LOL. If you are in a Genesis, you are one of the "poor people".... :-D

I was talking to John Business the other day. Those poor people in his way really grinds his gears!

@@trevorsutherland5263 seeing as the median yearly salary for Americans almost equates to the total price of this car idk how true that is lol

@@quin1767 you can pick one up for cheap used with no miles lol.

@@Nemixx you’re not finding a 2022 v6 under 40k and still that’s not cheap for the average American lmao

I agree. We are a Toyota family. My Dad bought a 2009 Genesis on a whim and it went 228,000 miles trouble free, causing us to develop another lust -- the reliability -- in light of its value. In the last eleven years, no other car manufacturer has altered our family's conservative perception of cars in such a positive way as Hyundai and now Genesis.

@@ArtecusIn 2009 I told my family the Genesis sedan is a really nice bang for the buck car but they didn't believe me and got a loaded Altima. Didnt drive it much but It had so much problems.. really missed out big time on that og Genesis.

@@chiuuuuuuuuuu I am so sorry to read the regretful news. My sister has an RX 350 and her husband, my brother in-law, because of my father, got a GV70 3.5T. I have a Toyota Tacoma and because of my father, a G80 Sport 3.3T. Mother has RAV4. Brother has Maxima AND HATES IT. (He is looking at Accord and Avalon). I encourage your family to seriously consider Genesis the next time around.

@@Artecus Very nice choices you have right there. And i definitely want a GV70/80 in the future when the chip shortage die down. They are amazing cars.

@@Artecus Marin Winterkorn said ages ago that out of the Asian companies Hyundai will give them the biggest headache. I'm not surprised.

Drones are amazing.

Wonder what camera they use?

@@Eternalmotors prolly GH5s or something along those lines. Allthough I vaguely remember him talking in a livestream about upgrading to a dedicated canon videocam, but did not go into detail...

I agree. It feels like they missed the mark when it came to price comparisons. at 55k you're looking at the base level for all the german competition with their respective turbo V6/I6. And to even get them fully equipped similar what the g70 will offer fully loaded, you're gonna see a 10k - 15k markup to match it. A better pricing comparison would be that for a fully loaded V6 g70 you can get the base 4cyl. german competition fully specced. So the g70 is still giving you greater value. I have an Audi S5 Sportback with the prestige package and optional s sport package that comes in at nearly 70k. for people not interested in paying the german prices (and there are a lot of people) this is a great alternative for a car that has 8/10ths of the performance of the german competition

And depreciation is your friend. Value of a 2year-old Genesis is insane.

@@Eric_Nielsen Annnnnd……it still has warranty and reliability waaaay better than the Germans.

@Ralph B From my and my friends’ experiences with them.

@@layne4376 they're cheaper because they produce their own steel among other components.

exactly.. interior is the only flaw which they are capable of doing better.

An M340 at 54,700 is not comparably equipped like the G70 at that price. BMW will be at least 10k more with similar equipment.

Add any options to either of those and get back to us. 330s all around 50k when they show up, and m340i pushing 63+.

I crossed shopped g70 with s3 and s3 was like 18 grand more

Exactly. I was considering the M340i before I bought my G70 3.3t Sport Prestige. A similarly optioned M340i was a minimum of $10k more.

I know right. I’m looking at g70 vs comparably equipped m340 and it’s 23k more all in and 3% worse financing. I am in Canada for context.

It doesn't come with a reputation. It's not a "what's a turn signal" BMW, a "90 is normal for this highway" Audi or "I have every right to drive 70 in the left-hand lane" Lexus. And for what you can get used, there's not much competition.

idk about that, I saw an awful lot of plastic on that 3.3L, not to mention hyundai isn't known for making quality engines (theta II for example)

@@busterscrugs "Quality" is a fleeting ghost, wafting through the ether surrounding us all. Just watch as the plastic water pump disintegrates before your eyes in the middle of nowhere... or perhaps the head bolts will spontaneously let go on your AMG MB... or maybe your BMW bearings will grenade because of ridiculous tolerances... or marvel as the valvetronic system, or your DSG, goes ape-shit as the plastic electrical connectors dissolve into the sands of time... and don't forget to replace your AUDI plastic PCV every 30K miles... but its gonna be a fun weekend because you can replace it whilst spending the weekend cleaning carbon from your valves... and I'm not even gonna touch the Porsche IMS or bore scoring problems... or the plastic hose connectors, or the completely chickenshit, glued together rear main seals... At least the Koreans will cover your ass for 100K miles, or so I hear. Yeah, the German produce quality designs, just as Zeus is the King of the Gods... if you are a believer.

​@@dannoyes4493 sir, this is a wendy's. write me another essay about hyundai's theta II engines that lock up on the highway due to poor manufacturing

@@busterscrugs no need. After the fires, Hyundai increased the warranty to 10 years / 120,000 miles. - Haven't seen many German manufacturers do that

_You will own nothing and you will be happy_

More people lease in eu than buy, there's also stricter yearly inspections. BMW have no reason to build cars that last or for the second or third owner.

@@marklion315 True, especially since those later owners are probably in Russia or Southeast Asia, where the brand matters more than anything. There They keep the cars going with whatever is at hand. Air suspension failed - put in coil springs. Active dampers died - we have regular shocks for that.

That won’t happen. Rich people want to lease and dump. That’s what I’ve done. Business write-off. When warranty is done, I am done.

Agreed. You will not find a base level, low optioned car on any German marque dealer lot. They are pretty much all loaded with crap you don't need. You can't get a manual anymore, either. That is, unless you're willing to put up with an M car.

Exactly. The base prices are a fiction for advertising purposes. They all have a long list of overpriced options and the cars on dealer lots have thousands of dollars of them. As with the Japanese brands, the Genesis has a few sensible packages and few individual options. It keeps the prices down.

Always the case. 20 years ago, only a 7 series had a/c as standard.

Totally true. Previously I’d be ok with the extra options if it was for things like comfort, power, sound etc. As of recently, those premium options are just shit driving nannies and shit infotainment crap that’s just annoying. As someone who’s only had VW, Audi, BMW, and Merc’s for the last 15yrs, I can’t imagine buying any of the German offerings available right now. I feel like the entire German automobile industry has lost its way. The big four all seem to be void of any original ideas or designs, while jumping to copy each other’s gimmicks that their own customers hate. It almost reminds me of the American auto industry in the 70’s-80’s as they where losing their reign as industry leaders. If they’re banking on people continuing to buy their car under the assumption of “superior German engineering” these execs are going to wake up one day realizing they’ve let an entire industry down with their complacency.

If you want a sedan that is sub 5 sec to sixty not a lot compete in the price bracket. I bought a g70 but crossed shopped many, many cars and almost went with the S3 but it was 15 to 18 grand more with similar features and performance, maybe a little more polished interior but now worth the extra cash in my opinion.

I both laughed and cried when I read this. The service advisor I trust the most at my bmw dealer just quit and to me it’s just like losing a close family member 😭

I heard the theta engines weren’t very reliable either.

This did not age well

BMW now 3rd most reliable brand in America behind only Lexus and Toyota.

@@BezmenovDisciple This is why I love BMW so much more than Audi and Merc. If we weren’t buying Acura, Lexus, and Mazda- it would be BMW and Porsche instead.

Lol i was in class today and when the teacher said read pages 56-69 i laughed so hard xd. lol like. like 69 is a sex position. thats why its so funny. so whenever someone write or say 69 i think of sex xd. omg its so funny im gonna cry lol. bro i kinda wish i could 69 someone irl ngl. maybe i wouldnt find it so funny anymore you know. haha omg i cant get over it bro xd. 69 = SEX. omg lol.

@@cibo4569 It's been a tongue in cheek joke for a long time now. Calm your tits.

@@donhill1825 he’s probably 15

Nice

@@ci6516 my university friends still find this funny.

Jack is right. You just have to want to experience the new brand. It’s not a better car than the Germans.

@@badopinion I have had both Audi/BMW before. It really gets subjective when choosing the best. I figured the Genesis wasn't drastically different then the others as a daily driver.

@@badopinion Well, it can't be worse when it comes to long term ownership.

@@badopinion It's still 15% cheaper than an m340i, much more reliable (important if you're not leasing it) and most would agree it looks better. Those are three very good reasons to consider it over the germans.

Spot on. It looks better inside and outside. More importantly, it has an "unique" look. Furthermore, it provides many bells an whistles to the base unlike the German cars and still costs 15% less. Yes, the engine is not as refined as the German ones, but the difference is not 15%, but more like 5-10%. I went from Audi A4 to Genesis GV70 2.5T AWD as the family car. I am less than satisfied with the mileage. I also find the breaking experience bit unsatisfactory. But I wouldn't have known unless I owned a German car before. In every other aspect I absolutely enjoy the Genesis more than the Audi.

*Cadillac joined the chat

Cadillac what? Whats that

@@sakshyamindrabudhathoki9157 whispers **blackwing**

@@aceofspades6667 he means throughout their entire line up. Genesis has better looking cars throughout. Btw, Genesis doesn't have anything that comes close to the Black Wings performance. So in that regard its not a fair comparison.

@@incipidsigninsetup I know I just watched throttle house review of black wing and it’s hilarious.

He's been slacking recently

They reviewed a Stinger which has the same engine with two tiny turbos. So they should know it is twin turbo. Otherwise the engine would have a completely different configuration with one turbo.

@@layne4376 a lot of Stinger and G70 owners think Hyundia is very conservative on their tuning and that they detune it to offer their 10 year warranty. Ie: some rumors hint that it’s an overbuilt engine

@@layne4376 lol u really know nothing. Think because it has 2 turbos instead of one it should have more power🤦🏻‍♂️. Ok let me explain since u don’t understand. The cars in this segment with one turbo have 1 BIGGER sized turbo. The cars with 2 turbos have 2 SMALLER sized turbos. They all put out between 12-16psi of boost. Just different methods. If you knew about cars you would know that lol.

@@layne4376 just more stuff to go wrong? ….stop it u own a bmw ticking time bomb lol. Saying the engineering isn’t good are you stupid? It’s built designed and engineered by Germans lol. More turbo lag then the other cars? The g70 is very responsive no more turbo lag then others in the class. And after i literally just explained to you about 1 vs 2 turbos makes no difference in the class of vehicles u still think it does. Wow lol. This dude is the only reviewer I’ve ever heard complain about the brakes. And even that it’s a simple swap to more aggressive brake pads. Have fun with that b58 sucking up oil like it’s water.

Enjoy your ride, Hyundai/Kia Notorious brakes pads & rotors problems, first thing I upgraded on my sonata were aftermarket rotors & pads, day vs night difference...👍

@MLWATKK It's the dumb European and Chinese regulations, both of which are Mercedes's biggest markets.

The TLX Type S is an overpriced joke for the price/performance. Slowest in class, by far, and you can’t even get it with a HUD. In its 5 years of existence, Genesis has blown past Acura (and Infiniti) in desirability, performance, and quality.

@Jason King Thanks for the detailed response on whatever you are disagreeing with... good stuff.

@Jason King Yup

the TLX is the better car

“It doesn’t MATTER how it drives”?? Are you bonkers? What’s the point of ever leaving your driveway, right? Driving MATTERS, please believe me.

Giulia is more striking IMO.

The new IS looks so much better

I agree this is a great looking car, but..umm...have you even seen a TLX type S? That car is GORGEOUS!

@@kevinbreese5739this car is like half the price and is faster

Yes please.

Yes, and find a CT5-V to test.

This is a good idea. Yes please.

All sound systems in cars sound bad. Its the nature of the space your listening in. Engineers will understand this comment while the audiophiles will aruge about it. Saying shit like you dont know what your talking about my car blah blah blah.

@@deluxsound123 ok…

I agree. Even if their peculiar bias is to assume that every vehicle wants to be a drag racer. Fortunately that bias didn’t affect this video, since the G70 3.3T is apparently so fast.

Hey Cedric, I am in the market for a new car and seriously considering the G70. Can you please elaborate on your dealership experience?

@@JIKI900 was kind of hoping for a reply here as well. I want to know how the valet home service actually works. When the program began here in Toronto, Canada i heard it was a disaster.

​@@JIKI900 I would never trust these folks. Like rotting teeth meth-heads who drink kesslers every night after work. 😂

​@@ezbaccI live in Markham. I use Ajax Genesis. My experience has been great. They have dropped off loaners and pick up my car for scheduled services with no issue.

That mode is on the Prestige trim which Savagegeese wasn't able to review.

I wonder if the GV70 awd has a similar mode, where 100% of the power gets sent to the rear wheels when on sport mode +? Interesting.

@@JT-fq2bl Wrong. Sport+ is on ALL 3.3TT models.

folks walk up all the TIME and ask about the car, particularly noting the Siberian Ice is the best color they've ever seen! Enjoy!

@@nicholascomaromi3881 it is a new car after all We'll have to see how it will age, time will tell.

@@dragospahontu I have a 14 azera which died to make way for genesis , and ppl still say it’s very beautiful

I got the RWD 2022 G70 Sport in Siberian Ice. I love it!

Yup! I have a launch edition in white. It's a rarity of it doesn't start a conversation... lol

Ya this is more like an S4

@@layne4376 What about upkeep costs? German cars will bankrupt you. How does the G70 measure up?

Drive the Germans on the Autobahn back to back to a Genesis, and you'll see why they cost more. The Genesis still feels like a Hyundai with a nicer interior at the end of the day. Everyone else, I repeat, everyone else, including Lexus, Infinity, Acura, Cadillac, Genesis, Volvo, etc. and others who'd like to compete with BMW, Audi and Mercedes, are at least a generation or more behind them in terms of refinement, feeling of solidity, feeling of being planted and stable at high speeds, quietness, etc. Now, you may say "but I never drive faster than 80 mph and I don't care". Well, maybe you don't, but it still doesn't mean that some cars aren't built to be capable of doing that, and others aren't, and it doesn't mean that those cars that ARE built for it cost more because they're simply objectively better. Genesis is one of those others that aren't built for it. Not that they're bad, but they're in line with their price tag. Even a EU VW Passat / Arteon is more refined. Again, it's easy to judge "luxury" cars when they're stationary or driven at low speeds, because it's not hard to make a car quiet, smooth and comfortable at low to medium speeds. But go take one for a spin at 150+ mph on some curvy and bumpy autobahn and then you'll see the difference in stability, solidity, soundproofing, feeling of security, etc. The difference is Audi / BMW / Mercedes feel natural and totally unstressed at those kinds of conditions, there's no more drama driving them 150 than there is driving them at 80. With lesser cars, there is more drama and a sense of "going too fast". All this comes from superior engineering and manufacturing that's designed to perform on a much higher level than average cars, because these cars are BUILT to be driven like that on a daily basis by ANYONE on PUBLIC roads, not just professional drivers on closed circuits. This is what I say to everyone who compares these wanna-be premium brands to real premium brands. There's more to a premium experience than nice materials in the interior, and you have to drive the cars to their full potential to realize it. If you only ever drive cars to 7/10, you'll never notice the difference between a car that can only reach that 7/10ths comfortably, and a car that has those extra 3/10th still available to it.

@@derbigpr500 What you are calling "stability and handling" at Autobahn speeds is just isolation. These other cars handle fine, but you are going to feel it a little more. Isolation is as much a weakness for the Germans as it is a strength. Signed, an Audi owner.

@@layne4376 Maybe. I'm not sold on fit and finish though. My inlaws have a 2017 M4 that I get to drive on occasion. Its only a couple years old with maybe 30k miles on it and its got plenty of squeaks and rattles (especially from the drivers seat) and has already had to go to the dealer for low coolant. The interior has cool lighting and stuff but it doesn't seem much fancier than a new Honda or anything. If performance is all that matters, then yeah, an 8k premium could be worth it to you. But I think the Genesis looks better on the inside and outside. That 10year 100k warranty is also going to make cost of ownership considerably cheaper than the BMW if you plan on keeping it for more than a couple years. The Genesis is for someone who wants an attractive, sporty, well-equipped car with a long warranty that will make it way cheaper in the long run than most other luxury cars.

@@sappyjohnson "German cars will bankrupt you." - That's utter nonsense. Stop spreading rumors based on absolutely nothing but your own lack of knowledge. Service them regularly as the manufacturer recommends and they'll be bulletproof. Just like they are in Europe. All these myths about German cars being unreliable come from irresponsible owners in the USA who never service their cars and then whine when something breaks down, and then to make things worse, take them to a local mechanic who has no clue how to work on the car, puts in cheap replacement parts to save money, or messes something up even further, which puts these owners into an endless cycle of repairing something that never should have been broken to begin with. In Europe a BMW, Audi or Mercedes with less than 200k km's is considered "barely broken in" and expected to still perform like new for at least twice if not three times that mileage over the years. But in USA you hear stories from people with almost brand new cars. I wonder why.... it's all down to owners not listening to manufacturers, ignoring dealers because there's this belief in USA that dealers only exist to scam you (maybe that's true in USA), and the tendency to repair cars with cheap replacement parts once something does go wrong. As for German cars being expensive to maintain...tell me more about how expensive my BMW 3 series that I have a 5 year unlimited km warranty on is, with FREE SERVICING for the duration of the warranty at the official BMW dealer, all I have to pay during service intervals is the work, which is like 50 dollars per service every 30k km's or 2 years, all the parts I get are original and fully covered, at NO extra charge when I bought the car. That's just how confident the manufacturer is that the car will perform perfectly for 5 years with no mileage limit. You can put a ton on the car in that time, I have 140k already in just over 2 years.

I also suspect Genesis dealers will be more likely to make deals (once shortages are over.) Unlike the Germans, they don't treat their cars as precious gems to be sold to buyers with all the money they ask for.

Agreed.

The interior quality is definitely lacking compared to Lexus, Acura, Audi

@@dragospahontu As a general statement, I definitely agree. But I was in a Launch Edition with the Sevilla Red leather and it felt really classy and comfortable. I also really don't like Acura's infotainment and I've heard Lexus's is cumbersome as well. I'd still probably pick the top trim G70 over something like a TLX Type S. Not exactly apples to apples I know, but I can only speak to what I've been in.

@@GearboxCarReviews i was just talking about the quality ignoring everything else which is subjective

@@dragospahontu Fair enough!

@@dragospahontu infotainment definitely beat Lexus fosho. Lexus’s infotainment got stuck in the 2000s

I’ve seen it hit or miss in the states tbh, some people are having atrocious services but that’s bc they haven’t truly broken away from Hyundai dealers yet. I have a 21 g70 and haven’t had any problems with how I’ve been treated for service. Sure sitting in a Hyundai dealership is not what I’m used to coming from bmw, but the features and 10k less in price vs a new m340i sold me

@@markmd695 As far as I know they have a little internal war with current Hundai dealerships. Genesis has a clear strategy of what it takes to be premium yet Hyundai delaerships feel entiteled to become also Gensesis dealers with what they already have and do. A lot of them are not willing to invest or understand that there has to be a very clear division between both brands on all levels - from entering the Genesis premises to having a seller and service that understands the level of cutomers used to BMW,AUDI,MERCERDES or LEXUS. In Europe they have different approach. THey have sort of Tesla style of sales approach - you have special show places for customers to experience the brand, but there is no traditional dealership involved. Meaning all sales and services are personal 1 on 1 experience.

I have had the 2019 G70 and the 2022 G70. Both 3.3T AWD. The 22 has the elite and premium packages, but both are very fast and comfortable. But, more on point: My dealer experience is fantastic! Burns in Cherry Hill, NJ (Genesis of Cherry Hill) with its concierge service is the best.

In Northern California, the dealership experience is straight up garbage with Hyundai/Genesis. Personal experience over the years with 3 dealers and haven't heard anything good about the others anywhere between the Bay Area to Sacramento

The Germans kill you on options. A theoretical base version won't be found on many dealer lots. The Genesis has relatively few options, and they're reasonable value.

Indeed. Looking at their upcoming Kia EV6, ioniq 5 and gv70 it's hard to really call Kia as lower tier. I think they're mistakenly blurring the luxury difference between their sub brands.

the TLX is the better car now

@@stanmarcusgtv I wasn't impressed with it.

The Cadillac CT5-V at a similar low US$50K price will be the best driver. That platform is chiseled from ingot!

Damn, the entire British? That's insane I wish America could united around writing youtube comments

Same car....

Why not a wagon instead of an SUV?

@@dragospahontu well, she wan't an SUV so that's a "damage mitigation".

@@rosgoncharuk2403 😂

@@rosgoncharuk2403 what are her arguments for wanting an SUV?

if u have more than 3 kids get a gv80 if not get the gv70

I agree except I'd probably throw the S4 under it too. The cars that beat it (c43 and M340) are about $6-10k more for same equipment

In terms of tech, the AWD, and overall performance, the S4 is slightly better

@@MyShawn82 yeah true. That's more me being a rwd pedant 😅

@@papa_pt Trust, I don’t blame you 😂

You mean at 7:35?

mate i really like your minecraft house tutorials never thought i would see u on my favorite car youtuber

bunch of ppl gonna click 7:45 and be like wtf going on

Couldn’t stop laughing at that 😂

😂

Perfectly said 🍻

Crossovers don’t have anymore legroom, they just have more height in the rear hatch.

I have the same issue like you, I have a dog so sedan is out of the question for me. I always complain that lexus has gone the route of no station wagons, you need a boring SUV if you want some cargo capacity..

@@henrik1743 there are fun suvs but they’re so expensive

Bros I've literally taken my car with my two car seats and gone to the genesis dealer. I put both seats in the back of the G70 and GV70 and there is a considerable difference in the back seat fit. With infant car seats (rearword facing ) there is a different fit than a toddler seat (feet hanging out the front). The G70 has a tight fit for an average sized adult sitting behind an average sized adult. A car seat makes it even worse where in the driving position I had to scoot the seat way to forward or have my 4 years olds feet hanging on my shoulders. Go sit in the G70 and GV70 for yourself to see the difference. For those saying buy a stinger sure I would it's a fine car but I the interior and build quality is a few steps below the genesis.

That argument isn't bulletproof because it's by nature of being bigger brands. There are cities/blocks where you see a Ferrari every other intersection too (Hollywood CA for example). The other thing is, the 3 German brands have so many models. You will rarely see true M, RS, or AMG in most places still.

@@dailyrant4068 argument? it's just what I WOULD DO. in a world of regular cars, BMW's, camaros, mustangs, chargers, and lookalike suv's, are everywhere. gimme something different. a Giulia, a G70, a Stinger, SOMETHING!

@@dailyrant4068 your argument is disregarded

I see what you're saying, but isn't it possible to order the car with the lowered options?

Genesis doesn't allow to put cars on order?

You can order the car, I'm sure. You may need to wait a while, but, who cares? You'll get exactly what you want.

You don't really get "more" in a Genesis. Unless you're into all that quantity over quality mindset.

I'm not really into buying brand new. I much prefer the off lease of 1 year trade method. Why buy a new car when you can get a 1 year old one with 2500 miles for 10k cheaper. This may have added tomy problems of finding one I liked because there are literally thousands of BMW's and Audis in all sorts of option levels and maybe all of 10 used and new Genesis G70's withing 250 miles

German and japanese cars sell from inertia because they already made a name for themselves

@@dragospahontu give it time when genesis makes a name for themselves. It’ll make the Germans finally step up

@@mewdrarkham5293 it will take a very long time. German and japanese cars will always be desirable but Genesis is coming strong from behind.

Same, and that's as someone who loves BMW. This thing looks way better than the new 4/3 inside & out imo.

@@m1l3s27 The 3 looks better than this, but the new 4 is atrocious

I thought the comments section would be filled on that.

My Veloster hit 170k until it got totaled. And my friend has a 05 Kia Sportage with 200k the newer car will have no problem hitting 150k the Germans idk

Hope so, although Hyundai’s recent engine problems have gotten me questionable about these turbo engines.