I am now really confused. I was about to buy the Sony FE 24mm f/2.8 for my sony A7iii. But now you make me think about the Samyang 24mm f/1.8 . 🤔 Now,help me out😄, give me a straight forward suggestion...

thanks, I thought of some comparisons and more targetted as a review only for the samyang. It didnt occur to me to do a full all out comparison, will consider when I do a 24mm compare with the three I have.

@@CharlieVNYeah gotta say with your title I was expecting more info and shots of the sony

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Optics quality not as good

@@yutumedia I suppose a comparison at the same T-stop is in order Maybe the GM at f/2 and the samyang at f/1.8, whatever is necessary to make the exposure equal

I totally agree. I actually compared it with my Sony 28-60 kit lens and noticed that samyang is darker and also lot more vignetting compared to 28-60 when shot both at F8. I also noticed that my 28-60 is a bit sharper as well. So I am confused with all the reviews that say samyang is exceptionally sharp. It’s either my copy of lens is not very sharp or the 28-60 exceptionally sharper

Glad I could help, no wrong choices, the samyang does make things a bit more interesting

I dont have the viltrox, but I did a quick look at the MTF charts. Wide open, Samyang is a tad sharper in the center, midframe, and beyond, the samyang has significant advantage in contrast, resolution and CA, viltrox has quite a bit towards the edges and corners. Stopped down, the Viltrox is a little better than the Samyang wide open, and samyang at f8 is extremely high level. That said, even if the viltrox is not super sharp stopped down, even matching the samyang should give you very satisfactory results. You can have a lens not super sharp and still perform well for astro, and in general, so I wouldnt judge it purely on the MTF's, but if super sharpness/landscapes are your thing, the Samyang is clearly next level based on MTF's. I havent owned the lens, let me reiterate, just translating :)

@@CharlieVN thank you!!!

I use 24 for my young kids that have to be within arms length, they still allow me to take photos of them, and perspective adds to the fun factor, as they go older, I will be going back to 35mm. As for particular 24, I use the 24 compact G most of the time due to low intimidation factor and easy to carry. 35, I'm the same way with the 35f2.8 ZA.... that said, if you dont mind the weight, the 24GM/35GM are astounding lenses (400/500g). The samyang 24 f1.8 is also extremely good, the only reason I decided to stick with sony was for the consistent sizing and 49mm filters, no doubt the lesser SY 24 is optically better. When it comes to 35, I would stick with sony f1.8 over samyang, simply for the close focus factor, it comes in really handy. kids 0-7yr, 24mm works good, 4+yrs 35mm works good, simply basing that opinion on my five kids 😅.

Glad you enjoyed! KZfaq is hard, and I wasnt putting much effort in my videos, now that I'm closing in on 1K, I'm putting in the work to create more informative videos and be myself more, not so boring.

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well yes, the GM is stopped down a bit and brightens up. the samyang is quite close to true T-stop, I have the sigma 24 f2 as well, and the samyang was brighter I think, will have to check the raws again, but they were done outdoors instead.

each simply zeroed out on manual, I should have matched them better

it's about as loud as the 35 from what I recall

I have a comparison of the sigma Samyang on my channel somewhere

@@CharlieVN You only have 20 videos and I cannot see it..?

@@ekphotography check the videos tab, have one a hundred 😅. Here’s the lens playlist kzfaq.info/sun/PLeS27WqxsF3_WYMElT2Vr7mFZZmqQxjho and specific video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m72kec57nqiRlI0.html

Samyang 35mm f1.8, sometimes I use the ZA 35 f2.8 as well. My older video uses the 24gm in a lot of the videos, it's certainly easier to work with 24, but now since I boom my mic and lights, it's harder to position with a 24 because it's so wide.

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Then I'd advise not to go full frame. Long story short - full frame will give you less depth of field. Nothing gives quite as much 'everything in focus' as a tiny smartphone sensor and tiny lens entrance pupil size.

@@FrankyFeedler That’s a sweeping generalization and it’s going to depend on the aperture of said lens - which isn’t variable on a smartphone. For instance the iPhone 13 Pro is about a 1.5. It’s physically impossible to have everything in focus because it’s so shallow. But cropped sensor cameras I can look into. But you can absolutely use a full frame camera without having a super shallow depth of field.

@@switchunboxing I know it is a generalization, hence the “long story short”. No need to lecture, since I was specifically trying to avoid that towards you. But if you want to get technical, the f/1.5 aperture you mention only makes sense if you also mention the roughly 5mm (24mm “ff equivalent”) lens. Since the only factor that *directly* influences depth of field is the entrance pupil diameter, in terms of equivalency your iPhone’s camera “wide open” is equivalent to an actual 24mm lens stuck at between f8 and f11 on FF. Conversely, I can set my 24mm lens to f/1.4 which would take your iPhone f/0.28 to achieve. So again, long story short, full frame makes it easier to decrease depth of field, not increase it. There’s a reason why iPhones need the fake background blur where FF does not. If you want massive depth of field, a smaller sensor helps. The smaller the sensor and lens, the less you have to stop down to achieve the same result. And yes, crop sensor would take roughly f/5.6 or f/8 to achieve iPhone DoF, so that will already help.

I got this for my a7c and haven't really felt the need for 20 1.8 The price just makes the it default choice for me. If you want to go wider, you can think about samyang 18 2.8 which is even cheaper and lighter. On a7c every single gram counts.

@@MoonStruckHorrorsX thank you! Appreciate the advice, will be looking forward to lore videos, subscribed 😊

you can go even cheaper to get a feel for things, the 24mm f2.8, you can find on the used market for $150 or so, and it's a nice lens, and on full frame, it can easily create nice background blur. The sony will be a better vlogging lens however, 20mm is a bit wide for a "standard" lens, many feel that even 24 is a bit wide for a "standard" lens. I like to keep things small and lightweight so I dont hate myself. For my talking head videos, I used to use the 24GM, but now I'm actually using a 35mm, as it gives a more professional vibe. For travel videos/photos 18/35 worked great, 24 alone also works for me. Last international trip in 2019, I brought two cameras, 16-50 crop lens for gimbal,cv21, 24, 28, 35, 28-75, 50, ended up using the 24/35 f2.8 for most days, I would pick one based on destination and roll with it. hopefully I can go again next summer, and it's feeling like a 24 f1.8 + 28-60 combo will be my main lenses, maybe the 90 f2.8 that sigma will announce tomorrow. Went on a trip last year with the 24GM, got some amazing photos, not gonna lie, but I did not like lugging it around. had the SY 85 f1.4 there with me too, and again, didnt like lugging around all that weight. SY 24 f1.8 + 90 f2.8 would cut the weight in half.... SY 24 f2.8 + 28-60 would cut the weight in half again lol....

@@CharlieVN thank you for the detailed reply. Samyangs seem like no brainers for a beginner like me, and the prize is hard to beat. Split between picking up a couple of samyangs or getting the Sigma 24-70. Sony 35 is lower on the list now 😆

@@namikpaul7505 sigma 24-70 has dust issue

yeah, I agree, same with the 24GM, I do have a pair of the 24 f2.8’s I use for camera comparisons, keep the GM for mostly photography.

Yes, when he said it was hard to tell the difference... I thought maybe sarcasm. Looks half a stop brighter with the Sony.

GM for sure

I was expecting 35 f1.8 or 45 f1.8 levels of performance....... well, Samyang exceeded those expectations, they really should have marketed this lens the same way Sigma did with their Art series, it's a slightly higher class than the previous lenses, however due to the trademark accents, it looks nearly the same. Missed opportunity IMO, everything came together on this lens.

@@CharlieVN as they progress the lenses seem to be getting better , the 35 & 75 I tried out recently were really nice . as soon as I can afford this lens its gonna be in my kit as im loving this focal length for my work .

@Aron J Anderson I would have to try it as I like a compact system too

I don’t know, maybe I’ll compare one day if they send me one.

if that 20 was around when I got the 24GM....... it goes both ways lol. I guess life happens for a reason, I had a 24 f1.4 during my DSLR days, never really got along with it, tried again with the GM, and it finally clicked, and I am thankful for that. I'm unsure of its future, but I'll keep it around for a while to see where it leads me. There are no sure lenses, and even the SY 24 is not perfect, but a great middle of the road option. if purely IQ and look of the images, the GM would be it for me, every time despite not perfectly sharp, the overall look is simply amazing outside of test charts.

The 24 GM is definitely up to the current GM standards. Maybe you are thinking about some other lens?

@@DjimmyTrovy I wonder who brought that thought into the world as well .. been reading it on a couple of places even though the 24gm is a modern classic and while not the most sensible option price-wise, is still 'unbeaten' across the board 24/1.4-wise.

What? The 24mm GM is still one of the best lenses they’ve ever made.

The Sony, 24mm,f/1.4, gm was the first prime lens I bought and while expensive is the unequivocal best lens I have ever owned. It is quite a lens and I don’t think it has any handicaps whatsoever. I am having a hard time believing that the Samyang 24mm, f1.8 can render the same sharpness across the frame at 1/3 the price(~$400 usd) in Sept 2023, and nearly half the size. Understanding that the Samyang, 24mm, f1.8 can’t do f1.4 are there others who own both and would concur in practical use when the Sony 24mm, f1.4, gm is stopped down to f1.8 the Samyang matches or outperforms it?

indeed, great lenses all around

I'd rather keep Samyang on the newer body (as the autofocus will be snappier), GM will be better in autofocus in any Sony body over Samyang.

@Princeton_James I own a Sony, 24mm,f1.4,gm and am also looking to pick up the Samyang 24mm, f1.8 for a second smaller set up shooter. The reviews are sterling on the Samyang but would you concur it matches or even exceeds the Sony, 24mm, gm, f1.4 in real world use when the Sony lens is stopped down to f1.8?

never thought of the opposite 😅

@@CharlieVN yeah, it threw me off but I love the video!🔥

Could be my eyes, not the youngest kid on the block 😅. There are some areas where the GM is sharper, watch in 4K and freeze frame and make your decisions 🙂

@@CharlieVN only in the center of the frame the samyang holds good, but everything else, you can see it in the fine grey structure, the GM easily wins. But hey i´ve orderd this Lens so i will test it out on my own 60 MP Sony A7r4 we will see, thank you for your test, i will give here a feedback this week, greetings from Germany!

@@CharlieVN hi again, my lens is arrived and wow it ist really sharp! The JPEGS out of my A7R4 are fantasticly sharp - BUT i don´t see this in RAW... i have to test and check it out... And on the maximum minimum focus distancing the pictures are NOT sharp, but everything else is really impressive! :D

not sure how I missed this, how is the focus on this generation of camera? definitely, mfd is soft

Exactly

@@8knz People who do deep space astro seem to prefer 85mm anyway, but I like the night sky in relation to the landscape I'm shooting from. So I just do a three-shot panorama and have it big enough to crop for best effect... It sure is more work tho!

They have an 18/1.8 .. quite nice.

Sorry about that, working on it

honestly.... it's great, other than not being able to create GM level blur, I like the lens, and a keeper.

sigma contemporary is a good example of inexpensive yet premium feel. rubber accents here and there make all the difference. aside from the appearance of the lens, shockingly high performance. I bought it as a travel companion to the 24GM, considering if I need the GM at all…. it’s that darn good.

@@CharlieVN totally agree, I actually thought about returning it because it felt too cheap. Then, I felt ashamed for judging the lens by its appearance!! its so damn sharp, and is one of my favorite lens. sharpness is way up there, on par with sony 85 1.8!

@@hukumongdu good call, people can be so shallow

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