Being a new player. The biggest problem is NOTHING IS DOCUMENTED!!!! In game. There is zero info on almost anything. Like dockyard space. Dockyard quests. Clans. Nothing.

Imo one of the larger problems is getting double uptiered _all the f*cking time_ in T6 and especially T5. I swear at least half my T5 games are uptiered to T7, which is really annoying, because it's very difficult to do much in most T5 ships in a T7 game. When you're getting spotted by a CV or sub while trying to avoid the potshots T7 battleships take at you from 4 kilometers outside your maximum gun range you aren't usually having a lot of fun.

The main issue Is that the learning curve is now so steep for new players, subs, cvs, smoke, radar etc. Even before you get the basics under your belt. The game needs to acknowledge this and ease the curve for new folks.

One of the main issue is the fact that the game unlock ranked battle (130 battle/ access level 16) ....way before the training room (200 battles/access level 17). This mean that a new player had to play 200 battles just to be able to learn how to aim in the training room.

What irritates me the most looking at new players is the labeling and shamming they get at higher tiers. As soon as they die (because of not knowing there ship well enough, ect.) Immediately, seasoned players start the shame and "noob" calling on chat like there a diseased leper. Can't stand that! We have ALL been there! "JUST STOP" the shame chat! PLEASE! As for new players, their are a lot of vids to show how to play your ship. Please take the time to view them and practice (COOP, Training, ect.). Get with (hopefully) a good clan that has the time and patients to help you become a better player. This is a TEAM based game. You need to be part of that team (this goes for the experienced players as well). It is true that most of us "old ones" have been playing the game since it came out (myself included), and never had to deal with the frustrations that new players now face. Most of the "old ones" are gone now. I don't see many left in upper tiers anymore (or they switched their game names and restarted from scratch to get better win and PR rates). My point is that new players need time to get a good understanding of the game and not be put down for trying. If your new, ask for advice in chat if your not sure about a position or play style. Div up with seasoned players and try to learn and be part of a team. I find that wins a lot of unwinnable games. Just my 2cents on all this.

My advice to new players : RUN! I have spent 5 years in this game when it was awesonme up until they introduced the submarines that was the last nail in te coffin. (I ranked out once(Bourgogne) and got to Typhoon league four times(Stalingrad)) In this video it was not mentioned that legendary modules are locked behind research bureau. So you grind Yamato as a first tier X then you realizze you need to unlock research bureau (another 3 Tier X grind) then you need to regrind two lines twice to get the legendary module that is essential to that ship. Fuck You WARGAMING.

In addition to grinding ship XP and credits, the problem of commander XP for new players should also be addressed. The commander's "power" takes a big leap forward at 10, 14, ~18 and 21 skill points respectively. If you then consider that the XP required to level up beyond ~15 skill points is extremely high and how valuable the first commander with 21 skill points is, especially if it is one of the very strong unique commanders (Kuznetsov / Lütjens / Sansonetti / ...), which you only get when you have spent for example 175k coal, new players, even if they play well and intelligently, have an extreme disadvantage compared to the old players, even if they are worse / would be defeated under the same conditions.

That hood joke was pretty good

As a heavy wows grinder I have 2 tips: Tip 1 Capture points Tip 2 smack low hp targets Such as dds submarines and light cruisers

I think post-battle service needs to be removed from the game. Full stop. The grind isn't why people keep playing the game. And the flags need to be reduced in cost. (As well as returned to the achievements.)

IMHO, the most frustrating for new players are the octopus that hide under rocks and farm you to death, and overpens and ricochets in broadside ships. I also could never understand +2 MM, if its tiered game you should play in your tier, +1 at most.

Not buying high tier premium ships is not something new players know NOT to do. There's literally no resource in the game that advises against it, and WG would never do that as they WILL lose money. I have recommended this game to quite a few of my friends and family, and the highest I have seen any one of them grind was Tier 7. Very few players even make it to T10 before they realize the game is a time dump and they don't like it as much as they hoped they would. Most new players will pull the trigger on a high tier premium ship when they are at tier 5 or 6, and started to notice the much longer grind times involved. And not knowing that the gameplay changes massively from to T8 to T9, to T10, they then buy these stupidly expensive ships and get absolutely annihilated, but now...because they spent so much on the game, they have to keep playing and grinding. I've seen players get nasty with newbies who are playing at high tiers with premium ships, while I actually feel for them. They had a few good games at T4 and had no idea how the gameplay would change at T8 or T9. Because nothing prepared them.

I only play co-op matches these days. Radom battles is no fun and to toxic.

YEP, I have 5 ships unlocked but not enough credits to buy them. let alone outfit them.

OMG Sea Lord, the timing of this video is perfect. I've been playing for a couple years, mostly PVE, I found that many PVP matches were not new player friendly and no fun. The problem though, is PVE doesn't teach you how to become a better player so we've got a bit of a conundrum. But I love this game so I kept chipping away and grinded up a couple lines, first 10 was the Mino and as much as I love playing her, I lose money every time I take her out. Recently I started noticing (and maybe it's the signal flag issue), I am not generating credits like I used to. I've got 8 boat lines waiting for credits to upgrade to the next tier...now to me, that's a real parity problem. I mean, in every other MMO, experience is the currency for leveling up. I brought this up with the WoWS Reddit community and the people that replied were very helpful and commiserated with my situation. The bottom line I got from them, get better and play randoms. The game was never meant to be played PVE. So consequently, I've all but quit playing. Because right now for me as a PVE player, the feeling of progression is not there anymore. I love your content and I'll continue to experience the game vicariously through you, thanks man!

Been playing for about 6 years now, and everything I’ve learned has been learned from KZfaq or Reddit forums, about game mechanics, economics, strategy etc, there’s sooooo much information to learn as a new player that isn’t mentioned really anywhere in game

5:25 Hood joke was great 😂

As a relatively new player (15 months) I think what drives new players to buy their way up irs that WG (and WT) are set up so that most of the rewards or "fun missions" require that high tier. All the battles about which tech tree is best are nice, but I remember being a little frustrated when WG announced an event or I'd see an operation or something like that mentioned which required a tier (#) ship to participate - while I was grinding away with my Tier (much lower) ships. For example, right now. If you're new and grinding through the Japanese tech lines as your starting point, you can't participate in the D-Day events.

Being uptiered has ruined my fun in tier 8. 9 is doable mostly in tier 10.

The problem with the credit economy is that there is no incentive to play lower tiers to fund high tier play. Even with a gray booster and premium time on a tier 9 or 10, I have to go full potato and my team lose for me to lose credits. Do that in Tanks, and you are spending a few rounds in tiers 5-7 to recover those lost credits. But in WoWS, hit battle again and you will likely get your credits back and then some in the next match. Super ships were supposed to be the solution, but again, it didn't solve the rest of the tiers. Which leads in to the next issue of MM, where getting double up tiered is the norm. Getting non-stop bottom tiered in tier 8 or 9 just isn't fun. The signal flags just needs a big price cut. Like an 80% cut to get people to actually buy them. While I seem to have a steady flow of them coming in from just playing the game. I can see clans needing to have them for clan battles, but for randoms or operations, it is easier to either go without the bonus they give, or play a different ship until I get those flags again.

SLM: "Have you ever seen a player that fails to exist at high tier?" Me: "Of course I know him, he's me."

By the time I finished grinding xp for Des Moines by playing Buffalo, I realized I immediately hit a wall when it came to the credits I was earning and realized it would’ve been smarter to buy back the Baltimore and New Orleans and just save up credits for Des Moines and maybe coal for Salem. If credits weren’t an issue I would probably be grinding a second tech line by now. I’m a new player but I did have some experience from Legends and I can perform decent on the US heavy cruisers. Increasingly I’ve been looking at co-op battles as a way to get signal flags from the Science of Victory campaign without really needing to expend them. As a new player you’re given a lot of credits, just about enough to get you to tier 8 without getting miserly with your resources, but once you get around there, you start to notice the credits running dry and so do even your basic credit bonuses. More missions that make credit boosters and signal flags in particular easier to obtain would be amazing.

As a newish player ( 2 years playing now ) I can and have noticed the downgrade of rewards both paid and earned. The old battle pass has been the biggest casuality. You used to get thousands of steel and tens of thousands of coal along with 6 red boosters of each type. At one point, as a monthly battle pass player I was sitting on 50 red free xp boosters.

i did play this game years ago and recently started again. And im pretty much "new" again. Im currently doing exactly this: grinding American Battleship Line and im on the North Carolina. The Grind slowed down significantly, like i drove from a good road into thick mud. It feels like my personal impact and chance at getting good Credits out of a match are significantly more reliant on the Team i get and the Matchmaking. I have fought more Tier 10 than Tier 8 ships on the North Carolina and its quite the struggle. Now if i imagine i was completly new and dont have experience at all i would barely make any progress. I see so many people in these matches who run straight into death, broadside the whole match, hide with 8 ships behind 1 single island... nobody cares for AA support, nobody follows you in a push. And that makes a lot of players choose the easy way: sit back, shoot as far as you can, so you still loose but your chance is higher not to die and loose credits.

Thank you for highlighting the pain of new players. I feel like the game is making sure that you are not receiving any bonuses/flags and it's really difficult to get enough credits to unlock t9 or t10 techline ships. In fact for the same price or less as a t10 ship you can unlock a new nation until t7 or t8. The issue with this, you end up in t10 battles as the only t8 in a cruiser.

When I got enough XP to research the North Carolina, I didn’t have enough credits to buy it. This was the first time credit became an issue. I remember selling almost all my lower tier ships but still not have enough credits to buy the NC. Nowadays, I make sure to build up my credits by playing mostly premium ships or ships with mounted economic boosts.

For the first time, I have to put the hat up for you for making something special and great at the same time among all other wow youtubers, these are the sort of videos wow community need, education materials for all new players heck even some not so new maybe don't know half of the informations you provided in this video. Now, I am very appreciative of being your follower ❤ so keep it up please and be unique and different from all other wow youtubers.

I remember grinding the French DD line as my first line. I was reading before about the line something like that: "Small and quick ships with big guns to annoy the big guys." I am still amazed that I didn't quit wows back then with kind of 350 games to come to the Kleber, a WR of probably 30% and a PR deep red. Didn't know back then about tactics, what hydro even is and that premium + camo can give you serious advantage grinding. Also no help from the official Wows sites as well. Ended up buying the Ägir and also wasn't happy afterwards. The big change came, when entering an active clan, playing a lot in divisions, asking all the stupid questions and watching videos on how to play the specific ships. The curve is still high, but it's much lower, if I had known stuff before.... And wouldn't have started french DDs first. 😅

A lot of the content is locked behind the top tiers. Like campaigns, missions, events, and so forth. That's FOMO pressure to buy top tier.

I think your video's and the video's of a couple of other wows youtubers are very educational for new players. It should be mandatory for new players! By the way, new players are often totally not open for any form of feedback. Got two yesterday at Brawls, hiding behind island in the back with brawlers, while enemy team capped in no time. How kindly you giving some feedback, in 90% of the cases they react very upset and even toxic in some cases. So if you're a relatively new player, please be open when someone kindly gives you some feedback and learn!

It was because of the KZfaq community like you and Jingles that allowed me to get back into the game. Even so, it took me a while to learn things like rng and sigma values that I had to take into account. Edit: I believe they nerfed the battle pass over the years. It use to give you a ton of resources including blue and red economic bonuses. Now, only blue and it feels like a lot less. World of warships battle pass was one I felt was very generous and worth the money. Now not so much.

The Tirpitz was my first poor premium buy too. I love the ship now, but newbie me all those years ago when it first came out had no idea how to play it

I am a relatively new player, with about 270 battles under my belt. At first, I looked at signals and said "huh, neat". Then, I kept running out of them. They cost me over a million credits to replenish, so I decided to do something else to save credits. I just sell signals now. I don't mount them! Every so often, I go through my inventory and sell all of them. If signals were easier to acquire, I wouldn't do this.

I have played on and off since the beta. War gaming has always made sure players are short on either experience or silver for new ship purchases and sometimes both. Now it is always both. Steel, coal, and other resources are too slow to accumulate in the time to use them to purchase what you need with them. Choices: captain? Flags? Continue to save for a ship? Module? What to do? Again: not enough resources. The grind was bad enough when you could buy the next ship a bit after unlocking it. Now you have to play lower tier ships to make coin slowly in order to build up enough to buy anything. T-8 to * are losing coin even if your team wins. The answer is not “get better “ either. Only one or two players can come out with a profit at most. That leaves 10 players losing credit. It takes the joy out of playing the higher tiers.

best advice i could give is,"buy premiun days" give you a lot exp and credts, and choose economic containers above anything else if you are really new

Buying a tier 9 or 10 is throwing away money, the post battle service still cleans you out, You lose money playing those tiers unless you have some kinds of bonuses running.

The grind isn't that bad, you get tons of xp boosters and free credits and such in order to build your bankroll. Never payed for a premium account either. The only thing that takes grinding is getting your captain to lvl 21.

Th8s dockyard grind is BS 350 torp hits with a cruiser 45 destroyed in a BB eyc eyc, I can't get past mission group before last although already have completed dockyard coin missions

There is a reason why Asymmetrical mode is popular. You take in a T9 or 10 ship and get to fight T8 ships. That’s fun and fair. But hopping in a random battle in a T8 and going against a full lobby of T10 sucks balls. I started playing last spring. And the battle pass gave 10k steel. I went ahead and spent money to get doubloons to finish it. Glad I did because 10k steel in a battle pass hasn’t been offered since.

I've been playing since OBT and my advice to new players is: "Play all the tier ones. Then all the tier twos and so on. You learn all the ships. You learn all the maps and you learn the game before you get to the high tiers." Also: The grind IS the game! There isn't a real goal or endgame but when you reach tier 11 all over the board a big part of the game is done. Don't rush it, you'll get there. When I "grind" a new line I play one game in that ship per day. Then I play other ships. You don't get bored and you earn credits at the same "pace" as the XP so you can buy the next ship when you unlock it. It's also nice to have some FXP at hand so you can use it to "get out of the stock" i.e. upgrade the ship from the start. There should also be a limit how high a tier premiums you could buy.

The problem these days is that the lower tiers are now just mainly for bots. I started when the game came out of Beta and slowly worked my way up - I really wanted the Cleveland (T6 then) as Jingles showed it was huge fun - I bought my way up and truly was awful. Some nice chap on the old forum gave me good advice and I went back to T3 and learned how to play the game in the St Louis - angling, aiming, positioning - took me about 1000 battles!! I didn't play high tier premiums until I played tech tree ships at that tier and I enjoyed the grind - except Pensacola at T7!! I now mainly play T7 - I found a ship I liked and mainly play that - I do get Premium as I always have credits and anything else I want and free premium comes up all the time so not even that expensive. I think WG should make the lower tiers more attractive but keep protecting newer players - Tier 9 and 10 are full of make believe ships on the whole and play style seems to be very static - mid tiers are much more dynamic and fun. My advice is don't feel that you have to shoot up to T10 but grind a few different lines and have fun. We are not all Flambass - most of us are more like Jingles and make like him and have fun!

I’m not a bad player, I just need the potential damage for the dockyards. XD

Don't forget that if you want to play between rank 1 and 6 you will most likely have more bots on your team then players, so when you reach a higher tier you will have very little experience of actually competing against real people. Playing Tier 9, 10, and Superships is really fun with top tier economy as a completely free to play player, and its even worse now that bonuses were removed from all my camos I collected over the years.

I've started playing like half of an year ago, had to create second account cuz i failed economy on my first and the grind was unbearable. At some point i just bought Iwami and realized how nice it is not having to worry about credis anymore, they will just keep pilling if i keep playing a premium on T9. Unfortunately after leaving the protected matches I was once again doomed, after learning that i'm playing against players with 20k+ battles on their account it left a bitter aftertaste

As a man who played the game for 6 years, accumulated hundreds of ships and then the CVs came back. Then the subs popped up and then the camo/flag rework was looming I quit back in 2022 and still have no urge to reinstall. I'll watch a video or stream here and there, and that's it. Thanks, WG, for good times, but its none to be had for me anymore.

Love the "need det flags- take your Hood into battle"

I’ve started to run stat monitor and it’s amusing when you see players in ranked that only have 100 random battles yet when you look also have 10000 coop games!

Many players, new and some old, never learned that they can sell their old modules from their inventory, Click on your name in port, go to inventory, select modules, and SELL them. You don't need them. Most players I teach this to get around 15 million and the record is 23 million. He was a very happy dude!

Remove the service for battle. It's way to expensive and players chose to just not play at all... remove it and watch players come back

One difference in ship tier; For making cash, and being able to run with your clan in Random Operations, a tier 8 is more than fine for new players. You have a clan to teach you, and if not then something like a Mainz gets you lessons learned very quickly while making money for your grind. Most new players tend to avoid Random vs Co-op because its so much more fun when you are learning. Hell a lot of experienced players do just because of CV, sub, and general chat bullies. Now I say Mainz because it's hard to over extend yourself, its more forgiving, and it's got a little of everything. I still think she's a great credit farmer, and if I could only have one premium, it's her.

There really aren’t any in game mentors or coaches. Where a new player can ask someone questions on the fly.

that firechance on your tirpitz in this game is insane. you burn constantly.

I played in 2019, then just started a few days ago again . Imho, the biggest Problem, which this Games shares with similar Games is - often there is not a SHRED of Teamwork to be found from more experienced/higher ranked Players. Many experienced Players will happily sacrifice their Team and the Win, if it means they can pad their Stats . I think everyone knows the "hiding behind a Rock, and not shooting until its the killshot" BB . Yeah, those guys . There are other variations of asocial Teamplay ofc . For a new Player, its devastating to loose, and moreso when you realize you could have Ez won had just everyone on the Team played to win . Established Players don't suffer so much from little credits/exp. etc . New Players - do .

The grind as a new player in this game is fairly difficult. I finished my first T10 ship Yamato in like 120 hours.

Left the game around the time the German tech tree was added, but started playing again a few months ago. I only made it to tier 7, but was sitting on 40 mil credits not having to buy all the different little things like signals. Playing now, to stay competitive and not drain credits it's basically going back and forth between premiums and tech tree ships. Not having a max commander already hurts a ton, but stacking signals on top of that is another thing.

If you're not a super unicum player, or one of the pay to win streamers that pay their actors for impossible solutions (not you, SLM, but we all know who they are), you're just gonna have a rather poor experience in the game. The hostility between new people and old people is expanding. The toxicity of the playerbase is also expanding. The enemy is literally Wargaming, who, as you said, hasn't stopped their high tier money making printouts... low tier was fun. Now it's impossible, because subs and CVs ruin it worse than high tier.

When I got back in WoWs few weeks ago, I got suprised that the camos doesn't give you extra credits. I was disappointed. I know I do have a hefty sum of credits on my account and I"m trying to get Des Moines, but the fact that they disable extra credits on camos, it changed my perception in the game.

Playing since Beta...The biggest mistake i made in this game was to sell all the flag i could sell BEFORE the work work came in, as i thought they wouldn't be transferred onto the new system and would lose them. How wrong i was. I had hundreds of flags with bonuses on which would have transformed onto the new system with enough to last me years, in XP, credits, commander and free. Instead i only got the bonuses from the flags i could originally sell and although i had loads, 500+ in most, they have dwindled over the course of the year to the point where i have about 50+ credit flags remaining. more in XP and commander and little left in free XP flags. Without any of that and i never play premium (i'm not a sucker) i can imagine how hard it is to grind a line now-a-days for new players. Not like a unicum player like me, where you end up in the top 1-3 every game with a decent pay back, making the grind easier. But if your coming at the middle-bottom, it's a tough grind. But my advice is simple...DONT buy a premium ship at tier 8-10 after installing the game. It's not gonna be fun for you and it's going to cheese everyone else off who has taken the time to learn the game. You wont learn, you wont get better. IF you are going to buy a ship, and only IF, then get something at tier 5 to start with. Tier 1-6 is kinda new player territory so little is expected from you. Tier 7-8 you should be able to know the game, what your facing and put up a scrap. Tier 9-10 you should have a few hundred battles under your belt and know the ropes and don't be a burden. However...It's not the case now-a-days and the amount of red players at tier 10 and even tier 11 is shocking (MM tells me this every game). The worse, period, it has ever been in it's history. If your new...Join a clan and get some help.

When the Tirpitz first released, so many people got it at once that every random battle you went into was fully all Tirpitz's it was hilarious.

Have two accounts, on the first I bought the 10 containers, got 2 commanders, the Tirpitz, and 1 container which gave me some blue bonuses. Tried the same on the second account, 10 containers, no ship, 3 commanders, and 1 container which gave me some blue bonuses. If you gamble, you may win, but you may lose.

Haven't played WoWS in years, and had no idea they changed it so you no longer get flags from in game achievements. Like you, I (probably?) still have tons of secondary flags, and other flags too. I basically never left port without a full stack of flags on whatever ship I was playing, as I'd earn more flags almost every game.

As someone who has made it a personal mission to grind my way up the tech trees, I can say that you will not be doing it in a hurry. Getting from tier 1 to 5 isn't hard and doesn't take excessive time, but it gets progressively more time consuming after that. Yeah, now I have a lot of economic bonuses to paste onto the ship, and that speeds things up, but you're still going to be playing a lot of matches with that ship to get enough XP and credits to get the next tier. It's what's kept me from going for research points, because every time I think about it, I also think "do I really want to grind this again?"

Excellent video SLM! 7 year player here and yes the grind back then was much easier. I watched a LOT of KZfaq how to videos when I was starting out. Chase from (ichasegaming) used to have a really great video playlist on how to be an effective captain in WOW. Not sure how relevant they would be now, considering all the changes that have occurred, but he covers a lot of the basics. Hope you don't mind me referencing another KZfaqr on your channel. You know who else they can always reference,? you. You have a bunch of great videos too.

I started playing around 1,5 years ago. My mainproblem was and is: credits. Since i bought my 2nd coal premium Azuma my creditproblems were just me not faarming them in Azuma or later other very good credit farmers, but before that it is quite hard to earn enough to grind all those lines. And i know everybody says just grind at maximum 2 lines but at the same time u are supposed to play all different clasas in order to understand them and there are so many very interesting lines to grind and i knew the game better than most players playing it for 1/2 years bc i watched very very very many guides on yt, with that i just had to learn where to aim and where to position not more.

I highly agree in getting new players to join Clans. Not only to learn, ask question, have fun and interact. But also get to ask clanmates about ship lines or nations, how many lines have we all started that sucked because we did not enjoy the style at the beginning. Not only that but play in division and try not to die so fast by rushing the middle, see their positioning etc. Yes it may take longer to grind and get good at this game. But we still have a great community that can be of an amazing resource. Plus youtube streamers like you with great videos to check for how to play etc... despite subs in game wow still fun!!!

I'd call myself a new player, and I'd say the biggest grind is *commander xp.* Mainly because it's outright impossible to live more than 10 seconds as a DD without Concealment Expert once you reach T5, but you have to stay in T4 several times as long as it takes to research all of the hulls available to your ship to get a rank 6 commander up to rank 10, even if you're using boosters. Now that said, if it's anything like War Thunder then... yeah, credits are going to swiftly become a problem too, but they aren't for the first month of playing, at the very least. Admittedly, the fact that I'm trying to progress seven lines at the same time without letting any get more than a tier ahead of the rest might be part of that, too. So many commanders to train, and only three of them don't need rank 10 to stand a chance...

my biggest tip for new players would be to try every class for at least a few 10s of battles, especially the ones you struggle against. feel free to ignore signals, as a new player you are likely to get yourself into deadly trouble, none of the flags will help with that and end up just wasted. (you can buy them with coal if you really want them, you easily get over 1000 coal per day with the daily containers by playing a few matches) i actually went without any economic bonuses back in the day for a year and a half. as example, if my memory serves, it took me a bit over 100 matches to level up my bismark with shipxp and by that time i had the credits i needed. turns out xp and credits are pretty balanced in wows, as long as you dont boost your xp-gain more than your credit-gain, you will likely have what you need when the time comes. or just get yourself a freemium or premium T5-T8 and play it regularly for the extra credits.(the freemiums are pretty good and can be obtained for coal by just playing a few matches every day for a month or two)

For the CV and sub part I would say CV are easier to deal with but subs are more annoying because they be under water most of the game.

SLM: "I can grind a whole shipline in days or a week" Me as a PVE only player: "-_-, i spend 3 months just going from T9 - T10, and a least half a year to get to T9..."

Absolutely sick of the noob player base partaking in tier 10 battles. So sick of these scrubs having no clue what they are doing.

For new players to not feel the pain of too few credits too much, grinding one tech line at a time could help. Also, you will probably get a freemium from events or through coal/steel from ranked at some point and using your credit boosters on that ship will be much better.

Hey, I'm new to this game and I stink at it. If I'm the last ship alive my teammates will tell me I suck. I thought the object of the game was to stay alive, support your teammates, and knock out the enemy.

I think playing the game for a few thousand battles and sampling the different tiers and classes is very very important for a new player. Don't spend any money until you've done that. Remember, this is a free2play game so you have that convenience to try before you buy. Try the different modes too because they can play out very differently. Coop is good for learning the very very basics, aiming, shell velocity, your ships handling/speed/breaking/turret+torp traverse speed, maps etc BUT, its nothing like how a real battle is so don't get fooled by it thinking you're "ready" or good. Scenario battles is imho an amazing way to properly learn your trade before dipping your toes in the PvP world and even then you're still going to get wrecked but that's perfectly ok and accept because it's a path we all walk and like all PvP games it's mostly a case of rinse and repeat combined with practice makes perfect and of course... you'll just get horribly balanced teams and ships because that's what WG does best. So initially it might be hard to understand if it's your own bad play, your own good play, or just a team that sucks either with or against. After several thousand battles you'll definitely start to understand what type of ships and classes appeal to you most and then you might even start to understand what tier you're comfortable at. Consider the different tiers as entirely different game modes tbh. While there's similarities across all tiers at the very basic level, they're actually very different. Personally I enjoy playing tier7, 8 and 10. I would suggest to avoid tier9 since it tends to be bottom tier against tier10 and tier11 frequently and so you're not only trying to learn but you're naturally going to be out-gunned by superior ships and lots of CV's. In fact, once you're getting pretty decent at the game, try and run with a tier8 for a while until you're happy with your skills, then fast-grind to tier10, effectively cutting through that tier9 killzone asap. As for tier11 or superships, personally I wouldn't recommend them to a new player. They're massive credit sinks by design, more to bleed established players with mountains of resources to burn than anything else. They lose credits per battle, have a disgusting price tag and from personal experience they just don't deliver the sort of performance to justify that. On paper they'll average more damage per battle compared to tier10 ships, but in most cases I think that's purely down to having more HP to last longer and more HP to farm from enemy ship rather than anything gainful with firepower. Also, do take the time to watch helpful vids on KZfaq by the likes of SLM featured here. There's always freebies along with the relatively new Battle Pass style thingy(Yes I'm more of a WoT player!!)) and even though new players are definitely baited into climbing tiers quickly, doing that doesn't actually help so don't stress about it and you'll get their eventually anyway, and sooner than you think with the odd free premium time being thrown at us

Honestly WG needs to make the games learning curve more doable and engaging, as a Cruiser main that is absolutely dogshit after investing 200 hours and only getting 20k dmg almost every match I have learned things such as concealment, positioning, dispersion, and planning ahead and I'm still garbage even in low-tier battles It took me ages to learn this untill a player was kind and honest enough to give me advice and tell me every stupid move I was making only problem is that I still suck and the only improvment is how long I survive in a match

8 months in this game . I have like 15 tier 10s and 1 super ship. Premium time and ships has helped me a lot with being lucky in premium boxes with great premium ships.

I'm a new player took me 2 1/2 months to grind out a T10...That's after I burned a lot of economic bonuses on trees I should have never went down...The grind is real...But I made it through it, and learned a lot playing against vets and watching this channel...I'm going to stack a lot of coin before going down another tree because that was the grind..

Don't die. Always have an escape route. Be patient. Don't push into submarines or torpedoes. Take time to work out where the enemy is. Avoid putting yourself in a position where you can be crossfired. When you decide to go then go hard. Target destroyers and submarines.

I am a new player. I have been playing this game for about a year now, and my highest tier techline ship is the t9 Iowa. Even playing the Iowa, the repair cost after each game is insane. So I usually play of my 8 high tier premiums instead. All whilst not having a single t10 techline ship

When I was new player back in 2016-2017, the worst tier to grind in this game has to be T7. It's right before you get T8 modules too. Also not sure if it's still ture, but the game's tutorial is virtually nonexistant. One of the most important things in the game, how to aim the guns using the ticks on the scope, is never mentioned in game at all.

Same thing is going on with War Thunder, especially in high ranking air RB and tank RB, low level apes with account level 10 buy premium tank, they die once and then they leave. There should be some minimum account requirement before buying premium tank, but why would Gaijin say no thanks i dont need 70USD

The ARP collaboration brought me back and I was still relatively new. I have like 180 battles and mainly played cruiser but oh my god im trash at tier 8. I have a tier 7 but I am going crazy on watching guides for cruisers because I feel so useless lol

I think one thing I wish they would improve is the economy and desire to play tier 5-10 rather than just playing t8-10. You make no money below t8(and above t8 too) but the struggle is just to reach t8 as fast as possible even though there are some cool t7 and t6 ships but they get horribly matchmaked, especially at 7. The credit grind is the only thing that actually keeps t8 a live because it is the most optimal tier to do so especially with premium ships. It's an economy thing, but it effects the fun and value of all the tiers. The first premium ship I bought is still to this day the ship I go to make money one and it's just the T8 Roma. It's a fun ship but straight up I make like 5x the amount of credits in that ship compared to anything else.

Its not just the grind its the hostile meta that present to new player during the grind , low tier RANDOM is no longer RANDOM , its just Co-Op with both side having some human players thrown in and not in a good manner ; Mid tier madness - double CV - sure, double / triple SS - sure , and well more than often double CV + double SS , and of course the stated credit crunch and also - of course - pretty much all the not really up to date mid tier DD, Cruisers, and BB are not and never are balanced for such meta , not help by old hands seal clubbing there It might not be the welcoming answer , but once get pass T5 , you had options as a new players and its call Scenarios ( Operations ) , and sometime you even had Ranked , Clan or temporary mode that allow mid tier ships ( as we are having now with the D-Day Utah Beach part )

I think the question answered itself in the comments. WoWs hardly was a "game" back in the days; armor layout was a thing only at the same time we learnt there was actually a hidden parameter called sigma, and the dispersion of the shells didn't occur only wide-wise, and that was 7 ys ago (iirc). We "had" a puzzle that we needed to analize and solve by our own. Not by playing, but thru searching and watching other ppl's works, docs and vids. I quit the "game" 5 ys ago for this reason, and it seems it only got worse. More than a game, its another job of research, optimize and learn every single scenario you may get to face. This is a wiki-game. There are people who likes that kind of stuff. Its ok. But ofc, advertise it as such doesn't get you the player numbers they need to keep afloat.... Hehehe.... weegee floating But yeah. I personally think its the same situation Tarkov is in rn. Its too much time demanding, learning curve too steep for casuals, micro-managing every single moment of the match.... But its the only one who does it *JUST RIGHT* . And the moment an Arena or Delta Force equivalents comes out... Will see then.

I am currently working on my first BB (MOntana) after having played my way up to the Harugumo and Yodo. I've unlocked De Moin too, but havn't purchased it due to credits. But boy let me tell you the North Carolina grind is so freakin frustrating, even after experiencing Buffalo. M.C. tops the feeling of uselessnes in this game for me. You guns have dispersion from hell, you're sluggish and at Tier 8 your teams DDs tend to perish within the first 5mins of the game. And then there's superships,.... fun.

Something that did make my brother leave the game for good was the fomo WG does. And that also scares new players away. Whats more motivating than having the best ships as goals? New players see Thunderers, Alaskas, Smalands, Musashis etc. They also hear that they re amazing but that they re no longer accesible unless you want to sell a kidney for them. Which kills the motivation. Next is the progress. As of late WG started to give us blue boosters in a rate which was for the reds before. Greens have become the new blues. We re getting starved of boosters. Again unless we want to spend heaps of cash. All in all its WGs greed that hurts the player count the most.

As a new PC player but veteran console player, my impression is that progression and economy are both slightly easier on PC. What I really notice is that very few people are playing the game in comparison to console. WG has said on their streams that console is their largest player base, but from my estimate via event rankings, there are around 100K active console players only. I think most PC players have retired, and I’m pretty sure growth is low. That’s why they brought in this cross platform promotion.

I'm a new player, started last month, I already have a t IX Izumo through grinding but the next step is DAUNTING, I've already done all of the campaigns which don't require 6 specific t9-10 ships to progress. The Credits are definitely what holds me back, I usually have to sell my ship to buy the next tier in the line. I did the grind through the Wisconsin also and purchased the ship at the end.

Its funny, when I first started playing there were only American and Japanese tech trees, but if you bought in the first week or something the ONLY other nation ship, the Tirpitz, is on sale! Now I was only able to play for a few months before life happened and I didn't play for literally years. Now I'm back and I'm both an old and new player.

I made the mistake of buying a tirpitz as a new player only to find constantly being up tiered in Random. By that time my winning percentage suffered in a ship I had little experience in, limited commander skills, limited player skills...you just become a target for experienced players to farm HP.

Old player here... I will say I play almost exclusively without flags, all the time... For various reasons. But agree the new player experience have gotten worse

People constantly say play lower tiers to learn higher... but they feel hoorible when i used to try to learn. The feeling and gunplay feels way off compared to a t9 or t10 in every way. I have never really enjoyed t6-8 grinds (especially on battleships... those are so bad). I would recommend just practicing at t19 or 10. Jump in and keep failing, but look back at how you failed and see how other players play the ship you are using/the ship you were facing. Its a game, not a competition where you either win or die. Most dont succeed before failing.

I did slow grind to Yamato in beta with no premium. I remember the first time I took a hiatus from the game was when it started costing too much to play the ship. even if I survived, I had to play very good to actually make anything. That was with ought premium. Playing war Thunder and enlisted right now. and honestly the grind is real. but the game doesn't bleed you dry either. or force you to buy premium to succeed in it.

I myself am relatively new and the grind past tier 4/5 gets AWFUL, it's demotivating without premium and credits are in short supply especially with BBs. I'm a PvE player, i never get many credits from co-op games due to cruisers and destroyers being able to kill everything before im able to accurately land a shell on anybody. Also super containers give you NOTHING. you get hardly 20 signals from them.

Invest in one of the Unique captains early, if you're be building up a high level cap it's better to grind up one that has skill bonuses and talents. Eventually you will want multiple high level captains so you don't have to pay to move them around as much but getting one of the good unique ones first will save you time

As someone who has never played this game but liked the arpeggio of blue steel anime and saw it had a tie in to this i was thinking of giving it a go with one of those. I played WOT and hated the economy so much that I never tried any of the other games. Id probably end up like one of those new players lol.

I agree! as a new player I found it hard to enjoy past tier 4/5 still fun, just frustrating

I have been around so long that I have an Arkansas B. Still, I took a long time away, but I have noticed if one digs in the game information sections, one has plenty of tutorials on game mechanics to watch to get better. And plenty of vids here on KZfaq such as yours. And I have dug quite a bit.

Yea I bought the Yubari to buy into closed Beta back in the day and didn't fire a torp for several weeks because I was worried about killing friendlies :) LMAO, team damage was a thing back then and team killing wasn't uncommon. Anyway I ended up buying the Murmask as my credit generator and it worked well because I seemed to get to around T8 in most ships and then burned out and was forever starting another line :) Today the resource I never have enough of is as you said, credits, I was lucky enough to get the MO with free XP and 1 Credit back when that was a thing and today it is my normal ship to play as I am always short of credits, I am finding it quite grindy now and am close to calling it quits, play four games in the MO then one if a ship I want to play, just to get credits. Everything you said about the flags and camo etc. is all quite true and newbies buy the lower tier premium, more fun for you, more fun for older players, being wiped and finding your CV has 70 games as a CV and other ships explains a lot with all the one sided games.

As an experienced player who left for a year and came back, the biggest problem with the game is the mechanics. They just do not work as advertised. I understand why. If the mechanics worked as advertised, it would extremely punishing for new players. And WG like to give whales special protection. That makes commercial sense. I get it. Even so, the game is joke. Only a sucker would let themselves be farmed by risk averse whales in premium CVs.