Sup cj

Wow bro u created that account just to comment this shit?

@@solidturtle6910 fr i barely even noticed 😂

Same

it called role play

He didnt shoot the ballas

@@fsmfiat yup. I believe strongly that Ryder wasn't meant to betray us with Smoke. He always helped grove with guns and shit. But Smoke missions never helped the groove and we never knew what we were helping him with.

The mission for him are labeled "BS"

@@xPhantom_404x bs means Ballas ?

@@xPhantom_404x B-ig S-moke

one can agree with this up until you think of the 20 min long introduction to the game. Smoke told Ryder about his big plan and Ryder went in on it. I highly doubt MC Eiht came back to record this dialogue cuz if he did then i’m sure he would have done the same for the mission “pier 69” while at it. I personally think that had MC not backed down, Ryder would have stuck by CJ faking their friendship to a much further extent in the game up until he felt he was ready to backstab him and join Smoke at his side. this topic is highly debatable due to the amount of loyalty Ryder hints all throughout the first quarter of the game.

Honestly, i think cj already knew ryder was suspicious, he said nothing probably because he knew it before

@@tharegular the introduction came out after the game was out

Ryder was always harsh towards cj but I first found out big smoke betrayed them when the did the drive thru mission and big smoke dismissed Ryder.

Ryders voice actor left early, he wasn't meant to be an enemy but rockstar had no choice to do so because of limited options. Wish he stuck around to get revenge Ryder was an amazing character

True. And so Ryder ended up playing both sides here

Where's the proof.

No ryder was always talking about how he was better and more intelligent than everybody else, he was established as an unlikable character from the beginning, usually that is a clue that they are not on your side.

@@andrechris6518 Notice how CJ only talks about Smoke being a snake, and not Ryder

@@navv739 Yea but I've never heard Mc Eiht say he left during development. Ever. So it just doesn't make sense.

Nah the road from the hospital back to grove street 😂

@@chief_tenkaichi That depends if you drive down the side of the freeway wall and up the off-ramp, or go up the hill and across the bridge.

Facts my nigga

Facts lol

U mean money over family

@@adrianalagon1695 always choose money, but not fame

@@dylanram4653 no always choose family

@@sm1th360 if im goimg to choose one thing to go for its always money, forget thw rest

DOM TORRETO

We did the Lost and the Damned DLC just to see Johnny get curb stomped in five seconds.

GTA SA and GTA V are in different universes - Characters from SA like CJ, Big Smoke, Ryder and Sweet don't exist in GTA 5 - it's only referenced as an easter egg or just a 'nod' to SA. What happened in GTA SA, stayed in GTA SA.

@@rlfpotatoking9253 So the director confirmed this?

@@CS_GOD64 Yes, The GTA Games are split into universes - the 2D universe consisting of the 2D GTA's like GTA 1, London and 2. 3D universe: GTA 3, VC, SA, LCS, VCS and HD universe: GTA 4, 5 and Chinatown Wars. Dan Houser the co founder of Rockstar said in an interview: "The move to HD created a schism in this fictional universe, rendering CJ, Toni and co, as mythical characters from a bygone era" meaning that old characters from the older games don't really exist in the newer games - only references / easter eggs will be referred to them.

Riiiiiiight I noticed that too 🙄🙄🙄😩

Because his VA quit midway so they had to change the story.

@@mutedsamuel 0: for real... he betreyed rockstar and the player? *bruh*

@@mrnohax5436 Ryder was the busta the whole time

@@redvice6210 Nah his voice actor was a busta.. 🤦‍♂️ Left the family hanging to do some other sh*t

@@mrnohax5436 The Voice Actor of Ryder quit because he declared that Rockstar didn't paid him enough for the work he was doing, the same goes to the voice actor of CJ and this is why CJ doesn't show up in any other future GTA's

Mostly, would have been killed protecting CJ in this mission.

He would've died in this mission

Is he dead ?

Lmao

nah rockstar is. they didnt pay the voice actor for ryder enough so he quit

The real busta

@@RandomPerson-ui3xv Why not just have him killed off in this mission? Why did they make him a traitor?

@@urosstankovic3498 like i said,the voice actor left so they had to make him a traitor to kill him off.

Brian was CJ's brother (he had 3 siblings; Sweet, Kendl, and Brian)

Brian was like 12 or 14 when he died.

Yes would have love it

@@LennoxParsec really?

Maybe we can play as little devil or big devil 😭😭

Does that car suck that much?

Same here :

Ryder wasn’t supposed to betray but his voice actor quit so they had to change the story. It was supposed to be smoke only, that’s why CJ only brings up smokes name when speaking about the betrayal

I love CJ he was the real OG he was the one down to do hella shit he a real gangsta

I'll never look at Ryder as a snake

Ryder is my favorite character ❤️❤️❤️❤️

The Ryder isn't supposed to be a traitor is true. The voice actor of Ryder has to left the contract (i really don't know for sure, but it is says that he has some conflict). Beside, it makes sense that Ryder isn't a traitor. His mission is indeed helping Grove Street (rather than Big Smoke missions). So yeah, actually it makes sense that Ryder didn't say a word while in pier 69. And yeah, on the script of The Green Sabre, that's why Ryder didn't get mentioned, because it's out of script.

I think you're on the right track, but I doubt Hernandez would go that far. More likely, he was uncomfortable with the entire situation and so he deliberately found a reason to extract himself from it.

@@w.torech5967 I think Hernandez was isnt that why Tenpenny kills him and says "you sold us out"

okay but this is also gta sa so i doubt they put that much thought into one little thing

@@ATF-US Well, I don’t. Who knows. I know its an old game anyway, but he’s doing that or wanted to excuse himself from them for a bit. But still to this day I have my doubts, and that’s fine.

@@w.torech5967 Hm…that would make sense too.

Same

I just pretend Ryder was killed off by big smoke off screen since he was never meant to be a traitor anyways

Ryder was never meant to be a traitor so don’t feel too bad, just pretend like he died in a heroic way.

we all realised that 15 years ago

@@dougwillis5069 I realised it yesterday :(

and Truth was voiced by the late Peter Fonda..

Its just a whole mood

Yàaa

Ryder helped you during the robbing

Lol do your research

Because he literally wasn't meant to be a traitor stupid lol they didn't even mention his name during the cutscene with him and Smoke

Because his missions involved helping the GSFs… And in the Drive Thru mission, he was shooting at the Ballas and got pissed at Smoke for not doing so.

Well he wasn't supposed to be a traitor but the voice actor left mid game so they had to kill his character

Ryder was not supposed to be a traitor, the voice actor is decide to leave at the middle of game development

@@soildanimeyt8035 Ryder was originally planned to be one of the supporting characters, but the writers decided it would be best to have him as an antagonist instead, and even tho I wish Ryder wasn't, I do believe that he had all the characteristic attributes of a traitor in nature. He's arrogant, constantly showing jealousy and envy towards CJ, and hes a junkie. Junkies are always willing to do anything amd everything to support their drug habit even if it means selling out their family and friends, and if you pay attention to the story, you'll notice that all of Ryders missions have to do with obtaining weapons and munition crates, and goods, and none of it was for The Grove Street! 😅🤣🤦🏾‍♂

Especially ryder bruv. He was my favorite character

@@BornJamerican dude you're so wise . Are you a psychologist?

Yea he even told Cesar to leave and he was the one that got iut if the car

Wut

If your talking about cj no he didn’t change sides...

@@warhead213 hes talking about smoke

Who changed sides???

But pointless if you need to go to verdant bluffs. Better to follow the railway.

gta iv can

Actually me kinda crazy

Me

Facts just finished watching hints in the story Big smoke will betray CJ from the professional

Yup

that guy makes great content but his voice was always kind of odd to me. he sounds like a 14 year old during puberty with a higher pitched voice and voice cracks and shit but he looks like he is in his early 20's or late teens

George Floyd

damn :(

not Ryder tho

Ryder was doing something for the Grove Ryder was a og until Ballas came in

Ryder was not supposed to betray but his voice actor quit midway so they had to change the story

Ryder wasn’t actually supposed to but they made him anyways

The Original Traitor is Big Smoke

Being very kind is one form of manipulation.

@@blacksmoke6292 yes

"Kind" aint the right word. 'Cunning and Manipulative' is more like it! 😅🤣

@@BornJamerican hehehe

Big Smoke was blinded by Money & Power, that's the main reason. as you noticed when Ryder & Big Smoke came out from the garage, CJ didn't even mention Ryder's name. it is because it's not Rockstar's plan to make Ryder betray them, he is supposed to help CJ. the reason why they changed Ryder's role is because in the middle of development, Ryder's Voice Actor left so they had to make a changes on the storyline of the game..

@@Domzyses if rockstar would’ve been better with their voice actors with better pay and such, they would’ve not had this problem and it would’ve been better if Ryder was an ally from start to finish.. they killed him off in such a dumb way, oh well, still an amazing game, but it could’ve been better :(

The introduction video explains it. It started off with crash guys threatening smoke, but then he got lost in the money and power of dealing drugs and the grove street gang is strictly drug free

It's how the hood works. There are cats like sweet and CJ who are loyal to friends and family without realizing you can be loyal to people who aren't loyal to you. IT is very big problem just because you like someone or you're related to someone doesn't mean they are a good person. Someone being good to you does not make them a good person dig? Then there are the cats like Ryder and smoke who are only really loyal to themselves. Must heavy drug users care more about their highs than anyone else's life. People like smoke are opportunists. After a while, a good opportunist or drug dealer realizes friendships and relationships are more like investments. Some are worth keeping stock in others times it's better to just sell. these are the cats who cut deals and throw others under the bus. It's as simple as having a good business mindset as opposed to being a good person. The long and short of it is there is no honor amongst thieves. gangs are not going to consist of the most loyal and most stable. The trick is to get out.

Cuz ALL WE HAD TO DO WAS FOLLOW THE DAMN TRAIN CJ

yeah i noticed that either...

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@@vaudeville-villain k

Thats bcuz GTA 3 came out before San Andreas. Pagers were popular and still a main trend in 2001. Cellphones didnt become of mainstream popularity until about 2004-2005 which is when San Andreas was released despite the story being set in 1992 lol. Think about it for a sec.

Lol I love flying kitty

CJ you my brother, you my bitch (yeaaah boi)