Timestamps! 0:00 Intro, Joel Haver’s KZfaq Channel 12:53 Joel Haver’s Feature Films 33:38 The Matrix Resurrections (spoilers) 1:12:03 Faces (spoilers) 1:45:15 Pizza Time! I mean Question Time! 1:45:25 What is the best fourth installment in a franchise? 1:48:54 How do you feel about characters that switch out voice actors? 1:52:19 How do you feel about the portrayal of teenage characters going through heavy themes? 2:00:00 The “show, don’t tell” rule is often broken by musicals, etc. Do you think this is a problem? Are there good examples of telling, not showing? 2:06:25 What are your thoughts on Siskel and Ebert? 2:16:29 Adum recommends The Thing (1982) The best fourth installment in a franchise is obviously “Returning to an RPG that you haven’t played in a while”! Good stuff guys.

I'm an avid listener and being invited on was truly surreal! Thanks again for having me fellas

Joel talking about Cassavetes is what I really love to hear in film analysis. He went into the catalogue, hes seen other movies by the director, he shares personal anecdotes about what he connects with and what he reflects on while watching the films and after. Sometimes film analysis on youtube and even the boys here with the Matrix, become too much of a bad movie bashing scene. That is all in good fun, and I can enjoy that too, but Joel's point of view and more detailed opinions can really jump start a great conversation and thoughts. Adam really jumped on that vibe in particular with Faces and shared then his own more detailed responses to the film.

Bazinga! Gets. Me. Every. Single. Time. Adum has been doing it for close to a decade now and I still crack up. Thank you.

Joel was an S tier guest. Would love to see him on again!

Loved hearing from Joel, great guest. I'm looking forward to what Adum thinks of A Woman Under the Influence! It's one of my favorites, and I'm lucky because it's playing at my theater next month.

You know you’ve made something special when Adum likes your movie more than the recommended movie that you picked lol.

i’m 20min into the video but this is by far the most interesting guest you had ever. looking forward to checking out this dude’s work

2:00:00 thank you so much for answering my question! To be more clear on my point, I don’t think it’s a problem at all for musicals to tell rather than show via song. I mainly meant it as a thought experiment on why a writer would rather tell than show. Show don’t tell is more of a guideline than a hard, fast, rule after all. That being said, thank you so much for responding, you guys are the best!

Only half an hour in and so far this is your best guest yet dig this guy’s vibe

Raph about Faces: "I prefer some of his other films." Raph about Faces, 5 minutes later: "I think this is my favorite Cassavetes movie"

Never heard of Joel before this so thanks for introducing him! The talk at the start about perfectionism and showing imperfections really spoke to me and inspires me to put more out there, thank you so much, great cast as always!

Great episode as usual. I loved hearing Joel's approach to filmmaking, very inspiring. I am Lso excited that next episode is The Thing. I bought it recently and haven't watched it yet. Now, I have a great reason to revisit this great film. Thanks

Awesome guest! One of the best podcasts in a while! 😄

One of the best eps, this was truly epic. This was your guys’ Aquaman

Eyyyy I got my Euphoria question answered lol One thing I wanted to add about the discourse was that people would see fans of the show as lowkey pedos or drug glorifiers just because they like it. As if the show completely doesn’t condemn drug use and statutory rape. As if the only things teenagers are allowed to watch are family sitcoms on Nickelodeon and Disney Channel. It’s a dumb discussion, and I’m not just saying that because I love the show.

i swear this podcast gets the best guests

The best KZfaqr has arrived

So I just (knowingly) discovered Joel today through this podcast, and to go from hearing him go so in depth about Faces here (which I loved by the way, both his analysis & the film itself) to then being one of the Charlie clones finally teaming up with Big Charlie is incredible. So much props to this man, I can tell I'm about to go on a great journey with this man's art.

This is such a wholesome episode. Adum seemed so passionate to learn more about Joel's experience XD

I really hope the Matrix: Parabaylium wins Kickass Award at the 420s

Great episode, hadn't heard much from Joel but he's very insightful and was a great guest

This podcast episode goes INSANEO STYLE!

I can relate to Joel's disenchantment with the official channels for film distribution and qualification. I've made a feature recently that has been rejected by dozens of mid and even small sized festivals, rejected by distributors, rejected by awards shows, rejected by all my local news media publications. But I've had 5, going on 6 screenings, mostly self funded and self advertised, and almost 1,000 people have seen it, and the audience reaction is MASSIVELY positive. Including from complete strangers. I'll do an online and home media release soon, and likely I won't have any big distributor, but I think it's going to do quite well.

been slowly chewing through joels channel over the past months/year. it's been a blast. (edit) and joel is such an interesting and insightful guy. i just checked out some of his letterboxd reviews and there's some really good reads there. would recommend.

Man, I'm excited for all the folk who are just discovering Joel now... Boy, you are in for a treat! Lucky buggers...

Alex and Adum continue to hold out their due to Ralph. On Sardonicast #19 you two made a $50 bet (each) to Ralph that the sony Venom would NOT be a part of the MCU/ in a MCU movie by 2022. No Way Home had the sony Venom and Tom JUST make the cut at the end of 2021. Where is Ralphs money. Justice for Ralph!!

This podcast was really Insaneo Style, guys.

Joel was a fascinating guest who I've only just heard about. Definitely gonna check out his stuff. The Thing commentary track with Carpenter and Russell is great because they hardly talk about the movie. Same with big trouble in little china

Having Joel on the podcast was a great idea, he comes off like a very kind person. I like the guest episodes a lot and I'd love to see some of them back (especially Chris Stuckmann). Skipped the matrix discussion though because I haven't seen it yet

Just came here to add on to the popular opinion, Joel was a great guest! One of the most informative and enlightening episodes. Very cool.

Have Joel back again another time! What a great addition to the cast

joel haver was such a great guest! loved his perspectives and insights

Best episode I’ve heard. Loved the insight

Wow I'm so hyped for this crossover

The thing! Is also my favourite horror movie. Can’t wait

i loved the movie pretend you love me, cried at the end

that wes craven's new nightmare version of the hypothetical matrix sequel is an amazing idea

Straight insaneo style up in here!

My favourite tell and show is Snatch. They tell a lot, but the telling has awesome character introductions and gags.

@2:00:49 I’m not a general fan of musicals for this reason. But in their defense I think a song’s purpose is to offer some emotional depth into the charecters perspective. It has to be done right tho. Like I just saw that Cyran movie with Petrer dinkledge and some of the songs offer no story progression or charecter insight, they were just there to be there

When Adum said "You could set it in the 90s" it made me mad because that would be so much better and serve the point they were trying to make, like everyone is stuck in the 90s right now, doing the same thing over and over again. The movie even starts like that, they just drop it super quick and spin their wheels before just going off the rails.

Now I really wanna see Joel's videos of visiting the three of you.

2:00:00 2019s "The Vast of Night" is a premium example for tell don't show.

I hope we get The Hockey Guy as a guest on the podcast one day!

Would like to recommend Deep Focus Lens (Maggie) as a guest. Mostly since I just noticed Adum follows her on Twitter ha. Very very knowledgeable and fun to listen to.

I think "telling" bothers me when the "telling" and the "showing" feels un-intentionally contradictory to one another. It can be very alienating.

Never miss my Sardonicast dose. Thank you boys.

Dang wow, Sardonicast went INSANEO STYLE this week.

Yesss Just when I needed it the most

I just love how unapologetically messy and raw Faces is; it’s like a representation of life to me. That’s why I find it so beautiful.

This podcast was INSANEO STYLE.

I missed this holy drop of an episode! I love Joel 🥰

Haver was an awesome guest! Wellspoken and had some great insight on film and filmmaking. 10/10 listen

My favorite fourth installment in a film franchise is Ishiro Honda's Mothra vs. Godzilla (1964). Top tier kaiju cinema.

Around 1:08:30 - AQUAMAN is the blockbuster that embraces creativity and overthetop-ness

Have Joel back some time. Great Guest !

It's cool that they brought Cosmonaut Variety Hour back for a 2nd time!

I would suggest you have Wendigoon on as a guest

Hell yeah, excited

his audio is so much louder compared to the other 3 fck

Regarding the Euphoria question, what if there was an HBO show that was edifying and about people who try to be noble and heroic ? Would the same people who like the typical HBO shows call out this exception and say it's bad for influencing the youth/public ?

Damn this went insaneo style

i'm super interested in joel haver now. i'd never heard of him before. he seems dope

Fuck it, Adam should make films now, his ideas about the matrix are just too impressive and it would've looked so freaking cool if that was in a movie, damn!

Bring it on!

Da Matrix let s get it started

as a child i literally thought movies are perfect and if they seemed like they sucked i just didnt get..something. because they logically HAD to be perfect with all the thousands of people working on it and the millions of money. only through youtube i learned that a movie could have like a bad plot or bad characters or be legitimately boring

ralph and a lot of people who talk about cassavetes say that a lot of the script is improvised, but most of the time it's the opposite. everything in his most acclaimed a woman under the influence is heavily scripted and in faces its mostly the same.

This podcast hadn't been this good since Jenny Nicholson Joel is awesome

JOEL HAVER!!!!!!!!!

Best episode

Adum is entirely missing the point on the Euphoria conversation. It's not about the whole "ouuhhh controversial content" conversation, it's about how morally ok it is to sexualize underage characters. In fact, no one on the podcast ever acknowledges any of the male gaze problems pervasive in media and Joel is the only one bringing the actual problems up, which Adum quickly diverts back to rant about censorship or whatever.

I came into Resurrections as positively as possible, but I've accepted it's really not that good over time. I'll stand by, however, that Reloaded and Revolutions aren't bad. I watched all four movies before Resurrections and had a good time with each one. If nothing else, this new one makes them look better, but they have a lot going for them that just landed awkwardly for a lot of audiences at the time. I'd recommend "The Matrix Sequels are Good, Actually" by Sophie from Mars to get a new perspective on the whole deal.

UnIronically Hannibal Burress as Morpheus would have been more believable than whoever they got for the new one

36:31 That low shutter effect Joel mentions made me think of Wong Kar-wai films when I watched it, felt pretty out of place in this Matrix sequel.

OOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH I just got the "Let's Get It Started" joke. The Black Eyed Peas song "Let's Get is Started" was originally called "Let's Get Retarded"

David Fincher is also pretty known for his exposition.

Glad to see Critikal back on the podcast

One of my work's clients is in Marshall, NC!

The Matrix…it BLEW YOUR MIND!

Damn this episode went insaneo mode

Two worlds collide

Spike Jonze was also in Wolf of Wall Street

Oh, I thought Joel was in Faces. I almost actually saw it

I’d say Killing of a Chinese Bookie one of Cassavetes’s better movies. Although, I haven’t seen Love Streams

unfortunately they didn't care for MATRIX: RESURRECTIONS. (good to hear their takes tho) But I really love it. Seek out contrary opinions; this movie has a lot more love than you'd think!

Please!!! Talk about speed racer.

Not familiar with Joel but holy shit he sounds just like Marcus from Cosmonaut Variety Hour

Did you know that Tom Hardy was supposed to be in the movie as Eddie Brock/Venom due to Venom filming at the same time but got cut out of the film lol that would have been real Meta

It's so cute to hear Ralph getting jealous at Joel getting more props than him.

This episode went insaneo style!!

I feel like the bois might have enjoyed A Woman Under the Influence a little more. I'd say that's more accessible than Faces in some ways.

Cassavetes is a top ten filmmaker all time

David Lynch's Dune lost me in the begining when we first hear the Emperor think: "Why would they be concerned about the duke's son?" and then says out loud: "Aren't you referring to Leto, his father?". Like fuck off.

Was Adum trying to think of 28 Up?

Damn I was gonna go to Ralph's YT but he didn't say the website.......sucks to be a NYC hack with one less subscriber I guess

Who ever coulda guessed Joel Haver’s a cassavetes fan

Two things would have made this movie way better. 1. Well shot action in the style of the original 2. Hugo Weaving!!!

Omg Joel Haver YESSSSS