but those committed by Ethiopia are still pervasive and done with impunity)? Some of them are even caught on video, which you can find online. How can anyone justify the burning of human beings while they're still alive? Of course, nothing can. It's inexcusable.

@oooo-gj3en Жыл бұрын

No one denies the suffering of our ppl in Tigray No one denies the suffering of our ppl in Afar and Amhara region at the hands of TPLF It just begs the question why would anyone be so triggered by request for more reporting on this issue SO THAT the SPIN which tries to paint the insurrection by the TPLF rebel group was justified as opposed to recognizing it as the root cause of this chaos.

@gregoryodonnell3793 Жыл бұрын

Again, you continue to use frivolous words in what is perhaps the most serious discussion anyone could have. In another thread, you used "lol" in response to my comment; in this thread, you use the term "triggered." These words betray how unseriously you think about this whole conflict. If you want to say that I am "triggered" by the most egregious war crimes imaginable, then so be it. Again, no one has said that the TPLF is innocent, but they are also not "the root cause of this chaos," because, and I'm tired of telling you this, nothing , absolutely nothing, can "cause" the atrocities committed by the Ethiopians and Eritreans other than the Ethiopians and the Eritreans themselves. No one can "cause" an army to commit some of the most widespread and brutal atrocities in the entire world -- including burning civilians alive, slaughtering and decapitating scores of unarmed people, expelling aid workers from the country, "violating" women on a mass scale, and systematically razing infrastructure and buildings that provide basic necessities to ordinary people. All of this has been reported by the UN and Amnesty International, and no one is responsible for it other than the Ethiopians and the Eritreans.

@0MVR_0 Жыл бұрын

@gregoryodonnell3793 The agenda would be to weaken African states, particularly those courting Chinese interest, to answer your question. Ask yourself how difficult finding a person from the area is, so that even if there is a hidden agenda, some portion of the truth is preserved rather than filtered through academic formality.

@gregoryodonnell3793 Жыл бұрын

@@0MVR_0 That's a bold hypothesis. As the saying goes, anything is possible. In order for a claim to be true, however, rather than merely possible, it needs to be supported by evidence. Do you have any evidence at all? Your own suspicions are not evidence. The UN, Amnesty International, and Human Rights Watch would have to have the same agenda as well, since their reports confirm much of what de Waal says here. Also, I don't know what your second sentence is insinuating. Are you suggesting that this program has an agenda to weaken African states? I will pay you the compliment of assuming that I have misunderstood you, because that would be so absurd that I would struggle to take you seriously.

@henokabera5356 Жыл бұрын

Alex would have an agenda because he support the democrats who are partners of the TPLF and every sane human being knows the UN is a supporting partner of TPLF for gods sake Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus is the head of the WHO and also an active member of TPLF USA who never gives a fuck about the human right abuse by the TPLF while they were in power for thirty years when they raped a women by a stick or inspersion young people or kill journalists suddenly care about the freedom of Ethiopians when a real pan-African leader who brought peace to the horn of Africa and oppose your neocolonialism fuck you and fuck all this international medias ecosystem ETHIOPIA WILL PREVAIL

@Lemlem7682 Жыл бұрын

What happened to Tigray people is horrifying, and Nightmare, it's like a Hora movie and I had a nightmares for so many months I couldn't sleep I couldn't eat it was terrifying that any human being would be treated this way in 2022 and the world just watching when Tigray people Sufferer! Can you imagine living without electric and telephone service and no internet or food medications? No bank service. At the same time, you're being attacked by a drone.. For us who read and watch all this, we have been traumatized forever!

@aleaiacetaest9132 Жыл бұрын

They shouldn’t have attacked that army base, the 800 Amhara seasonal workers and shot missiles towards two Amhara cities and Asmara the capital of Eritrea 🥴 I bet they were sooo sure they will get the needed help without tanks and troops as usual, but it backfired didn’t it 😂

@danielmulue3595 Жыл бұрын

Alex de waal, explained it brilliantly, this war was a genocidal act and it should remember as such.

@Saucytom Жыл бұрын

Says a tigrayan that supports Tplf lol

@0MVR_0 Жыл бұрын

all war is genocidal as intent, or perhaps you would wait until the opponent could gather himself and rearm his sword to preserve the honor of a just fight.

@madbasto5857 Жыл бұрын

Call foul play when you're the aggressor and been in power for how long?

@matthewg8922 Жыл бұрын

I'm not Ethiopian but I'm an American that has visited Ethiopia several times. I can tell you everything this Alex guy is saying is biased. He mixes in his opinion and ideas with the facts. Don't listen to this guy. TPLF started the war by attacking the Ethiopian army base in Tigray and the national army responded appropriately with force. War crimes were committed on all sides. Nobody was 100% the good guy. This guy is a joke. Do your own research. Visit Ethiopia and visit different regions. Ethiopia is a great place to vacation. Everyone is welcoming and helpful.