SECRET INVASION Review - The Real Reason Why the Marvel Show FAILED

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Marvel's Secret Invasion had so much promise. It adapted a beloved comic book, had a stellar cast, a great team--so what the hell happened to this show? in this video, we break down all of the real-world reasons that caused the show to fall apart, and explain where the Marvel Cinematic Universe goes from here.
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Secret Invasion was…not great. All throughout the show, I was rooting for it. I thought it started off strong and then went downhill so fast-even getting a 13% rotten tomatoes rating-by far the worst for Marvel. So I’m going to explain exactly what went wrong with this show-the behind-the-scenes problems that plagued it, the state of marvel going forward-and why this show was the greatest disappointment ever in the MCU.
Doug: Biggest disappointment ever? Geez that seems like an exaggeration.
Well Doug, let me take you back to 2003, to the movie X2: X-Men united. Superhero movies were mostly missed until this point-the year before we had raimi spider-man, and this movie finally got the X-Men 100% right. Jean Gray had just died sacrificing herself for the X-men, and just before the credits, we got this tease [clip].
That was teasing the dark phoenix saga-one of the greatest all time comics stories ever that comic fans never thought we’d get to see on the big screen. And when X-men 3 came out 3 years later, what we got was a low-budget, half assed interpretation of this epic story. That’s how secret invasion made me feel.
Doug: But it's not fair to compare the show to the comic book.
You’re right-so I’m going to avoid comparing this show to the events of the comic. The comic was this sprawling crossover event filled with superheroes-but the show adapts a small part of the comic, where Nick Fury goes off on hisnown to root out skrulls. So I will compare this show to those comics, where it’s appropriate.,
The secret invasion director Ali Selim, even said to Variety: “Marvel has a very devoted - even rabid - fan base who have expectations and when their expectations aren’t fulfilled, they move in the other direction' they give it a thumbs down...is it our job to fulfill their expectations?"
Look man, if you made a bad show, don't blame fans for saying it's a bad show., But, as I’ll prove throughout this video, the show is not bad because of this director. There was a confluence of events that hampered Secret INvasion, which made it almost impossible to tell a compelling story. But before we can explain what went wrong behind the scenes, we have to talk about what was actually wrong with the show.
And there was a lot wrong with this show-ain't is a failure. Now I don't use that word often-I love MCU stories, and this one has to rank near the bottom of anyone’s l'ist-but the worst MCU show is still better than most TV shows. And the secret invasion was miles ahead of the Inhumans or Helstrom.
But this show might have been doomed to fail, because the premise of the show was flawed from the start. The MCU was not in the right place to tell the story of a secret invasion.
So Back to secret INvasion-I think the context behind the show was flawed from the start. This is one of those times when I have to compare this story to the comics, and to show why maybe this adaptation wasn't right for the MCU/. in the comics, the skrulls have been villains since Fantastic Four number 2. Some skrulls are good guys, but comic readers generally accept that the skrulls are villains.
So, when a Secret INvasion crossover was announced, we understood what it meant-the skrulls were about to hatch the villainous plan they’d been building up toward since 1961. But in the MCU, the movie captain marvel went for this reversal to make the skrulls good guys. [straw drink]. Now for the movie and for Carol's character development, this was a great choice. It showed Carol that she had been fed lies about the war, made her question her identity, and humanized refugees.

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@peterbui3733 10 ай бұрын

But why 3?

@eldeadkilljohnkennedy3946 10 ай бұрын

Marvel Studios will bounce back I mean with Loki season two it got so much bugs and Deadpool three been rated R Hard-core that means there’s still time and hope Will you be getting much welcome back Frank a punisher TV show directed by breaking bad or movie writers and directors of John Wick that will be so cool and done properly.

@Video-games-from-Troy 10 ай бұрын

I feel bad for Marvel said to you, I don’t know who to blame the directors or Marvel does anybody have a idea

@anikaskitchen9628 10 ай бұрын

Can you explain this, why the hibernating humans that were with Rhodey in the skrull's compound did not died from radiation exposure?

@Hexodduz 10 ай бұрын

You missed the chance to compare the attitude of this oresident to that of the one in xmen2, plus the fact skrulls jumped from ff to avngrs, so with no infinity gems you forget to ponder what drstrange meant for our only chance among 14M... that wasn't meant fir thanos but for the outcome of phase 6, which I hope will set us bloodties and onslaught, not just secret wars.

@stew713 10 ай бұрын

Biggest reason the show failed is because this should have had a whole phase devoted to it. Instead of just a a few episodes.

$@fracturedfingers$

@fracturedfingers 10 ай бұрын

Keeping people guessing for an entire phase of films and shows about who is real and who is a skrull would have been amazing and they could have thrown in little hints.

@DarkManSonian 10 ай бұрын

The secret invasion was just fine as it was with a small story. The skulls weren't cool enough to go on for an entire phase.

$@fracturedfingers$

@fracturedfingers 10 ай бұрын

@@DarkManSonianNah, you do Secret Invasion for a whole phase, introduce the Fantastic Four and have their first film in the MCU and then end with Captain Marvel: Kree-Skrull War. Could have been great.

@wcgcapone 10 ай бұрын

@@fracturedfingers Captain Marvel 1 was already about the Kree-Skrull War.

@DarkManSonian 10 ай бұрын

@@fracturedfingers I don't see the line of that. Maybe at this point the MCU needs an entire actual reset. Wipe the slate clean and redo everything.

@joonyaboonya 10 ай бұрын

It's frustrating that channels like these come up with better story lines than the actual MCU shows.

@Horus070 10 ай бұрын

Indeed

@360.Tapestry 10 ай бұрын

finding flaws is the easiest thing to do (and often fun, too!). committing money, time, people, effort, executing, managing, and delivering is much much much harder - given the behind-the-scenes problems, they really should've just scrapped the release. they could've fixed the story and released secret invasion in 2025 and i wouldn't have blinked

@kristijan8518 10 ай бұрын

MCU has been a steaming pile of shit for years. Incorporating real life politics and incompetent writers have been the norm ever since infinity war. I used to be excited about every new movie, until I fell asleep half way through end game.

@mattkominsky9476 10 ай бұрын

Maybe if you watched less of channels like that you wouldn't have overhyped expectations of these TV shows and movies and would be able to enjoy them for what they are. These are the same channels that said The Flash movie would be the greatest DC movie, and completely change the DCU. And then it flopped.

@shawnwilcowski 10 ай бұрын

Because they’re fans, the writers are all some nepo cases or knew someone, they never even heard of iron man till the mcu, these are the people writing these shows , that haven’t seen other media or even other movies WITHIN the mcu, so pretty easy to follow along if you truly care but the writers dont they just want that check

@helendrew3640 10 ай бұрын

I was so frustrated by Maria Hill being fridged, always loved the character and was excited to see more of her secret invasion but no such luck.

@Jezee213 10 ай бұрын

Same!

@ILoveJamesFelt 10 ай бұрын

I've always enjoyed Maria Hill in the comics. In the show? It always just felt like Colbie Smulders wandered on set and put on a jump suit. Meh.

@djulianerenbourgh4969 10 ай бұрын

Got me dropped MCU at all. I have lived through Black Widow's death, and Wanda's fall, but Maria Hill was a breaking point.

@360.Tapestry 10 ай бұрын

and for what?? for what??? i'm glad to hear marvel is going back to quality over quantity. hopefully, they can correct course after the strikes

@SeaUnicorn 10 ай бұрын

Yeah they made a "replacement" for Fury out of a character we don't know and never met, when Maria would be a perfect instead... Although I do like the character of Sonya, but it came out of nowhere, and has no development.

@robertbaldwin5636 10 ай бұрын

I can describe my feeling on this show with one phrase. " Somehow....Palpatine has returned "

@generalgaming302 10 ай бұрын

Underrated comment

@randommf3549 10 ай бұрын

💀

@mokeish 10 ай бұрын

Nailed it.

@fearthefro5045 10 ай бұрын

Without a light saber too.

@iselbub 9 ай бұрын

Seems like the Chapek effect is a root cause behind the string of less than satisfying Star Wars and Marvel movies.

@Ksquared2222 10 ай бұрын

I loved the part where Giah-Fury walks into the Skrull base coughing to establish the pains of radiation, but when the humans are saved, suddenly the place is clean and no precautions are needed for their safety. Real good continuity

@herbalt 10 ай бұрын

right? like, all these important people were kept at the facility for an undisclosed amount of time, perhaps several years, and they were seemingly just fine. were they being fed iodine intravenously or something? do they all have cancer now? who knows.

@animelvr99 10 ай бұрын

Omg. I never realized that

@PhantomCyb0rg 10 ай бұрын

Thank you for saying this!! Was really annoyed by how low maintenance the evacuation felt

@randompeople465 10 ай бұрын

Very bad writing, i'm MCU fanatic i like every MCU film and series so far(even i like she hulk) but this show is beyond dissapointing.

@_TheViewer_ 10 ай бұрын

It’s bad writing on the show, that’s to Kyle Bradstreet. Anyway : coughing was to irritate Skrulls which MIGHT be around. + Nobody Said that they didn’t covered their lab and the place where they hold all their captives/later be revealed the Skrulls injected some to defend the radiation on their captives. Heck dude, it’s sci-fi. But the bad writing is there, overall just not on the point you mentioned Just think 😉

@nathangasti399 10 ай бұрын

For a grounded in reality spy thriller the ending really jumped the shark. We also had Fury sidelined and got no closure on his "too old for this" arc. He just retreated to his spaceship.

@SPACEKNOCKERZ76 10 ай бұрын

When dealing with super powered aliens it’s hard to stay in just one genre. Good or bad most of these projects will end with a big fight.

@andrewshandle 10 ай бұрын

Even if we completely ignore the Skrull fight at the end, the show did a really poor job of being a "grounded in reality spy thriller" long before Episode 6.

@andrewelphick2304 10 ай бұрын

It’s similar to Falcon and Winter Soldier where the really interesting ideas are touched upon but then abandoned for a superhero-ey ending. It wasn’t bad until the final episode which turned it all into a blank slate.

@no_player_commentary 10 ай бұрын

And then hes suddenly the man again judging from the marvels trailer & its annoying I would have to watch that to know the fallout of the skrull issue.

@benbobjam3495 10 ай бұрын

@@andrewshandlenegative. Secret Invasion handled the spy craft genre very well. But, you'd know that if you watched the classics in the spy genre before. Spy thrillers aren't supposed to spoon feed the audience every two seconds and they did a good job keeping suspense rising until the end fight reveal

@nikkikindinger2718 10 ай бұрын

"Is it our job to fulfill fan expectations?" YES. When you adapt a book to a show or a movie, the fans expect to see that story being told!

@jsharp3165 7 ай бұрын

I don't care if it follows the comics perfectly. As long as it's good. This just stunk.

@adrianzjackson7342 10 ай бұрын

As others have said, Phase 4 should have been Secret Invasion. You start with a Nick Fury Disney+ show that opens with the skrulls collecting the DNA for the Harvest in the rubble of the Battle of Earth. You show how Fury feels like he need to reestablish his control and he is mentally broken down realizing how little he matters after being turned to dust for 5 years. Thats why he so desperate to create the Harvest so they have something to defeat any villian in the universe, and Maria Hill and Talos are trying to reason with him but hes ignoring them. Talos is also trying to explain to him how alot of the Skrulls are getting frustrated not having a home, and even Maria Hill suggesting Thanos' abandoned retirement home, and Fury says no, I need them here to create the Harvest and keep them to doing his bidding, thinking there is only a few hundred Skrulls anyway so who cares. As this is happening, Gravik and Gi'ah are gathering Skrulls together to revolt and start to plan. He sends one of his goons to start setting up the Flag Smashers and some other terrorists attacks, maybe even helping Arthur Harrow finance his cult. Rhodey starts to get wise of the situation, so they kidnap him. Fury still unaware of the scale of the situation, stops Graviks goon from setting off the nuke or releasing his plan for the Harvest to the public or sending it to the Avengers, with Talos' help but thinking that the goon is working alone with a couple other rouge Skrulls; Gi'ah's mom dies in the fight. At the end of the show, Fury is still struggling to mentally deal with returning from the Blip so he goes to SABER. Before he goes Gravik gives one final plea to him to find them a home but is ignored. Then you see Gravik and Gi'ah giving a speech, as they are opening New Skrullos and recruiting Skrulls to join them to make Earth their new home. It closes with bodies being kidnapped and celebrities, super heroes and politicians looking into the camera, some of their eyes changing to reveal that they are Skrulls and some not, so you dont know if they all are or not. Then you continue with Phase 4 as originally planned with WandaVision and Loki, etc. But like at the post-credits of certain shows, you have Skrulls reporting to Gravik on the aftermath, like at the end of Falcon, Moon Knight, Ms. Marvel, Hawkeye, every crime family in those shows has a Skrull high up in the ranks that are planting all these seeds of destruction all over the world, taking DNA samples to try and build up Super Skrulls and you see their doctors working on a machine to do it. All leading up to the end of Phase 4 with the Secret Invasion movie which runs similar to the show but you can bring in more super heroes and have them be Skrulls since it is a movie. Gravik loses but in the post credit scene you see someone from the TVA pick him up at the last second and take him and then he's introduced to Kang who wants to make him and his people a proposition and Phase 5 begins....

@notabot0001 10 ай бұрын

This comment got me hyped for something that will sadly never eventuate

@CRemy-pk1fh 10 ай бұрын

Woah.... This is amazing

@UpTop.A1 10 ай бұрын

Somebody get em a pen & pad! We got billions to make!

@chinmaykulkarni7835 10 ай бұрын

I love the pacing of the story here

@adrianzjackson7342 10 ай бұрын

Thanks everybody! My mind is still racing about how every show and movie in Phase 4 would have been infinitely better with just this aspect of Skrulls invading the MCU. Like She-Hulk would have made SOOOO MUCH more sense if lets say the head of the law firm that hired her after she got fired was a Skrull and they were the ones trying to get her DNA to take back to Gravik to build a super Skrull?! And you dont know any of them are working for Gravik or are Skrulls until the end credits of the last episode when the head of the firm meets Gravik for dinner to discuss how his goons failed him but were ultimately able to retrieve the sample.

@dadaaxel3189 10 ай бұрын

Secret Invasion should’ve been Phase 4, considering it would’ve established the impact of the blip, and the end could’ve set up the multiverse. It would’ve been neat to start the phase with the guy who started the Avengers.

@Batmann29 10 ай бұрын

Yes! I’ve been saying this too!

@randycrawford1132 10 ай бұрын

It was suppose to be

@fastcanoe105 10 ай бұрын

Exactly!

@fastcanoe105 10 ай бұрын

And a transition to Annihilation Wave from Secret Invasion would be a natural fit.

@Deoxys911 10 ай бұрын

How could it have set up the multiverse? I'm having trouble picturing that.

@CoreZeroPH 10 ай бұрын

Remember, the abducted humans like (real) Rhodey were locked away inside a Skrull reactor-base. That would have meant the real bodies should have actually died long ago from strong radiation exposure (fake Fury was even "coughing hard" less than a day in).

@josephb1884 10 ай бұрын

EXACTLY!!!!!!

@josephb1884 10 ай бұрын

"I was abducted by shapeshifting aliens and all I got was stage-4 cancer and this t-shirt"

@KurumaDesigns 10 ай бұрын

Well tbf they said they were kept underground, so maybe they would be better protected

@dwayneshy9531 10 ай бұрын

⁠⁠@@KurumaDesignstrue but also wasn't the reactor room also underground

@Jezee213 10 ай бұрын

Great point. Since we only get a shot of the facility, it's not clear if it was underground beneath the base or somewhere else. It looked to be a lot cleaner and newer than the base but idk, it wasn't clear.

@TheRayvolution 10 ай бұрын

Olivia Coleman and Jackson’s performance were the absolute BEST parts of that show. I hope she has more moving forward.

@peniparker7968 10 ай бұрын

I still remember the soul crushing feeling when they announced secret invasion was going to be a D+ show. Just by saying that, I knew it was going to be a cheap-feeling, dumbed down version of what the skrull invasion was. Even with that in mind, I really didn't expect to be as bad as it was though. Also in the secret invasion comics, IMO, had Maria Hill finally doing cool stuff. They showed her being just as capable and steps ahead like Nick Fury. Throughout her MCU appearances she has been criminally underused, and she never did anything that showcased what a total BA her comic counter-part is. I was thinking "could secret invasion tv series finally be the moment they give her cool stuff to do?!"...Nope just killed off quick. Even though I knew I would be disappointed by this show, I still didn't realize how bad it was going to be. For me it wasn't the characters they used from the comics, but the ones they took out to make this a cheaper show...which felt like everybody important in the comic storyrun.

@bad-people6510 10 ай бұрын

I did. I expected it to be exactly as bad as it was, because it's about the average for the D+ MCU shows. It's about the average for all of phase 4 really.

@brianjones8432 10 ай бұрын

@@bad-people6510 More like all of Marvel since Endgame..... Better yet, more like all of Disney's output (Marvel, Lucasfilm, Pixar, Disney live action, Disney animation) for the last 5 years or so.

@error_4004 10 ай бұрын

The director has some audacity blaming the audience for a show that’s legitimately bad

@katherinegilks3880 10 ай бұрын

Well, it is our fault we don’t like it, technically, but that doesn’t mean anything. Both things are true: the show is legitimately bad, and it is our fault we don’t like it. The director could have even more audacity and blame the studio, because ultimately, it’s the studio that doesn’t respect the fans, not the director. The director did the best they could with what they had. The director is just a pawn as much as the audience is. Seriously though, fans demanding respect as though they own the franchise need to look in the mirror. Nothing will please every fan. Franchises don’t belong to the audiences. The creators can do what they like. Don’t like, don’t watch, don’t whine.

@TheSilentBattle 10 ай бұрын

@@katherinegilks3880 that’s all fine and good but when we don’t like and don’t watch it’s the studios who are whining. It’s not just MCU; every movie that fails now a days is blamed on a “toxic audience”. I don’t remember them pulling those cards in the 80s and 90s

@error_4004 10 ай бұрын

@@katherinegilks3880 I would agree if this were anything but the MCU. At this point, it’s dedicated fan interest that keeps it running. You can argue that everything is subjective and while true, there is still such thing as a bad project. If everything was, “good,” there’d be no reference point or nothing to compare anything to. And this was one of those terrible projects 💀

@Storm-zr5qw 10 ай бұрын

It isn’t really bad, yall just expect everything to be perfect

@SJ-qd6ev 10 ай бұрын

@@katherinegilks3880 A movie or series is a product we paid for, we as consumer have right to dictate what we want and our opinion on a project matters, it's not our "fault" that we don't like a product it's the makers fault for failing to meet our Standards, you don't have to please everyone but majority. So stop blaming fans for not liking something, as long as fans aren't attacking people involved it's all justified. People don't get praise for their efforts, they get for their results. M night shyamalan put efforts in Air bender live action as well, or Velma had efforts put into it as well, but it's not fans fault they hate them, it's fucking studios fault that it's bad then it's directors fault for accepting the studios unreasonable demands. Edgar Wright spent ears on an ant man movie, but even after that when the studio started making unreasonable demands, he left the project due to creative difference and i respect him for not compromising, shows integrity. Also blaming studio takes balls of steel that not all creator have not audacity.

@jayp.4381 10 ай бұрын

That's my biggest issue with the entire show... They cheapened every single hero by so easily giving all their powers to one person. Just really stupid...

@m_axyn 10 ай бұрын

yeah. and the show was super fast paced in my opinion too

@iceman7157 10 ай бұрын

You know this is comic accurate right? There was a Super Skrull in the comics that wielded all the heroes powers. So I don't see what the problem is. It's not like she is an all powerful being now. She's limited to 4 powers at a time and has to switch between them.

@slack__ 10 ай бұрын

true 100%. plus we know sometime down the line we might have to deal with a power crazy, "daenarys mode" Gi'ah or something. they've got a super skrull on the good guys' side and like... they have to address the character again at some point. the cat's out of the bag now and Gi'ah is in the mcu, with all those powers and nobody to use them with or against, so what now?! I guess I'm just a little concerned/apprehensive about how it's all going to play out - do they nerf her? avoid the topic and wait til people forget? idfk, but i really hope the events and implications of secret invasion haven't messed up things going forward. it's like that giant frozen celestial sticking out of the ocean. nothing has been mentioned since it happened in eternals and like, why?!! kevin feige needs to get everybody on the same page otherwise this kinda stuff will keep on happening.

@vickyjadaun7299 10 ай бұрын

I think this show was all about setting up an op female superhero like she hulk.

@NotReallyAya. 10 ай бұрын

Right

@thomashelmka6438 10 ай бұрын

With such a stellar cast and excellent support its amazing how "M'eh" the entire series was. You can practically see the Accountants behind every camera cutting costs.

@amazingmonkey886 10 ай бұрын

Except it cost $200 million. Where did the money go?

@BoyBlunder66 10 ай бұрын

@@amazingmonkey886 The 4 months' worth of reshoots, maybe?

@thedanieltan 10 ай бұрын

The show failed at the first step like all the other MCU stuff lately. They don't hire writers who respect the source material or the prior works in the MCU. That lack of respect means they cannot make something compelling.

@Trix897 10 ай бұрын

I’m an accountant (by education) and I’m so dismayed that this series was so bad I couldn’t get through the first episode. I’m actually cancelling my subscription to Disney+, and I’m one of the original subscribers from 2019… The stuff that the MCU and the Star Wars franchise are cranking out is horrid, and with the $60 price increase since my last renewal (going from $79.99 to $139.99 this coming November), why should I pay that much extra for crap that isn’t even entertaining anymore? Honestly, if it was the bean counters, I’m embarrassed to be in the same profession as they are, though in a more important sector that actually makes a difference (healthcare).

@calico2509 10 ай бұрын

I was really saddened by the whole Rhodie reveal. He was a great character and to find out that for several movies and projects that he was a Skrull cheapens those great moments like when he and Nebula bonded over the tech for their bodies and also sad that they took a disabled superhero got rid of that. Like, at the end of Civil War, when Tony was helping him learn to walk again, did the Skrull fake being disabled? It's like his character got wiped out.

@greywolf7577 7 ай бұрын

You can just pretend that Rhodie was only recently made a Skrull. I don't remember anything in the show itself that said when Rhodie was taken by the Skrulls.

@djodyssey99 7 ай бұрын

If you pay attention to the details, you’ll notice that Rhodey was found in his hospital gown and couldn’t walk on his own. This tells us he had to be switched after he got injured in Civil War.

@kallistoindrani5689 10 ай бұрын

I personally think the MCU has gotten so big that even the people in charge don't remember it all. Let alone the different writers who come in to write all these new shows and movies and needing to connect all those dots.

@chriscorcoran4515 10 ай бұрын

I think Bob Chapek was a big reason why the MCU has been the way it is right now. Yeah, he's gone now, but Secret Invasion was made under his regime; Iger greenlit a lot of them, but Chapek oversaw their productions. He also reportedly took creative freedom away from Feige and forced him to work on so many projects; this would explain why so many things came out last year along with the shorter runtimes/episode counts. Secret Invasion is just what's left of the Chapek era.

@luismarquez1650 10 ай бұрын

but it’s not like the lore is written in hieroglyphics idk how new writers makes things this unconnected

@DarthSaggezza 10 ай бұрын

I think they need to take the model from Star Wars in general. You have three Star Wars movies in a “phase“. So you had Star Wars episode one the Phantom Menace. In between episode one and two you could’ve had three Disney+ shows showing how Anakin training was going how Palpatine was manipulating the Senate And how count Dooku was getting all the independent systems ready for separation and then go into episode two. In between episode two and three, you could’ve had again three Disney+ shows all dealing with major battles of the clone wars, Obi-Wan Kenobi Anakin relationship changing, and Anakin falling deeper to the dark side. And you just keep going on like that. I think Marvel should adopt some of that and maybe not go so big so much, but tone it down and give us better quality writing and storytelling instead of everything all at once different people working on different things, and the one hand isn’t talking to the other hand. Kevin Feige’s job has to be incredibly difficult these days trying to piece together everything that’s going on at once and connecting all the dots. He does have a hard job. He needs to make it a little bit more simpler with his hands being in into everything, making sure continuity is perfect.

@gamerlucky 10 ай бұрын

thats why i always thought keep it as it is in comic ... rather than losing while plot lines each new director or new show/movie comes.

@randompeople465 10 ай бұрын

@@chriscorcoran4515i hope this secret invasion is last MCU show dissapointment. And i hope echo is going to be good.

@midniteoyl8913 10 ай бұрын

Show should have been Fury finding that a bunch of Skrulls have secretly infiltrated the Earth during the Blip and having him and Talos rooting them out. Then we would have found out the true story behind the Skrull - Kree war and that Talos was actually part of an advance pre-invasion scout and intelligence group. Then when Fury and whomever finally defeated Talos and his small group we get the big reveal of the pods in the basement and just how many Skrulls there are here.

@sreenivaskamath4243 10 ай бұрын

This sounds much more interesting than what we got.

@brianmarini4841 10 ай бұрын

It would have been SUPER DUPER easy to incorporate one of the key elements from the comics regarding skrull motivation... religious fanaticism. Having random skrulls say "he loves you" leading into the reveal of the zealot faction, symbols of Kly'bn all over, etc. It not only would have made for a great rational motivation, but given the show a relevant modern topic to build a theme upon. You could even have a post-credit tease of the actual Kly'bn. He's a skrull eternal! HOW DID THEY MISS THAT!?!

@MrEnKaye 10 ай бұрын

Because they're not interested in good stories, unfortunately. They're only looking for large short term monetary gain. It's rather disappointing,really.

@EnderDragonoth 10 ай бұрын

I feel like this series was set up at first for 12 or more episodes but got rail roaded into a 6 episode format that has to be followed. There was so much here that could be done instead and even with a limited budget. In the end, Secret Invasion, was just a check box that Disney felt they needed to hit.

@hugheffo 10 ай бұрын

I think you nailed it on the head about budget. It looks like in every scene there is someone asking how much money can we spend. And the answer comes back “$50”

@theyellowturnip7060 10 ай бұрын

lmao! true

@tbperry83 10 ай бұрын

Lol nailed it again

@aaronhachez3753 10 ай бұрын

Yep..all the screens and equipment was off in the hospital..and really all the little things add up.

@Akinwalesegun 10 ай бұрын

yet it cost 200M

@lilosch 10 ай бұрын

it was the most expensive marvel show with a cost of 212M, and has little to no cgi and the same goes for action scenes, how is that underfunded? The last transformers movie, which is mostly cgi, had less budget than this show.

@Fatcat1010 10 ай бұрын

Someone on Reddit pointed out that there are 2 empty, livable planets between IW and EG (titan and thanks retirements planet). The idea that Fury knew that there were livable planets and chose to keep his spies to protect earth, AND Talos knew about it. This gives so much more justification to Gravik’s motivation and also, a reason for Fury not to involve the Avengers out of shame.

@jeanbonneau10 10 ай бұрын

Wow didn't know that

@johnDemSoc 10 ай бұрын

Nope those two planets are probably not far enough to avoid Kree detection. Even the Guardians ship could reach them. The point is to find a planet distant enough to flee from the Krees.

@roxtechs 10 ай бұрын

⁠@@johnDemSochow much you wanna bet the writes don’t even know who the kree are or forgot about them

@2008topshelf 10 ай бұрын

brilliant. The worst part for marvel is that it was Carol Danvers, herself, who established the fact that the planet was empty. Its sad that marvel has gotten so big but its editing has gotten so small. Thats a fulltime job and should be why feige gets the big bucks. If he''s the keeper of the secrets, he's gotta be burdened with all this shit in his head. It would appear no one wants that job.

@adrianzjackson7342 10 ай бұрын

Titan was inhabitable after the fight with Thanos but the Retirement planet definitely would have worked.

@sfkeepay 10 ай бұрын

I had zero expectations going in, loved episode 2, really like several characters, and I really liked the last scene between Fury and his wife. There was something very moving - for me - about whatever her name was reverting to her natural form and the two of them kissing and embracing - especially after the earlier poem scenes. I also really, really like the British woman/spymaster. Great actor, great character. But sure, lots of head-scratching choices. I hated what happened to Maria Hill, hated that they killed off Talos, and wished the Fury/Gravic conversation in the last episode had actually been with Fury. But then, if they’d had that conversation at the beginning of the series, it would (or should) have undermined the entire plot.

@4dwyn 10 ай бұрын

I mean, Giah was basically the modern woman. She goes both ways but plays to only her side, takes advantage of the hard work and inventions of the men to further herself, and steers clear of other people's problems. She had a more loving connection with Patricia than she did her dad. She's no hero. She's not a morally good character. She wasn't devastated that her father died. She was in it for herself and is now the strongest character in the MCU

@chrissingleton5877 10 ай бұрын

I totally agree with you. They should have never put this show out if it wasn't ready.

@woozy5997 10 ай бұрын

Phase 5 should've focused on this secret invasion concept where the whole saga/phase we see beloved characters becoming skrulls i feel like that would've been fun

@swimboyfree 10 ай бұрын

Great idea

@pretty_flaco 10 ай бұрын

should’ve been phase 4 tbh… immediately dive into the post blip world, not the multiverse shit

@morellalizziediamond 10 ай бұрын

Its upsetting. The writers arent even fans and arent watching the other shows. Great actors horrible storylines.

@gallowayow8672 10 ай бұрын

it should have highly focused on the blip, and been designed around that.

@nailinthefashion 10 ай бұрын

Y'all come up with the most basic ideas lmao I'm thankful y'all ain't writers

@stellajohn4409 10 ай бұрын

I think the main problem is that they only had a few episodes to tell a story.

@LucasMCU 9 ай бұрын

I really wanted to find out more about Fury's character and also maybe more about what happened to SHIELD or SWORD or whats up with SABER from Wandavision but nothing about that. I was really excited for this show but in the end it was pretty lackluster

@Estoye 10 ай бұрын

I love how SC gives actual suggestions how to fix the show instead of just bitching about what's wrong (like too many other channels)

@girldaddividendinvestor 10 ай бұрын

That part!

@BossKong-lo8ri 10 ай бұрын

Facts, I only listen to his criticisms because he gives his own ideas and they usually sound good.

@dustinfocus 10 ай бұрын

I love it too. It is my returning choice. FOr me, I create "head cannon" and this channel is great and helping keep my fresh.

@pmaughn77 10 ай бұрын

They should actually just do breakdowns and stfu about everything else. But they gotta eat I guess, till the next marvel property. I trust Feigie vision way more than.some armchair quarterbacks or casuals There's no pleasing everyone. Complain it's. A super hero show but no heroes. Complain about it being a spy thriller but big cgi battle at the end. And my favorite part is the casuals and noobs acting like marvel has no plan when they just had a big retreat and planned out the next ten years. But go off

@slack__ 10 ай бұрын

@@pmaughn77 what a comment. very brain of you to speak so brainly

@TurtlelyTurtles 10 ай бұрын

I absolutely agree with the idea that fury is the MCU's batman and having him have a way to deal with every power one by one wouldve been amazing

@samuelballard3467 10 ай бұрын

Iron man is marvels batman. Fury is more like Amanda waller from the suicide squad in DC

@TheBombasticFatRat 10 ай бұрын

Eh, whilst Tony and Bruce are similiar in intelligence, both Bruce and Fury are better strategists than Tony

@mandarkastronomonov2962 10 ай бұрын

@@TheBombasticFatRatYes. I’m in total agreement. 💯

@BBBHuey 10 ай бұрын

Except this Batman didn't lose his parents to a gunman in an alley...

@amirc.6146 10 ай бұрын

The only difference is that Batman is too scared and hypocritical to kill his own villains, while Tony and Fury are willing to kill if necessary. Perhaps DC should take notes from Marvel.

@nagoranerides3150 10 ай бұрын

Hey! That scene with Rhodey in the almost empty room was shot where I work! I've sat right there watching a powerpoint about open plan offices. They must have filmed it over the weekend.

@BigTastey 10 ай бұрын

They need you Ryan as a consultant on all future MCU projects!! That idea of Fury taking down the Super Skrull because he’s always had contingency plans for any of the Hero’s in case they go rouge like Batman has is incredible!!!!

@chikin52 10 ай бұрын

I honestly want to see one of those "Why one worked and the other didnt" videos with Secret Invasion and Peacemaker, both about aliens taking the place of influential figures

@nailinthefashion 10 ай бұрын

SI = unexpected, avant garde, intimate PM = generic, simple, narrow minded Of course the fan service will win almost every time

@dancingdragon3 10 ай бұрын

Love, writing, acting, realism, balls out insanity, music, perfectly imperfect people rising above their bullshit to save the day and form an unlikely family. Also - great spectrum rep!

@JetsetDruid 10 ай бұрын

Because Secret Invasion was a boring rushed mess and Peacemaker wasn't

@JetsetDruid 10 ай бұрын

@@nailinthefashion your description of Secret Invasion sounds like a PR department trying to spin it's way out of a failure. However if we assume that was the directors genuine intent it's not hard to see why that would bomb - hardly what your average MCU viewer is looking for in their shows, like a wrestling match during an opera or a vegan lecture at a BBQ contest

@ThePartisan13 10 ай бұрын

One had great writing the other didn't.

@BSRJR 10 ай бұрын

Imagine if this show was called “Original Sin” and its just revealed the Skrull invasion to Fury. And then there was a “Secret Invasion” movie after.

@Mike__B 10 ай бұрын

My most (un)favorite part was the last episode where the big plan by Fury was to give the ultimate bad guy all the power he wanted, all the while hoping that his ruse would be allowed to stay inside the power giving machine, and then on top of that hoping his character learned how to throw a fireball before the bad guy who had identical powers

@greywolf7577 7 ай бұрын

Yes, the plan had a strong chance of failing, but if Fury made his plan too obvious then it wouldn't be fun to watch.

@LeoChaseTheMythMaster 10 ай бұрын

Sonia is Umbridge! I'm so happy that everyone else sees this too. Personally, while I am disappointed at the lack of big reveals, I think the show worked well as a Nick Fury show, introduced some great characters (Var'ah, Gai'ah and Sonia) and that it came full circle in a lot of ways. I think Gai'ah's silence kind of represented her internal conflict and that her fighting Gravik did work well. But the Drax arm was weird.

@TonyVainosky 10 ай бұрын

Marvel keeps setting up the next thing rather than give fans and audiences what we want - compelling stories with emotion, energy and consequences. That 'fight between Gaia and Gravik was laughable, literally

@shadowofthestarsdespair 10 ай бұрын

id like to see what you want and how well it translates to a screen

@davidmun1601 10 ай бұрын

Really? I liked it... a lot. It had enough fan service by showing different MCU characters. It had pretty good fighting sequences. What did you not like about it?

@rorycalhoun5431 10 ай бұрын

Ironically, Secret Invasion neither told a compelling story with emotion nor set up the next thing.

@SSGTStryker 10 ай бұрын

Yup, just further proof Loki is still the best Marvel property!

@Terrible0x0Trivium 10 ай бұрын

A Marvel TV show is essentially a preview for a setup of a setup for a setup later. The MCU is quickly advancing toward being about as sensical and thought out as the Michael Bay Transformers series.

@drforeheadkisses 10 ай бұрын

It feels like all the Disney+ shows had a shared budget and everything after Loki had to pick up scraps. Secret Invasion felt like it spent all it's budget on celebrities and CGI then used paper mache sets.

@slack__ 10 ай бұрын

naww MoonKnight, Wandavision and Hawkeye were really good too, (imho). i enjoyed some of Ms. Marvel but it was overall kinda lacking. Falcon and Winter Soldier was okay, shoulda prob been a film though tbh.. but the rest have been pretty weak, even if i did still enjoy watching them at the time

@NotReallyAya. 10 ай бұрын

Yeaa they could’ve did without Emilia Clark. Her acting was very dry, her character brought nothing and I feel like drained the budget.

@surfacematter2098 10 ай бұрын

Olivia was such a GREAT casting! I was absolutely shocked and happy. Shes great! The Queen as a spy!

@h8shunlou 10 ай бұрын

Your previz explanation at the end, was a masterclass in what people don't understand, and why the fans don't get what they want. VERY good job.

@slospop1125 10 ай бұрын

I wish Rhodey's last scene was him making a joke about how Tony was never going to let him live this down being captured by the Skrulls, that would've been heartbreaking.

@pgkrzywy 10 ай бұрын

That or confirmation of him being snatched post-endgame just before the TFATWS - but we didn’t get either 🙈

@LotkaVolterra 10 ай бұрын

I've been watching a lot of reviews to make sense of this show, but this is the first video that offered catharsis. It's the easiest thing in the world to say "bad writing" and move on, but Ryan's explanations make a lot of sense here. This show's issues are more deep-seated than its silly CGI finale.

@bad-people6510 10 ай бұрын

Many have gone in-depth as to WHY the writing is bad. And why it's been bad in ever single other Disney+ Marvel show as well. This isn't really much worse written than the others, it's probably middle of the pack in that regard, people just noticed this time for some reason. I think the luster is wearing off.

@fyngolnoldor4891 10 ай бұрын

Have you tried, idk, analyzing it yourself and coming to your own conclusions? Do you always need someone else to formulate your ideas for you? Ryan's analysis is in fact quite bad because he lets the writers off the hook and blames it all on MCU reshoots when he doesn't even know what or how much of the show was reshot exactly. This review also doesn't point out that the Fury in this show is portrayed as broken and wanting to give up which is THE EXACT OPPOSITE of the Nick Fury we know. Fury gets berated by Olivia Colman's character for losing faith upon finding out there's always a bigger, badder villain out there more powerful than Fury. This would NEVER break Fury because Fury has ALWAYS been the one fighting against the odds and that is EXACTLY why he made the Avengers, a team of superpowered beings to take on the fights Fury himself can't as a human. Then there's the standard Disney progressive bullshit where they YET AGAIN take male leads and basically replace them with younger, more competent female leads (e.g. Fury replaced by Olivia Colman's character, Talos replaced by G'iah). They do some version of this in pretty much every Disney+ show post-Wandavision. Other writing problems are that in a world where Skrulls impersonate people at will there almost never is any checking that various characters are actually human and not Skrull. Olivia Colman's character does it once by shooting her MI6 superior to reveal that he's not human (something which could have been done in the hospital scene with Ritsen, Rhodes, Fury and Olivia Colman's character). Outside of that, there are no tests performed, no devices invented to detect Skrulls, etc. Despite knowing about Skrulls, neither Fury, nor the US or UK governments (both of which know about them) inform anyone else, which allows Skrulls to impersonate people freely without worrying that they will be detected. Then there's the power level of the Skrulls that fluctuates wildy. Based on the Captain Marvel movie Skrulls aren't shown to be stronger than humans, they just are able to look copy human looks. In Secret Invasion they somehow have superhuman strength, such that Talos frequently performs feats of strength (breaking down doors, chains, etc.). Then they do this with the Super Skrulls too: Gravik has the super healing of Extremis and we see how easily he heals from being shot in the face by Fury (just like G'iah does later when shot by Gravik) but then, in the final battle, G'iah shoots a hole through Gravik who now dies, for some reason not being able to heal himself anymore despite having the powers of multiple Avengers and supervillains. Sure...why not...

@toshtao1 10 ай бұрын

"Bad writing" is such a lazy excuse considering the writer of this show has a lot of credentials.

@LotkaVolterra 10 ай бұрын

@@fyngolnoldor4891 Try not to assume the worst in people, even if they're on the internet. I critique writing as part of my trade and found the discussion around this project more interesting than my own personal grievances. Just weighing opinions against mine, including yours. It's part of the process.

@fyngolnoldor4891 10 ай бұрын

@@LotkaVolterra Fair enough, but the way you worded your comment made it seem like there aren't in-depth critiques of WHY the writing is bad in this show. There are quite a lot of them, in fact. I would also add that in my experience assuming the worst on the internet usually lands you quite close to the truth.

@natarajitachi 10 ай бұрын

Just finished binging secret invasion today. I got incredibly excited after the first episode but excitement went away quite fast. I was disappointed and confused, couldn't figure out what went wrong. Your video cleared that up. Once again, awesome video!

@swhertzberg 10 ай бұрын

I appreciate how much credit you give to your staff. You may have been doing it this whole time, but I have really noticed it more in the recent videos.

@codyraboin6996 10 ай бұрын

Really curious how falcon and the winter soldier and secret invasion would've turned out had they not been rewritten due to the pandemic and ukraine war respectively. But when you're Disney and have the money and high expectations, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect more than what they gave us.

@WiloPolis03 10 ай бұрын

Imo Falcon and the Winter Soldier was good up until the final episode, Secret Invasion was just kinda meh the whole way through. I think they were genuinely onto something with F&WS, they just rushed it all in the final episode

@codyraboin6996 10 ай бұрын

@@WiloPolis03 well I’ve heard that one of the plot points with the flag smashers was that there was a pandemic and the vaccine distribution was being stalled in poorer areas which Disney scrapped because rich countries that developed the covid vaccine were and still are preventing access internationally. The flag smashers were supposed to be the ones stealing from countries and distributing vaccines to the poor

@marcusgoff7347 10 ай бұрын

@@WiloPolis03They gotta start giving these series more than 6 episodes.

@WiloPolis03 10 ай бұрын

@@marcusgoff7347 Lmao absolutely, it's like they forget how many episodes there are halfway through

@BoyBlunder66 10 ай бұрын

@@WiloPolis03 Yeah, Falcon and the Winter Soldier had a lot going for it, but they definitely dropped the ball with the rewrites and finale.

@stephenmoney4722 10 ай бұрын

its crazy how the secret invasion event could have been an entire phase by itself! but they just gave it a 6 episode shallow retelling of aliens invading earth

@Vasharan 10 ай бұрын

My favorite part was when Nick Fury dropped into the Skrull base, pulled twin MP5s out of his trench coat, said, "It's Furyin' Time." and then Furied all over the place.

@vgneus 10 ай бұрын

I like that you're shouting out individuals on your team!

@KoreenaZumba 10 ай бұрын

This review is 100% spot on. I think one of my biggest fears now is that they'll say Rhodey has been a scrull since Civil War even though there's enough evidence to believe it had to be after Endgame. The MCU is so big, I'm afraid they'll break their own cannon just to make a story work. 😕 That would really ruin the magic for me. Fingers crossed they can improve from here and get back to better execution and storytelling.

@bad-people6510 10 ай бұрын

They did. The director said he's been a Skrull since Civil War. And then implied whatever problems that creates is a mess for other people to clean up.

@KoreenaZumba 10 ай бұрын

@@bad-people6510 the director said "he thinks" signs point to Civil War. Which means he doesn't have a diffinitive answer, it's just his thoughts on it.

@bad-people6510 10 ай бұрын

@@KoreenaZumba And since this entire concept was created for the show he was responsible for, his thoughts on it should be pretty informed. The fact they'd do this without having a definitive answer is a pretty bright red flag in itself. But hey, whatever responsibility he can pawn off on somebody else, right? It's not like in an interconnected universe events and choices are supposed to have consequences.

@krucial88 10 ай бұрын

His review is that of a straight hater nothing else . Since he had all the answers they should of hired him as a writer .

@bad-people6510 10 ай бұрын

@@krucial88 Well he couldn't have done worse. How dare critics point out problems with the sacred Disney!? Consume product!

@iamporto 10 ай бұрын

Really appreciate your review, due to the fact you talked about how the gimbals actually felt. That was my biggest concern. Appreciate you!

@dphalanx7465 10 ай бұрын

Brilliant analysis! You really exposed all the various undercurrents that shaped this situation.

@channelsofash 10 ай бұрын

They couldn't even bother to toss a few mutant names into the DNA list to make us wonder how Fury could have kept that under wraps. Felt like we were backsliding into when Agents of SHIELD had to name drop because they couldn't get movie characters.

@thebaddoctor1614 10 ай бұрын

That was such a good show and I'll never forgive Marvel for not letting it be a part of MCU!

@andrewshandle 10 ай бұрын

Bill Simmons, Exec Producer of the initial run of ESPN'd "30 for 30" documentaries, plus a bunch of other docs for HBO recently said that there's nothing worse than seeing a really good idea for a documentary done poorly, because not only is the doc bad, but it burns anyone else from touching the topic for a decade or so. The biggest problem with this show is that Marvel burned one of their best trump cards and didn't even take the hand. Now the idea is finished and can' be done in the MCU again. The Opportunity Cost is the biggest problem.

@Calibur1980 10 ай бұрын

Like the game of thrones finale. They create an ending that basically blows up the stair case. Now no one else can build on what you broke. A great concept is now toxic.

@andrewshandle 10 ай бұрын

@@Calibur1980 "They create an ending that basically blows up the stair case. Now no one else can build on what you broke." Oooo, I like this analogy. Well done ;)

@thecreator126 10 ай бұрын

11:33 I was dying when you denied him so fast lol.

@mediakira6621 9 ай бұрын

The Les Mis shot had me in stitches XD I love your editing mate XD

@collinmc7758 10 ай бұрын

They really sold on the ending. The series really should’ve been 3 episodes longer instead of the 34 minute finale we got. The rest of the series was actually great, and I believe it could’ve been on the same tier as Moonknight if they didn’t fumble the final episode so damn hard. 😕

@thestarseeker8196 10 ай бұрын

Exactly my thoughts. Look at Andor…..granted, that’s a high plateau to gaze up at, but that was 12 episodes with nary a filler to be found.

@DerekDynasty 10 ай бұрын

Moonknight had the same problem. Fell flat on its face in the finale

@thestarseeker8196 10 ай бұрын

Gotta say I have zero problems with the finales of any of the MCU shows except Ms. Marvel (and I love Iman and the character so it’s not that at all) and Secret Invasion. The rest of them felt like they said what needed to be said for that season, somehow. Even She-Hulk, which ranged from great to absolute suck, had me rolling during a lot of that finale. I’m definitely not seeing Moon Knight especially having a bad one…

@cheddaknottz8486 10 ай бұрын

That ain't saying much.😂😂

@KFXG 10 ай бұрын

Moon Knight fell so damn hard on the final episode. The rest of that series was awesome, but I still haven't gone back and watched that series again because of that final episode, and I've been a huge Moon Knight fan for almost 20 years now. The finale of both Moon Knight and Secret Invasion suffered from the same pacing problem and very lackluster and underwhelming finale after some great buildup and character development.

@keyshawnwatkins4362 10 ай бұрын

For the most part, I enjoyed the show. I never expected it to follow the comics when we learned it would be a show and not a movie. At first, I thought Captain Marvel 2 (or The Marvels) was gonna adapt the Secret Invasion storyline since Carol has history with them. But, clearly, Marvel has other plans for these stories. And while I enjoyed the first 5 episodes, the season finale didn’t really stick the landing. Super Skrull fight is cool and all, but it felt like a rush to get to the finish line just so Marvel can move on to other projects. There wasn’t even a post-credits scene; it just ended. That’s it. It’s like Marvel just wanted to get the show over with so they can focus on projects that they actually cared about.

@chardaskie 10 ай бұрын

Aside from Loki and Wandavision they have been very lazy with the TV shows. If this is the effort they always planned idk why they bothered

@Xenoray1 10 ай бұрын

@@chardaskiemoinknight was amazing aswell

@chardaskie 10 ай бұрын

@@Xenoray1 the first few episodes were peak but went downhill quick

@wyattangle 10 ай бұрын

I enjoyed the show as well! Could it have been better? Obviously. Was the last episode pretty bad? Yes. And is Ryan correct about how cheap it all looked? Absolutely. But I'm not always looking for movies like Infinity war. I took the parts I liked and ran with them. I loved Olivia Colman's character who was hilarious and almost every episode. I enjoyed Samuel l Jackson's character and his acting. And I really liked the banter between two black men, even if it was retconned immediately since Rhodes was a Skrull. Like Ryan said, ultimately it's still better than a lot of other TV output even if it was the worst of the MCU streaming products.

@0fficialselena__90 10 ай бұрын

@@Xenoray1 Moonknight Is fire like I've watched that show so many times.

@loonyboyhatch 10 ай бұрын

“No f*** off” needs to be your new catchphrase. I need merch. Been watching this channel for about two years. That was the first time I heard something and instantly had to pause the video to press like and comment.

@peterling1422 10 ай бұрын

why are you so good at describing what I felt but didn't know why? I'm not sure if I want you in my head more or less...... but I enjoy it...... that got weird but awesome content

@elsiemon 10 ай бұрын

I wonder if cobie smulders departure has to do with her recent health scares, I hope she's OK, I love her performances

@ZaestraXD 10 ай бұрын

I will never be able to not think of SheHulk actively making fun of the season finale plot concept. They called out their own bullshit in advance.

@Xyvorax 10 ай бұрын

The give away for me that Rhodes was a Skrull is the fact that he no longer had his leg supports after his spinal injury that left him as a paraplegic after the events of Civil War.

@reubenpiomartinez7306 10 ай бұрын

Slight correction, but Kyle Bradstreet wasn't the creator of Mr. Robot, but it was Sam Esmail. Bradstreet wrote nine episodes and was supervising and executive producer. Otherwise, good video!

@davidwindell 10 ай бұрын

Best way to do SI would be a 45-60 min episode centered on Fury, released after each full length movie (which would each also have hints to SI). This way it could be well planned and integrated with the films while still being a Fury based arc. You could do far better CGI with the extra production time. If there would be 6 films in phase 5 you could do 7 eps of SI interspersed and released on D+. Imagine introducing Fury’s wife in a scene in the next Captain America, followed up a couple weeks later with a flashback ep telling their story. Or have an ep about finding them a home, then place Captain Marvel in deep space looking for a new planet for the Skrulls at the beginning of the Marvels. It could’ve been so much better!

@Aalok1991 10 ай бұрын

Yes! Exactly 💯

@micahchaney1904 10 ай бұрын

You are so right about this whole series being more about "telling" than "showing". I think also...Gravik should've won!

@bad-people6510 10 ай бұрын

You think the human race should have been wiped out because one guy (and a woman we never mention in this hypocritically) broke a promise? No, I'm fine with mega-Hitler losing, I just think the starting premise should have been aborted before it got to that.

@greywolf7577 7 ай бұрын

If Gravik won, then that would end the MCU. How can there be other Marvel movies if humans are made extinct?

@hawkeyestegosaurus5680 9 ай бұрын

I was definitely more than a little confused and felt like I missed plot somewhere. This could have been awesome but we got a lackluster extremely short thing that shouldn't have been until it was ready

@SankofaNYC 9 ай бұрын

This is a really great breakdown guys… thank you

@Its0Smitty 10 ай бұрын

The worst part for me was fury he just seemed so powerless and weak, the other characters real shone even the moody Lt. I kept waiting for Fury to shake off the rust but he never did, he needed help to do everything and the romance thread felt cheap and thrown in. Sad..it had a lot of potential i would have rather seen a series about the parinoid agent that got choked out in the first ep. episode

@greywolf7577 7 ай бұрын

Fury is getting older. I think it improved the show by making it so Fury couldn't effortlessly beat everyone.

@jeffjohnson1966 10 ай бұрын

I think you and everybody else is coming down too hard on Ritson for wanting a gun. He knew about the Skrulls, he knew they could shapeshift, he knew Fury was coming for him. Nicholas J Fury is one of the very few people in the MCU that would be able to get to the President of the United States despite having the absolute BEST security in the history of the world. Like Tony Stark said, "He's a spy, he's The Spy." If I was Ritson and I knew someone was coming directly for me that had a 100% chance to get me, just DAYS after an almost successful assassination attempt, I would ask for a gun as well. You can't get any more vulnerable than being on a gurney with an IV in your arm in the middle of a hallway.

@delmarfrazier2727 10 ай бұрын

Exactly and why would he have family next to him in a foreign country, and the paranoia my family could be a Skrull and try to finish the job!

@gr8tbigtreehugger 10 ай бұрын

He was still in medical shock: in a serious car accident, then a firefight, then an alien reveal of his own staff. No one can be rational after that without some serious support. The indomitable President Strongman archetype is nonsense - they are human beings too.

@rylymbona 10 ай бұрын

I really loved the first 3 episodes of this show. Episode 4 started to worry me and unfortunately, those worries were confirmed.

@NMDmovies 10 ай бұрын

Been waiting for this

@xdrew9999 10 ай бұрын

11:36 had me laughing my ass off I love those little comedic moments in the videos . Always gives me such a good laugh , never stop doing little bits like that even the “ your mom” jokes 😂

@annafield3136 10 ай бұрын

Yeah I loved that too. It's honestly these little things that make me choose this channel over others.

10 ай бұрын

I really lmaoed. 😂

@KaijuAKD 10 ай бұрын

You have an artist that makes something. That something becomes popular. The patron makes money out of that something, so he wants more something to sell. The patron has no idea of the craft, so he pushes the artist to an unrealistic schedule. The artist either accepts to make several uninspired, generic somethings or refuses and the patron brings a contractor to make facsimiles of the original something. This applies to movies, shows, videogames, books, almost anything.

@conalking8739 10 ай бұрын

Love how you brought up 'fridging' for Maria Hill while Fury spent the whole series playing second fiddle to the female characters and it became the all powerful Gaia show. No name for that eh?

@DwaipayanDeepAdhya 10 ай бұрын

excellent video ryan!

@No1ANTAGON1ST 10 ай бұрын

Secret Invasion was supposed to incorperate the Superheroes, but they went out of their way to leave the Avengers out. We didnt even get War Machine

@calebu2 10 ай бұрын

As bad as the Rhodey reveal was, the fact that everyone was still alive at the end cheapened the effect. If they could afford to kill of Maria Hill, Imagine how much more impactful it would have been if you saw in a flashback that they callously took on Rhodey's persona while pulling him off life support in the hospital. Ultimately there was nothing at stake in any of the replacements other than really bad retconning of post civil war interactions.

@GrueTurtle 10 ай бұрын

Also the skrull wearing blackface as he talks tp fury about the black experience in america

@gingerbreadmen5401 7 ай бұрын

I Even wonder how they all survive wasn’t the place radioactive? Do they all have cancer now? Like what? I have so many questions 😀

@GrueTurtle 7 ай бұрын

@@gingerbreadmen5401 the writers didn't think about it and they'd rather you didn't either

@tobi807 10 ай бұрын

Kingsley Ben-Adir is such an amazing actor, sad that the show turned out like this

@XaloGunner 10 ай бұрын

A lot of good points here (the final fight make me smack my forehead so much it hurt after haha)...but if nothing else, this video was great for the fertile ground it supplied for the Mermaid Man "EVIL!" clip. Kudos!

@tjunior6128 10 ай бұрын

I’ve been waiting on this review ever since the show ended. Well done ScreenCrush! Nailed every point there was to make on this show. I’m starting to wonder if Feige was replaced with a skrull. Because the MCU has been awful for the past few years.

@ScreenCrush 10 ай бұрын

What did you think of Secret Invasion?

@BeastGohannisreal 10 ай бұрын

Mid, definitely better than the fraud She-Hulk!

@garyfrombrooklyn 10 ай бұрын

It could’ve been better, episode 6 was a 36 minute stinger for the season, setting up what’s to come. I didn’t hate it, but expected a Tinker Tailor style show. 6.5/10

@brockvernon2962 10 ай бұрын

I think the the coolest thing about this show was that warmachine hasn't been war machine for a minute otherwise I didn't like it much

@jonseals 10 ай бұрын

We punted about half-way through the season.

@SonicsGamingHub_YT 10 ай бұрын

wouldve been better as a movie

@soul.alone.8745 10 ай бұрын

I anticipated a scene revealing Fury developed the Life Model Decoy system while on SABRE. He could have pulled from the room-full-of-Skrulls playbook, and fought a group battle with his duplicates. Old Fury, in publication, revealed he had his clones deployed on Earth while he was in orbit.

@paulmruk7151 10 ай бұрын

First time listener to your channel and I found your analysis of Secret invasion spot on. In fact many things I didn't even consider were brilliant ideas. The split screen shot with the differences between the shots on the gurney coming in was eye opening. The show could had so much more weight if they developed the character more esp Emilia Clarks character

@leed261 10 ай бұрын

Grant ward’s Agents of Shield’s reveal was amazing , the acting and storyline was amazing. I agree with all your points, I’m so over Marvel projects at this stage. I never even finished this series. Trying to tie everything into the bigger story line is making the individual projects suffer

@nailinthefashion 10 ай бұрын

How did we even get Agents of Shield haha. I miss long form stories so much, it included EVERYTHING I love about Marvel. Powers, both magic and scientific or basic human stuff like hand to hand combat, felt unique yet connected, funny yet really depressing and cool, like, with modern resources and budgets it could be their best project again 😭

@sonicsillies 10 ай бұрын

i rewatched some of agents of shield the other day, and i completely agree. even though this time around i knew ward was hydra, it's still a shock and the actors do a TREMENDOUS job. i cant believe we went from that to...this. secret invasion couldve been so much more

@sonicsillies 10 ай бұрын

@@nailinthefashionright?! and it just all tied in so nicely. they had winter soldier going on at the time of some of the episodes, and it didnt seem convoluted at ALL. now we have a giant hand sticking out of the earth from the eternals, the whole world doesnt know about spiderman, skrulls are taking over, loki is messing with time, kang is coming...like, what?!

@nailinthefashion 10 ай бұрын

@@sonicsillies at first I was in a let them cook phase, but now that they have and WandaVision is still my favourite project ever across all media I'm like hmmmm maybe they took the chaos after Endgame idea too far. Multiverse of Madness is a close second but it should be first for someone like me, yknow? We still haven't even gotten pay off for Shang Chi's rings, mutants, Mephisto, F4, Doom, Wanda reincarnated, and those are just the things I care about off the top of my head. Bruce's son, Moon Knight's mythology, there's so many loose ends idk where to look tbh. It's just so cluttered and messy unless you're a specific fan like me and only care about magic systems and even then I'm like "are you sure you wanna do that when the easier choice is right there... I like secret invasion but what was the cost"

@leed261 10 ай бұрын

@@nailinthefashion I was thinking of the Grant Ward reveal compared to the Rhodey one . I agree with ya too

@iLLiCiT_XL 10 ай бұрын

There's a lot wrong with this show, but I'm of the school of thought that if the director really feels how he said: he shouldn't come back. We don't want him. The fact is, if you step into this space, we the fans expect you to respect the fanbase, the characters, the story, and the artists that bring this work into the world. And if you're not down for that, go adopt someone else's beloved IP and leave this to people that care.

@JetsetDruid 10 ай бұрын

Just saw that part about the director blaming fans and I agree with you 100%. My question is if he isn't making this for the fans who the feck is he making it for?

@SJ-qd6ev 10 ай бұрын

Or if it he is really good why not make his own story,

@zacharyjackson1829 10 ай бұрын

@@JetsetDruid himself

@Goodgu3963 10 ай бұрын

@@JetsetDruid Benjamin Franklin. Multiple of them, that he can stuff into his wallet. Typical case of someone wanting to do something purely for the money. Hollywood, and pretty much all media has been infested by people who see money as an end, rather than a means to an end.

@JetsetDruid 10 ай бұрын

@@SJ-qd6ev because nobody would watch I guess?

@djtripmix 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for the info

@curtcoeurdelion 10 ай бұрын

The continuity with which Disney puts out one abysmal show after the other is only outmatched by their ability of destroying every single male legacy character they own.

@quinnod 10 ай бұрын

“No fuck off” was the greatest line out of nowhere 😂😂😂

@MusicLover-my6fo 10 ай бұрын

Despite Secret Invasion's flaws, I'll still gladly rewatch the series before I ever watch Eternals again.

@marshsundeen 10 ай бұрын

I enjoyed the Eternals. It could have worked well as a series.

@fourlightsorchestra 10 ай бұрын

211 million?! Holy cow. Those must’ve been some expensive cars they rode around in.

@Team974 10 ай бұрын

dude, fury figuring out how to defeat gravik by batmaning him would have been EPPPPPIC

@shahzebhasan9995 10 ай бұрын

Honestly, comparing Secret Invasion's production timetable to the original release date of The Marvels (July 2022) makes me seriously think that the show was meant to be set after that movie, and then had to be heavily rewritten after the delays.

@shadowofthestarsdespair 10 ай бұрын

everyone just sleeps i swear they complained about every thing for what it was ( a plot device) the show was good and watchable maybe would have been better a disney pluse only movie then a series but still it gives much need insight for the next 3 movies' coming out

@michaelharig6506 10 ай бұрын

Brilliant analysis!! 🥂

@jeroldstockdale 10 ай бұрын

I was surfing Facebook when the Rhodey mirror sequence happened and I was in the dark about what was gonna happen. lol

@ovidiumiinea5462 10 ай бұрын

6 episodes is not enough for that kind of story... again greed has robbed us of a good show

@artemisiatheta7549 10 ай бұрын

Zygons...Secret Invasion did in six rather tedious episodes what Doctor Who, somehow, managed to do in three episodes and still manage to have an enormous amount of catharsis at the end when the Doctor gives a speech which just flat out is still one of the best speeches not only in Doctor Who but in most of media. Were those episodes perfect, no, but they delivered what Secret Invasion didn't, and that just shows that right now the MCU is kind of lost and not sure where it's going.

@Tao_Tology 10 ай бұрын

Iirc, the 'Osgood Box' episode and speech was broadcast at/near Rememberance Sunday so the message of that speech hits home even harder.

@artemisiatheta7549 10 ай бұрын

Yes, and that's another part of this. Secret Invasion needed to have a massive message to it, and it doesn't. It has set pieces and is setting up what's next rather than telling a story. The Zygon Invasion/Zygon Inversion two parter hits home hard because it has a message.