SECRET Dialogue About THE BLACKWALL - Cyberpunk 2077 Phantom Liberty

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DefaultDanielS

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7 ай бұрын

Secret dialogue with Hellman + implications of Songbird accessing the relic.
I remember checking all the endings so if my mind is playing me feel free to notify me :D
The quest is called "Life during wartime" and it is part of the main mission, so it is impossible to miss.
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@williammoutchia9292
@williammoutchia9292 7 ай бұрын
You ever notice how the relic never acted up while Songbird was on it? Hell, she even cleared up the blurry part for us. Arasaka wasn’t telling us everything about it
@DefaultDanielS
@DefaultDanielS 7 ай бұрын
the relic malfunctioned, it happened when we were pulling her up in that ending where we send her to the moon
@user-hf3fu2xt2j
@user-hf3fu2xt2j 7 ай бұрын
songbird choked the relic in the very beginning
@GrimK77
@GrimK77 6 ай бұрын
Arasaka never knew everything. Hellmann never managed to activate it in trials. Yorinobu stole it. Then V stole it. Then it activated inside V's head. Hellmann learns from V that relic can actually work. Down the line, Hanako needs V unharmed and cooperative to restore Saburo. Relic was always a plan to extend Saburo's life, and story is shaped as if Yorinobu was always intended as a host, to and for "honor the family".
@yellowbirdie7182
@yellowbirdie7182 6 ай бұрын
I mean she literally told us at the beginning V can’t handle seeing both Johnny and Songbird at the same time so she cut him off
@connoranderson7432
@connoranderson7432 7 ай бұрын
There’s secret dialogue with Alt if you do the “help Reed” side of things in Phantom Liberty. She references the Erebus/Canto mk 6, calling it “a weapon to you, to them a back door”.
@DefaultDanielS
@DefaultDanielS 7 ай бұрын
cool, the ending conversation with Alt ?
@shoazdon7000
@shoazdon7000 6 ай бұрын
Apparently you get that dialogue regardless of the ending you pick. The weapon is So Mi
@connoranderson7432
@connoranderson7432 6 ай бұрын
@@shoazdon7000 doesn’t make sense. She’s no longer a weapon depending on the endings of PL you choose, could even be dead. The dialogue makes more sense if you consider the fact that V can acquire an actual blackwall weapon.
@Rrgr5
@Rrgr5 6 ай бұрын
Actually makes a lot of sense, So Mi never had a good ending, the only real good ending for her is when you end her life, if she went to the Moon it probably means that the AI already took over and the other AIs are using her.
@kektaro
@kektaro 6 ай бұрын
​@@shoazdon7000no because in my ending i let so mi die and as alt put it "you have something that belongs to them" and as oc said, "a deadly weapon to you, a backdoor to the future to them" which basically means by using erebus or Canto to kill people, youre allowing the AI to grow and adapt for when implants allow ai to take over people
@IxXDOMINATORXxI
@IxXDOMINATORXxI 6 ай бұрын
Regardless of ending Songbird ends up being corrupted by Blackwall AI. Even if she dies the FIB takes her body and is going to prod it. Dead or alive, escape the FIB or not, i really think they set Songbird up to eventually cause the fall of the blackwall and my guess is that's what the sequel will focus on. Songbird really is the bomb that will cause the fall.
@kevinfernandez6532
@kevinfernandez6532 5 ай бұрын
Or maybe she is the one holding the black wall together. That is why everyone is willing to forgive her anything and the rogue IAs want her.
@kassandraofodyssey6475
@kassandraofodyssey6475 4 ай бұрын
It’s FIA, not FIB. You’re thinking of GTA, not Cyberpunk.
@whoevencaresbra-5990
@whoevencaresbra-5990 Ай бұрын
@@kassandraofodyssey6475it’s so funny tho
@DPowered2
@DPowered2 5 ай бұрын
People kind of forget Myers made her do it and used her for that purpose.
@cheshirevee1427
@cheshirevee1427 4 ай бұрын
Myers* doomed us
@DefaultDanielS
@DefaultDanielS 4 ай бұрын
Myers didn't order her to connect to the engram. She was doing things she didn't want to for Myers but that wasn't V's problem, she made it V's problem
@UnknownOps
@UnknownOps 7 ай бұрын
The more I think about it, the more I felt like killing So Mi was the better ending, yeah sure you killed her but think about it this way, she went through and got infected by the blackwall, you also saw her fighting against another version of herself or maybe another AI as it tries to take control of her, when you take Reed's route instead of her, also in the words of VDB netrunner Slider, she was quoted as being a "walking time bomb that will screw everyone over if not dealt with immediately" so if she got to the moon, she could have easily doomed more people and perhaps even humanity in the process, she was too dangerous to be left alive. In the end, freeing the bird could have also meant letting loose another invasive species to ravage the ecosystem, it was a hard choice from the get go but she had to be removed, for her sake as well.
@arcee9810
@arcee9810 6 ай бұрын
Y'know, I'm something of a walking time bomb myself.😏
@MrReckless273
@MrReckless273 6 ай бұрын
Totally agree she was threat to leave alive sucks she had to die but in the end she sorta had it coming. Least someone understands that and isn't a simp willing to bend to her knee to help her.
@xviii5780
@xviii5780 5 ай бұрын
​@@MrReckless273 but Alex dies in Reed's route, I can't do it 😫
@exterminatusbutton8723
@exterminatusbutton8723 4 ай бұрын
I killed her because I wanted the blackwall weapons, she asked for death so I gave it to her.
@aarnavghosh2260
@aarnavghosh2260 4 ай бұрын
This is stupid because I saved songbird . Saw myers reality. Sent songbird to the moon realised reed is nothing but a mindless soldier. Shot him Freed Alex from her monotonous life songbird send me the quantum tuner that allows me to make the most overpowered sandevistan build in the game. She is on the moon and everything is fine. After don't fear the reaper ending v survives it all with the help of blue eyed people Anyway.
@CLAIR.L
@CLAIR.L 5 ай бұрын
It's not the PL endings but getting access to the relic tree that triggers this extra dialog
@DefaultDanielS
@DefaultDanielS 5 ай бұрын
I received this comment on another comment where a guy claimed something similar "1 month ago @DefaultDanielS Nope, went through the entire introduction to PL (Up until you have to wait for Meyers to be extracted after meeting up with Reed) and the Hellman dialogue wasn't there. No clue how the other person managed to trigger it early, but I'm just gonna assume that the trigger for the voice line takes place when you discover Songbird is messing with the Blackwall which is pretty much at the end of the DLC." you are probably wrong, or the trigger is actually defined correctly after all the patches? I did this very early
@thiskidren8719
@thiskidren8719 7 ай бұрын
Thank you for your dedication to checking through every ending!!
@DefaultDanielS
@DefaultDanielS 7 ай бұрын
thanks for watching
@AK_-xn1fm
@AK_-xn1fm 4 ай бұрын
I always questioned why everyone thought helping and freeing Songbird was the “good ending” when in the whole scale and ramifications of it all she is a MASSIVE threat to not only herself and you V but everyone. Let alone the fact she may end up being used by assuminhly Mr Blue eyes and we don’t even know his intent. Songbird is literally going to get used like she has in the past. Either by the AI or anyone else who gets their hands on her.
@dylanchristie7259
@dylanchristie7259 4 ай бұрын
Exactly. Hell songbird even outright says “I’ll probably serve as their lab rat once there”. It’s kind of tragic but I think the only way she could truly be set free was in the path where you kill her. I got this ending on my first playthrough and honestly I’m satisfied with it
@Volkbrecht
@Volkbrecht 4 ай бұрын
There really isn't a good ending. Either way we have to sacrifice something or someone. On one hand I liked that, it's a nice change to not have to be the good guy. On the other hand I really hope the next game will give us a scenario where we can actually win.
@DHunter-bm3fr
@DHunter-bm3fr 3 ай бұрын
So yall would rather work with an even more corrupt system with even more fucked up way to get things done? They're literally use a girl to make her a weapon of mass destruction and somehow you people keep saying that songbird is the problem?smh😒
@kevinfernandez6532
@kevinfernandez6532 5 ай бұрын
Everithing from behind the black wall should remain there. Has my Delamain taxi arrived?
@DefaultDanielS
@DefaultDanielS 5 ай бұрын
It seems like not all AI from beyond the blackwall are interested in taking over all humans
@Razgriz_01
@Razgriz_01 4 ай бұрын
@@DefaultDanielS Yeah, the "friendly" AI are simply indifferent to humans. Its the hostile ones that's the problem.
@chickenmasterman
@chickenmasterman 2 ай бұрын
You know a game has great storytelling when people keep discussing choices, make up theories, and hypothetise what could have have happened. And i agree. The mystery of the blackwall plot is intriquing as hell, probably one of the most interesting things in game to me. Hope that i will be explored sometime in future, while still having mysteries.
@DefaultDanielS
@DefaultDanielS 2 ай бұрын
it is intriguing for sure and they will most likely expand on this whenever they release the 2nd game
@lornbaker1083
@lornbaker1083 4 ай бұрын
she wasnt trying to save us. She thought we could save her. Being connected to the relic she thought we could figure out a way to overcome her own psyche rewriting. But we where merging to be akin with silverhand, as we got to know him he helped us being a outside perspective thinking about things we spotted but missed like the way you edit a brain dance. but the editor is there with you in all real time. But more then that we accepted a detant of a final ride or die. She was taken over by something utterly INHUMAN. as MAD MIKE ON MORROW ROCK RADIO put it. A TRUE Deamon. A creature born and bred made beyond reality. By the time we reach cynosure. thats not songbird. she died along time ago. and THE DEAMON infesting her body. It tried to trick us into selling the world out. But que the metal gear solid 5 song. as I look to johnny. "OH NO! NOT ME! SEE I NEVER LOST CONTROL! YOUR FACE! TO FACE! WITH THE ONE WHO PUNKED THE WORLD!"
@DefaultDanielS
@DefaultDanielS 4 ай бұрын
cool story so if that Deamon tried to trick us and Songbird was already dead by the time we reached Cynosure, it means the entire chase with the bot was made up so we would think Songbird is still fighting when in reality that wasn't the case? If that is what happened why would she call for V to end her or "it" in the case of a Deamon who you presume took over her
@GrimK77
@GrimK77 6 ай бұрын
I thought it's some graphical glitch that sometimes I get some red blocks of sudo texts during scanning... but after long buuuuut... guy in Delamain lobby was right... 69 at the end... public enemy
@damianszleszno
@damianszleszno 7 ай бұрын
I had this line even before I started anything with Phantom Liberty, I think It's not connected to the DLC but VoodoBoys mission in pacifica where you get to the BlackWall with Brigette and other Netrunners
@DefaultDanielS
@DefaultDanielS 7 ай бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nqdlaLqkzdmvpps.html This dude played the voodoo boys first then the hellman mission and that dialogue option isn't there 14:54:19 for the option, the rest if you want to check out the order in which he played you probably got the call from Songbird and it was enough for the line to be present in here
@romanbellic9580
@romanbellic9580 6 ай бұрын
@@DefaultDanielS Nope, went through the entire introduction to PL (Up until you have to wait for Meyers to be extracted after meeting up with Reed) and the Hellman dialogue wasn't there. No clue how the other person managed to trigger it early, but I'm just gonna assume that the trigger for the voice line takes place when you discover Songbird is messing with the Blackwall which is pretty much at the end of the DLC.
@DefaultDanielS
@DefaultDanielS 6 ай бұрын
@@romanbellic9580 alright then, good to know, thanks for providing additional information
@KILLAKINGD0M
@KILLAKINGD0M 3 ай бұрын
Everyone arguing if SB is too dangerous to be alive, and if we are unleashing rogue ai's is overlooking that V's situation is nearly identical. The relic is a backdoor. V is by the end of this actually a copy of V like Johnny is a copy of Johnny. Somi and whatever is potentially in her was also in the relic. V is just as dangerous as Songbird because of the "unknown" factor attached to both of them. No way of knowing exactly what Alt did either, but for some reason she preferred V to stay with her and let Johnny free. I doubt it's just to keep him from dying, she doesn't value life.
@xtranscaligirlx7946
@xtranscaligirlx7946 7 ай бұрын
honestly it's comes down to who do you trust fsrt alt who say you have 6moths to live who seems to be on jhonny side or do you trust a s tear netrunner with nusa government support answer is trust songbird yes she lies to you butt she key to getting the new ending and nusa president made it clear from the start that your job to fine so mi bring her in alive
@michaelrandolph6373
@michaelrandolph6373 5 ай бұрын
I get what you mean but it’s still hilarious hearing someone say “trust songbird” after everything she does
@xtranscaligirlx7946
@xtranscaligirlx7946 5 ай бұрын
@michaelrandolph6373 I ask this yes songbird was not fully honest butt never did lie about wanting to save v songbird was not super clear she actually telling half truh unlike and honestly if songbird wanted to hurt v she could have took v out right at the start remember sider that voodoo boy
@michaelrandolph6373
@michaelrandolph6373 5 ай бұрын
@@xtranscaligirlx7946 she did lie about saving v because if you help her she reveals she knew from the beginning that the cure would only work once and intended it to keep it for herself. She says she hid that information to make sure you helped her but since it’s way too late to go back she tells you the truth.
@xtranscaligirlx7946
@xtranscaligirlx7946 5 ай бұрын
@michaelrandolph6373 she was his lieing some details butt did not lie I point to most of the base game v is lied to buy jhonny and alt rouge clare dex songbird just left out details about the cure I think songbird wanted v to be 100% on the task of saveing nusa president because if she died nusa would be able to track bk to songbird and uncover she involved songbird konws just hacking nusa one trun into a crime I really wish cdpr had did more dlc phantom liberty open up alot plus with songbird alive depending on player choice I all so want to make it clear songbird plan to help v was green lit buy nusa president
@antiprime295
@antiprime295 5 ай бұрын
​​@@michaelrandolph6373 songbird: yeah it's too late for you to back up now, so here's the truth: I fucked you over. me: hope you enjoy Idris Elba's company then.
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