So very true and I think this is the difference between being young and being older - and like you said, the same thing applies to things like wrestling and other "played" stuff. But even at this age (42), I still think there are people who are to be taken seriously even though I know these people are not "evil" and then there are pretenders, aka posers, who are just in "because it's cool". And that's one thing that makes black metal different from people who just want to make music like that but not to do anything with ideology or "dangerous topics" such as satanism, being anti-religous etc. It doesn't bother me that people do normal things - of course they do. Fenriz and the like still need to wash their underwear, eat like normal people do and all that. But people who are afraid to go deeper than just music, when it comes to black metal, are not black metal people in my opinion.

For me Black metal is just really embracing that dark primal side that exist in all of us and saying that it's okay that you have these feelings because it's natural. I've always felt that those are the types of people who are drawn to Black Metal. It's weird to think that there are people who are only into black metal for any reason other than a pure love for it. I know Fenriz has talked about King Ov Hell being a huge poser. I don't know the reasons for this but King Ov Hell has made some great music with some Iconic musicians. I love the Godseed album, and Abbath's solo album.

That was a good read! Agree with everything u said.

DYLX2100 Cheers!

Baltzeg Pretty much agreed here, too. I know similar views about posers and poser bands here in Finland, too, and some of them are more general (Myrkur for example), whilst some go on more personal level. It's like this: water may look like vodka, but the taste and effect are clearly different. Thats okay as long as water doesn't pretend being vodka. :)

They want to be laughed at? A stand-up comedian black metal band? Well, why the hell not!

Nope, they want to be out of this conformist same-minded people subculture. By the way - Adjusting to the terms is more comedian and funniest than Satyricon is. So...

Fair enough. So, did you watch the video, too? Did you know many of these stories? Support them and like them? Or disagree?

No , i herd from this video about backstage stories and teaching headbanging properly. We dont have to support them. Assholes or not how it relate to black metal terms.?

Like I said, in terms of black metal (you know, black metal as a genre lyricwise, ideologically etc.) Satyricon sounds is a funny band. Not a bad band musically, of course (or that is up for debate anyhow), but in black metal I find these stories very funny and hard to believe. If Satyricon was like Manowar or some hard rock band, maybe this behavior and stories would make more sense, you know? I don't know if it's just me but I couldn't believe most bm bands would pull these kind of stunts and acts. That's why I find this all so funny and even ridiculous. I understand that some people don't. That's why this video probably got so many downvotes, too. People don't want to hear "nasty stories" about their favorite artists. They want them to be cool. I think you actually gave me an idea for a new opinion video, so thank you!

fck you all Oh, we did? Where? Because I have no clue who you are :)

Rauta yeah like I said it's been many years. People come and go. Let's just say that it all took place online and I was really young.

Drop me a message on Facebook page or send email? I'm curious.

Rauta lol it's ok. I'm not expecting you to remember me. I must've been like 18 or 19 when we talked and now I'm.. well much older. I have revealed my face on my so called channel. I'm just happy that you're still ok. :) you just never know. Life is unpredictable.

Well, we all are much older. I might remember you easily if I could just connect the dots, you know. Now I can't connect this nick to anybody anywhere, but I'll take a look. I'm always okay, even when life throws shit at me, you know. Well, nice ot hear from you and it's a small world indeed!

It's one of their best releases.

Nice story! Thanks for sharing.

Varg has mentioned that Frost ( I'm pretty sure he said it was Frost) used to visit Helvete wearing leather with long nails sticking out of it. Even Euronymous thought this was over the top and didn't like it.

Unfortunately so. Nattefrost was pretty laid back with us though... But then again most of the people I've interviewed have been laid-back: Gorgoroth guys (Gaahl & King ov Hell), Attila, Fenriz etc. - so can't really bitch about them myself.

A super comment! Couldn't have put it out there by myself. You should join me in the Rauta "studio!" To continue and reply a bit: I have my theories about the mental qualities of Norwegian people - and to some extent this applies to Swedish as well - compared to Finns. We most certainly have a different mindset and this is reflected on music and the bands as well. I probably should do a opinion video about this, even though it would make people pissed. Your view on Fenriz is similar to mine: met him once and what I've read of him, all comes back to him being humble and not a rockstar vs some of the names you dropped here. Watain case is really interesting because it seems to be like Swedish Satyricon in many aspects. Gotta say, I hope most people would read your comment. I really do. Well put.

NebuchadnezzarII hurr hurr, Norwegian black metal bands are more famous than Finnish ones. Waaaaah >:(

+Trygve Grundvik I have an interesting challenge for you - read your comments twice before posting them. And while you're proof reading, ask yourself these questions: 1. Is my reply valid/relevant? Or am I just proving that freedom of speech is a bad idea? 2. Did I just prove the point of the person I'm trying to oppose? Congratulations on coming along and demonstrating that edgy, obnoxious Norwegian hipster personality for us. It's really a perfect addition to this comment thread. Thanks!

+Rauta Our friend Trygve Grundvik was kind enough to give a great demonstration of the same reductive, obnoxious personality described in the video. We provide a reasoned perspective on specific behaviours, and he replies with: "hurr hurr, Norwegian black metal bands are more famous than Finnish ones. Waaaaah >:(" My point, condensed, was about how certain people deal with attention, and inquiring about the higher tendency for this personality to present in Norway and Sweden. From that, he somehow extracted something relating to fame envy (??)... Absolutely bizarre... as if fame is considered an ideal trait in underground metal. Norwegians did something that is very strange and uncharacteristic in underground metal music. Metal, specifically the underground stuff, is unique, because it has always conducted itself like a cult. Releases were limited, and measures were taken (grotesque artwork, horror themes, etc) to keep outsiders away. Within metal, the more you know and study the genre, the more respect you gain (which is very fair and logical), because people are drawn towards those who can provide them more information and a richer experience. So an interesting thing about the Norwegians, especially Varg (but not exclusively) is that he used ignorance to help push a mass media agenda, and then dissociated from the whole thing to show he was "above" it. He still uses these disinformation tactics (here, I refer exclusively to his views on metal). Vikernes still maintains that the Black Metal bands of the 80s were "Thrash Metal" (his words). He does this to present an idea that what happened in Norway was completely unprecedented and mythic. And his tactic worked - when most people think of Black Metal, they associate it with the Norwegian sound. But Black Metal had no distinct sound - the first Sodom EP is Black Metal, Master's Hammer is Black Metal, Necrovore was Black Metal, Barathrum is Black Metal, Poison were Black Metal, Parabellum were Black Metal, Necrodeath and Ghostrider were Black Metal, Abhorer were Black Metal etc etc. All of those bands are black metal bands, but none of them look or sound like the Norwegian bands. Some Black Metal sounds closer to Death Metal, and some Black Metal sounds closer to Speed Metal, but there was an age of distinct and unique Black Metal bands, and it passed after the Norwegian circus. But through constant reinforcement of the Norwegian myths, through FAME and INFAMY, history was skewed. It might not seem important now, but in 200 years time, musical historians will study Metal as a strange movement, and historical study is like Chinese whispers - for every idiot that speaks before thinking, disinformation is created. The most "famous" Norwegian and Swedish bands, almost exclusively, eliminated the sense of community that existed in the underground. The genre had real potential - it spread worldwide, but it always had a distinctive local element. Just like ethnic culture... South American Black Metal was adventurous and wild (Hadez, Vulcano, etc)...Singapore/Malay Black Metal was more Death-like and rigid, but still feral (Abhorer, Nuctemeron, etc) ... Finnish Black Metal had a uniquely primitive spirit that emphasised the harshness of nature and it's connection to the religiously profane (Barathrum, Beherit, Impaled Nazarene, etc). So it was very much like the natural system of tribal/ethnic cultures that naturally arises in humans, but it was an underground, dissident movement that practiced a form of "artistic eugenics" and kept only the strong. The (selected) Norwegians brought the equivalent of globalisation to Black Metal. They, megalomaniacs, used extra curricular activities and hype to draw attention to something that they were happy to claim as their own. They even stamped their authority on their false claim (see: Mortiis vs. Impiety). And that was the problem - the Norwegians were famous people in a movement than deliberately avoided fame, and then they claimed and changed the face and character of the movement by refusing to shut up. This is an interesting generation - the past discarded the information of the general population. Now, our words are immortalised through the internet. I wonder how many people think of that as a privilege... the ability to pass information on to a worldwide network. Personally, I do think it's a privilege...

Very interesting points once again and thanks for contributing. I gotta say I agree with what you wrote, most parts anyway. It's kind of a hilarious thing - in retrospect - that Norwegian thing became such a myth and "bigger than life" characters when we are talking about black metal. This all became a fertile ground for a kind of perverse hybrid of rock'n'roll fame and black metal underground. Nox, mixed in together this has given us bands such as Satyricon, Dimmu Borgir, Emperor (to some extent anyway), Mayhem etc. which have taken black metal to mainstream in a way. How much is "some mainstream" is of course up for debate, but we can that with an honest voice. Deniers will deny everything, of course, but it' won't wipe away proof. One interesting of sorts, even if not that good as a documentary movie, is this Norwegian doc called Blackhearts. I recently watched it as it was shown on Finnish national tv and streaming service and it felt awkward because it tried to nail Norway as the creator of black metal and strengthen this myth of Norwegian BM even more. To me it felt partially like an holiday advertisement movie. "Come to Norway and see all the cult places by yourself!" So, I don't know what's the secret ingredient in the Norwegian tap water (like the saying goes in Finland....), but there clearly is something because it makes these people act like this. Not all, or even most of course, but still... For Sweden it's a whole different culture: be it about pop music, rock music, electronic dance music or whatever, Sweden has always been a strong suit in music industry. And that's _industry_, not some underground activity. Once again, we all know there are bands that are true to underground and not having dreams of rock'n'roll success and whatever, but still. Anyway, I think this conversation has given me some ideas for a future opinion video about the subject. I'll give this some more thinking and come back to this later on. Cheers once again for a good and well-put comment. Conversation is a valuable thing.

Can't say I know that band well enough.

@@RautaMetal their latest stuff are 100% legit , though they were like huge in Sweden kkkkk

Guillaume Vrac Yes, it truly sounds odd with a bm band (the girl story and the moshing part). Still remember good old Euronymous story "no mosh, no fun, no core, no trends"? And thanks, hope you enjoyed this video!

Ahaha, this time seems far now !

Guillaume Vrac Indeed!

Seems all Satyr does at this point, is "headbang correctly". :D I had mentioned I once asked Frost for a photo together, and he grabbed and really squeezed me hard, which I thought was inappropriate; maybe he did somehow feel "entitled". Of course, he could have simply been high.

Another strange moment with the band :o

Even their first album lacks the authenticity that Darkthrone, Emperor, Burzum, etc had. Even more modern bands like Evilfeast are still releasing albums that are just as raw and authentic sounding as early Emperor. When you compare a current day band like Evilfeast to anything that Satyricon has ever done, you will understand what I'm talking about.

I'm not stating it as a fact, but as an opinion what I have gathered by my personal experience (live, television, interviews etc.) as well as from other people's comments (you can see some of them listed as comments here). I LIKE to think Frost is equal, but it seems he is not. It doesn't matter how much people shout his name and respect him as musician (I like his drumming a lot personally in many bands), but to me he doesn't seem like an equal member. More like what Dave Lombardo is/was for Slayer.

Glad you do like that. I wish I could, too.

I cant stop listening this song, absolutely taken.

N a r b a r i o N Thanks!

Cheers. Don't get me wrong: I do like early Satyricon a lot. It's just something in later Satyricon rubs me the wrong way.

Even their most recent tour with Frost was super boring. Mostly midtempo tracks, Satyr walking around the stage with a mic looking bored and yeah, mother north sounded bad.

That might be true for some people, but not for me. IMO they never made primitive black metal, not particularily raw neither. In my opinion their diva behavior and in general poorer song-writing just became not very interesting. Kinda Metallica effect, if you will, with Satyr being black metal's Lars Ulrich. And yes, I'm fully aware that some people picked the latest Satyricon among their favorite albums of the year, but then agian, some people like St. Anger, too. So, different strokes for different people. KING, Fuel for Hatred etc. are all good. This new one? Not my cup of tea. Doesn't even feel like the same band anymore.

Yeah, their early albums are phenomenal.

I respect the will to go improve etc, of course, but I gotta say, Satyricon's music is to my ears a pale shadow of what they used to be. The last few ones are the worst by the band, unfortunately. Still, going to see them live this year.

@@RautaMetal you might be right. I haven't heard any of their stuff since Diabolical. They might be losing steam. I know Sigurd owns another business and drives Porsches on the track on weekends so maybe he's not fully in these days.

Yeah, he got successful with his wine business. Can't blame the man for owning a Porsche. I've been dreaming of getting one, hah hah! I just wish Satyricon got back on track with their albums.

Unfortunately so :-D

Maybe I bashed him too hard? He was nice to me too, though.

Freudian thing, I'm sure!

🤘

No worry, didn't take as such! And I totally know what you mean. Sometimes these musicians have bad days and sometimes they are just douchebags - like the rest of us. I have met Necrobutcher only once, and that was late 90's, so back then they maybe weren't so big "rockstars" so to speak. But then again, it was in a bar instead of being an interview. So, it's a matter of time and space also.

Ilir Halili One can be proud and still humble at the same time, yes? Think about Darkthrone. Think about Metallica. Think about Iron Maiden. Think about Motörhead. Think about a thousand better bands than Satyricon and you'll be lucky if you find more cocky band than this :) nevertheless, I still like their albums - well, most anyway.

A bit late to the part, my comment, but I agree with you Gabriel !

Unfortunately, very true.

You really dont know what they think.Judging other people that you dont know at all ,are always easy .

maybe acting seriously is part of his character..

Oh but these guys WERE part of that scene. It's not like they were not that different. It's just that most metal bands - black or not - don't reach the "funny" level such as Satyricon or Yngvie J. Malmsteen. Being a diva is not exactly being metal, you know.

Exactly. Started great, ended up like a bad mockery of themselves.

@@RautaMetal heheheheh....indeed

Well said.

Yes.

Indeed, indeed. Ignorance is bliss, huh?

Sure!

Yes. I still hope them to shape up and get back to the fold to reclaim their crown, tho!

De nada.

@@RautaMetal di nulla?! ahah!👍👍

en.wiktionary.org/wiki/de_nada

Somehow I get a feeling you haven't been seeing much Satyricon interviews or behind-the-scenes videos :D

Thanks again for your comment completed with links. I gotta check them out later on! Btw. I remember a Satyricon video on Finnish tv back in 1997 or so, and in that interview it seemed like Frost was on a leash like a puppy or something. Kinda like a gimp without a leather/rubber gimp suit... That view of those two around the table has burnt into back of my head. It still feels absurd. Been made to wait _a few_ times when Satyr is doing treadmll? Mind-blown! Gotta say you have a patience of a zen master! Oh yeah, I forgot to mention Absu when I was listing US bands. And probably a few other important ones, too.

My patience scares me.:) (Extremely stubborn really.) Of course, I cannot be sure what Satyr was doing, but there were people from his crew who seemed quite concerned with me waiting for three hours in the cold and rain, so they'd inform me he'd be "finished with the treadmill". I do have to give it to both Frost and Satyr that they were always talkative, however. Your impression has been confirmed by a few other people who have been around Satyricon - they have witnessed the same and express the same amount of disbelief at the Satyr/Frost s/m dynamics. I myself was stunned how Satyr bosses around their photographer, yelling at him arrogantly during a show: "Hey! Take a picture here, take a picture there! Not like this, like that!" Did I say Satyr was down to earth... nah, he's equally out of touch. Just came across a recent interview where he nags again about the "spirituality" of this new record - one might think Satyricon are the new kings of blues&gospel or at least Godfathers of Soul. In that video I linked, Proscriptor throws away a Norwegian flag - I'm surprised he didn't burn one.:) I know black metal is supposed to have originated in Norway, but I find that particular scene quite boring (much prefer the Greek and especially Mid-Eastern scene). Satyr talks about how this song "Brethen In The Dark" was inspired by Norwegian folk; well, that song sucks. It doesn't help either that all these Norwegians are so full of themselves.

3 hours in cold and rain? Wow. I could never ever imagine myself doing that unless I got paid! But kinda cool "we" still have fans like you. Then again it's sad that band rather chooses a treadmill training than meeting a fan, and that alone tells us a lot of the band. Spirituality - eh... sorry, I have to go laugh somewhere. Yeah, Norway is such an elitist country in a way: economically independent, high pays and whatnot. And also not big on crimes etc. So basically a true life version of what elves are usually depicted in fantasy literature: being above others so to speak. Then again this kind of bm is just a result of people having thigs "too good". A result of having not big problems like violence, poverty, lack of food, disesases etc. I don't think bm should have been originated from Norway or other Nordic countries, since there were bands from all over the world doing that before Norway: think of Hellhammer from Switzerland, Venom from UK, Bathory from Sweden, Sarcofago from Brazil, Von from the US and so forth...

Satyr is not even slightly as arrogant as Grutle of Enslaved, by the way. As you're saying, these guys have been brought up to entitlement and patriotic ideology. At least Satyricon are not inflated with the whole mythos/Viking thing.

Thanks for the input. I gotta check out those links a little bit later on. An interesting thing that Grutle seems so arrogant, because my personal experience is quite the contrary. But I'll give it a go later on! A kinda busy with Rauta video stuff + dayjob at the moment, because there are things I need to prepare later on, but I'll get back to this. Also, remember to check out today's video AMA 43.

Yes, I do understand drinking water. That wasn't the point. Everybody is free to do anything they want, but it doesn't remove the point that some of these things are outright hilarious in black metal context. Maybe you and me are coming from very different bm generations and/or backgrounds. :)

@@RautaMetal Well yes, I agree that with black metal where the musicians appear to take themselves so seriously and portray how 'evil' they are it is amusing to see them do, for want of a better word, "normal" things. I prefer the bands who have more mystique to them even if it is a bit theatrical and over the top. Anyway, Satyricon are now shit so it doesn't matter 😂. The Shadowthrone is their best and it's 26 years old!

@@IbanezFan550 Yeah, that "mysticism" and "anti-normal" is exactly the point I'm trying to make here. When things go too goofy or like "everyday life" with bm bands, or heck even most bands, it kinda kills the mood. It's like talking about farts and liquid shit when about to make love, you know. And unfortunately Satyricon is indeed shitty compared to their golden era. I actually made a discography video of their stuff in 2017.

I'm a gamer, what can I say. Benefits of the day job.

@@RautaMetal i have played call of duty online since call of duty2,also like battlefield and skyrim

Yeah. I have since the first one and before that Medal of Honor series from which it all started. Battlefield games are also good in multiplayer. Not so much in single-player. Skyrim was quite alright. Just too lengthy and repetitive.

@@RautaMetal good to meet fellow gamer/metalhead

@@Necroticnarcosis Likewise! We have 'em plenty. I've been playing games pretty much since early 80's and still playing a lot.

Unfortunately so. He has always been kinda snob and arrogant. My personal experience with him was quite okay, like he was polite and nice. I would nevertheless want to interview him again, this time for Rauta.

​@@RautaMetalkeep on the good work you're doing. Love your content

@@vanitazazas Thank you!

Ok.

brutalictesku :D

This is in fact a video published by a company that pays pensions to artists in Norway.:) They're extremely privileged to live there - in a country where Varg and Euronymous are "cultural export". :D kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nKeWfsZp1c-7n6M.html

+insightflow I almost knew it. All Norwegian Black Metal artists are going to be treated in Norway like national treasures equal to Edward Grieg or Johan Svendsen. That's the partly reason why Satyricon is so self-conciuos about their image. They know their value. However in opinion of their old fans they're sellouts which is true.

brutalictesku Regarding this sell-out comment, did you see the fan comment on my Watain video?

+Rauta No I didn't. There'll allways be fangirls, or -boys defending their favourite band no matter what. Personally I've allways considered Watain as sell-out band and not worthy of listening to because of it. Comparing Satyricon to Finnish bands such as Beherit or Archgoat, they'd never hold themselves equal to fucking Jean Sibelius for example. That's why I find Satyricon especially ridiculous holding themselves such as high regard.

Exactly. I am still hoping for them to "come back", though. Just might never happen.

@@RautaMetal and if they do, hopefully to make better music.

Carl Andersson In what regards? I have stories to tell about Gorgoroth, too, but they don't belong to Satyricon video.

I mean, if you look at how pretentiously funny Gaahl looks in the Metalheads' journey movie, you can't help but chuckle. However, I'm glad that Vice revealed another side of him in their documentary, really dig his paintings.

Carl Andersson True that. Met him a couple times, once for interview and once on Wacken for a bit of a chat. Nothing to complain about him really.

Indeed.

Yeah, I get you. I think Satyricon was very inspiring band in the beginning. One of the bands carving their own path in the Norwegian bm scene in the early 90's. But I do get that for some it doesn't mean shit. It's totally valid opinion.

I've always been more towards the Emperor, Burzum, Darkthrone side of the black metal spectrum. When there are current era bands like Evilfeast that are consistently releasing new material that is just as cold, grim, and rotten to the core as what you'd expect to hear back in the early 90's, the more modern and produced sounding bands like Satyricon, Behemoth, Dimmu, Enslaved, etc seem like just a mere distraction in comparison. There's something about that cold, atmospheric, rotten to the core, sinister and authentic black metal sound that just penetrates the void and gives me a certain sense of spiritual fulfillment that the more modern and heavily produced sounding bands fail to deliver. If you want to experience a grim and frozen blast from the past in 2018 I highly suggest any of Evilfeast's material. Even their promo tape sounds like an early 90's classic masterpiece.

Th3Diab0lu5 Yeah, I know what you mean. Less mainstreamish bm bands are also to my liking.

Like this? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b76Ip7Gn0Zm6oJc.html

Btw. I tried to interview them at Steelfest 2018. First they said yes, then they just cancelled the whole thing without any reason.

Yeah I realised after comment thanks keep it up

Which woman you're referring now to?

that girlfriend wich supose be at the party doll at satyrs sex slaves called satyricon.

accept from people wich open satans worshipers honour and what not is like pedofile hate children...

I'll be honest: I have no clue what you mean. But it's okay. I don't need to know everything.