2024 Mustang Dark Horse | Why This Car Exists

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We review and test the new 2024 Ford Mustang Dark Horse with a starting price of $59,270. After speaking with the designers and engineers, we tried to explain why this car was created and the idea behind the design changes and added horsepower. As usual, we discuss the good and bad of the 7th gen Mustang. Others to consider are the FL5 Type R, Toyota Supra, BMW M2, and Corvette C8.
#cars #technology #engineering
Index:
00:00 Intro
01:14 Words from the Chief Engineer - Laurie Transou
2:56 What is Mustang Dark Horse with Jim Owens
4:35 The Styling Change with Exterior Designer Chris Walter
9:52 Interior and Exterior Design with Josh Grenier
12:12 Explaining Touch vs. Physical with Ruth Vann
13:57 Big Screens...
16:42 The Question of Age
19:48 Mechanical Impressions
28:18 Driving Impressions at Autobahn CC
37:33 Final Thoughts

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@theCycleReport 11 ай бұрын

We asked a focus group of people who can't afford the car how we should design it, and they strongly preferred "this".

@fgdgrddsew2 11 ай бұрын

This

@MartinFracker 11 ай бұрын

thing is, there are lots of people who will buy cars that they can't afford.

@Choppy2400 11 ай бұрын

This x2

@tri3pleagent 11 ай бұрын

Camaro listened too much to enthusiasts in my opinion...and it's on the chopping block.

@BigfootUnibrowMan 11 ай бұрын

@tri3pleagent That isn't why it is on the chopping block though. GM is going full stup- I mean full EV, and the Camaro doesn't fit into that plan.

@Nomikeal 11 ай бұрын

The only people I can imagine saying they prefer entirely screen based buttons have never lived with one. Everyone I know who has lived with entirely screens prefers the mixed style (buttons for climate, seat, and audio)

@AnontheGOAT 11 ай бұрын

Yup. I called BS the moment she said they prefer all digital or all physical but not mixed.

@Beer_Dad1975 11 ай бұрын

"If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." - Henry Ford. Modern Ford "Muh twenty-somethings who can't afford or don't want a Mustang, what do you want?"

@Lazirus951 11 ай бұрын

I feel like they just asked a bunch of people questions with out actually making them to use different configurations first.

@Beer_Dad1975 11 ай бұрын

@@Lazirus951 Prototyping is too expensive when you can rely on people feelz for free I guess.

@CubanRider 11 ай бұрын

I don't think their "clinics" involved changing the climate settings driving on a busy city.

@TheMclaujo 11 ай бұрын

So happy Ford went with dual screens and the innovative 10 degree cant towards the driver. I have a similar setup in my cubicle and after 8-10 hours staring at them I can’t wait to spend just a little more time looking at a similar setup on my commute home. Refreshing.

@MrGamman3yt 11 ай бұрын

I wish I didn't read this comment. Sad but true.

@MrGrim2u1987 11 ай бұрын

Touche

@DUNEATV 11 ай бұрын

I’m sensing some sarcasm

@Lifeof728 11 ай бұрын

"The focus groups really liked the Acer computer monitor setup as it reminded them of working from home during the pandemic."

@ClickbaitMotorsports 11 ай бұрын

😂 😂 😂 But has Unreal Engine graphics. And a shiny new shift knob. 😂😂😂

@snvffxxx 11 ай бұрын

The more i see those big screens in the new cars, the more i want the analogic tachometer and speedometer back.

@Reginald_Harrison 2 ай бұрын

This generation of vehicles (with all the controls in the infotainment screens) will age worse than any other by far, especially once they haven’t received any software updates for 7+ years.

@bicboi1930 Ай бұрын

Yeah the screens are lazy eyesores

@SalvoSLR 11 ай бұрын

Mustangs engineer: “we don’t really have any prominent undercuts on the vehicle” Mark: cuts video to prominent undercut on the rear of the vehicle 😂

@squidikka 11 ай бұрын

Reminds me of the Canada Pearson airport video where the boss lady of the airport is lying through her teeth on how the flights are doing great and improved and the cameraman pans to the flight board literally right above her that shows almost every flight delayed or cancelled.

@NotAnonymousNo80014 11 ай бұрын

All about that CO2.

@BizaroStormy88 11 ай бұрын

And the doors lol

@mcbrian 11 ай бұрын

Can't look past the insanely shitty looking black plastic all over the car. Making the focus group out of a bunch of zoomers was a terrible idea. This will age very poorly

@Slipstreamaudio 11 ай бұрын

The iPads stuck to the dashboard have got to be a joke.

@pvtcmyers87 11 ай бұрын

So great to see Silverback Jack back in his natural environment.

@OdyTypeR 11 ай бұрын

The editing at 29:35 with the Shakeycam and music drop made the whole video for me.

@yamabushi_nate7825 11 ай бұрын

Silver-baku Jaku

@misterhat6395 11 ай бұрын

Raising the T-levels

@mcghee8071 11 ай бұрын

Should’ve said habitat. That’s a bar 😅😂

@buttsexandbananapeels 11 ай бұрын

Ooooh ooooh ooooh!!!

@bobloblaw3191 11 ай бұрын

I always take the story behind the badge design into consideration when I'm car shopping

@rickybobby8224 7 ай бұрын

I know exactly what you mean. One should always lead with the story behind the logo change.

@PianoBlackTrimRep. 11 ай бұрын

Can't wait to see some new content on KZfaq with mustangs flooring it 100% while pulling out of Cars And Coffee events and hitting pedestrians, curbs and other cars. It's been a while.

@marcharris4176 11 ай бұрын

Bad drivers drive all brands. Just there is so many more mustangs than others because how good they are.

@fhowland 11 ай бұрын

😂

@Bertinator-nm9ld 9 ай бұрын

@@marcharris4176Honestly, I think it's just a factor of how cheap Mustangs are, considering they make over 400hp. That's a lot of car for not a lot of money! Very often it's someone's first high horsepower rwd vehicle. What do you really expect, at that point?

@bwuki 11 ай бұрын

They reference the data a lot when it comes to user preferences, the one thing I’m curious on is if the data comes from people who buy mustangs or if it’s a general review board from within the company. I personally haven’t met anyone that says they like digital climate control versus physical

@oppos727 11 ай бұрын

I feel like it’s just a plausibly deniable excuse of a story that let’s them justify what’s actually a cost-cutting measure, at least from a PR perspective

@josephkorger 11 ай бұрын

Agree, climate controls in a screen is a bad idea 100% of the time. Incredible car otherwise

@AnontheGOAT 11 ай бұрын

Ya they should learn from other automotive makers who have learned from the mistake of going all digital for HVAC etc. Oh well, they’ll learn soon enough.

@youtubasoarus 11 ай бұрын

The only people they should have been polling were previous mustang owners and enthusiasts who would buy it.

@scholz222 11 ай бұрын

This looks like a video game simulator on the inside.

@dielaughing73 11 ай бұрын

I've said it elsewhere, but the reason you get this exceptional access to the engineers and designers is because you actually listen to what they say and tell their story. Please keep doing what you do and granting us access to the inner workings of the industry.

@ItsAlive111 11 ай бұрын

They provide a pre-recorded, rehearsed, edited, sanitized, glorified, legal team reviewed and approved, story would be more accurate.

@jakesnake1793 11 ай бұрын

@@ItsAlive111your cynicism aside, it’s refreshing to get perspectives across multiple levels of their development team. This style of video isn’t something you see from any other channels.

@ItsAlive111 11 ай бұрын

@@jakesnake1793 agreed

@davidryder3374 11 ай бұрын

@@ItsAlive111 Exactly. These teams are drooling at the chance to put out these presentations to a cultivated audience. It's called "marketing". Nothing against the Geese, but now these videos all sound exactly the same.

@THESLlCK 11 ай бұрын

@@jakesnake1793 his criticisms are real. These aren't refreshing perspectives. These are prerecorded voicemail messages. You are being lied to and yet you just like it so you're rolling with it

@twotrackjack2260 11 ай бұрын

Thanks to videos like this we can get some answers to what the hell were they thinking when they did this, i really appreciate that. Its interesting that Ford designers managed to capture so much of the current camaros design in the 'all new mustang'. I also old enough to remember the first time the car industry tried going to all digital guages in the late 80's and early 90's.. it didn't go that well. I'll be stunned if any of these new digital guages last more than 10 years without problems.

@krisreilly8856 10 ай бұрын

I'm not going to write off this concept entirely, but.........the more companies that do this kind of stuff, the more thankful I am for how analogue my miata is.

@heathergreylive 11 ай бұрын

As a Charger owner: I'm going to give one of these a hard look as soon as my credit recovers.

@jackholmes8105 11 ай бұрын

😂

@FOWBOWZ 11 ай бұрын

Based 💀

@RobertLeBlancPhoto 11 ай бұрын

A Charger owner with good credit is an oxymoron.

@BlackTransAmdude 11 ай бұрын

@@RobertLeBlancPhotowell once he has good credit, he won’t have a charger anymore. 😅

@heathergreylive 11 ай бұрын

@nomenclature9607 Yeah, all four of them.

@jonp1115 11 ай бұрын

Very disappointed to hear the engineers chose tacky screens to target a "younger audience" that cant even afford this car in its base form.

@dylan_50 11 ай бұрын

I'm sure cost cutting was the real reason for those screens

@tim3172 11 ай бұрын

Very disappointed that you don't understand that there are *literally* millions of "younger" people who have wealthy parents or who can just afford this. I come from poor-as-hell parents, but my first adult car was a new 2014 Audi S4 that I treated myself to at 24 years old. That thing was $59,590. The new Dark Horse is only $57,970 (bargain). Most of the young people I worked with had cars ranging from new Mustang GT's to Mercedes C 63 AMG's. The narrative that all young people are broke (or don't have wealthy parents) is simply false.

@mattdirks7896 11 ай бұрын

As a "younger audience" member, I'm not a fan of the ipad on a dash strategy.

@RCXDerp 11 ай бұрын

@@tim3172 If you think they aren't going to put 15k of ADM on this thing you're smoking crack

@mementomori29231 11 ай бұрын

I'm digging the big screens. I remember when people moaned and whined about big screen phones, how small screens were perfect. Now all phones are big because they sell. Same thing here. You all can whine all you want but you'll be the minority.

@corysekine-pettite1783 11 ай бұрын

Love the access that you get in these videos. Thanks for sharing the designer/engineer perspective on why these cars exist. Great stuff as always.

@Dowlphin 11 ай бұрын

If he was Musk's darling, he would have the access of e-ville.

@kayakkevin 11 ай бұрын

Mark really knew his stuff during the mechanical impressions! He even lost weight!

@glock22357 10 ай бұрын

Know how I know you're gay?

@apm3rk 11 ай бұрын

There was a jaw dropping amount of discussion from the Ford employees about things that change absolutely nothing about the driving experience…

@12ealDealOfficial 11 ай бұрын

"Here is my personal story that doesn't mention anything specific about the car."

@mikeicee 11 ай бұрын

LOL notice the front badge looks like its just injection moulded with the grill. LOL they digging far to save dollar.

@MrGamman3yt 11 ай бұрын

This is what's wrong with society. NYC and Hollyweird run the media and world, and tell my kids what they should like, and how to act. Oh, and we all know that it's the 5 rich folks running the media. How to be a slave. Good lord this is boring listening to them. I guess car people don't buy cars anymore. No hoods up around neighborhoods anymore. 2 themes. 30 millennial and Gen z. Progressive and modern. Omg, have you had discussions with any of them?

@CozyKG 11 ай бұрын

*watches a video called "why this car exists"*....*complains its a video about why the car exists and not the driving experience*

@Lifeof728 11 ай бұрын

Exactly. Seems like they literally spent their budget to make it a better rental car.

@chuckystang 11 ай бұрын

No idea how those screens passed any sort of legit litmus test unless they only asked 21 year old influencers. At the very least make them shaped like gauges or something or maybe seamless under the dash but to just have them sitting there like an afterthought is a travesty. The issue with the styling approach on the inside is that it will quickly look dated because tech advances so quickly. The interior is a complete miss on this car.

@HerrPoopschitz 11 ай бұрын

Ford does have a love of stupidass influencers...🤔

@Lazirus951 11 ай бұрын

Yea, agreed. This is sexy on a showroom floor right now to young buyers that can't afford it.

@Paulfromwish 11 ай бұрын

Imagine what this interior is gonna look like second hand after 2 years good lord Looks like 2011 android tablets

@mementomori29231 11 ай бұрын

Man you must be an old fogie. The screens will always be up to date vs boring dials that never change. Even the original model S screens look modern because of software updates, vs a 20 year old car. You guys are funny and weird as hell.

@Paulfromwish 11 ай бұрын

@@mementomori29231 mate I’m 30+ it’s not a modern frameless intergrated screen like a Tesla, other then the dark horse for its tremec the GT and ecoboost models are gonna depreciate like hell with these Kia tablets

@thelifeofguyon 11 ай бұрын

SO excited to watch this. Thanks you SG for routinely putting out such excellent content!

@UncleRayRayGarageEmporium 11 ай бұрын

I love these videos! So much insight into the design and engineering of influential cars. I hope manufacturers take note of you, and the fair exposure you produce for the car nerds lurking the net.

@asheru9254 11 ай бұрын

I'll never afford this type of car but I enjoy watching savage guesse from Kenya since 2018. Keep the good work guys

@twowheeler1000 11 ай бұрын

Never say never, who knows how your life will work out dude

@JJ-mh3hb 11 ай бұрын

If it makes you feel better I'm in NYC and just like you, can't afford it 👍 head up

@Josh-cw8by 11 ай бұрын

I hope you stumble upon a backpack of 400 grand and buy yourself a Dark Horse.

@bwSteen 11 ай бұрын

move to america and can achieve a car like this in 5 years from ground 0 hardest part is credit history

@Josh-cw8by 11 ай бұрын

@@JJ-mh3hb That doesn't make him feel better. NYC has the most expensive rent on the planet. Of course you can't afford a car. Hahaha

@lowandslow24 11 ай бұрын

Watched your entire live discussion last night... I know "you created" the monster of your channel (us expecting stellar editing, in-depth analysis, etc.) but there isn't anyone better because of it. Most of us don't realize how much effort it takes to make this content. But we appreciate it! No matter when you quit this, thanks for what you have contributed to the community.

@demongawl 11 ай бұрын

Was he talking about quitting?

@ghoulbuster1 11 ай бұрын

None else makes reviews like goose.

@TooTallTang 11 ай бұрын

@@demongawl Sadly, they have alluded to it once or twice on their discussion sessions.

@lvbuckeye 11 ай бұрын

@@ghoulbuster1yeah, but none of us care about his opinion on the new (NON zoom-zoom) Mazda CX9 or whatever. (What a collosal cock-up! Mazda has been all about zoom-zoom for DECADES, and now they're trying to pivot into entry-level "luxury" or some such nonsense.) This used to be an enthusiast car channel. I guess they got too big or something. I was surprised when this upload showed up in my feed. I thought the next thing I would see from SavageGeese would be a video about how the new Nissan (insert bullshit rental fleet car here) is a perfectly adequate car for you to drive while the last vestiges of automotive enthusiasm in your body slowly leak out onto the tarmac to die. Idk if HE is jaded, but he's certainly making ME jaded.

@ChirpingChocobo 3 ай бұрын

Love the Retrowave music in the background 🤙

@Asylem9 11 ай бұрын

As a Camaro fan... I have to say that this design direction was a good choice. Nice job, Ford!

@ClickbaitMotorsports 11 ай бұрын

😂 Touche.

@TheMsr47gaming 11 ай бұрын

Looks like and aftermarket s550, infact you could make bodykits for the gt500 that would probbly be one to one. The universe is the limit and they move 2ft...like come on ik you can do better.

@THESLlCK 11 ай бұрын

agree, they've designed a fantastic next gen camaro

@Sly_Wolf_1 10 ай бұрын

@@THESLlCK 👏👏👏👏👏👏

@NarLyNaRdi 10 ай бұрын

The hood, and the whole side profile is absolutely screaming Camaro! Hell, the vent inserts in the hoods are exactly the same as the ‘19-‘24.

@Sawubona2007 11 ай бұрын

18:15 "I literally had so much fun in there I didn't think to start the car" That's the damn problem nowadays.

@Mortalcoil100 11 ай бұрын

Really, you guys do great work when it comes to covering cars. And, special edition videos like this are amazing and superior to anything else out there. You should be really proud videos like this.

@CeeJay591 11 ай бұрын

100% agree - amazing work

@Tofuisyummy 11 ай бұрын

SG is second to none at this. Production value is insane and tbh manufacturers should (if they are not) be paying them for this kind of work to show off their cars

@stevesovis5855 9 ай бұрын

Totally agree. Hey everybody send this to your buddies, get them views, hence $$ to continue. First class Mark & Co. hang in there. Maybe focus on ICE drivers cars past and present. It’s your heritage and strength. Focus limits your market but avoids putting you up against the personalities of the moment. Focus is your future. Pick a segment and COMMAND IT.

@Hybris51129 11 ай бұрын

I was really hot on getting a Dark Horse but now as my savings get to the point where I planned on pulling the trigger I am cooling off because of the virtually all digital interior. For me this car has to be my DD for 10 years minimum and I just don't have that level of trust in the reliability of the screens. I am hoping that the Shelby that is said to be coming in another year or two will have a more traditional interior otherwise I will likely start looking at F-350 or something along those lines.

@haggard1378 11 ай бұрын

Get the F350. Fucking beautiful and I’m a Ram guy.

@wh0_am_152 11 ай бұрын

The digital dash will almost certainly last 10 years they are designed for a minimum life of 20,000 hours or 2.3 years of 100% on time assuming you drive less than 5 and 1/2 hours a day they will last more than 10 years.... Hate that they moved climate control to the displays though.

@joshuabennett8110 10 ай бұрын

How about the Shelby 350GT?

@Hybris51129 10 ай бұрын

@@joshuabennett8110 Honestly could never find the appeal of the 350. It usually didn't have the power of the 500 that was usually also available and was only a little cheaper so if you were buy one anyway the 500 was likely with the same budget range.

@donovanhodges6195 11 ай бұрын

Absolutely beautiful video. You guys have perfected the docu-style!

@shishkebaba 11 ай бұрын

You can tell the exterior design engineer would have had it a different way. I would have liked to see that retro mockup

@d_all_in 11 ай бұрын

The retro look is corny

@THESLlCK 11 ай бұрын

the 2008 mustangs and camaros looked great. Maybe not original and a little disproportioned, but they're great. The challenger still looks amazing.@@d_all_in

@haggard1378 11 ай бұрын

It looks exactly like the last one

@BRAINFxck10 10 ай бұрын

@@d_all_innot if done right like the Challenger, I’d take a Hellcat over a corny Dark Horse any day

@pawg206 10 ай бұрын

@@BRAINFxck10 ok

@nikkodnp 11 ай бұрын

You're the only youTuber who puts out quality content that dives into the engineering, vision and future of unique cars like these. Thank you for your work and passion!

@timothycc711 11 ай бұрын

Being a FORD stock,GT350 Mustang owning fanboy I really, really enjoyed this video. Thank you Mark and Jack very much. I loved the Deep Dive with the car development team and all the technical info and cinematography. You are my favorite car reviewers on KZfaq.

@greenmadness1305 11 ай бұрын

High quality production as always, I really like your mixture of cineastic camerashots, valuable information from first hand sources and a glimpse of comedic entertainment. Well done, guys. Ah, one frank comment: looks like you spun out at 29:44 🙂 Should have done the cut half a second earlier 😊

@mrlloyd149 11 ай бұрын

18:15, this right here is my problem with modern cars. I love cars where I sit in them and the first thing I want to do is start the car instead of playing with a bunch of screens.

@chipattack912 11 ай бұрын

Complete clown shit

@wulver810 11 ай бұрын

Exactly, maybe the screen stays cool to the touch so when it is 99F you at least feel cool fn around with a screen. I bet that will last so long getting blasted in the heat.

@masonthomas9671 11 ай бұрын

Yeah the whole time he was talking I was thinking that actually sounded like a negative and not a positive. I want to get in a car, turn it on, everything is laid logically and with intent, start driving and just hit a button or turn a dial for drive mode and traction setting. If I’m digging through screens for 30+ mins it sounds like a nightmare

@Sly_Wolf_1 10 ай бұрын

I buy a car to drive it, end of! Not to get in and sit there pissing around with touch screens. When driving normally and playfully driving your car where are you looking for the majority of the time?.... The road! Not childish touch screen.

@SixSpeedSeven 11 ай бұрын

21:41 it was awkward hearing him talk about how much steering feel you get from the changes they made to the rack. Every S650 review I’ve seen has emphasized the LACK of steering feel.

@nicholasn.2883 11 ай бұрын

Is it different in the dark horse, I heard it might be different

@hkfan4596 11 ай бұрын

This. In at least 3 reviews I’ve seen the reviewer demonstrate ON VIDEO just how easy it is to move the steering wheel. There is zero feel and it’s completely overboosted. It’s like Ford made the vehicle for 5 foot tall petite women who lack the strength necessary for steering that has weight and feel. Garbage. No thanks, Ford.

@noodles9345 11 ай бұрын

@hkfan4596 Well a lot of women do buy Mustangs so it wouldn't be surprising lol.

@hkfan4596 11 ай бұрын

@@noodles9345 lol still very annoying that Ford catered to the lowest common denominator. That’s why I love the C7 and C8. Tight steering and decent feel. BMW made their steering one finger light and it feels downright dangerous at ultra high speeds. Why anyone would buy this over a C8 for just a little bit more money is literally mentally retarded.

@AlexWalter 11 ай бұрын

Savagegeese's technical assessment of vehicles is probably the best you'll find on KZfaq. Throttle house among others are nowhere near as in depth, and I say that as a huge throttle house fan. I always trust Savages opinion over any other channel.

@ChrisJones-yh2os 11 ай бұрын

Wish more vendors would work with you this way on the halo cars. Really amazing. Like the no question format, where you are guiding the interview but it is offscreen. I think the dark horse looks amazing.

@azizbass 11 ай бұрын

Wow,I'm very impressed with this production, Docufilm 👏 Mark. Your editing skills are amazing and must have taken says to do. Jack, great presenting, too. Thanks, guys. This film should go out on national TV.

@0mnil0rd 11 ай бұрын

Exceptional content, absolutely. I do like that a manual V8 is still available, but if you want to appeal to a younger audience, there are some major financial changes that would have to occur. Cost of living is astronomical in most areas, and with wages stagnating, the likelyhood that a younger person would be able to afford something like this as opposed to a used mustang is low unfortunately. In 1970, a new mustang Mach 1 would cost around $3500, with average income closer to $6000. Being able to spend half a years wages and buy a car outright just isn't how it works anymore. Today the average income is around $55000, which could get you a well optioned GT and leave nothing for food or rent. Younger people tend to make even less than average, so marketing this at them seems like a tough sell. I'm around 28 and work a pretty decent job with a college degree and all, and the only way I was able to feasibly afford a Mustang was because some guy in a Honda Element rear ended me at 70mph in my old car.

@enron9983 11 ай бұрын

The target audience is boomers who want to seem young or hip. They know no young person can afford this. The Ecoboost was made for the Indian market, and pawned off on young ppl as an "affordable mustang" which is nonsense.

@skateinspace 11 ай бұрын

oh theyll be inside this mustang...because it'll be their uber 😂

@truckercowboyed2638 11 ай бұрын

Ummm that's a dumb comment, this isn't for people on a budget.... Buy a Ecoboost for that...

@TheFogmachine803 11 ай бұрын

@@enron9983it’s priced in the exact same range as the MKV Supra and most of the owners of that car that I met when I owned one were younger late 20s. I bought mine when I was 26. Now I’m considering trading for this new mustang, tell me how they got the marketing wrong again?

@Lifeof728 11 ай бұрын

Its always funny seeing old farts try to appeal to braindead younger buyers with stupid focus groups. Just make a good car and pull your head out your ass. We all know those parts bin screens and electronic parking brake were mandated by the upper brass but theyll tell you PeOpLe WaNtEd tHeSe UNREAL ENGINEEEE

@FXPhysics 11 ай бұрын

I'm always asking myself: would I still want this car if it weren't the latest brand spanking new model? Then I realize that 99% of the appeal was in the FOMO, not the car itself. Great video nonetheless.

@yungrichnbroke5199 11 ай бұрын

Fomo is driving these insane prices including the black wings. Yeah I said it. CT5-V black wing is severely overpriced.

@Arizona9001 11 ай бұрын

That’s a great question . I’ll use it

@Mr.Thermistor7228 11 ай бұрын

@@yungrichnbroke5199the ct5 blackwing is a feat of automotive prowess. There are loads of overpriced non performing cars you could have used for your example, the blackwing ain't one of them

@borger99 11 ай бұрын

@@yungrichnbroke5199all cars are overpriced as is the nature of our economic system. Competition breeds extinction.

@_IMNNO 11 ай бұрын

FoMoCo

@fadedlogic1 11 ай бұрын

This reminds me of the Lincoln LS launch. Had the opportunity too drive Audi A6, BMW 5 series and Lincoln LS back to back on a closed course. Lincoln LS was a clear winner(yes stacked deck). The engineering team was there and available for questions. They were truly proud of their efforts and should have been. However, as soon as you asked them about the interior, they visibly squirmed and looked pained. All that great engineering that was saddled with an econobox interior. The Ford interviews barely discuss why you buy a muscle car until the mechanical impressions; they spent more time on the friggin screens then they did on things that matter! WTF, Ford. If Mark and Silverback Jack didn't drive it; I would have zero interest in the Dark Horse.

@brandonolney7936 11 ай бұрын

They also fell victim to people who think they can skip maintenance like it's a clapped out Taurus. Electrical problems too but those weren't too common comparatively speaking. Ford's had a long history of doing the right thing at the wrong time and not knowing how to Market it. From the Edsel, to the turbo coupe and SVO, the Lincoln blackwood/Mark LT, the LS. Sometimes they're too late(SVO would've caused big waves in the 70s when the oil crisis popularized Japanese cars) Sometimes they're too early(trucks today sell for 100k. The blackwood would've killed in a market like this)

@doug-core8850 11 ай бұрын

This is by far the greatest car review channel I've ever seen

@Angry_Gnome 11 ай бұрын

Beyond the amazing (and often hilarious) reviews, I absolutely LOVE the access and interviews with the engineers themselves. Nobody does it like you guys do. Mark and Jack, you are the best, please keep it up!

@cwx8 11 ай бұрын

really? i got bombarded by tone deaf corporate speak for 30 min.

@TheMsr47gaming 11 ай бұрын

@@cwx8 same like a robot trying to convivence me it has my best interest...lol

@yanboa 11 ай бұрын

Whenever you guys make videos that interview the team members, I’m always amazed whenever I hear about people who’ve been working at Ford, GM, etc for multiple generations…! To me, that’s unfathomable, but I also really respect that. Always good to hear about the people behind the products. Always. Stories do matter, and ideally, real ones.

@Corsair857 11 ай бұрын

Nepotism is great

@baronvonjo1929 11 ай бұрын

I would be so embarrassed to work at Ford or GM tbh lol. They are so passionate but they just produce so much crap it's amazing.

@gorgonismztruth1551 11 ай бұрын

it looks like too many designers were involved

@dan6871 11 ай бұрын

Probably explains why none of these companies build cars anymore

@TheChannel1978 11 ай бұрын

@@Corsair857 Or a mixture of not wanting to move due to family. But either way, I don't think somebody who works at the same company for 40yrs is pushing the envelope

@kelseykelderman6509 11 ай бұрын

Another great deep dive. Thanks boys.

@smashedhulk8492 11 ай бұрын

Fabulous work yet again.

@phosoup1540 11 ай бұрын

This is the video that finally made me sign up for your patreon. THIS type of content is what the car worlds needs. You're doing god's work.

@jackholmes8105 11 ай бұрын

❤

@JacesOwnWorld 11 ай бұрын

I got to view this video for free lol

@overbuiltlimited 11 ай бұрын

@@JacesOwnWorld You completely missed his point. Lol

@entertained... 11 ай бұрын

@@overbuiltlimited if you've ever had the misfortune of reading his other comments, this one comes as no surprise haha.

@Kurtiscott 11 ай бұрын

Another excellent presentation all around. Mark’s use of slightly unhinged B-roll is always a treat (Gen z guy and his increasingly hysterical reaction to his phone is just one example). Anyhow, cheers to you both.

11 ай бұрын

I love this format of video. I find it educational and entertaining. It's also lighthearted amidst a lot of heavy issues.

@_Makanko_ 11 ай бұрын

Great video, greatly enjoyed it.

@kurtstephan7039 11 ай бұрын

A video absolutely worth the effort--thank you, Mark, Jack, and team. I'm not even a Mustang guy, but have been eagerly awaiting this one.

@LingLing1337 11 ай бұрын

Thanks so much SavageGeese, I blast ropes to your videos daily ❤

@MegaRetr 11 ай бұрын

Another excellent presentation all around.

@jackholmes8105 11 ай бұрын

❤

@thelifeofguyon 11 ай бұрын

Killer piece of work, guys!

@will3tm 11 ай бұрын

Don’t ever stop making videos. Everyone of them is appreciated

@VWGTI123 11 ай бұрын

This video really explains why I will never get rid of my 2012 BOSS 302

@DrivenWildOutdoors 10 ай бұрын

Best 2024 Darkhorse Mustang review I have seen.

@RevMatch92 5 ай бұрын

got to love when you spin out at 29:43 but with the power of editing it seems you recovered! lol nice.

@Redpepper7376 2 ай бұрын

They definitely lost it😅

@jjlad5037 11 ай бұрын

I don't know anyone who wants big screens except marketing execs.

@michaelnoah3795 11 ай бұрын

Its great to see Mustang venturing into sports car dynamics instead of pure muscle but this new generation's price simply strays too far from its humble roots. It's never supposed to be a BMW or AMG rival, it's supposed to be affordable fun.

@Lifeof728 11 ай бұрын

The price is especially disrespectful given the car is just a warmed over S550.

@KC-lg8qf 11 ай бұрын

It's finally caught up with what a Camaro could already do and they are making you pay a hefty premium to do so..

@Lifeof728 11 ай бұрын

@@KC-lg8qf and it weighs 4 thousand pounds

@KC-lg8qf 11 ай бұрын

@@Lifeof728 it's insane smh..... I don't see any reason why they couldn't build this car 500lbs lighter, and 20 grand cheaper. It's like they're going to the BMW school of weight reduction.

@justin________7477 11 ай бұрын

Making it more of a sports car raised the price. You got what you asked for.

@SuperintendentChowders 11 ай бұрын

Easily the best 7th gen Mustang video out there. Keep up the amazing work. Cant wait for the NSX vid.

@tobiasleicht8650 11 ай бұрын

great video as always :)

@Lifeof728 11 ай бұрын

The fact that the designer said they wanted to drop the roof lets me know these people live in their own world. Literally everyone pans the Camaro for its low roof and shit visibility. Its partially why its dead but these guys at Ford have such a hard on for the Camaro that they were going to make the same stupid mistake 😂

@390fe451 11 ай бұрын

*roof AND belt line, not just the roof

@Lifeof728 11 ай бұрын

@@390fe451 they need to lower the damn seat rails. Sitting in the damn car like im on a bar stool

@revvolutions 11 ай бұрын

@@Lifeof728that's the Mustang driving position, it's for old people.

@TassieLorenzo 11 ай бұрын

If true, that would explain why (especially with this Dark Horse grille and graphics) it looks so much like a Camaro! IMO it was a mistake for Ford to remove a lot of the strong character lines from the S550 which were unmistakably "Mustang". For a car like this, for the buyers it is aimed at, something that is a bit retro is the way to go -- look at the success of the Ford Bronco.

@sdlausen1 11 ай бұрын

It's not the roof on the Camaro that's the problem, it's the stupid high beltline. Thank government regulations for that BS.

@saleen367 11 ай бұрын

Chris Walter said all that needed to be said. "We wanted to lower the roof, we wanted to lower the belt line significantly, but that would have meant millions of dollars of investment". Instead of spending the money to do the 7th Gen correctly, Ford half ass'd it and gave it a new name to create artificial interest. They then poured Billions with a B, of dollars of capital into EV.

@ghoulbuster1 11 ай бұрын

Money that will be wasted when none buys those fire hazards on wheels.

@TassieLorenzo 11 ай бұрын

To be fair, the proportions were the least of the problems with the S550. That the S650 is just a facelift and has the same proportions is not one of its issues IMO. The issues are more around the finer detailing of the body lines, the interior, the steering feel (in the standard model) etc.

@Kk_1100 11 ай бұрын

Yup

@XuandePD 10 ай бұрын

All these things would have resulted in a much more expensive vehicle. These engineers are passionate but at the end of the day the company needs people to buy the cars to make money.

@lbgstzockt8493 10 ай бұрын

You mean the fire hazards that burn less than ICE cars both in absolute and relative terms? The ones whose sales percentage increased by 10x in the past five years? Yeah, nobody buys those. @@ghoulbuster1

@Maximum_777 11 ай бұрын

28:16, I love you guys for pairing engine audio with the music, you get it in tune, and you make it swell a times with the track that's playing, absolutely love it.

@newtagwhodis4535 11 ай бұрын

Best analysis on KZfaq! Superb show as always. Surprisingly I really like this one, I wish the front splitter was bit Sevier for the money but it's not bad. Laughable how chunky the first retro remakes are comparatively, very slender. This seems way more approachable than earlier models.

@MaddNomad1015 11 ай бұрын

Love the Mustang nameplate but the price is insane.

@andyholstein237 11 ай бұрын

Even the base GT starts at 42k. The era of relatively cheap V8 power is sadly over.

@TheNotimprezed 11 ай бұрын

Would have been nice if the base GT had a $39k starting price, but there are not many 480hp cars in the low $40k range...

@clancas01 11 ай бұрын

especially for the power.

@TheMarine015 11 ай бұрын

@@bryangillis1839and Ford is well aware that Camaro and Dodge V8s are gone.

@169abr 11 ай бұрын

@@TheMarine015we’re back in the 3V days where Ford had no competition so didn’t care to push it.

@Affalterbach1967 11 ай бұрын

I just spent 4+ hours in a debreif on how important this video is and how good the coyote v8 engines are (they are built Ford tough).

@savagegeese 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for being a man for 4 hours

@terrancebulong4573 11 ай бұрын

Yep. The last gen Coyote, RPG took one, swapped out OPG's for billet ones, threw a turbo kit on it and ran 7's on a FACTORY SEALED motor. Unheard-of 😮 Ford knows what they're doing.

@ralkia 11 ай бұрын

@@terrancebulong4573 cough 6.0 powerstroke cough ;)

@169abr 11 ай бұрын

@@terrancebulong4573aldowelds took a stock motor gen 2 and went mid-high 7’s with it. Coyotes are the best motor Ford has put out in the modern era.

@terrancebulong4573 11 ай бұрын

@@ralkia international, not built in house like the new bulletproof high output 6.7 making 1200ftlbs easily.

@911goodlife4 11 ай бұрын

They definitely led the audience with their questions on digital vs physical buttons… I’ve never met anyone that actually lived with touch screen solutions that like them. Honestly kills what seemed like a driver focused car.

@helderoliveira6664 11 ай бұрын

Amazing review!!!

@Closertotruth2 11 ай бұрын

I always knew I was different. I like a mix of physical and digital controls.

@Lifeof728 11 ай бұрын

Yeah literally the best option is poo poo'd by some losers in a focus group.

@leonardomendez-zapata9032 11 ай бұрын

yeah, ain’t going to capture a younger audience with a $70k car lol

@ilovebanks1526 11 ай бұрын

Right? Why are they trying to capture a younger audience when you need at least decent 6 figures to be able to comfortably afford the car.

@bert_norton 11 ай бұрын

Marketing bullshit spun by people who make money by convincing shareholders that a phrase or moniker will change anything. None of these people care about the engineering, only the sales.

@Lazirus951 11 ай бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking. The vast majority of people you actually see driving $70k Mustangs are middle-aged dudes cause they can afford it.

@MeltingRubberZ28 11 ай бұрын

Those are the 2.3L lol

@offensiveexplosion 11 ай бұрын

100k after markups

@mtnbound2764 11 ай бұрын

really well done video

@117johnpar 11 ай бұрын

"We have a lineup for mustangs to suit anyones needs" Yes, A rental car v6, A GT sports car, a 'scat pack' (but not really) trim, A track package, And a crossover that replaces soccarmom minivans of old. Definitely covering all the bases there.

@CarsNVideoGames 11 ай бұрын

"We asked Gen Z and Millennials how to design the car" Me as a millennial: Yeah....Not a great idea

@TexasVexes 11 ай бұрын

Yeah I think I’m officially a boomer now I’m repulsed by all this tech in modern cars

@overbuiltlimited 11 ай бұрын

Yep, bs social media focus group mentality is exactly what led Bud Light to make the massive mistakes they did.

@ghoulbuster1 11 ай бұрын

We asked dumbasses that don't drive cars to design the car* FTFY

@BoneStack117 11 ай бұрын

Every boomer and gen xer I've seen shits themselves over gadgets in cars that they don't even know how to use (adaptive cruise, LCAS, etc). Most millenials and zoomers don't seem to car about any of that as long as their phone can pair to the radio.

@RCXDerp 11 ай бұрын

I think the GT350 front end still looks the best

@Markus56165 11 ай бұрын

Well done boys! The time and effort that go into videos like this is amazing. We're so lucky to get videos like this with access to the teams that build and design these vehicles. Thank you.

@Armen567 11 ай бұрын

Fantastic work here, guys.

@juancamongo88 5 ай бұрын

What a piece of video !!! I love it

@jkliao6486 11 ай бұрын

18:06 I don't think sitting in the car for 50 minutes playing with the screen to figure it out is a compliment. But I guess it's just me lagging behind the fast moving world in my mid 20s.

@johnbrobston1334 11 ай бұрын

Yeah. I just want to get in the car and go, not spend an hour fidding with screens.

@gadeane287 11 ай бұрын

It's obvious that the Geese twosome is well-respected by the product managers and engineers at Ford. The content of thsi video shows that you have tremendous respect for the Ford team. This is the car that those wishing to have a C8 would possibly buy. The trunk, back seat, and interior focused on the driver makes this a monkey car that's more practical. You could haul a spouse and two kids while hauling ass, something the C8 can't do. Outstanding work Mark and Jack. You are the very best out there.

@landonjennings-stoyles9804 11 ай бұрын

Super informative video

@SS-qu9nn 10 ай бұрын

This is and has been by favorite car channel on KZfaq. Been watching since the Turboski days and reviews of 2015 Mustang. Seems I have missed a lot of videos from SavageGeese due to YT algorithm even though I’m subscribed. Hope by commenting, that will prevent that. And no, I am not turning on notifications to any channel, so I can get dinged 100x a day.

@G82Jesse 11 ай бұрын

As always, highest production quality car-related content on this platform. Well done guys!

@adamyahya4638 11 ай бұрын

A literal ipad as a dashboard. What is up with designers? People want digital gauges sure, but you can absolutely design nice gauge pods as opposed to literally sticking a skinny ipad behind the steering wheel. No to mention this already looks dated lol. Imagine this thing in 10 years? How many critical controls will operate smoothly? They reference studies but garbage in = garbage out. People don't know anything and only look at big shiny new tech with wide eyes like a 5 year old. Once they live with it and see how it actually operates after years of use they'll quickly change their mind. This is where we need to rely on the professionals who have years of industry experience to bring people back down to reality. Didn't VW just go back on their gauge cluster/infotainment system and admit they made a big mistake with the mk8 Golf?

@user-qc7dr3cd3q 11 ай бұрын

Amen

@svn5994 11 ай бұрын

Isn't the MK8 still the garbage touch screen shit?

@erictenbensel6590 11 ай бұрын

Amen

@Rob165x 11 ай бұрын

When I saw this video I had to click it before any other KZfaqr did their driving segment. Mark and Jack are legendary.

@thatampguy Ай бұрын

The level of passenger seat pucker was hysterical!! 😂😂😂😂 I need you two to be in a cop movie as the fuzz.

@GothRocker7 11 ай бұрын

Great job Mark and Jack, again making not just a review but a historic documentary of the Mustang Dark Horse, I will always support you on Patreon. You guys are the best, from the intro to the music, the interviews, to the track, everything you guys do is top shelf. I was happy to see both Mark and Jack really liked it. I have a soft spot for the Mustang, Seems like a well put together car, I still will never be a fan of everything being a screen on the inside, but otherwise well done Mustang team, well done Ford. Keep this in mind, when the screen one day doesn't light up or turn on, you have no way to adjust your climate, see your speed, or gas, so again, wish they kept physical gauges and buttons at least for the important items.

@TheKstroke 11 ай бұрын

Loved the insight from the engineers. Thanks for all of your hard work on putting this video together.

@forrestsautoreviewsofficial 11 ай бұрын

I just love you guys so much. 😂 This Dark Horse seems like a great direction for Mustang. More handling focused and I’m all for it.

@THESLlCK 11 ай бұрын

you've never done a car review ever. You just ADHD swoosh your hands over plastic junk and it's revolting

@exxusdrugstore300 7 ай бұрын

@@THESLlCK goddamn lol

@pavu8469 6 ай бұрын

⁠@@THESLlCKhe used to do full length reviews on his channel and motortrend. But real reviews aren't for the tiktok kid generation, so he's gotta do what he's gotta do.

@HuskySFM 11 ай бұрын

15:06 the most violent shifter boot installation that I have ever seen.

@thegirthquake8574 11 ай бұрын

I enjoyed hearing the engineer mention there's more direct feeling steering-- yet Throttle House stated they couldn't trust the car because the steering was completely dead.

@Aki_Lesbrinco 11 ай бұрын

Throttle House were driving the regular GT trim and Savageese were testing the Dark horse. It's safe to think that the tunning is different. Hell, the manual transmission unit is different between the two.

@UnitedNaishuns 11 ай бұрын

Dark Horse prolly has different tuning and also has massive tires in the front which can push an illusion of good steering. You have so much grip up front you don't comprehend the lack of feel until the turn is already over lol

@AnontheGOAT 11 ай бұрын

@@Aki_Lesbrincoya but the engineer said the faster steering ratio is across all models.

@TassieLorenzo 11 ай бұрын

The Throttle House car had Pirelli P Zeros, presumably with soft sidewalls. It could be that the Dark Horse comes with better tyres (like Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar 3R)? ...Nope a quick Google suggests it has the same P Zero PZ4 tyres. So I'm out of ideas on that one! Perhaps it is just the calibration (and steering rack itself) that is different?

@TassieLorenzo 11 ай бұрын

@@DragonKnightX12 They tried all three modes. Unfortunately Ford has the mistaken idea that buyers want pull-drift compensation, which filters out steering feedback: "A software-based pull-drift compensation program that helps keep a vehicle equipped with EPS on track when faced with crosswinds or an uneven driving surface. ... The pull-drift compensation program operates via sensors that constantly measure wheel torque applied by the driver to maintain direction. Ford says the pull-drift compensation program is designed to increase customer satisfaction in steering, suspension, and ride quality surveys by up to 50%." Normally it would be noted that sportscar buyers *do not want* this, but Ford seem to have failed to oblige that! The old Mustang even had a rubber coupling in the middle of the steering column like a Hyundai Elantra (BMW E46 M3s had that too), why you would put a rubber isolator in the steering column on an enthusiast car, I have no idea!

@bradyschulenberg6848 11 ай бұрын

I can't believe they turned the undercover agent from Cars 2 into a real car.

@AncientFlorida 10 ай бұрын

Dude said, yea we wanted to give it more modern cues.... Put a grill opening here, a slot there' paint that area black. Perfect

@randysiggers5332 11 ай бұрын

Badass effort bravo! My RC-F is long paid for. This may well be my next car purchase. Good day, Good Goose, Good bye. ;)

@ShadowBend 11 ай бұрын

The screens remind me of a racing sim setup. The graphics and performance of the screen look fine, just the screens themselves don't look great. It is nice the amount of info they seem to provide also, but the previous gen had a better integrated digital display.

@MrCarGuy 11 ай бұрын

None of it looks appealing. Especially the UI

@noble20xx56 10 күн бұрын

For real. The dude did mention the use of Unreal Engine too. No wonder people are talking about the steering feeling empty. It mimics the the weightlessness.

@DeadBen. 11 ай бұрын

I have a Mach 1. Normally would feel a little bite for not having the incremental performance updates from the dark horse. But, the interior changes with those screens make me happy to have purchased the Mach 1 and not the dark horse. Still glad the car is being made though.

@fredwilliams7893 11 ай бұрын

Agree ! 15 to 2023 much better looking interior!

@ClickbaitMotorsports 11 ай бұрын

The Mach 1 (HP) is the best N/A S550 made. The GT500 being ultimate Mustang ever made.

@TheMsr47gaming 11 ай бұрын

Just wait lol just wait.

@ClickbaitMotorsports 11 ай бұрын

@@TheMsr47gaming Huh? Is Ford adding jet propulsion to the Dead Horse or something?

@TopAliGi 6 ай бұрын

@@ClickbaitMotorsportsif equipped with the Tremec manual transmission and Handling package

@WarriorsPhoto 11 ай бұрын

This is a gorgeous Mustang. I'm not much of a Mustang fan but this model? It's calling my attention and revving up those old driving passions.

@Bnhuskins 9 ай бұрын

As a previous owner of multiple Camaros, I like this new design😜

@rosgoncharuk2403 11 ай бұрын

Nothing makes me wake up faster then Ford marketing explanations and big touchscreens talks!

@Lifeof728 11 ай бұрын

FOCUS GROUPS

@TassieLorenzo 11 ай бұрын

@@Lifeof728 Did those focus groups mention how they like the Ford Focus more than the Ford Escape? 🤔

@Xdev1lG00D 11 ай бұрын

I'm excited for this. I'm bricked up off this and it's not even the full video

@SupremeKid98 11 ай бұрын

Simping for sure

@simon.templar9998 11 ай бұрын

Dude!🧐

@TJ_Kirkland. 11 ай бұрын

Same. I’ve had a hard on for the past hour.

@ThisisPhillip 11 ай бұрын

Calm down sir !

@Thomas-rp9qp 11 ай бұрын

No one else makes documentaries on brand new cars. Thank you!

@bleebleblahble8833 11 ай бұрын

Good to see Tim get the nod from the mustang group after being responsible for cars such as the Fiesta ST. He’s the best of the bunch.