SATA vs SAS As Fast As Possible

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SATA is the dominant interface for hard drives these days, but could SAS be a powerful alternative for your setup, or is it just too impractical?
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@DrathVader 8 жыл бұрын

3:49 potential GIF material spotted

@Trident_Euclid 8 жыл бұрын

+DrathVader Memed

@Chevifier 8 жыл бұрын

+DrathVader Squiggly hand dance?....nahh

@0M9H4X_Neckbeard 8 жыл бұрын

+ThatAweSomeRandomGamer potato quality, can you get it as HTML5 video pls?

@thatawesomerandomgamer5756 8 жыл бұрын

idk it from gifmaker try it if u can

@booki000 8 жыл бұрын

+ThatAweSomeRandomGamer loop 4/10

@LazerLord10 8 жыл бұрын

IDE cables can be a bit ugly, but one of my friends bought IDE cables that had rainbow wires. It looked amazing!

@paulalbao8781 8 жыл бұрын

i you wany the 90's psychedelic acid trip then go on

@ProjectXioros 8 жыл бұрын

+TankT9 Done. cdn.makeagif.com/media/1-01-2016/iUgskf.gif

@LazerLord10 8 жыл бұрын

ProjectXioros ^^^ YES!

@MrBiky 8 жыл бұрын

+LazerLord10 I had an IDE cabled tied with some strange net and it was as big as a sata cable (in diameter, since it had round shape). It was awesome.

@MrBiky 7 жыл бұрын

gunnza1980 They were just sleeved cables. Just like nowadays with PSU cables.

@ganaraminukshuk0 8 жыл бұрын

"SAS stands for Serial Attached SCSI". Alright, what's SCSI? "SCSI stands for Small Computer System Interface". Somehow I feel like a video on drive connectors is needed if not already done; like, I remember when ribbon cables (like IDE/PATA) were all the rage when 40GB drives and 128MB RAM was considered a lot (actual stats from our first Windows computer).

@ryanofarrell186 8 жыл бұрын

+Ganaram Inukshuk Serial Attached Small Computer System Interface

@kolby4078 8 жыл бұрын

+Ganaram Inukshuk oh god no, there's like 40 different scsi interfaces

@ganaraminukshuk0 8 жыл бұрын

+kolby4078 Knowing Techquickie (is there really?), they'd probably cover the most common ones only (unless they were all common, then they'd have to generalise).

@Wignut 8 жыл бұрын

Damn, KZfaq is fucking up, I also had the weird *'* on another comment.

@kolby4078 8 жыл бұрын

TinchoX I still have an 800mb hdd laying around lol it's a laptop drive though

@ddha0000 8 жыл бұрын

I have a friend who was in the SAS for 6 years.

@mootboy4861 8 жыл бұрын

+Donald Trumps Trumpet That's nice Donald.

@katytis2012 8 жыл бұрын

Scandinavian Airlines or Special Air Service?

@ddha0000 8 жыл бұрын

mootboy4 im not donald....im his trumpet

@mootboy4861 8 жыл бұрын

Donald Trumps Trumpet Doot

@Misteryman321 8 жыл бұрын

+Donald Trumps Trumpet still, fuck you.

@Steve_Larson 5 жыл бұрын

I built a (4) 146G 15K drive SAS RAID 0 array back in the day. Sustained read/write speeds were comparable to a single modern fast SSD (around 500MBps), but with 20x the power consumption and LOTS of heat. We really have it good with our SSD's.

@dberry99 Жыл бұрын

In 1992 I worked on 1TB Sun SCSI array that was in a deployable vehicle. It took up 8 full size racks just for the drives and required a 15KW generator to run the system and the air conditioning. State of the art at the time and the system was over a million dollars. Now I can buy a drive more capable for 100 bucks and put it in my pocket.

@EposVox 8 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the clarification, I never bothered to learn what SAS drives were beyond "they're server drives."

@ShiroKage009 8 жыл бұрын

SAS controllers are always good for splitting out more SATA ports. It's what I do for my FreeNAS box.

@JensHove 4 жыл бұрын

Just make sure it's an HBA for FreeNAS, not a raid card.

@vanpeters9751 2 жыл бұрын

@@JensHove good call

@vanpeters9751 2 жыл бұрын

I'm going to buy a das drive lol 16tb $300

@Minitomate 4 жыл бұрын

One time I've wondered what was that weird connector and in this video I finally know why is it for.

@douglaswhite4867 2 жыл бұрын

I love all of your channels. Very informative. Keep up the good work.

@BlakieTT 8 жыл бұрын

Happy New Year, Linus and employees/family!

@phatputer 8 жыл бұрын

Cheers for the video, have passed this onto the rest of our team so they can maybe explain a bit better to our customers as to why the expanded storage for their servers costs so much more than the extra hard drive they put into their home machine last week.

@TheBcoolGuy 8 жыл бұрын

This is outdated. This video was uploaded last year.

@ramn 8 жыл бұрын

good point

@erraticerrors7261 8 жыл бұрын

ikr

@niklasbergvall9656 8 жыл бұрын

lol

@reecedeyoung6595 8 жыл бұрын

👍🏻 cause like a normal thumbs up wasn't enough

@Daniel-bz2iw 7 жыл бұрын

Your outdated, you were commented 8 months ago

@phillipsusi1791 8 жыл бұрын

Wait... SATA is also full duplex. Also worth noting is that SAS and SATA share the exact same PHY layer. They differ somewhat in the transport layer, with SATA using a master/slave system with either a single slave or up to 15 via a port multiplier, and SAS using a mesh network system allowing for many drives and host computers to all be connected via switches, and at the higher layer, SATA drives using the simpler ATA command set but SAS drives using the more complex SCSI command set.

@Minecraftminer3000 8 жыл бұрын

This video was made just in time! Thanks!

@RedXons 8 жыл бұрын

Good thing tough is, that you can connect up to 4 SATA drives on a single SAS connector with a breakout cable, as the SAS is capable of carying 4 SATA signals over over one connector.

@Kilzu1 Жыл бұрын

You don't need SAS for that. You only need SATA backplane, case and motherboard specifically designed for such installation (for example USB NAS storage devices have those). What SAS has use for home use, is being able to have storage cluster and use external SAS cable to store all your files to that-...or use it as your boot drive and not having to have any storage devices installed on your PC xD.

@RedXons Жыл бұрын

@@Kilzu1 Ah yeah, that works as well. I just meant that if you use a SAS PCIe card (like a LSI2008 for example which can be had cheap on ebay) you can use two SAS to Sata breakout cables and attach 4 SATA (or SAS) drives to one mini SAS port. Didn't expect to get an answer after 7 years but yeah, my storage server now for example uses 3 LSI2008-8i cards that are attached to a backplane which has 24 Sata drive bays. of course I could use an expander but at the time of looking those LSI2008 cards were cheaper than SAS expanders. And the server has PCIe lanes to spare so why not?

@jjoatz9037 8 жыл бұрын

Something I noticed is no mention of T10 DIF/DIX or T10 PI/DIF, which helps protect against silent data corruption (SDC). I'm not sure if _all_ SAS drives are capable, though I now you cannot get the aforementioned features on a SATA drive. DIF = Data Integrity Field DIX = Data Integrity eXtension PI = Protection Information

@Silvertarian 4 күн бұрын

Ancient video still helping me out. Thanks dude.

@omarbartolini3386 4 жыл бұрын

Putting aside performance, the reason you would like to use SAS drives is for the ""build quality"", they're made with very high quality materials and constructed more rigid with extra vibration and shock protection; even including ECC unlike the common use hard drives. Also SAS controllers are better designed and coded.

@niekje7t 8 жыл бұрын

happy new year from holland!

@ThisisTechie 8 жыл бұрын

Thanks You, for helping me making my YTP easier.

@hummel_brummel Жыл бұрын

can I see it?

@LuisFelipeRM 4 жыл бұрын

Melhor vídeo explicativo que encontrei sobre o assunto.

@1ake1 8 жыл бұрын

From what i remember S.A.S was a team in COD Modern Warfare 4

@alexdabosslyboss4219 8 жыл бұрын

Never heard of the game

@PyroBlock 8 жыл бұрын

+SimplyPhysics why in the world would he do that? he's clearly been living under the best rock ever if he hasn't been tainted by cod

@lordlennyofmemetown5485 8 жыл бұрын

+SimplyPhysics S.A.S is the Special Air Service

@oblomovette 8 жыл бұрын

+SimplyPhysics LOL, CoD fanboy over here. Do you seriously believe that because he hasn't heard of a game series you like, he should end his own LIFE?!? Also, I think he means he hasn't heard of CoD: Modern Warfare 4, since that game doesn't currently exist (and hopefully never will.) ;)

@oblomovette 8 жыл бұрын

+SimplyPhysics You really are a little ray of sunshine, aren't you? ;D

@katytis2012 8 жыл бұрын

Two hours to midnight, Linus drops down a video. Classy as always X) Cheers beer boy :)

@ChristopherJones16 2 жыл бұрын

He goes off of your time too I bet.

@biswasnayak9516 3 жыл бұрын

Most of the stuff around internet is usually scattered even if you try to learn about a single thing. But thnx to you for explaining everything in a nutshell !!!

@PBWillyWonka 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for providing information that is really helpful.

@crazyinsane500 8 жыл бұрын

Eh, not like money's an issue at LinusTechTips. So let's start seeing SAS exclusive builds.

@HudsonGTV 4 жыл бұрын

Like he said, SAS is aimed at the enterprise market. You should be getting an SSD unless you are building a server.

@draven4464 2 жыл бұрын

@@HudsonGTV the dude reviewed a quantum computer. I don't think a server build is anything out of the question. Servers aren't far fetched

@draven4464 2 жыл бұрын

But to be honest he should just go straight to U.2

@charankoppineni4498 8 жыл бұрын

Happy new year Linus and team From India

@immickful Жыл бұрын

Sadly, nothing was said about the main advantage of SAS against ordinary SATA drives - error handling.

@AlexPrivett 5 жыл бұрын

I came back to this video for referencing information about the sas interface for a server build out for my home network, I am going to be deploying several servers, all using the sas interface for my storage. I am in fact making a home database.

@mentalthink1 8 жыл бұрын

Very intesting and clearifing video. Excellent, thanks for the explanantion... and very very good channel.

@HMods1991 8 жыл бұрын

Holy crap I was gonna suggest this video yesterday!

@inris2353 8 жыл бұрын

Thank you liuns you the informative videos you are awesome!!

@NadunDissanayake 3 жыл бұрын

Its 2020. I'm learning about SAS

@anch95 3 жыл бұрын

2021

@the731272 8 жыл бұрын

I have a home file-server which I'm upgrading soon. 6 Gb/s SAS (with a sata breakout splitter) for RAID, and just because the motherboard in the system doesn't have enough sata ports, or RAID capabilities built in. Its pretty expensive, but hopefully it'll be worth it for my large transfer / video render things.

@PaulBakertx 8 жыл бұрын

totally had that external enclosure with the yellow ide cable at the beginning. "metal gear!"

@not4yman 8 жыл бұрын

happy new year guys

@leo_warren 8 жыл бұрын

My new years resolution: 4K

@hannahlamond7710 8 жыл бұрын

Hey bitch, ever heard of 8K, I'm goin twice that resolution

@commentator3513 8 жыл бұрын

+Blake Lamonten *4 times

@ganaraminukshuk0 8 жыл бұрын

+Leo Warren LOL I get it. I'd be lucky to get to full HD any time in 2016.

@hannahlamond7710 8 жыл бұрын

+Ganaram Inukshuk omg you get an 8k und tv here for like $70

@commentator3513 8 жыл бұрын

Blake Lamonten $70 (million)

@tparadox88 4 жыл бұрын

I learned that SAS exists this week because I jumped on a $17 2TB drive on eBay, then spent 20 minutes trying to figure out why it wasn't fitting in my enclosure.

@HudsonGTV 4 жыл бұрын

You can buy an HBA card and use that for the SAS drive.

@Dove01s 4 жыл бұрын

I just had the same thing happen to me.,, I got it to fit in the drive bay, though... barely. Thought I got a great deal on a 6TB drive, and then when it arrives... whoops - the connectors don't connect. I didn't even know there was anything other than SATA still OUT there, so didn't bother to check the connection info. Now I'm stuck with a drive I have no idea how to use... and no money to use to expand the space in my home media PC.

@Dove01s 4 жыл бұрын

@@HudsonGTV Can you please explain what an HBA card is? Would it allow the SAS drive to be used like a regular drive? I got what I thought was a great deal on a 6TB drive for my home media PC, only to have it not fit. And everything I've looked up says the cheap adapter cables people are selling don't work because the SATA interface still can't read the drive. I'm so confused right now I have a headache.

@waynelee7169 3 жыл бұрын

@@Dove01s The HBA card (Amazon $70) slots into a pci-2 slot on your Motherboard and allows a series of SAS drives to interface with your PC. You will need the correct connection cables from the card to the drive interface as well, they are pretty cheap on eBay or Amazon. SAS drives are very reliable and ssd fast read and write - the card will let you add another 6g drive if you can fit it - cheapest fast storage you can get imo - I bought a redundant Dell Poweredge R710 server with 6 x 2 TB SAS drives very very cheap for a storage hub - my son uses it most for his games - my wife for streaming - when everyone is online it breezes through.

@DutchMastermind 8 жыл бұрын

If i have a SAS drive and play as S.A.S in game's, will that make my game perform better?

@Walker998 8 жыл бұрын

+DutchMastermind the text doesn't act as a command so no.

@tortex1 8 жыл бұрын

Only if you paint flames or stripes on the case. In red. Red makes things go faster. Maybe.

@Walker998 8 жыл бұрын

whatever you do, don't do it on the psu; that would make it overheat and take a few other parts such as your precious gpu with it.

@Walker998 8 жыл бұрын

DO YOU WANT YOUR PC TO DROWN! sorry if i was too sarcastic.

@_Agosto_ 8 жыл бұрын

*KSP intensifies*

@ardrian1237 2 жыл бұрын

Really informative video !! Now i know i can plug SATA HDD into SAS controller.

@Mattia_98 7 жыл бұрын

Now I want a benchmark!!

@marccatamio 8 жыл бұрын

Happy New year Guys

@zeallavacube6357 4 жыл бұрын

Great Video! By the way I have a question, I have a hp notebook model (17-bs025cl) and I can't really know if my optical drive bay supports SATA (and which SATA version if it supports it) because I'm planning on installing a SSD in the optical drive bay using a caddy I've tried lots of third party software and they say it's an ATAPI.. I can't seem to find an answer on the web on what is this ATAPI or whether my device controller is SATA or IDE please if you can help me in anyway.

@henryng439 Жыл бұрын

I use SAS and PCIe NVMe, mainly. Noticeable speed when moving data around.

@sangita6709 8 жыл бұрын

happy new year

@sighteternal497 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you, good video!

@saskiavanhoutert3190 4 жыл бұрын

I like the progress by SAS, it's surely not the end, thanks and kind regards

@ewolam 3 жыл бұрын

It’s sad that SATA won’t be updated at more. Otherwise, SAS will be lower priced.

@SuburbanBBQ 4 жыл бұрын

Great explanation.

@rohitpande2009 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for Info

@bofollbring7751 2 жыл бұрын

I build my own NAS machines. I get a HBA card and buy refurbished 4TB SAS (HGST) for ~$AU50 each. At this price point, I can afford if one or two doesn't last very long, I just replace it. With a SAS9200-8i card you can connect 8 drives. That is a 32TB storage for under $AU500.

@natarajr1817 6 жыл бұрын

I love your presentations

@Bmagj2 Жыл бұрын

Wow I just learned about SAS like 2 .5 years from this date. I know I'm late 😅. Nice further explanation.

@bingbong5462 3 жыл бұрын

that voice crack tho 1:53

@felixoarotemiwo1824 3 ай бұрын

linus do you have videos on data center technician function, i enjoy most of your videos 👍

@drbowater 7 жыл бұрын

I miss messing with the jumpers on new HDDs :(

@Scudmaster11 2 жыл бұрын

i miss IDE... parallel was always better

@fatbeard8072 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this very informative video. I have never heard of SAS before, as I was on newegg.com looking up HDD's and saw SAS, couldn't figure out online, but duckduckgo provided this video.

@exaqtian 8 жыл бұрын

Hey linus was wondering, im still rocking a asus p6t deluxe and i7 920 as i still havent really had any reason to upgrade yetw apart from of course .. loads times. One thing thats bugged me is my SSD running in SataII. I THINK my board is SAS III. So the question.... Will i gain any benefit running my SataIII SSD in the SAS-Bus(12gbps) over the SataII(3gbps) ? Thanks

@MrSteveIIx 8 жыл бұрын

Bullshit, Special Air Service.

@pietroaretino6390 7 жыл бұрын

Thumbs up for the Grandma data-center photo. I lost it.

@andrew867 8 жыл бұрын

Where did the video of the central office (brown racks on the left and right @3:14) come from?

@johnnyBrwn 7 жыл бұрын

Wow dude, you're a pro. This description took no time. You clearly know what you're talking about. Every other description was full of fluff of people who had no idea what they were talking about.

@Dovito91 8 жыл бұрын

Looking to upgrade my homeserver, currently running 13 drives using an onboard controller and an external sata controller, Would it be optimal for me to use a SAS controller with those 1 to 4 splitter cables? and what controller is to recomend?

@finlandjourney6065 Жыл бұрын

A Squarespace ad. Linus already saw his future.

@75Krusty 4 жыл бұрын

Were thinking of maybe buying a Western Digital - Ultrastar He10 HUH721008AL5200 with SAS 12Gb/s. What SAS to SATA adaptor would you recommend to use temporary, until I get a more modern motherboard, or expensive PCI-e card with SAS input? Have btw motherboard PRIME Z370-P with the 6 Gb/s SATA inputs.

@Win7Fan 8 жыл бұрын

I just came across Linus' video about SATA again just recently. Woah.

@tarungarg2698 6 жыл бұрын

Could you please share the name of video editing software, you are currently using?

@deepward1498 2 жыл бұрын

can I cut the little plastic thingy beside the pins on the sas drives

@Bronze. 3 жыл бұрын

The square space spot really shows what we thought wearables would do...

@cientifiko 3 ай бұрын

does connector adapters of sas to sata works on modern mother boards?

@zepherinkevinfrancis7539 8 жыл бұрын

I heard that qualcomm quick charge 3.0 promises lower charging temps and hence longer overall life of your battery, wanted to know if it is worth buying a 3.0 charger. Also would it work on a Samsung galaxy s5 or do I need a new phone to make use of it.

@hamidrezaahmadi5198 3 жыл бұрын

thanks for your video. does SATA driver can accept SAS interface ?

@tiagoluz8 8 жыл бұрын

SQUARESPACE, BUILD IT BEAUTIFUL! *filling in for Luke*

@senjin8244 8 жыл бұрын

Linus, can you explain Windows version/edition? what's N, rtm, oem, LTSB, VL, features on demand, TH2, insider fast ring/slow ring, branch R1, threshold builds, Redstone build, Public Builds, ESD, SVF. Please!

@NipkowDisk 8 жыл бұрын

When I built my Pentium 133 PC many years ago I went with (parallel) SCSI because the throughput versus ATA really did make a difference. Also, the SCSI interface didn't care if you had hard drives, CD-ROM drives, toothpaste-cap fasteners, etc. on its bus as long as it was SCSI. Nowadays, the magnitude of performance gain just isn't there so I went with SATA III. IOW, I agree with what he said.

@randhirsona 7 жыл бұрын

can we attached sas drive array to desktop with sas controller ?? will it work on my motherboard intel DH67BL ??

@manoj.v8567 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@mikemurphy5336 4 жыл бұрын

can you buy a sas 2tb drive and replace circuit board for a sata pcb board both drives are identical but off by 1 digit in model number or are these fine tuned at the factory making swapping pcb boards not a viable solution

@mikecondo 8 жыл бұрын

That Nicky V though. 4:08

@davidlee4071 8 жыл бұрын

Hey Linus, can you explain why there are different mobo, with seemingly the same name that are different prices. I understand there are tiers, but what do higher tiers really offer?

@nwafennagodfreychukwuemeka8971 3 жыл бұрын

Can a SAS drives be converted to a portable external hard drive and how? I will really appreciate if you do a video on it. Thanks in anticipation.

@zachbutler9484 7 жыл бұрын

I ordered a SAS drive by mistake, my mobo only supports sata, can I use it with a sata to SAS adapter? only looking to use for storage, no raid set up. cant return the drive... any advice?

@velveetasucide1255 8 жыл бұрын

Would it increase performance when using multiple VMs accessing the drive at once?

@fuzzyfoyz Жыл бұрын

Yes. Full duplex will help the VMs perform better. But now you have nvme M.2 drives that are much better.

@denvera1g1 8 жыл бұрын

i have trouble with my dell precision T7500 no SSD will work on the sas controller, and there are only 3 sata ports, and one is needed for hard disk

@MauriceKon 6 жыл бұрын

4:05 Nicky V, your mum's favorite house guest. I miss him on your channel

@warcrimesenjoyer911 5 жыл бұрын

4:05 really I have sas drives and have a server in my house to use as a database and media server

@themotivator2587 4 жыл бұрын

I bought a DL380 G7 for home use, but for home media server and data storage, cheaper SATA drives are just fine.

@koltilabs5210 2 жыл бұрын

great explanation, good that i put 24 sas drives in it for home Database Storageworks instead of sata :-) HP p2000, ssd's would be more expensive but i am not sure if this worth it ? do you know that maybe ? Thanks.

@justw4lkbesideme 3 жыл бұрын

Thx man

@sausagefingers714 8 жыл бұрын

i bought 4 used 250gb 15k rpm SAS drives for £10 each and a £3 SAS to SATA adapter.. 1 TB SAS storage for £43 not bad ;)

@sang3Eta 3 жыл бұрын

A 15k rpm drive would be 2x as fast. Cheaper to set up 2x 7200rpm in RAID 0 though. Mine run at about 400 MB/s. Ive seen 2x 12gb drives running at 534MB/s. They used to make 10k rpm SATA drives called VelociRaptor.

@coolguyvideos599 4 жыл бұрын

Dude thanks.

@tsfcancerman 8 жыл бұрын

never thought about it before now, the ppl gaming, game recording, live streaming at the same time,(and maybe converting and uploading to youtube at the same time) all processes at the same time, would this sas hdd improve anything at all?

@foursystems4547 5 жыл бұрын

how do you add this hdd on board with no ports for such hdd

@Testfortest142 8 жыл бұрын

"New Year as fast as possible"

@bikutoso 8 жыл бұрын

I have planned a long time to build a "Home database server or something like that" in the future, when i have space for it. I would like to have a central place with redundancy for files i need to store, with a easier way to backup than messing with my personal computer. And if i need it it could be possible have some small virtual servers running AD DS, or LAMP in the future.

@questv2661 8 жыл бұрын

when you and luke built the 2 gamer 1 cpu did you guys use sas or normal sata? and if you used sata would sas gave you more speed? sorry for spelling English is not my first language

@commentator3513 8 жыл бұрын

+PiggyHD 1. sata i think 2. your english is perfectly fine

@questv2661 8 жыл бұрын

SquidPlays okay and thanks :)

@commentator3513 8 жыл бұрын

PiggyHD no prob :D

@khaipham1157 7 жыл бұрын

how can i connect or use sas in my personal computer ?

@jasonlisonbee 5 жыл бұрын

Sounds to me like SAS could benefit anyone who feels constrained by consumer IO subsystems. Would it be more cost effective or aid in any other way to have SAS storage and 16GB of RAM or SATA and 128GB of RAM for high end media production?

@draven4464 2 жыл бұрын

4:05 *laughs in pre-owned R720*

@Carlo13ization 8 жыл бұрын

4:01 did anyone else look at the laptop screen?!? LMAO

@FingerinUrDaughter 8 жыл бұрын

the most important thing to remember: if you have a platter drive, i.e. not a solid state disk, no interface will change your speeds. even IDE has more bandwidth than any hard dish can produce.