I enjoyed the explanation on using dynamic brakes. Following a few of the rules on using dynamic brakes helps slow down an ops session and makes it more realistic.
@SeaboardCentralАй бұрын
Thanks Tom! Next up is tractive effort versus horsepower and then distributed power operations.
@ChristopherPalmieriАй бұрын
Love the "Dyno" sounds on these models. Thanks for sharing!
@SeaboardCentralАй бұрын
Thanks Chris!
@TheGulfwindАй бұрын
Really informative. Good info on dynamic braking! Did not realize using it outside of controlling a train on the downgrade.
@SeaboardCentralАй бұрын
Thanks! Glad you found it interesting
@ConductorGoldyАй бұрын
Interesting to hear that NS's dyno rules are just slightly different than BNSF, but they are pretty much the same idea in terms of dyno rated axles per locomotive.
@SeaboardCentralАй бұрын
They have changed and updated after all the AC units started showing up. One interesting thing about how NS calculates powered axles. The BNSF ES44C4 units are considered a six axle locomotive where a BNSF SD70ACe is considered a 9 axle locomotive.
@RailroadScannerMan157 күн бұрын
I’m an engineer trainee about to mark up. I like dynamics, but only on DP the couple times I’ve ran one and also- conventionally, but as long as it’s some AC motors. Some of our DC engines don’t hold back much tonnage as well as an AC motor. Some of them widebodies are STOUT. I’ll use one or the other, stretched or bunched. Sometimes I’ll just grab 10 pounds in notch 4 and drag em on down… but overall, dynamics are the easiest to use and are the first go-to, minus throttle manipulation.
@SeaboardCentral7 күн бұрын
Congratulations on becoming an engineer. It sure beats pounding rocks all day. If I could give one piece of advice from the 20+ years I’ve been running is that to always be mindful of what your slack is doing and trying to control it to keep it at a minimum, avoiding hard run-outs or run-ins. And also to always, Operate, Evaluate and then communicate in that order. If you are focused on communication with a dispatcher and not concentrating on operating the train you can get into trouble real quick. Good luck!
@RailroadScannerMan157 күн бұрын
@@SeaboardCentralThanks for that- that’s absolutely understood. I found out about slack on a DP train. When that DP came over the hill it was stuck in notch 8… me being new I got out of it some to lessen the impact. Oh man. It was rough. I’ve since found that planning ahead has absolutely been a priority. Appreciate that tidbit of advice!
@RailroadScannerMan156 күн бұрын
Also, had a NS Dash 9 as my leader once. A 9700 series with another DC motor. Oh my, when #2 traction motor went out - I didn’t realize it would kill the dynos on the lead. Almost got put into suppression coming down a steep hill. Fun times. Lots of things I’ve learned training.
@davestrains6816Ай бұрын
Nice info, thanks for sharing. Dave
@SeaboardCentralАй бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@RFMCabooseNP1713Ай бұрын
Very interesting.
@SeaboardCentralАй бұрын
Thanks!
@ThisWorks4MeАй бұрын
Great video. Thanks for the info.
@SeaboardCentralАй бұрын
Thanks!
@rickyhammond36Ай бұрын
thanks Tim,,great vid.
@SeaboardCentralАй бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@MrOmega52Ай бұрын
Love this information. Keep it coming.
@SeaboardCentralАй бұрын
Thanks!
@markhayes6407Ай бұрын
Learned a lot. Thanks for sharing. The tractive effort video sounds good, gave you a sub and high five
@SeaboardCentralАй бұрын
Thanks! I appreciate it. Stay tuned. It is going to be packed with info.
@trainglen22Ай бұрын
Great episode! Very informative.
@SeaboardCentralАй бұрын
Thanks!
@AMPProductionsVideoАй бұрын
Nice Video
@SeaboardCentralАй бұрын
Thanks!
@bbrailroad6284Ай бұрын
Awesome to know this information. Keep it coming.
@SeaboardCentralАй бұрын
Thanks!
@garynugent4400Ай бұрын
Awesome!!! Great video sir! - Gary
@SeaboardCentralАй бұрын
Thanks!
@user-pq4mf1nk2dАй бұрын
Great informative video
@SeaboardCentralАй бұрын
Thanks!
@TouchoftheBrushModelWeatheringАй бұрын
Us railroaders love dynamic brakes. The sucky part is the jerk between motors going in and out of them lol
@SeaboardCentralАй бұрын
😂
@Killbuck.Southern.RailroadАй бұрын
Hey Tim I work the Pittsburgh "keystone" division out of conway I've noticed the rules on dynamic amps have been overlooked for the mountain when coming into Altoona our grade is pretty nasty we usually use minimum service and 6-8 dynamic for about 10/12 miles with a running release at the bottom. Ile be at the Macon rpm this coming year with my freelance stuff again would love to see some seaboard central stuff there (other than what I brought last year) -Strattyn
@SeaboardCentralАй бұрын
We have a 16 mile grade on our district that often requires air to keep the speed under control. Still NS-1 rules apply system wide. Be sure to check out the next video on TE vs HP. You’ll probably like it.
@beeble2003Ай бұрын
"Heavy-duty high-capacity dynamic brake" AKA, we're running out of terms to mean "better".
@SeaboardCentralАй бұрын
This is true
@JasonTrew2018Ай бұрын
Good video, Tim, I know some railroads (The Rock and the TA&G) didn't even order dynamic brakes
@SeaboardCentralАй бұрын
Thanks! Yes, back then it was an option when ordering a new unit. Plus, most were just the standard dynamic brakes which aren’t really effective at speeds below 18 mph.
@rogerthomas9017Ай бұрын
Next step in this enlightening discussion is how to simulate DB in a decoder-equipped loco(s). Most modern sound decoders have one or more function keys to activate, increase. decrease and stop dynamics. Believe you have standardized on Loks. So what and when are your key inputs on a DCC throttle as you enter the downward helix and then come out into the yard? How do you use dynamics on the Proto making the same trip down? Any needed modifications to the above if locos in a consist have different levels of dynamic capability? So great to get insights from a real, live RR engineer.
@SeaboardCentralАй бұрын
Thanks! The downside of dynamics in the model is that it is not a variable sound, just on/off and when they are on, they are maxed out. I have my dynamic brakes assigned to F7. For units that aren’t equipped with dynamics I have Flange Squeal assigned to F7. On the ProtoThrottle I have F7 assigned to the top right button next to the LED screen. To use dynamics on the throttle I will set the speed, activate drive hold, then press the F7. The unit will automatically adjust the sound for dynamics. I only use the sound, I don’t use it to actually slow the train down. As far as different units in the same consist, no modifications needed. Just keep in mind if the consist has multiple units, rules dictate the number that can be in dynamic. For that reason, on the model I don’t operate consists that exceed the total amount I can use.
@rogerthomas9017Ай бұрын
@@SeaboardCentral Thanks.
@1johnmcwilliamsАй бұрын
Great video Tim, are dynamic brakes used on dpu units? Cheers John.
@SeaboardCentralАй бұрын
Thanks! Depends on how they are set up but most of the time no. They are just used in power
@cnwtrainАй бұрын
My question has nothing to do with dynamics brakes. Was noticing on your locos you have speed recorders on several axles. Is that prototype practice, never noticed it on the real locos? Good informative video, appreciate it.
@SeaboardCentralАй бұрын
Yes, speed recorders are generally associated with the number two axle (I believe). Although some newer units use a radar device located right behind the front pilot aimed at the ground.
@gp3829Ай бұрын
Thanks for the video and info, Tim. My largest Locos are SD40-2s with no D/Bs (ex. MoPac) Would these be about the max. size/HP Loco where no DB is acceptable, please? Looking forward to the next weeks edition, thank you.
@SeaboardCentralАй бұрын
Thanks! Prior to the 1990s, dynamic brakes were an option when new units were purchased. A number of railroads whose lines were relatively flat compared to others opted not to spend the extra money to have their units equipped with them. Any train can be operated without dynamics, you just have to use air brakes. Dynamic brakes offer a way to reduce fuel consumption and increase train velocity which is why it became standard on all the third and fourth generation units.
@25mfdАй бұрын
question tim... does NS have any locos that are equipped with non-aligning couplers?... i was just reading an article about preventing jack knifing when a consist has a unit with non-aligning couplers
@SeaboardCentralАй бұрын
The end cab switchers were the only ones I knew of and I think they have all been retired.
@barrylewis-cv1chАй бұрын
I apologize that this is not related to dynamic brakes. At the 1:26and 1:49 mark there is a 2 bay hopper car right after the loco's. I recently bought some Walters cars that are gray in color but need to be the color of you hopper. What was the original color? Did you paint the car? Just trying to determine how to achieve the same coloration(look). Thanks for any tips?
@SeaboardCentralАй бұрын
That is an Athearn ACF 2-bay former GTW car that was patched and weathered. I also have an Athearn ACF 2-bay ACFX car that was given a similar treatment. Both cars were light gray. I added weather including rust effects to get the color. I used both oils and pan pastels sealed with Dullcoat.
@jakescharfstein6352Ай бұрын
Great video Tim, now my question is if there is a restriction on the amount of units on the head end that can use dynamic brakes, what about a dpu in the middle or end, and is there a different factor into determining that?
@SeaboardCentralАй бұрын
Thanks! It depends on how the DP unit is set up. I will have a video on DP operations at the end of the month. But to answer your question, for the most part, DP units only provide traction, whereas a manned pusher unit can assist with dynamic braking.
@jakescharfstein6352Ай бұрын
@@SeaboardCentral thanks for answering!
@Killbuck.Southern.RailroadАй бұрын
From what we use on the keystone division we use our head end and dp locomotives for tractive and dynamic effort. You can only have a difference of 1 between dp and head end 3 leaders and 2 dp units or so on.
@jakescharfstein6352Ай бұрын
@@Killbuck.Southern.Railroad thanks for the info
@ikonseesmrno7300Ай бұрын
Can you MU engines together, in a train, that have different dynamic systems?
@TheSantaFeGuyАй бұрын
Yes, but if you have an engine with normal dynos and one with extended range your normal engine will stop working before the extended does. Obviously you loose braking power as this happens so you'd still have to apply air.
@SeaboardCentralАй бұрын
Yes, different units with different dynamics will work together but you still have to make sure not to exceed the limit of dynamics online at one time. For example, a consist of an ES44AC/SD70/SD40-2 would have a total of 23 axles which would work for a unit train but not a regular merchandise freight. So even though all three could be in power pulling, one of the trailing units would have the dynamic brake cut out.
@25mfdАй бұрын
@@TheSantaFeGuy *Obviously you loose braking power as this happens so you'd still have to apply air* there was a crew back in the mid 90s that was pulling their coal train down a power plant lead, using the dynos to hold the train back... at some point, according to the investigation transcripts, the lead locomotive "lost its dynamic braking"... their train picked up speed and derailed in a curve... obviously the company went after the crew for "failure to properly control their train"... the crew ended up beatin' the rap on appeal... but i do wonder if their situation was the same as you described
@JG-wr1slАй бұрын
Why the axle difference between GM and unit trains?
@SeaboardCentralАй бұрын
Solid bulk commodity trains are safer in that you don’t have empty cars scattered in between loaded cars. Empty cars near the front of a train can be pushed off the tracks by the force of the following loaded cars when too much dynamic brake force is present on the front of the train.
@canadianlocomotivelogisticsАй бұрын
Tim, would you be will to teach my as a student to learn how a locomotive operates? Im writing software to run locomotives on mu layout.
@SeaboardCentralАй бұрын
Keep watching. I’ll provide more videos on operations.