I don't disagree with you, but alot of us have been caught-cold, given that it was implicit that we all knew this stuff a short time ago!

If by hero you mean bigot who deleted her inciteful and abusive tweets (all saved on github), sure.

She’s fabulous and so calm and sensible ❤

@@lisaboyd677 is it calm to attack a marginalised class seeking civil rights - a class that statistically, proportionally, and absolutely has more to fear from cis woman who are more violent than all trans people or trans women alone.

So is Helen Joyce et al.😊

As a lesbian - if you met - fell in love - and had an intimate relationship with someone who presented in all ways as female - then found they were born male - would that make you straight?

That is such a good question

When you get down to the actual intimate level, you know well whether that person is a man or a woman!

No, I would regard that as non consensual and sexual assault. Any man who pretends he is a lesbian and does this should be charged with rape.

@@Jenny-nz8fb that is the most absurd answer... it was your choice

I'm glad we can agree she's not a proper philosopher, just a quitter.

@@jesipohl6717 what did she quit?

@@jesipohl6717 She was harassed, threatened, and psychologically tortured daily until her work was impossible to perform. If she hadn't stepped down from her class, I'm sure you would be one of the people still torturing her now.

It's called a conversation.

The big thing the nazis did was to get socialists and communists to ask "the Jewish question" too. Before that the nazis campaigned on repealing disabilities rights and cementing pathological and criminal classifications of all sorts of queer people, including people who fit today's definition of trans. So the nazis also asked "the queer question" first, usually focusing around sex as determining role, just like Stock. Denial of this is considered NS-Denialism in Germany and viewed as a potential "incitement to group hatred and violence".

​@@jesipohl6717your idiocy is overwhelming. Please keep some for Christmas.

@@jesipohl6717 Taking a big risk there, calling up specific details about Nazis-- the same people who know what you're talking about will also be reminded of how similar the Trans Doctrines are to Nazi objectives.

@@jesipohl6717the Nazis used the Big Lie and infiltrated the Lie in every institution in the country. The Nazis arrested those who spoke out against them accusing them of “hate crime”. The Nazis did medical experiments on the vulnerable including mutilation. The Nazis used cancel culture, burning books instead of reading them. Sound familiar?

​@@jesipohl6717Yes, it's the people OPPOSING the chemical sterilzation of healthy people, SOLELY to conform to traditional gender stereotypes, who are totally the "Nazis"... It's the people who AREN'T censoring and silencing dissent, and who AREN'T refusing open, respectful, public debate, who are totally the "Nazis"... It's the people who AREN'T demanding that lesbians MUST be open to sex with males, and that gay men MUST be open to sex with biological females, who are totally the "Nazis"... It's the people who AREN'T plastering their flag all over every classroom, every street, every doctors office, every public building, with the support of the biggest corporations on earth, the police, and the corporate media, who are totally the "Nazis".... It's the people who AREN'T mobbing and physically attacking women, and OPENLY embracing slogans that demand violence against women, if they defend the rights of women and girls ("Punch TERFS!!", "Stab a TERF in the face!!!", "I punch TERFs!!!"), in a blatant attempt to silence females, who are totally the "Nazis"... It's the people who AREN'T demanding control of other people's speech, trying to compel the use of "approved" political terminology, in a shameless attempt to silence dissent (and violate the right to free speech, and the right to freedom FROM religion), who are totally the "Nazis"... Do you think that, in 1938, the average nazi REALIZED they were "in the wrong side of history"? ...OR, do you think that MAYBE, being surrounded by all those flags, and constant, 24/7 propaganda, and every media outlet and celebrity in Germany ALL swearing that NASDAP were the brave, valiant crusaders for unquestionable moral virtue, had the supporters of the Nazis SINCERELY, UTTERLY CONVINCED that they were "doing the right thing", and "on the right side of history"?

How do you know she's a real woman?

@@jesipohl6717 because we have eyes and ears, and she gave birth to 2 children

Maybe because babies looks pretty much the same much of the time and to tell the sex so that one doesn’t risk causing offence we have ‘baby blue’ and ‘baby pink’ clothing to demonstrate the baby or young child’s sex.

​@@rensha8635that makes sense, a shortcut always to having to answer the question " boy or girl " ...but it's descriptive. The trans insanity is making it prescriptive.

Read your TERF propaganda right here folks. This is what true hysteria looks like, a person claiming to fight sex-stereotypes using trans-stereotypes. Good luck with that. Tell me how the abortion rights go...choosing to ideologically partner with conservatives to restrict people's access to their own body has consequences. There's a long history of documentation of the connectedness of these two areas of civil rights regarding rights to our own bodies.

@@rensha8635 which are arbitrary culturally assigned colors and changeable as at an earlier time, blue represented female (virgin Mary, water etc) and red or pink represented boys (fire, authority etc). These outside representations in clothing are fashion and subject to change as fashion changes, while the material differences between males and females are immutable and do not change.

Agreed -- we've gone backwards. We pretend that this is a progressive thing, but cutting up people's bodies so they line up better with medieval stereotypes is as regressive as it gets.

It's sad to see a lesbian woman beg at straight men's tables like Stock does.

@@jesipohl6717 It's sad that in place of mature counterarguments to her points all you have to offer is an insult.

Not polemical at all... you mustn't read much if you think it was in any way balanced. Stuck herself admits it's a polemic. Thanks Stan.

The name's perfect!

As a lesbian I second this 😘😘

As a straight man, I can only agree with you both. She's so engaging on every level.

Arguably, Kathleen wants straight men's approval more than anything else. You've made her dreams come true!

@@jesipohl6717 I'm a lesbian, so your claim sounds ridiculous x)

@@jesipohl6717 argue it then. How could you possibly know such a thing?

Good thing we focused on people's right to their own body, I hope that hasn't influenced abortion law in any way. Oh wait what's this, conservatives worldwide have been using transphobia as a gateway drug to reach much younger women and delirious boomers, wag the dog, and pass judicial reform about bodies and abortion. Gee that wasn't predictable (2nd time in history it's happened now).

Frans de waal and princella the queen maker

That a biologist us not making these arguments, pretty much anywhere should probably reveal something about Stock's expertise and the status of her claims.

​@@jesipohl6717the biologists are laughing and don't concern themselves with the insanity of trans. John Money was a charlatan and he was the one who made the argument for trans...please get your head out of your a$$.

@@jesipohl6717 many evoloutionary and research biologists back Kathleen Stocks position. See Colin Wright, Brett Weinstein, Heather Heying, Luana Maroj, etc

Philosophers do,... ..., In an ideal world p'haps. Philosophers are the most forward attack vehicle, they open and guide thought, ideas, currently are hand in hand with quantum physicists, evolutionary biologists,.. If they're given unrestrained access to politics, social policy,... ..., Disaster, the killers, Mao, Stalin, ..Pol Pot (check order of killed most) Currently the ESG~The Great Reset, is th entire world's number one enemy. Philosophers are free to think, the Reset, not stopped, MEANS the end of philosophy.

While shitting on trans people on the way.

The argue unprovable things and at worst attempt to assert their morality on the rest of us.

@@jesipohl6717 That's religi---s preachers actually. I think the commentee has confused the two, or hasn't any idea of what they're talking about.

@@John-uh8kl The separation of philosophy and religion is primarily a Western phenomenon. In Advaita Vedanta everything depends on evidence.

I agree. I found the interviewer’s far too frequent interjections somewhat tiresome.

The controversy is more like what “rights” transgender people have to spaces of their identified gender. Should male trans women be allowed in women’s prisons and rape shelters and sports teams?

Transwoman is one word. They are not a category of Woman. I use Trans Identified Male (TIM ) as it places them back into the correct category.

The thing that drives me crazy about these discussions is that the pseudoscience that gets mislabeled as "biology" rarely gets called out. When you say "sex is binary" you are using the word "sex" to refer to gender assigned according to subjectively chosen physical criteria, not to the technical biological concepts of "male" (an organism that produces just small gametes) and "female" (an organism that produces just large gametes). "Socially assigned gender" would be a more accurate term.

Sociologist, you're not really up to speed, unless yours is a calculated manouvre. No one minds, so, LGBT, transvestites, transexuals. No one, including these, wants, Q+, X, Y, Z, rammed down their throats ( unfortunate expression, however given the 'tr---s' movement and the ESG-Reset, intend to control every word that comes out of us, perhaps the correct expression).

@@beverly9 The thing that makes this a dispute based on linguistics is that your statement "Men are claiming they are women" could be expressed by others as "women who @beverly9 considers to be 'men' are claiming they are women". Once you take into account the different ways people use the words "men" and "women" those two claims turn out to be identical.

@@MichelleLouiseDavis I know! It's wrong to demand everyone sees a man in a dress as a woman when it's not remotely true.

Forced teaming. Some trans women are what I would call heterosexual i.e. biological men who are attracted to biological women. LGB have nothing in common with them.

@@pablodelnorte9746 the last 5 studies I’ve read will show around 6 out of 24 ‘trans women’ participating are gay men & 18 straight. That’s why the T is so problematic: their identifying as women doesn’t override the historical pattern of male violence & they will not gain acceptance by colonizing our demographic. In crime, the sex patternation to offending is so obvious that it’s the only fact we have to go by until bigger studies on it are done, but the trans lobby would try to conceal the outcomes of those studies.

Great insight. Womanhood was already made an identity by patriarchy. But it was necessary to discuss it in order to understand how it is related to women. It was only phase 1, but it was distorted from there...

You are not forced to live in the society. You can go to a forest and live there on your own. You will understand what you are objecting to when you loose a comfy living and face true survival problem. And then we will back to the talk about "a womanhood identity forced on you by patriarchal society". Wait for it.

If you call people clearly what they are it would be a man . No such thing as " trans" .LGB DROP THE T

That rapist is a man! And LGB is a sexuality concerning who you are attracted to. Trans isn’t even definable and is a delusion. They are very different and when you argue that lesbians can have a peen I would say that is lesbophobia.

By way of UK law, and stock knows this, cis women can only be charged as accessories to rape, these are the women to which the sex offenders statistic most refers. There is a seperate statistic about trans women and other trans people, who are less likely to be offenders of any sort than cis women. Stocks reports of this have been garbled if not dishonest.

@@jesipohl6717 yeah thats false. Stats for the types of crimes committed by males compared to females are strikingly different, with the majority of sex crimes being committed by males and amongst those a higher percentage of those are committed by trans identifying males.

@@jesipohl6717 Transwomen are far more likely to be violent offenders than women (ie their behaviour follows male pattern of violent crime) and prison stats show that transwomen prisoners are more likely to be sex offenders than females! This is according to MOJ statistics.

What did I just read? Spell it out please. No symbols.

She was clearly describing the legal definition of rape, not her own opinion on what rape is. According to Stock, the legal definition of rape requires that one have a penis (you may or may not agree with this, but this is, apparently, the law). Women, therefore, cannot be rapists, though they can be accessories to rape. However, since male rapists can now self-identify as women, their rapes are being classified as having been committed by a woman, not a man. This contradicts the law, which says that only men can rape because only men have penises. Since transmen are classified in statistics as women, this has led to an increase in the number of rapes perpetrated by women. This is misleading, according to Stock, because these are actually male rapists, not women. Again, she was describing the law, not her own opinion on whether women can be rapists, and she was doing so to illustrate what she takes to be a highly damaging and misleading consequence of classifying male rapists as women.

@@johnsmith5139great and accurrate summation of her statements. Just wanted to ask for clarity as you used both "transwomen" and "transmen" to refer to males who identify as women. Perhaps referring to them as "trans identifying males" would make your statement more clear?

Why?

Find me a human biologist who agrees with you.

What is occurring in schools and the cuture due to this activisim, is making schools and society LESS safe for everyone.

@@Gingerblaze schools are not being made unsafe by university activitists that never visited the site, children are not threatening their teachers about transviews - because teachers have had the good sense to draw a line between professionalism and private views... Cancel culture, is a label used to demonise legal non violent protesting...and it is right a university is free to cancel events seeing how distressed students became or the damage to their reputations an event causes.

Funny how you don’t have any good studies that support the claims of fact from the transgender lobby, which fund them. Studies are sparse, our scientific understanding limited, & results are sometimes inconsistent. Some studies have reported no obvious biological incongruities, such as sexual chromosome aberrations, in transgender individuals. Any reasonable expert will say more studies on sexual hormone related genes need to be replicated with a larger population of transgender people & multiple testing corrections should be implemented to obtain solid results. More accurate study designs. In relation to the etiology of gender dysphoria, which is not known, other potential mental problems & environmental factors need to be considered. The rightful place of “Trans-sexual” is as a diagnosis of exclusion. Only after you’ve been treated/tested for all other possibilities, then can you be given a diagnosis of exclusion. Given; not self diagnosed. Trans activists propose if gender is on a spectrum, then homosexuality doesn't really exist, b/c it can only exist in a binary - so, sexuality is redundant. Of course rational lesbians believe trans identity is homophobic nonsense when they’re told having a gender preference is transphobic & they should comply to intact men or men with dissected penises who claim to be women b/c of a subjective feeling in their head that can change. Trans activists who have 'educated' society that gender roles & stereotypes are what really define man & woman, are now shaming feminists who assert that “Trans lesbians” aren't lesbians; they're opposite-sex-attracted males.

Evidence please, and clarify what transgender and transsexualism mean.

Look, no one cares how you want to behave or dress. But you can't change sex. And if you think your genitals and the rest of your body is a worthless irrelevance, that's up to you as well. Presumably, you won't be surprised when others treat you accordingly? I can assure you that the majority of other people regard such views as deranged.

This is flirting with the idea that there are male and female brains, an idea that feminists have historically found offensive, but you’ll generally find you have to stretch the evidence quite far to draw the conclusion that trans women are female brains in male bodies whatever a gendered brain even means, the most you’ll be able to do is say trans people exhibit neurological characteristics that are similar to those of the other sex. Under the assumption that trans women are women we shouldn’t even care if their brains match those of the opposite sex, since in the world of gender theory sex and gender are all but independent. But even if we say that they do, why do we have to draw a conclusion that they are in fact members of the opposite sex. If you’re going with a biological argument now and getting out of the social constructionist argument, then biologically they’re still members of their own sex that happen to share more characteristics with those of the opposite sex than their peers. That’s a long shot away from getting them into the changing rooms of the opposite sex since those female spaces weren’t meant to protect against male brains and male thinking, it was mostly their penises and superior physical strength, which they still have.

Current research indicates that psychological preferences, thinking and behaviour can result in detectable effects in the brain due to neuroplasticity. It's quite possible you have cause and effect the wrong way round. But there is no way that a disembodied brain can be examined to determine whether it was from a male or female except for chromosomes. As for any other features of the former individual, forget it! The practical result of this is that your propositions are unsupportable.

Not really. The fact of the impossibility of human beings changing sex exists permanently irrespective of anything she says. That's why no one is 'trans'. It's not because she isn't.

How is she a cross dresser? She is dressed in the same manner many women dress.

@@Gingerblaze on channel 4 she admitted herself that she dresses as a man and sometimes it's even mistaken for a man. Hence, just another crossdresser.