It's easy to understand why Marner wasn't training all summer. He was still looking for that lost Range Rover.

Teams aren’t willing to pay Marner $11M and Marner isn’t willing to take a salary cut. I think the Leafs have got themselves in a tough situation here

Gentlemen, I'm 70 years old, you are voicing the opinion I've had of the Leafs from the time the big three arrived. They do NOT want it bad enough to pay the price, and I'm not even a Leaf fan. I believe Austin did not for a long time as well, but I think he understands now. I'm from a family with 5 boys who played with the Granatos, Bobby Hulls Kids, Chelios, against Gretsky on traveling teams, I lived in Minnesota 16 years and saw all the kids of that era play thru high school, The Brotens, Ramsey, Herb Brooks Minn teams, all thru the 80 Olympics etc, etc, etc. IT comes down to a simple thing, you CANNOT pay guys the huge money till they have proven they will produce when it counts! It was also a foolish, fairytale signing of Tavares when that occured. Crippling mistakes that will haunt. Screw how nice they are, or how much fun they are having. Ya gotta pay the price to win, failing that, you have no chance.

Hockey is a business, not a boys club. They're there to win 16 playoff games. This team can't do that. Being a 'great guy' or 'best pals' in the locker room is secondary to what you do on the ice to win. I know a guy with a Grey Cup ring on his finger. That's what forges your fraternity. Not losing.

"The Real Estate in his head is dirt cheap". LMFAO!

Exactly 4 seconds after the Pasternak goal he was done . Shame on the Leafs for giving him franchise money . Shame on Marner for not giving it 100 % .Who would want a guy like this ?

I disagree with Adam. At 11 million plus, I don't think teams will be 'Lining up at the door' to sign Mitch. They simply can't afford it. There will be a couple. But that is still a big number. (well, maybe not in Toronto)

The ideal agent is Lewis Gross (Nylander's agent), who NEVER negotiated in public, unlike Darren Ferris. Both negotiations for Nylander conducted quietly, and Nylander didn't burn any bridges with the fan base. Steve is right to note the corrosive impact that Ferris's negotiating stance did in terms of affecting his standing with the fan base.

Marner to me is a the type of player my coach used to call a “busy player”. A busy player is someone who looks like they’re doing a lot to at least contribute on a positive note but they really are really not doing much to help the team at all. I’ve labeled him as a busy player for years, especially in the playoffs. Even looking at the points he had 2/3 were pretty much irrelevant points and besides that he looked irrelevant out there

If Mitch Marner and John Tavares were worth their contract the Leafs would be in round 2

Vegas only had 2 players over 9 million when they won the Cup. The team was much better balanced and that is why they won the Cup. 18 good players is better than 4 great players.

3:46 Damn, kudos for just having that knowledge on hand Steve lol, sure enough I looked it up and yeah, he got the third goal of the game to make it 2-1 Leafs in the 2nd period in game 6 against the Bruins in 2018.

Marner to Seattle just for the Marner/Mariners memes ⚾

Fun fact. Domi's agent is no longer Ferris. He switched to Judd Moldaver, who is Matthews' agent. It may be an added layer on why Domi was never a Leaf until now. Dubas refused to work with Ferris again.

I think Mitch desperately wants to stay a Leaf, but I would put money on him playing much better in the playoffs on a team with less of a spotlight and a different leadership group around him where he can be guided by experienced veterans without the obligation of being a voice himself.

Had to check this out. Marner did score in game 6 of the 2018 quarter series. Don't know if he scored after game 4 of any other series but that is impressive.

If Marner stays in Toronto that means that management really doesn’t care about winning. The loser culture starts with Marner and his play. He was invisible in playoffs and didn’t even backcheck on the series ending goal by Pasta. Dubas gave him way too much $$$ and let’s just trade Marner, Matthews and Reilly to Dubas in Pens

Hey the Leafs signed him. I blame management.

A good buddy of mine who's always a fantastic fighter. Anytime we got into a scrap he would always pull off something super spectacular. Whether it be jumping off a picnic table or throwing someone on top of a car and jumping on the car.... He says whenever you do something spectacular like that people notice. People tend to talk about the fight and how spectacular it was. I feel Mitch Marner does the same. He does these spectacular moves which warrants the name magic Marner or magic Mitch...... They're such spectacular situations that we talk about it you think is this great player. When you get Max Domi to take over his spot and do it just as well with more grit. That definitely gives you a better perspective on what type of player he actually is.

San Jose trades the house for Jumbo Joe a good player, Boston rebuilds. Boston has a cup, Jumbo Joe retired with no Stanley Cups. I think history really speaks for itself here. If JT is willing to resign for 3-6 million on a team friendly deal he should stay to help push your guys' depth. I think behind Willy, Matthews and developing a defensive corps and goaltender is Toronto's best bet at this moment in time.

The epitomy of a Leafs player is the constant media and fans proping them up as stars. They're so blown up, paid way too much, and losing again in the playoffs. The team needs to be blown up, this team has not worked.

You guys are great.

How does Tavares catch no heat for this team’s failures?

11:00 I love this version of Dangle. His tone is eerily similar to Kypreos, the mannerisms too.

Get Nick Robertson to gain 20lbs of muscle this summer... no training camps send him up to Kittimatt as a chokerman....He'll come back a beast!!!!

Game 1 vs Boston 2019 2 goals that penalty shot I’ll remember forever lol

I think there should be a metric stat each year for points in the reg season against teams that make the playoffs THAT year. You could go one step further and make a point system by the playoff seeds being worth more. Point being, it tracks points against the higher level teams not just padding your stats against the bottom feeders of the league. If there is one I’ve never seen it

I can't wait to hear everyone crying if Mitch Marner does leave for another team. Here's something to think about. Over the past 8 seasons, Marner has lead the team in Assists EVERY season. Marner has lead in points 4/8 seasons. Marner is 10 pts overall short of Matthews overall in the past 8 seasons. Nylander who's played 9 seasons for the leafs has 111 pts less than Marner's 8 seasons. The Leafs would be crazy to let Marner move to another team.

When you think of an entitled spoiled rich kid what do think his name would be? Mitchell…lol. Right?

Ya know, I’m getting fed up. All my social media is exploding with nothing but Marner headlines. It’s frankly getting pathetic. When did Toronto become a hard hat town? I loved Clark, Tie Domi and Roberts but there was always room for Kelly and Keon. Marner is NOT a plugger and to expect him to barrel through opponents is like asking a Cheetah to be a rhino ffs. If the salary structure is out of balance, that’s on management. People are complaining on every word he says. He wants an extension to continue to play in TO. What else do you expect him to say? I, for one would want to get away as far as possible if I were him.

Get draft pics and prospects! And cap space! Long term win!!!

What’s matthews done ?

I am in search of a Toronto Make Ya Laughs shirts again, I hade one in the 90s , are they still around?

2:40 you said "He will be asking for a raise" Where does that come from? What if they offer less for more term then the ball is in his court.

Plan B!!!!...send the whole team to Kittimat for the summer....for logging!!!!everybody comes back a beast!!!! BOOOMM!!! have a great summer....cant wait for next year!!!!

I’ll eat my shoe on camera if Marner actually gets traded this summer.

always strange how the commentary is that Mitch never performs in the playoffs but he outpoints the golden boy and we just roll with it all across Toronto media. Also great commentary for the playmaker doesn't score. Riveting analysis. For some actual numbers. Matthews scores .65 gpg in the regular season, .41 gpg in the playoffs. Marner .33 gpg in the regular season, .19 gpg in the playoffs. But we're not going to talk about how the best Matthews has ever done in a 7 game series is score 4 goals. Tampa Bay lost in 5 and Stamkos put up 5

Well. Looks like peak Leafs fan delusion mist activated!!! On SDPN! Because for Mitch's cap, you could instead have signed, say, according to recent Leaf's attempts, a Klingberg and a Bertuzzi, and a $2M player of your choice. Give or take. Or some similarly useless combination that can be manufactured from real signings that made no difference. When fans get involved and upset about the business and salary side of things, their credibility gets assigned a zero.

For 10 mil. You better be great 90 percent of the time.not just every now and then.

for what marner does he's worth 7.5-8m at most. he doesn't lay big daddy hits, he'snot a defensive savage, he doesn't score big goals. he's a set up man which we saw domi last of of season do the same and have great chemistry with matthews and he gets paid 28% of what marner gets paid.

Literally watched some old LFRs and Steve says that he has been their best player all playoffs lol

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I bet privately the Core 4 thinks management is nuts. Wonder why depth scoring and toughness has been a problem? Management let Kadri, Hymann and Bunting walk. You'll never get a better deal from trades than you will developing your prospects.

"The real estate in his head is dirt cheap." That's gold.

Has always been a perimeter player! You guys just realized this after 8 years ? I have said this from day one. The accidental contact with Jake Muzzin his reaction ! His tantrum when he felt being screwed over by Lou because of no bonus clauses ! His lack of going MIA AWOL in the playoffs , not willing to play anything close to being physical. Forcing a coach to walk back from a factual comment! Throwing another coach under the bus!! For Marner to stay he is not taking less than Mathews or Nylander. Nylander has changed from playing outside to now driving to the net!!! Once again the 3 of you have switched and flipped your stories! Two players do not have a game that does not translate in playoff! Marner Mathews!!! With one more year left on Marners and Travares contracts the possibility of one or both of saying yes to a trade is 35 65 . Unless Marner has had enough of what he calls being a scape goat negative media he will stay . But a Big But if it fits Marners he just may fool everyone and gladly leave with no quams! Next Morgan Reilly . Morgan Rielly time as the longest tenure Maple Leaf is over! Needs a change of place! Marner has been and is all.about Mitch!! Word to the wise , if he does move on Mitch Marner might want to keep his head on a swivel, have eyes in the back of his helmet, and do not go into any corner or get trapped against the boards! You thought throw your glove off was something? When you leave Toronto all bets will be off permanently

I feel I will have a hard time selling my Marner jersey now.

why the F wasnt Knies used on top PP couldnt even have gave it a shot ???? what was there to loose??? he was arguably thier best player this series and a menace in front and along the boards

marner scores a hat rick in the first week of next season and the fans are going crazy. Remember this in October.

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't the Marner contract make the Hyman resigning impossible. How many Leafs fans would trade Marner for Hyman straight up? Sad we could have had both had Marner not been overpaid.

Guys .... 4 officials missed the call on the Knies breakaway.....the ref that was right in front of the play called a penalty shot pointing at center ice!!!

I think the question is if or when they trade Mitch, do they want a top notch defenseman or a top notch goalie? Does that make sense? I'm a Devils fan but live in Ontario so I am also invested in everything Leafs. If the Devils were interested, I would stop the talks as soon as Mercer was mentioned. Is Marner the more talented player of the two? Probably. In the playoffs with the way the game changes, could the same statement be true? I don't think so. I'm not saying that's a possible trade partner but just trying to give some context. If they trade Marner, will they get one or multiple valuable assets in return? Of course they will. No one seems to be mentioning what assets they truly desire that they think will get the team over the hump.

Maple Leafs fans gonna be in for a big surprise when they ditch Marner amd still get smacked around in the playoffs. Marner is a point per game + offensive star. And 10 million is a good amount for him. The problem is there are too many players like that on the Leafs. Matthews is just as soft. As is Nylander.

16:20 Real Estate in Seattle is cheaper than Toronto. Really? Renting is way more expensive in Seattle. Buying is comparable but not a huge difference.

Some contracts work out well for both parties. Some don't.

Lol'd @ "Utah is a corner?" so ya got at least 1, Steve

it doesnt matter if the fans dont want to see marner out there again. He'll be out there, bc this is the plan theyve made and you cant get out of it now. too bad.

Na imagine Mitch as a bruin💀

Captain invisible in the corner To Big Softie back to Wimpy Kid at the line... giveaway...

I'm no expert, but I'd like to have him with the habs. We have to much young defensmen, we need more talent up front, and I bet Martin St-Louis could do wonders with him. Don't know if we have the cap space for him though. And I doubt the leafs would just trade Marner to a divisional rival

he has most playoff points still of the top 4, best +-, i would like to hear comparisons to other top 4 players.. i think he gots only blamed and others get free pass

Get rid of all the floaters and get Easton and the other kid that's out west on the team for skill and speed....

Wanna talk playoffs. 2023/24 Playoffs -> Matthews: 1goal, 3 assists = 4pts... Marner: 1goal, 2 assists = 3pts... Nylander: 3 goals, 0 assists = 3pts. 2022/23 Playoffs -> Marner: 3goals, 11 assists = 14pts... Rielly: 4 goals, 8 assists = 12pts... Matthews: 5 goals, 6 assists = 11pts... Nylander: 4 goals, 6 assists = 10pts. 2021/22 Playoffs -> Matthews: 4 goals, 5 assists = 9pts... Marner: 2 goals, 6 assists = 8pts... Nylander: 3 goals, 4 assists = 7pts.

Would you trade Marner to Utah for Crouse and Durzi? Or, would you trade him to Vegas for Theodore + ?

They keep saying it's just business...well why would you expect any player to take a discount...omg.

i tell you mitch needs 25 lbs of muscles and a big set of balls

Marner will get a lot of interest. Marner plays on the PP, SH and his regular shift. We saw Marner play against Tampa and blocking like 3 or more shots one after the other. Marner's value is certainly there. I can see him do well on another team. We have seen players leave the Leafs and do well elsewhere. Marner is a Professional hockey player. He will waive his NMC and leave on good terms as most players do when they get traded so they don't lose their reputation. I'm surprised Marner's Agent ain't advising him.

In my dreams, the foundation for all leaf fans, I’d love to see a deal worked out with Marner for Byfield in LA. Just a dream I know. lol

If the Core 4 returns along with Sheldon Keefe I wonder how sdpn will hype the regular season Leafs. You know the team as structured will put up more than 100 points - Matthews will be over 60 goals, Marner will have over 100 points, Nylander with 40 goals and Tavares a solid 90 points.

When did dubas say he wanted to trade marner?

How about that albatross Tavares contract???

Darren Farris has a long list of overpaid clients who haven't delivered.

It's funny how everyone thinks they know how Mitch feels. Marner may just say f-you and l will walk at the end of next season. WOW ADUM thinks it's happening enough said.

Dubas was the guy that gave him the money in the first place, I have no idea why people want to paint him as the smart one. His fingers are all over they way the team is put together. As for Mitch and JT, I think you need to be careful, players around the league watch how a team treats its players. I am not saying one or the other can not be moved, but sitting them in the box when they are healthy with a working contract to force them to move might not fly. With a year left, you might just have to give them the year to prove they are worth money, and then decide after. This is just what happens in Canadian teams, we wonder why we cant have talent, while we chase it out of town on every team.

Holy blank how do we rag on marner for producing in regular season and not playoffs.. how about Mathew’s????

The "core four". Worthless if you care to do anything but play regular season hockey. No heart, no drive, no courage, no nuthin', as they say!!

Next year go with Wall/Hildebeast all the way and make sure you play Reevo every game so he's playoff ready for next year

Marner is not clutch. Gets most of his apples when it does not matter.

Marner can't be moved unless he wants it just stop already.

What about Mathews? All this complaining about Marner and he has a better points per game career playoffs?

Mitch is a fun player and I’ll always have a soft spot for him as a hometown and homegrown kid, but something needs to change and he’s the most obvious asset in the core four to be moved. Auston and Willy are extended and more consistent playoff performers and Johnny will run his contract down before making a decision next summer. This team needs to find a dam goalie and a dam top pair dman - we have all been saying this for half a decade if not longer.

Steve Dangle starting to turn into Sid Seixeiro. It’s just an observation people, don’t shoot the messenger! I like Steve so I hope he heeds this warning. Never go full Sid Seixeiro…..

14:40 "No interest in the DMs". Corroborating Mirtles story about Marner hiring a private security company to harass media who criticize him

Players are paid for their regular season performance. During the regular season Marner excels. You’re wrong to say Marner is stealing money.

The meltdown in Toronto media is more entertaining than the team itself.

Marner is not looked at as a goal scorer. He's a playmaker. Playmakers hold onto the puck more.

If it wasn't certain after consecutive playoff performances, yesterday's "gods" comment sealed the deal.

honestly i couldn't care less about the leafs thinking they're gonna ship out all these guys on nmc's.. i just want to know wtf happened to matthews and woll?

Charlie McAvoy is not an NHL defenseman...he's from the MMA

They’re playing for the cup. You play to win the cup. They need to put this in their dressing room cause I think they don’t even realize what they’re playing for other than money for regular season stats

I agree the top 4 did not produce but look at the rest of the roster there were lots of zeros. Robertson 6 games no points -2, Holmberg 7 games no points -3, Jarnkrok 7 games no points -2, Kampf 7 games 1 goal -2. Just saying

Everybody saying if sammy played like Bob or Vasileski....he can't get over it

You need players like mitch to get you there...and it's management that needs to get this boy help...

Every player says they love playing for their team. Do they all mean it?

If he hasn't it will be another losing year , you can't have a leader on a team having no commitment in the playoffs .. I don't mean commitment when the floater gets open and gets a play , I mean commitment to follow a goddamn guy into the zone and make sure he doesn't get the puck 4 a wide open shot .. I mean commitment not to cut the corner and go into the corner and fight for the puck instead of cutting the corner and hope the puck comes open further up the boards avoiding any contact .. I mean commitment to stand and fight with a teammate instead of arguing with the referee while your teammate fights two players 5 ft away .. Ryan O'Reilly last year in the Tampa Bay series if you don't know what I'm talking about .. I've never been more disgusted with a hockey player since Claude Lemieux and to have him on my team absolutely kills me .. I don't even watch hockey anymore although I do follow the statistics and standings .. let me correct that I watch Edmonton once in a while now ..

Marner's agent is a genius $$, you really think he's gone this summer no way. His agent goes right to the end.

Sure hope so...

"it gets said too much"

ya ya ya speculation

I’m a diehard Bruins fan and just the culture difference between Boston and Toronto is wild. The $ you are paying 4 players who have done nothing is astounding to me. I understand you guys paying Matthews but he and Tavares must make 5-6 million more than Brad Marchand and I’d take Marchand as my Captain 10 outta 10 times. I never see any grit or intensity from them. Matthews is elite but come playoff time he doesn’t have that dog in him like a Marchand. 4 frickin guys eating up a ton of your cap. When Marchand needed a new contract he refused to accept more money than what Patrice Bergeron was making. That’s the kind of guys you want leading your team and building that culture and if you don’t like it you can leave. That’s how you build better teams. I feel as though Bruins fans would hunt Sweeney down if he was paying just 4 players that kind of money, it just defies logic of building a strong team in my opinion. I’m sorry, those guys are damn good players but they are baby 💩 soft. That John Tavares contract….man what an embarrassment. You will NEVER get to where you want to go with him as your Captain. Keep your head up Toronto fans, all is not lost, you guys still have Ryan Reaves for 2 more years. Lets Go Bruins!!!!

Wow, and you found out just now?