Second Session w/a Wild Horse - Touch Desensitization | Mojave Stud 2

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Sam VanFleet

Sam VanFleet

2 жыл бұрын

Hey everyone! I have the second session with Mojave up and ready for you. You can see that I've changed my approach a bit this time... the first session gave me a good idea on what to work on in this session.
In this 8-9 minute session, we began working on facing up, and introducing the feel of touch with the rope. You can see that the energy in this video is a little higher... I like to try a few different approaches to see what works best for the horse. You can see there's a bit of a fine line with this dude between creating a draw and teaching him to join up and trying to add in touch. You'll see in session 3 that he quickly figures out that the energy isn't directed at him and he mellows out a bit when I toss the rope!
It's important I keep my body language calm while moving the rope around more... this is new to him so this reaction isn't a surprise.
Facebook/Instagram: @vanfleetmustangs
Website: vanfleetmustangs.com
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Hey! My name is Sam and I enjoy making content of all my horse adventures and sharing some training tips to help others understand horses a little better. I enjoy competing in Extreme Mustang Makeovers and traveling cross-country with my horses and teaching clinics! I love interacting with all of you so feel free to leave me a comment or message me on Instagram :)
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Re-occurring Horses (Personal + Current Training)
Mojave​​- 8yo 14.2hh bay stud (Feral Cryptorchid)
Lynx- 7yo 14.2hh grey gelding BLM Mustang (Wood Hills NV)
Calliope- 16yo 16hh pinto mare Draft X (PMU foal)

Пікірлер: 64
@KingsMom831
@KingsMom831 2 жыл бұрын
I really love that you take the time out of your super busy schedule to narrate/voiceover in these videos. Lots of people have videos like this but there’s no audio explaining anything.🙏🏼😊
@patriciastaton6182
@patriciastaton6182 2 жыл бұрын
❤️💙
@loune3799
@loune3799 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice Sam! You are so calm and methodical, and it’s nice to see/hear about what methods you decide to implement based on previous sessions. There is no one right way to train, there are a variety of pathways one can take based on what works/doesn’t work for the horse. You definitely know what you are doing! Keep up the good work, it’s not easy being a young professional in this cut throat world. As an aside- I too saw the think like a horse video and it really left a bad taste in my mouth. As a young female engineer who has worked with many older men, I immediately recognized the condescending and patronizing rhetoric. Assumptions were plentiful in that video, and they were all negative to boot. Assumptions based on one video. The comments were worse. I’m sorry you had to deal with that- as engineers we actually are not allowed to talk publicly and make assumptions about the work another engineer has done. Why? Because no matter your expertise, if you personally haven’t worked on the project then you don’t know the whole story. For example, You may think the other engineer over designed a bridge and did so to increase costs/revenue, but what you might not know is that there may have been other factors and/or assumptions made by the other engineer that you were not aware of that made him design it in such a way. By notifying the original engineer rather than immediately making a public statement, you are allowing the original engineer to defend themselves and explain their reasoning behind their design. Think like a horse could not even give you that mutual respect in the first place, and when you asked him to come to you first next time, he chose to ridicule you. Not making public statements before getting all the info is written in our code of ethics. Why? Because by reviewing and critiquing the other engineer publicly without their knowledge you undermine the credibility of the profession as a WHOLE. Anyways, sorry for my rant, it just really left a bad taste in my mouth and I personally found his video very unethical. It’s one thing to call out an abusive “trainer” who is endangering a horse. It’s another to sh*t on someone’s (nonabusive, morally sound) training methods just because it’s not your preferred method and you think only your way is the right way. Again, keep up the good work Sam. You are a great teacher and I’ve learned a lot from your videos.
@alicepotter8165
@alicepotter8165 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t care what that guy said on another site. Your method is working well.
@Mindyluvspilates
@Mindyluvspilates 2 жыл бұрын
I've seen that guy (I think) .... he critiques every video I've seen in a negative way, needless to say I didn't stick around. Makes me wonder if he knows a single thing about horses or horse people. I watch a few channels of horses, both domestic & wild, and while I don't always agree with methods I can agree those methods work for the horse & handlers I'm watching.
@coraseats2643
@coraseats2643 2 жыл бұрын
what vid is it
@taybarrett2893
@taybarrett2893 2 жыл бұрын
Rick isn't for everybody. Lol!! He means well. I agreed with his critique of Sam. I also agreed with the positives he had to say which he did point out alot of positives.
@julierussell8876
@julierussell8876 2 жыл бұрын
@@Mindyluvspilates He does know a lot about horses and training. However, his style of critique is unique. He has a lot of goes at women but he's not sexist it's just that female horse owners outnumber males by a significant amount. He does critique both genders. Rick is an acquired taste. I can't handle too many of his videos at once. Bottom line he does have the horses interests at heart. I don't subscribe to him. I don't necessarily agree with everything that I have seen from Sam SO FAR, but it's certainly not bad or concerning nor is it wrong. I think she is rushing personally, but horses are very forgiving and they learn quickly. Sam has good energy and is very confident and calm so I think this Mustang will be fine and he will learn a lot from her. I like her calm energy and her confidence. I know she has trained and gentled many horses successfully and am looking forward to seeing how this all develops. I have not seen Rick's video on her nor am I interested in finding it.
@MarcoNotPolo
@MarcoNotPolo 2 жыл бұрын
Just to be clear, Rick had only criticized on the videos title"wild mustang, never been handled" he claimed that this was BS and I agree with him, sorry Sam, even though he did comment on Sam's method of training he was not critical of her method, it was his opinion only and how he would of interacted with the charging insodent, so can one of you empowered women, because I've noticed all these replys are from women, please tell me when has it become immoral to have an opinion??
@jenniferflynn7171
@jenniferflynn7171 2 жыл бұрын
I love watching...im on the edge of my seat!what a gorgeous, intelligent ,opinionated animal!lol..
@jomama5186
@jomama5186 2 жыл бұрын
You're a heck of a lot braver than I would be! Thank you for all you do for these beautiful beings ❤
@dw8057
@dw8057 2 жыл бұрын
Handsome boy! Sam, your patience and persistence pays off.
@kirsty-vg3xk
@kirsty-vg3xk 10 ай бұрын
Talented aswell, to be able to chat and answer questions while training so well. I was tearing my hair out trying to concentrate while my family hung about during backing mine three years ago 😂
@MarcoNotPolo
@MarcoNotPolo 2 жыл бұрын
Glad to see at this present time that only one comment that has mentioned "think like a horse" Great job Sam, you have more courage than I do to have entered a round pen with a stallion, keep up the good work
@shelbelee
@shelbelee 2 жыл бұрын
Lol and for me, it is your comment 😂
@MarcoNotPolo
@MarcoNotPolo 2 жыл бұрын
@@shelbeleeI was referring to a comment by Alice Potter,
@jadehyde3975
@jadehyde3975 2 жыл бұрын
love the video cant wait to see his progress more and more
@inspiredclips8245
@inspiredclips8245 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for continuing to share your experiences, life, work, encouraging talks with us and more...for free! My learning style may be visual, but your narration is very educational. Laural
@Lietjesmarket
@Lietjesmarket 2 жыл бұрын
Smart little fellow! Love this
@roosalwaysthesun8759
@roosalwaysthesun8759 2 жыл бұрын
You are awesome Sam, thank you so much for sharing, loved it. 🙋🏻‍♀️😁🤗👊🏻👍🏻🤩 Roos
@sheilacampbell2521
@sheilacampbell2521 2 жыл бұрын
He's got a real nice trot😍
@elranchosumdayo
@elranchosumdayo 2 жыл бұрын
Quite the change from the first video. He's going to be a good one u/s. He seems to be the forgiving type once he's zoned in what is really happening.
@roosalwaysthesun8759
@roosalwaysthesun8759 2 жыл бұрын
Thé horse is very pretty 😍🥰
@annegulbransen3961
@annegulbransen3961 2 жыл бұрын
I think I have that same blue rope! I really like it!
@kate_likes-horses6626
@kate_likes-horses6626 2 жыл бұрын
You did really good!
@shelbelee
@shelbelee 2 жыл бұрын
Not trying to be insensitive, but laughed out loud when he had that big reaction to your rope. You could see him learning in that second. “Wow if I overreact I find out that walls are hard” 😂
@cedarhatt5991
@cedarhatt5991 2 жыл бұрын
👍👍👍
@coraseats2643
@coraseats2643 2 жыл бұрын
love the way you work with them!! been trying your method on my mare and we got a first real ride with small trotting and improvement!!🥰🥰
@oq_
@oq_ 2 жыл бұрын
Woww you are so cute i can watch your videos for hours!!!!!
@zombiegirl4469
@zombiegirl4469 2 жыл бұрын
Im happy that this stud is getting good help from the right person. So many mustangs go to people who dont know what they are doing and the horses become nearly ruined.
@hazelwalker6570
@hazelwalker6570 2 жыл бұрын
I saw Pat Parelli work a wild mustang that had never been touched at a demo in Las Vegas years ago and within 30 minutes Pat was standing on the horses bareback with his boots and spurs on . Pat is the real deal. He would never be moving his feet around putting pressure on a horse like she is doing. Stand still girl!
@elifearr5348
@elifearr5348 2 жыл бұрын
@@hazelwalker6570 Perhaps Pat Parelli had done so, but you have to understand every mustang and horse is different. Their traits, trauma everything, And i have a slight disbelief that horse had never been touched it takes years and years to properly back a horse and get them out of the green stage,
@mjcjjcc7
@mjcjjcc7 2 жыл бұрын
When the horse chooses
@robincreager2494
@robincreager2494 2 жыл бұрын
Please start posting on rumble!
@jadehyde3975
@jadehyde3975 2 жыл бұрын
what halter do you use when Tying and training to stand I have a 8yr old appy gelding when I got him his previous owner told me he was abused I could see that as he dose not like to be tied he freaks out, i got him used to it for the most part other then when he feels pressure or gets tense , and I had him tied up like he is used to and also used to noise and me putting water on him( I got done riding untacked him and was going to put water on him and cool him off) (noise was my dad mowing not near tho) he got stressed I backed off to release stress as I could not get close enough to pull on the lead so it would release and he pulled until he broke his halter he has broke 7 so far I got a rope halter and soft tied him trained him on that just fine then I tied him and added pressure and he broke the rope halter and when he did he was pulling so hard he sat on his but tipped and fell. I don't want him getting hurt or someone getting hurt I have dealt with it in the past but never this bad...... and tips will help
@jadehyde3975
@jadehyde3975 2 жыл бұрын
he dose this but don't come forward like the horse in the video he goes back until he breaks lose kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aZyViZl1yqqzfKc.html
@johnjacobs4207
@johnjacobs4207 2 жыл бұрын
Here is a consept I saw Pat Parelli do one time. If the horse is going stand still and keep your hands still. It's like the pressure and release communication thing. All the horse can see is you asking for something else if you are always moving or swinging your rope. When the horse stops then move and ask for movement. I put a cloth flag on the end of my stick so the horse can see that you are trying to ask for something. What we are trying to do is get a change of direction. If you are moving he thinks you want him to keep going. After you back up and he faces you then raise your flag and ask for impulsion the opposite way. What the round corral is for is teaching the horse to face you and stand while you get a halter on him. With and halter you can really communicate better for a change of direction. Now you can desensitize. With the halter you can start the teaching of the principle of bend. One time I saw Pat circle a horse in a hackamore while he was sitting in a chair. The horse new to keep going whithout any movement from Pat. Round and Round. The horse also knew the principle of bend and when the horse was even with a straight wall Pat pulled on the rope to bend to a stop but because there was nowhere for the hind quarters to go the horse slid to a stop. Pat said " thats how we teach the sliding stop"
@unrulyjulie4382
@unrulyjulie4382 2 жыл бұрын
Don't you realize how disrespectful your comment is? Sam is just as good a trainer in her own right and has worked very hard and done an excellent job in presenting the method that she is using with this particular horse. Every single horse and situation is different and what she is doing here may work for someone else in their particular situation.
@justseekingtruth3998
@justseekingtruth3998 2 жыл бұрын
@@unrulyjulie4382 maybe he's just sharing information. He didn't seem critical or disrespectful to me.
@jesseelisabeatty8205
@jesseelisabeatty8205 2 жыл бұрын
Back in the day over 20 years ago. I used to go to pats simminars..i bought an eaay leader no pull halter.. what a game changer. ( i used to go to auctions..bought horses for my trail string..one we named ciggerette..why, she was bad for your health..lol bit, kicked, would grab the bit, buck, flip herself over, ( bought her on " bute" with abcessed hoof..my farrier i took with me and ussally my vet,( but she didnt come that time. ) said no founder or feet problems other than a small abcess.., suspected bute, but thought no major behavioral problems it was for she didnt limp. Pat used her in one demo..( pointed out she had been abused..and they were " learned" behaviors..hurt humans they leave you alone. ( he " re booted her..started from ground up , built trust, by kindness, but be FIRM. An action for her reaction..keep her " thinking" move her feet.." wear " the bad behavior out ( swam her in the river she loved it..pony her on trail rides , brush her, release her , saddle her, unsaddle let no ride..walk her to the river..swim her..then work with her..( she was tired and focuced. ) desensize her..let her throw her fit on a lunge line in a round pen..get it out of her " system" where after you just kept her moving..use sweet feed, grain to catch her, take her to the river, groom her, let her graze.. keep her guessing ..positive reinforcement..she tried to come at me to do the back up kick, zapped her own self with the electic fence ..i just had no reaction..shed try to bite or snatch you..all she got hold of was burlap with habanaro juice and no human reaction..took 2 years..just being calm, no reaction , she mellowed out. Wanted to work. Her demenor changed. Found her " calling" in life..( she loved to barrell race. And herd cattle..GAVE her to the 14 year old brave enough to get on her ( they clicked instantly) . ( she was the one who taught her to barrel race) i wish Sam was around back then ..i love her methods. I dont have a horse but..i have a friend just got hers. Sam has taught her alot so has camille. Ground work, you gentle a horse..not break a horse, take the time in that. Ive actully got a bath on her horse..by accident..he likes me.. ( almost more than her..ugh. i was washing my dog he liked the water..i misted it over his head, in the air..ioffered him a drink, he was " playing" so i just started jokingly squirting the hose at him ..( on him) he loved it. Abd was turning his body, and " rocking and doing the shake off the water..used the hose to scratch the itchy spots through the fence..( hes a grunter lol or noisy) she bought him at the sale barn hes 5 unbroke..not handled much..he sees a hose..hes your best friend..lol..hes fast to learn..very playful..hes a goof. ( dont know what the tounge flappping is? Hes not bored.. he does it when he follows me cleaning the pen, or runs off dragging my rake if i lay it down..she hates it his name she calls him is cheif but i call him goofy..lol. his papers are cochise war.. ( appaloosa) love his glass eyes..
@DianneBengtson
@DianneBengtson 2 жыл бұрын
@@justseekingtruth3998 “Here’s a concept.,.” Is sarcastic. How would he like it if I pointed out that concept is spelled with a c? How about we try some R-E-S-P-E-C-T? It takes a little bit more self-control to be civil but it’s well worth the effort at least the way I was raised.
@laursresindesignco4948
@laursresindesignco4948 2 жыл бұрын
I am about to buy a horse who's back legs are very sensitive. Any tips on how I can like desensitize her legs?
@sidilicious11
@sidilicious11 2 жыл бұрын
I like to get them used to touch on their back legs first using a stick/whip, doing light calm touches. Stop and back off when they tolerate it. Then try again, doing a little bit more than before. Baby steps. When they are fine with the stick/whip then try a rope. Go at speed they can handle. When they are fine with being touched with tools then you can more safely use your hands. Good luck!
@laursresindesignco4948
@laursresindesignco4948 2 жыл бұрын
@@sidilicious11 Thank you so much! That definitely will be very helpful! I appreciate the help!!
@dariohidalgo72
@dariohidalgo72 2 жыл бұрын
Que pena que el caballo se vio poco.
@johnjacobs4207
@johnjacobs4207 2 жыл бұрын
no disrespect intended just passing on valuable knowledge
@farmgirl3359
@farmgirl3359 2 жыл бұрын
Do you ever have horses that just bolt like crazy ? Run you over if you try getting in the way? Nice work!
@clayknobfarms8069
@clayknobfarms8069 2 жыл бұрын
What do you think of Clinton Anderson? Do you like his method? Opinions?
@rival1203
@rival1203 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not her but personally I quite like him and his methods because they work. It does look like she has the handy stick and the lunge line from downunder horsemanship but it might be an off brand.
@danstephens1260
@danstephens1260 Жыл бұрын
An opinion, if you've watched some who are really smooth, Anderson looks like a hack.
@laceydevillier3922
@laceydevillier3922 2 жыл бұрын
Do you let BLM put a halter on before you load them?
@audreylee5117
@audreylee5117 2 жыл бұрын
can i just ask, why can't we let wild horses be wild?
@madsequine6417
@madsequine6417 2 жыл бұрын
There are many reasons, over population on the land is a big reason, not all wild horses can eat on the same land. And management of the horses and giving them a good home
@audreylee5117
@audreylee5117 2 жыл бұрын
@@madsequine6417 no i get why they need to get rounded up (though frankly over population sounds sunny considering they allow over 50 million cattle to graze) but why can't they be brought to a sanctuary or something like that where they can at least still remain wild (more or less), without having to fit to the wants of humans?
@ericalouisee
@ericalouisee 2 жыл бұрын
@@audreylee5117 i understand, however they need to be able to be handled to some degree for farrier or veterinary reasons.
@janinecarson8380
@janinecarson8380 2 жыл бұрын
@@audreylee5117 Those that aren't adopted (and that's a lot of them) eventually go to long term holding facilities, pastures where they are mostly left alone. There's approx 40,000 horses in those now. There are simply not enough good homes for them. They are taking a lot more off the range this year due to the severe drought.
@KarynLTapleyMDMBA
@KarynLTapleyMDMBA 2 жыл бұрын
@@audreylee5117 There are entire documentaries, quite good ones, on your very question. If you are truly concerned, you should find and watch a few of them. The short answer is the BLM land (Bureau of Land Management) is US Public land that *IS* the "sanctuary" you speak of. These horses are allowed to run over their "natural" habitat, however, that habitat is fragile, very arid desert in most cases, and prone to natural disasters like fires, blizzards, flash floods, etc, like everywhere else. This means that the horses often breed faster than the land can accommodate their numbers and food/water needs. This means that the herds must be "culled" on occasion. In the past, this meant getting sent off to slaughterhouses in the US/Canada/Mexico, but when people heard about it, there was a HUGE outcry and the US decided to try a more "humane" management of round up and adoption. The REALITY of this new policy is that there are over 50,000 wild horses basically living in dirt pens in various Western states (I've visited several) because there aren't enough people to adopt them.
I wish I could change THIS fast! 🤣
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