SBC STOCK CAMEL HUMP VS PORTED! LOOKING FOR HP?? How long does it take to port your own heads??

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Gold's Garage

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Ай бұрын

Have you ever wondered what a stock set of SBC
small block Chevrolet cylinder heads flow?
Bill Little puts two sets to the test, a completely stock head, and a self ported head.
What can you expect to achieve by self porting your heads? How long will it take?
Bill has the answers.

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@ejgrant5191
@ejgrant5191 28 күн бұрын
As someone who's dumped over $1000 (USD) into a set of GM "camel humps" for a 1970 LT-1 build....just buy the Trick Flow heads from Summit....They did a great job on those heads. The CnC ported Trick Flow "camel humps" flow serious air and the #1204 intake port will seal to a GM aluminum Hi-Rise intake....bigger sized ports #1205 or larger wont seal on a Z/28 hi-rise
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 28 күн бұрын
Thanks EJ. I have used the Trick Flow heads before, they do work well. AG
@robertwest3093
@robertwest3093 29 күн бұрын
THIS is why I love this channel so much! He covers the things most hot rodders are curious about but no one has answered yet. When he said that the throat was at 95 percent I cringed but it did better than I thought it would. I learned about the valve to throat ratio probably less than ten years ago. Out of all the reading and research I’ve done on engines and cylinder heads I don’t recall the throat area ever being talked about much.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 27 күн бұрын
Thanks for your comments as always Robert. AG
@pauldhiman8369
@pauldhiman8369 29 күн бұрын
This is a gem of a channel AG
@robertwest3093
@robertwest3093 29 күн бұрын
That’s what I say also!
@pauldhiman8369
@pauldhiman8369 29 күн бұрын
@@robertwest3093 mr little is a god too
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 29 күн бұрын
Thanks Guys. We will keep digging. AG
@jimclarke1108
@jimclarke1108 29 күн бұрын
i have a few Cheve books from Bill Jenkins and Davis Vizard from the 70's, amazing stuff
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 10 күн бұрын
Thanks Jim, I am rereading the Jenkins book now. Compared to these guys, we are just tinkering.AG
@strokermaverick
@strokermaverick 29 күн бұрын
Really like Bill's explanation of cam timing/duration, according to cylinder head characteristics! Sometimes, less is more. Matched parts, is key. Bill, is super knowledgeable!
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 10 күн бұрын
For sure, thanks for watching and commenting.AG
@toddbrown2236
@toddbrown2236 28 күн бұрын
Outstanding video! The technical information you provide on the science and rationale behind the decisions are excellent. I learn something new with each new video you post, Allan. A big shout out to Bill on sharing his wealth of knowledge and experience with us. The content, commentary, and editing in this video was fantastic. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and passion for engine building. I look forward to your next video.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 28 күн бұрын
Thanks Todd, looking forward to see you on the 13th. Your 389 is patiently waiting. AG
@jmflournoy386
@jmflournoy386 29 күн бұрын
At Bill's glad he is starting at .050 very important as are sunken seats (used to hide overlap) or different valve angles. I first worked on 327 heads pre introduction in fall of 62 for the 452 (4 1/8 x 4 1/4) for the life of me I can't remember if we ran the new 327 heads or the fully modified 283 "fulie" heads.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 10 күн бұрын
Great info, thanks Jm.AG
@91rss
@91rss 29 күн бұрын
someone told us that in the mid west, every farm kid bought what their neighbor did, so one Z became a town full. Dads bought a caddy. We heard too that some gas farm equipment had HP stamped blocks , 3 tons had LT1 cranks in them
@yarrdayarrdayarrda
@yarrdayarrdayarrda 29 күн бұрын
You don't find them any longer as the old cores have all but dried up, but you'd be amazed at what engine cores you could find steel cranks in.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 10 күн бұрын
interesting comment, thanks for sharing.AG
@alleyoop1234
@alleyoop1234 29 күн бұрын
My world revolves around old Chevy's and the gen 1 SBC. I still own Bill Jenkins book, and many others from back in the days! The factory Chevy Power manuals are an invaluable resourse too. Great video content Allen Gold and Bill Little !!
@Mark-um7ey
@Mark-um7ey 27 күн бұрын
Tons of useful info in the power manuals. Jenkins took it to the next level for what was proven to work with modification of the GM parts and did some wild stuff on the induction side. I used both back in the day. I built several big blocks back in the 80's using nothing but GM parts straight from the 60's manuals back when you could still get the parts and the power books and you couldn't beat the durability, everything was designed to work together and lived. Never had to guess what would work with what as long as you followed the recipe.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 27 күн бұрын
Great comments, thanks guys. AG
@mrho4speed
@mrho4speed 29 күн бұрын
Thank you so much for making and sharing this video = I have never seen this test done before! So much to learn about porting and air flow and cylinder heads. The engine is an air pump and there are so many factors involved with how an engine works!! Very interesting indeed!!!
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 27 күн бұрын
Thanks for the comment 4speed. AG
@billyjack8119
@billyjack8119 28 күн бұрын
Thanks for all the effort in the video making. Good guys and good info!
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 28 күн бұрын
Very nice!, thank you. AG
@davidmarshall8628
@davidmarshall8628 29 күн бұрын
If I remember what I read in Grumpy's book many years ago the optimum rod length to stroke ratio wasn't a fixed quantity. It depended on the size of the cylinder head intake port and intake manifold, displacement and desired rpm range.
@alleyoop1234
@alleyoop1234 29 күн бұрын
I concur, and from my memory Allen Gold's numbers are accurate to the book.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 10 күн бұрын
thanks for watching and commenting guys.AG
@davidmarshall8628
@davidmarshall8628 9 күн бұрын
@@goldsgarage8236 You're quite welcome. I really enjoy your channel.
@hughobrien4139
@hughobrien4139 29 күн бұрын
I really enjoy your conversations and work done with Mr. Little. He is one of those men with so much knowledge a seasoned professional could learn more in three hours spent with him than a person could learn in three years working alone.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 27 күн бұрын
Great comment, thanks Hugh.AG
@michaeltucker9993
@michaeltucker9993 29 күн бұрын
This is such a wonderful channel. Knowledge and experience. Thanks to both of you!
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 29 күн бұрын
Thanks Michael. AG
@UncleVom
@UncleVom 29 күн бұрын
So much great information and knowledge, applicable to not just SBC engines. I only hope the people who can really use and can learn from the knowledge offered here are watching and not just blindly hoping. grinding, polishing, potentially wasting time, money and power.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 28 күн бұрын
Good point Marcus. AG
@roberthollinshead2325
@roberthollinshead2325 28 күн бұрын
@Bill Little G 50:06 ood stuff! Anxious to see what they flow with 2.05 and good seat work
@glennbellman1100
@glennbellman1100 28 күн бұрын
Kind of the same theory, i built a 302 ford in 1984. I used 1970 351 w heads that i ported midly. Flat top piston, 500 lift cam. It made allmost 400 horsepower.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 27 күн бұрын
Thanks Glenn, the Boss 302 was an iconic engine also. AG
@royalemurry4026
@royalemurry4026 29 күн бұрын
Keep up the great content! You do very good job creating interesting content.Thanks for keeping the videos interesting. I always can’t wait for the next one. Thanks to Bill for his expertise. Thanks to Golds garage!
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 28 күн бұрын
Very nice comment, thanks for watching. AG
@thomasjohnson6616
@thomasjohnson6616 27 күн бұрын
Incredible presentation learned volumes today thank you
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 10 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching Thomas.AG
@ElvinLeadfoot
@ElvinLeadfoot 26 күн бұрын
Well this is certainly very cool. We get to witness a (Swirl Meter) Swirl improves low end torque
@dadalebreton184
@dadalebreton184 28 күн бұрын
Great video content. I always tought the flow had to go like a waterslide. Not like a pinball machine. There is sooo many factors to check like clearly explained by experts here. The balance between FLOW/PRESSURE/VELOCITY IS ALL CALCULATED WITH YOUR APPLICATION. Im no expert. Actualy Im a nurse who know more about the importance of a healthy body to keep all the vitals within the specs. If your running a marathon, you want good low RPM torque. If you sprint the 100m. You need the max high flow to feed the muscle as fast as possible. It's exactly basicaly the same principles as a engine. If you push it too much, it breaks. And any engines that it brand new eventualy worn down gradualy. Even the best builders know racing is hard on the components. Carbon and bad fuel mix clogs the flow little buy little. The main thing is that you love what you do to make it the best you can. Money as nothing to do with proudness. It pays only the bills. Not the soul. Dont forget your dealing with the engineers creations and making it better!❤
@billlittle4285
@billlittle4285 28 күн бұрын
Good explanation, my daughter in law is a dietitian and she's always at me to stay healthy just like an engine, I think we could learn from each other, but it doesn't seem to happen, thanks
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 28 күн бұрын
That is a great analogy, great comment. Thanks dada. AG
@darrencouse8017
@darrencouse8017 28 күн бұрын
Great content! I enjoy all of your videos!!!Keep up the great work!!
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 28 күн бұрын
Thanks Darren. AG
@danielbeiersr3642
@danielbeiersr3642 29 күн бұрын
David Vizzard ported the double humps, they out flowed AFR after market heads
@alleyoop1234
@alleyoop1234 29 күн бұрын
I wonder which number heads DV used, pretty sure I have seen that video already though..
@mikeg4163
@mikeg4163 28 күн бұрын
No way…
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 10 күн бұрын
Thanks for the info Daniel.AG
@patrickwendling6759
@patrickwendling6759 28 күн бұрын
Thank you for your knowledge and videos
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 27 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching and commenting Patrick. AG
@marknuenke1856
@marknuenke1856 21 күн бұрын
Thank you for your channel. You do a great job!
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 21 күн бұрын
Nice comment, thanks Mark. AG
@dondotterer24
@dondotterer24 29 күн бұрын
I agree with Bill the 95% intake port needs a 2.05 to fix it.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 10 күн бұрын
Good point, thanks Don.AG
@laurenceschnieber5370
@laurenceschnieber5370 29 күн бұрын
Learned so much last time from Bill glad you went back😊
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 27 күн бұрын
Me too, thanks Laurence.AG
@nerradnosnhoj5122
@nerradnosnhoj5122 29 күн бұрын
Keep feeding the videos !!!!! Thank You AG & Bill Very good information Thank you for taking the time to share info like this
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 27 күн бұрын
We will, more to come, thanks Nerrad.AG
@shane-222
@shane-222 27 күн бұрын
360 HP, 320 FT-LB, 15 in-hg. 10.5 CR, 7.11 DCR, 1.5 rockers. 286/294 adv, 0.525/0.510". 118/110 CL, Howards Flat Tappet Solid Headers, Heads Per Flow Bench BF240350 / BF248340 I think this meets all the project requirements and delivers the best power curve without high-ratio rockers or a roller cam.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 10 күн бұрын
Sounds like a good combination, thanks Shane. aG
@Tshade67
@Tshade67 21 күн бұрын
Tony's and 302 small blocks go together like peas and carrots. I've had a couple and about to build another one soon. Great video, thanks!
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 21 күн бұрын
Thanks Tony! AG
@lukesimeon5756
@lukesimeon5756 27 күн бұрын
Good info thanks
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 27 күн бұрын
Thanks Luke. AG
@victorE4me
@victorE4me 29 күн бұрын
Nice to hear you say zed instead of zee too, thanks.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 28 күн бұрын
Thanks for the comment Victor. AG
@allanacord7268
@allanacord7268 29 күн бұрын
Good Video Informative.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 27 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching and commenting Allan.AG
@billhendon1017
@billhendon1017 28 күн бұрын
Thanks guys
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 28 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching and commenting Bill. AG
@ericscrutchins6350
@ericscrutchins6350 29 күн бұрын
I also have a steel 3 in stroke small journal crank with the round flange with the notch like those DZ big journal cranks
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 27 күн бұрын
Thanks Eric, I think the small journal forged cranks would be quite rare now. .AG
@victorE4me
@victorE4me 29 күн бұрын
Great information, you should look each way when going through traffic light intersections though.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 28 күн бұрын
OK, got it. thanks. AG
@victorE4me
@victorE4me 28 күн бұрын
😊 I know it's none of my business, I'd hate to see you tee boned, that all.
@phildo39645
@phildo39645 29 күн бұрын
Good stuff guys.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 27 күн бұрын
Thank you Phil. AG
@timothymilam732
@timothymilam732 29 күн бұрын
I didn't think a 205 intake valve would fit, and lesve enough metal between the exhaust valve. We never went psst 202, but then I'm no expert on such things, and I haven't messed with anything like that in a long long time. But I do love a 327, with all the right pieces, and 302 sound real sweet between 5,000 to 6,800 rpms. Nice to see some folks that still appreciate the little mouse motors, and believe in what they're capable of doing in the hands of the right person
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 27 күн бұрын
Thanks Timothy, the 327 was my favorite engine growing up and still a sentimental favourite.AG
@lessharratt8719
@lessharratt8719 29 күн бұрын
I can't do it in 40. Workin on it.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 28 күн бұрын
A lot of work for sure, thanks Les. AG
@VORTECPRO
@VORTECPRO 28 күн бұрын
The 291 casting double humps on my shop truck flow: 201 @ 300 lift, and 260 @ .600 lift @ 28 inches. 2.050/1.60 valves.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 27 күн бұрын
Those are very good numbers Vortec. AG
@jimredding8315
@jimredding8315 29 күн бұрын
good info
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 27 күн бұрын
Thank you Jim, AG
@johnz8210
@johnz8210 29 күн бұрын
I think the local dirt track racers here used up all of those heads 40 years ago.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 10 күн бұрын
Thanks John, there are some left but getting harder to find.AG
@crazyoldbiker938
@crazyoldbiker938 29 күн бұрын
Thank you. I'm guessing that my heads will flow similarly. I'm using the Chevy Performance 492 camel hump heads with .202 intake valves and .160 exhaust, and 18 degree angle milled to 51.5 cc chambers. They have not been ported.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 27 күн бұрын
Thanks for the comment, that is a lot of milling.AG
@user-iq2vn7zv7g
@user-iq2vn7zv7g 29 күн бұрын
Great test! Are you going to show the numbers after Bill fixes them? Im sure he doesn't want to give away sscrets, but the numbers would be neat to see. Thanks !
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 27 күн бұрын
Thanks Mike, we plan to do that so watch for it. AG
@Comet-hn3gm
@Comet-hn3gm 29 күн бұрын
I have ported many heads, and plenty of them were cast iron. Monotonous yes, dirty yes, time consuming yes. You should wear protective gear not only for your eyes but also your lungs and ears. I know ! Working in a set of Aluminum heads now for a client.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 27 күн бұрын
All good points, thanks Comet. AG
@StuartBlake-iz6rf
@StuartBlake-iz6rf 29 күн бұрын
Alan and Bill. Good job, excellent viewing. just a quick question. Bill you are an expert, you take 40 hrs to do iron heads. Is it possible to see a good improvement doing it as a novice and no flow bench if conservative. obviously get a valve job with intake back cut at machine shop. love watching you guys. Was surprised about the Ford too.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 27 күн бұрын
Bill, can you reply to this please? AG
@yarrdayarrdayarrda
@yarrdayarrdayarrda 29 күн бұрын
10:15 Rod ratio, or rather optimum rod ratio, is folklore. If you build an engine with excellent heads and cam, compression, etc. and an identical one with a 0.250" longer rod any power difference is going to be in the range of margin of error for the dyno.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 27 күн бұрын
Good point, thanks Yarrda. AG
@ericscrutchins6350
@ericscrutchins6350 29 күн бұрын
I have a fall 66 327 two bolt small journal block for the first new model year for the 66, 67 Camaro it's .030 already and someone put a Mallory balanced 283 steel crank in it to build a 302 + .030
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 10 күн бұрын
Thanks for the info Eric.AG
@roberthollinshead2325
@roberthollinshead2325 28 күн бұрын
I've worked on quite a few Z28's, is it a Canadian thing to call them a ZED28? Never heard of this before
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 27 күн бұрын
Thanks Robert, one of the few differences between the US and Canadian version of the English language. AG
@lucsavoie9501
@lucsavoie9501 3 күн бұрын
Very interesting but shouldn't the flow on the exhaust port be performed through the valve side the way the actual exhaust gasses flow?
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 3 күн бұрын
Bill Little, can you please respond to this question.AG
@Kashed
@Kashed 28 күн бұрын
I have a set of untouched 3890462 camel heads but the casting also says CANADA under the serial number. Never seen the CANADA casting before. I am in the states, is this common in Canada? I am only saving them in case someone needs them for a restoration. Anyone know if they are worth holding onto?
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 27 күн бұрын
Thanks Kash. I have never seen that myself, however at that (1969 era) time GM had a foundry in St. Catherine's Ontario Canada. I visited it in 1969 and they did cast cylinder heads there. AG
@bigboreracing356
@bigboreracing356 28 күн бұрын
My new engine will have a 4.610" bore × 3.76" stroke with 6.535 rods.
@billlittle4285
@billlittle4285 28 күн бұрын
I love that combo, unshroud the valves, short stroke more rpm more hp, your right on.
@bigboreracing356
@bigboreracing356 28 күн бұрын
@@billlittle4285 Chamber has been ported 👍🏻
@Thumper68
@Thumper68 29 күн бұрын
I’m building a new engine for my 68 RS/SS Camaro and keeping the original on a stand becuase I don’t want to risk blowing it up and I’m building a sbc much to hot to risk on the matching numbers block that’s low mileage under 100k
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 27 күн бұрын
Good idea, thanks Thumper. AG
@yodawunn6700
@yodawunn6700 23 күн бұрын
I have a mid-'67 Camaro 327 if it would help you in your block search. Casting 3892657, date F207, stamped V0628MA. Very reasonable.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 22 күн бұрын
Thanks Yoda, i will pass it on.AG
@allanacord7268
@allanacord7268 29 күн бұрын
You driving a Ford truck? I thought you were a Chevy Guy. 🙂
@markmcmullen1371
@markmcmullen1371 29 күн бұрын
🤣
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 29 күн бұрын
Thanks Allan. I have had both chevy and Ford trucks over the years. Both served me well. AG
@billlittle4285
@billlittle4285 29 күн бұрын
There cheaper lol.
@alleyoop1234
@alleyoop1234 29 күн бұрын
It was good to see he made to Bill's shop!
@billlittle4285
@billlittle4285 29 күн бұрын
@@alleyoop1234 barely we had to push it to get it started when he e left lol
@markthegunplumber8376
@markthegunplumber8376 29 күн бұрын
there is no need to compare heads. Eric Weingartner has already done every head out there cast and alum. on a flow table and Dyno with numerous intakes and spacers and carbs and has all the graphs here on YT.
@mhenderson383
@mhenderson383 29 күн бұрын
Nothing against Eric and his videos as I watch them often but Bill knows what he is doing with a set of heads. I have set of Vortec heads with 1.94/1.50 valves that Bill ported 20 years ago and they out flow what I see on Eric's videos. That being said, im sure Bill has learned much more in the past 20 years.
@alleyoop1234
@alleyoop1234 29 күн бұрын
The more the content the better, no?
@jmflournoy386
@jmflournoy386 29 күн бұрын
318 and 340 have same stroke...302 worked better in a mid 60's bonneville build with longer rod, shorter lighter piston, roller cam, hilborn injection
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 10 күн бұрын
Thanks for the comment Jm. AG
@TheLonesometoad
@TheLonesometoad 29 күн бұрын
WTF is a ZED28??
@yarrdayarrdayarrda
@yarrdayarrdayarrda 29 күн бұрын
Z/28 - Is a model of Camaro.
@TheLonesometoad
@TheLonesometoad 29 күн бұрын
@@yarrdayarrdayarrda : I know that. I've owned two of them. My question was; what is a ZED 28?
@billlittle4285
@billlittle4285 28 күн бұрын
It's Canadian eh!!
@karlsracing8422
@karlsracing8422 29 күн бұрын
The T/A mopar was better.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 28 күн бұрын
Thanks Karl. AG
@lancezeigler2577
@lancezeigler2577 29 күн бұрын
Why are you driving a Ford?
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 27 күн бұрын
Watch for the answer in future videos. AG
@MarcusSandoval-kx2th
@MarcusSandoval-kx2th 29 күн бұрын
Sorry Mr.Gold ... I'll have to unsubscribe...youre driving a Ford truck 😢
@markmcmullen1371
@markmcmullen1371 29 күн бұрын
🤣
@____MC____
@____MC____ 29 күн бұрын
He needs that aluminum body up north.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 29 күн бұрын
Good point. The aluminum body was a factor in this one. AG
@waynechristie1405
@waynechristie1405 29 күн бұрын
Hahahaha..Lmao !!!
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