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Chiodos in the F tier hurt my old man scene kid heart.

Finn validating Attack Attack! with the S tier is the approval I never got from my father

I’m still just flabbergasted that Woe is Me had 8 members. That’s EIGHT people that listened to the final version of their songs and said, “yep, that’s good.” 🤯

The hate for Enter Shikari really hurt. But I've loved them since I was 14 & I am 30 now haha so maybe that's why. But they are objectively great musicians.

Enter Shikari straight into the S+ tier for sure. every album is different and they push the boundaries further with every album. yes in their early days their production was far from good but they have some great production these days and one of the most loyal fan bases around! Plus you brought up the demo version of the song for the audience to see and not the album version while the song wasn't finished.

A scene band tier list without Bring Me The Horizon is unthinkable

Enter Shikari in F tier is reprehensible Their first 4 albums are slappers non stop

Huge fan of chiodos. I always feel they had a different vibe back then with utilizing their piano more

Chiodos is what got me into scene culture back in 2008 😅 I respect your opinion as always, but I stan chiodos 😔✊🏻

Every time you talk about Enter Shikari, you always just show the first songs. Their material now is leagues beyond what they were back in the scene days and it really shows. Obviously I don't care that you don't like them because I fucking love them, but I wish you would stop just summing it up as they suck because of their first album. "Nothing is True, and Everything is Possible" is so damn good, as well as "Flash Flood of Colour" and "Mindsweep" Also, there better be a Part 2 of this since I did not see any Pierce the Veil on here. We all know PTV was and is still one of the biggest scene bands to ever come out.

enter shikari have improved drastically.

Everyone knows that scene music is the pinnacle of human achievement

FTSK Underdog Alma Mater is such a masterpiece. It’s on my list of un-skippable albums. Finn is a man of culture

Enter Shikari is the reason why you've got bands like Attack Attack and I See Stars. The hate for Shikari is cruel and unreasonable.

Chiodos’ Bone Palace was a great album. Their early shit was sloppy af but the heavy shit still bopped

Enter Shikari’s “mothership” video/audio was from an early EP in 2005 before their first album in 07. They rereleased that song with the remastered audio. They deserve a bit more respect since they were doing this rave/hardcore sound earlier than the other bands like attack attack and I see stars. I’d check out “Destabilise” by them. I think their overall best song!

“I heard it in a shoe store once” and “even in his mugshot he had cool hair” totally capture this era of music

I'm scared to see where you'd rank bands like Alesana and Drop Dead Gorgeous now. Oh and the list definitely needs more bree bree. No scene band tier list is complete without Brokencyde

What I enjoy most about this channel is that 1, you keep your opinions unfiltered, and 2, the comments share their opinions without throwing a fit if it is different than yours (mostly). Just good music conversations. Being said, here is my rating strictly just based on my own music taste… Woe is Me D, Sleeping With Sirens C, Attack Attack D, Chiodos A, Bless the Fall D, Millionaires F, Boys Like Girls B, Enter Shikari A, Breathe Carolina D, NeverShoutNever S, All Time Low B, The Summer Set D, Forever the Sickest Kids A, I See Stars D, Dot Dot Curve F

Enter Shikari is a top 5 band for me. They have pretty great range and crush ballads, but still have energetic up tempo tracks, ie. The Void Stares Back. Finn, I would love to see a dedicated Enter Shikari video after you've done a deep dive and (hopefully) changed your mind. Great content as always.

I saw Sleeping With Sirens in a tiny venue in Denver a month or so ago. Kellin's vocals live are actually amazing. Dude is an S tier vocalist for his style. In the world of scene bands I don't think it got bigger or more important than them. Also, really needed to include Pierce the Veil. Massively popular at one point, and still makes pretty ok stuff.

About Enter Shikari's Mothership song, the music video is from the EP version of the song. When they released the first album (Take To The Skies), they re-released the song with better quality overall. Also, Rou Reynolds, improved a lot in his clean vocals and you can notice that in the following albums. I think they have a big fanbase because of 2 main reasons: Their live shows and the fact that they add influences from a lot of subgenres in their songs. For example, the first album is a lot post-hardcore however their third album has a lot of dubstep/DnB influences. Overall, they're a great band! :D

Def need a part 2. Need devil's wears Prada, a skylit drive, underoath, dance Gavin dance, I set my friends on fire, scary kids scaring kids, Saosin, and maybe chunk no captain chunk

Hold the phone. Finn how’re you going to say I See Stars pioneered their sound when Enter Shikari has been around for way longer and are the true pioneers of that sound????? I am offended

I like Enter Shikari, I'm not a huge stan or anything, but it really does seem unfair to play an actual demo version of a song instead of the album version and then for the drip critique pick a picture of them ten years after the scene movement was over lol, they never had a chance here

Enter Shikari was doing the synth sound before attack attack and i see stars. Devin Oliver of ISS said they were sound inspired by Shikari!

That one DRUGS album was way better than anything he released with Chiodos imo

Damn man - rating Enter Shikari on a 2006 EP version of a song they recorded when they were like 16? You really need to give them an actual listen - one of the most interesting bands out there. They're always mixing genres and changing their sound. In the UK alt scene, I'd argue they're just as big as BMTH.

Finn I'm confused why you give Millionairez a pass when the Enter Shikari song you played was from like 2007 when they were p much kids too, they are pretty influential as far as the UK scene goes, highly recommend their album A Flash Flood Of Colour

I’m here to get irrationally angry about opinions on bands I listened to 10-15 years ago!

We need vol 2. You need to rank bands like Brokencyde and the medic droid

Will forever bum me out that one of my favorite music channels to watch shits on Shikari whenever they are brought up. You like what you like though, so I get it. Keep up the good work, Finn!

Never forget that Boys Like Girls were able to get a Taylor Swift feature on just their second album. That’s how big this kind of music was at the time. Edit: surprised you didn’t mention blood on the dance floor. They needed their own category below F tier

Attack attack literally had a song called what happens if I can’t check my MySpace when we get there

It's funny that emo, screamo, post-hardcore, electronicore, myspace metalcore/deathcore kids all pretty much had the same drip back then. The flat-ironed hair to one side, the slim-fit t-shirts and skinny jeans, studded belts and all the million different accessories, the cut off slim fit shorts, vans/converse, etc. What a time.. I liked more of the heavier shit but def got into some peak emo-scene bands.. Underoath, Pierce The Veil, Dance Gavin Dance, Emarosa, Isles & Glaciers, Saosin, Circa Survive, Scaring Kids Scaring Kids, etc.

You've gotta do Black Veil Brides and Falling In Reverse (early)/ Escape The Fate!! The era where Ronnie looked like Joan Jett had kids going wild

"Nobody in this band weighs over like 110lbs" I nominate this quote for funniest Finn comment of 2022 LMFAOOOO. I didn't even realize it until you made this comment but that was totally a thing wasn't it?!?? I'm pretty sure Vic Fuentes (PTV) is STILL 110lbs 🤣

Say what you will about Creg Owens but he single handedly introduced throat tattoos to the scene lol

why are there 7 people in Woe Is Me? I missed a lot of this era I guess, but I'm just confused about what 1-3 members do... sneaky trombone solos?

I love you Finn, But i can never agree with you about Enter Shikari!

Attack Attack still got it. Seen them in Iowa City, my fatass two stepped to Stick Stickly and wished I had long hair again to constantly flip.

I think it’d be cool if Finn did a deeper dive, if not a short vid on this channel, of Enter Shikari. Their older stuff is rough at times, but they’re are not as bad as he says they are. Common Dreads, Flash Flood Of Color, and Mindsweep are great albums

10:23 I prefer to call it the "Bob Barker."

Enter Shikari used to be so good live back in the day!

There needs to be a Scene Exhibit in a museum somewhere

Blessthefal “Hollow bodies” is one of the best metalcore albums of all time and the billboard rankings shows it. Mediocre band but they nailed it on that album

In defense of Enter Shikari, I personally loved them because they were the first band i heard that had that heavy edm sound that I love

I feel like you missed a lot of the really obvious ones from the early scene years and focused on a lot of the poppier stuff from the later years... Saosin, The Used, From First To Last, Hawthorne Heights, Story of the Year, Senses Fail, Silverstein, Drop Dead, Gorgeous, Alesana, Underoath, The Devil Wears Prada, Taking Back Sunday, Brand New, Circa Survive, Emery, Dance Gavin Dance, A.F.I., etc.

Still listen to Digital Renegade and Attack Attack's first album, no cap they're hood classics. And also anyone remember Destroy Rebuild Until God Shows? They were really good.

My band was A skylit drive. Adelphia is a solid 10/10 and still to this day one of my favorite albums.

The 3 bands I like on here the most musically is Breathe Carolina, Boys like girls and Enter Shikari. Unfortunately you were too tough on them especially Enter Shikari. I recommend giving them another closer look if you wished.

Glad Evansville, Indiana scene got some love! Some of the best memories of the late 2000s were going to Boney Junes music venue. There was always great local music, but getting to see WCAR, Emarosa, For Today, and others before they got bigger was amazing to see.

I actually love Chiodos Alls Wells that Ends well. It’s a great album for what it is. The tracks never followed a specific format until later on I liked guitar work too. I’m definitely a chiodos stan for AWTEW album lol

Oh boy you need to be learnt on Enter Shikari's music that came after.... showing their most rough and earliest live stuff lmao...shame. You need to check out their album A Flash Flood of Colour.

Bruh, Chiodos' Bone Palace Ballet album is masterclass

No Pierce the Veil? :(

so happy to see Forever The Sickest Kids, especially "My Worst Nightmare" love. I gave myself whiplash head-banging to that song.

After seeing this list I really want to know what Finn thinks of This Romantic Tragedy, specifically the song the worst part is waking up

Breathe Carolina is really the only remnant of my scene days that I still regularly listen to. Their first album It's Classy, Not Classic is one of my favorite albums ever, to this day. It blended atmospheric trance, pop, and screaming in a way that I still haven't heard anyone come close to (despite still desperately looking for, please let me know if you know of anything). Hello Fascination was a good sweet spot between the neon pop stuff and post hardcore and most of the album was super catchy IMO. Hell is What You Make It was decent, they started to really lean into the whole party/pop side of their music. Then Kyle left the band and I just didn't care for anything afterward, and could care less about their DJ stuff honestly. I'm still dying for something like their debut album though.

Enter shikari is objectively good

The shade you threw in the mugshot statement, was awesome!

If you want a full breakdown of the history of Woe Is Me and Issues, go check out The Cozy Representative! He made a few videos on their history!

Chiodos is A tier sorry

I graduated highschool in 2010 in a city 30 minutes south of Evansville, IN. I grew up playing in all those scene synth bands at Boney Junes and The Brothers Pizza in my hometown Owensboro, KY. The scene we had for those few years was absolutely crazy if you were a scene kid. We had hordes of neon kids overrunning the malls and those local venues. Looking back it seems so cringe but holy fk were those some amazing times. Thanks for the nostalgia Finn!!

Thanks for introducing me to Chiodos this stuff absolutely smacks love it

As an all time low fan i can say they absolutely love their fans they are just a goofy band

I remember seeing a show that Sleeping with Sirens opened for and calling them Sleeping With Men really loudly before realizing the front man was sitting right in front of me

I love how finn unabashedly bases his most favorites on if he has a personal connection to them

This was really fun to see live!

Look at all us die hard Shikari stans crawling out of the woodwork. You knew this was coming Finn, there is still time to come clean that you secretly love them too. Apologise to the 🔻

Pt 2 Features Asking Alexandria, Issues,A Day To Remember,Bullet-for-my-valentine,Attila and more...

The enter shikari slander is unforgivable

I’m sure i’m biased towards Enter Shikari because i’m English, but Take To The Skies is a bloody banger of an album. I agree the clip in this video of Mothership isn’t amazing, but a number of songs on that album like Labyrinth and Johnny Sniper are objectively good songs. I saw them a few times between 2007 and 2009 and the energy and intensity of their live performances was really something to behold!

When I was in my early thirties and listening to what was called alternative rock, I didn't realize that I was an emo or a scene kid 😆

Enter Shikari's Take to the Skies full length is a journey. Love it

That Millonaires music video looks like those videos my older cousin Alexandra and her friends used to record for their Facebook profiles back in 2010 lol

The deep V henley 💀

watched a video of enter shikari from 15 years ago but then judged them on their look from 2023 lol

How you gonna use my man JJ Demon in the first picture in this video and not even rank his scene era of music? Lol, so funny seein him like that. Good shit man!

Mothership slaps. I will not hear otherwise

Finn always bringing up the Enter Shikari album even Enter Shikari hates and then says they have "Some Sucess"

Craig Mabbit era BTF is insane, loved skateboarding to it in 2010 along with alesana

All your criticism of Enter Shikari is right, but that's always why they slap. unironically awesome live though.

Attack Attack' latest stuff is actually pretty good

I feel like a part of the reason I loved the raw out of tune screamo garbage that had some synth was the same reason I liked dubstep when it first emerged, it’s just different and new and exciting. Looking back though ..😬

Thanks to you I discovered many new bands again and I will take a closer look. Thank you Finn! And I'm up for a second volume. 👌🏻

It always does blow my mind that Christofer Drew was so young when he started. Super talented guy, and Eatmewhileimhot was dope too. I saw Never Shout Never at Warped in 2015 and it was a super fun time.

Awesome video. I love this era of music, super scene fan. Saw summer set at sad summer fest and it was awesome. So many memorable warped tours.

Loved Chiodos as a teen because that was my intro to extreme heavy music. As an adult I really appreciate the way they were able to insert grindcore elements into their music that were not just palatable, but catchy. I can’t think of a band than other than The Number Twelve who made catchy music with a grindcore toolset

Number[s] complete lack of chorus is why I think it stands the test of time and was so successful. By the time it came out, scene metalcore song structure of breakdown clean chorus repeat was so boring and over done. Number[s] was so refreshing because of that. TBH I think the ridged song structure of metalcore is still a major element that is holding back the genre. It’s so bland going from breakdown to clean chorus over and over. Change it up. Also, Vengeance by then might be one of the best scene metalcore songs released. Aside from some questionable EQ production choices, the song is amazing and stands the test of time.

I've waited for this video for so long

We NEED a part 2.

damn, it says a lot when you're still hot in your mug shot

Funny how I mocked the early era of "scene" as a hardcore elitist but nowadays I appreciate a lot of those tunes. Them kids were onto something there but just looked so ridiculous none of us bothered to listen to the music.

For a scene list i feel like you missed some big players. Pierce the veil, of mice and men, we came as romans, bmth, asking Alexandria. Also I've heard more about dot dot curve just by watching a few videos of yours than I have in my entire life.

Do a drain/hyperpop/cloudrap vid

Nah, you totally nailed it with All Time Low. I met them one time at a show here and they were big douche bags. Alex and Jack were insufferable to even shake hands with. But I have to give big credit to Rian, their drummer. He talked to my friends and I for like half an hour at a bar after their show and was super down to earth and absolutely nothing like the other two. He didn't exude that pompous "I'm a rockstar" attitude that they did

I was listening to that very same Chiodos song the night before this stream, & I had the same reaction.

Me and Finn, the only two living fans of the second I See Stars album