I once Pit Hagged an outed Good Twin Savant into a Mutant. It was brutal. Now both the Good Twin and the Evil Twin were making up fake savant info, but both were trying to make their info a little more useful than the other in order to not be the one to get executed. Then our demon started sinking kills, convincing the good team that they had killed the demon and needed to choose a twin to kill. The Good Twin eventually cracked under the pressure, hinted too strongly that they were the Mutant (despite warnings from the storyteller), and got themselves executed, so evil won. I felt a little dirty about that victory, not gonna lie. 😅

It's remarkable how little information town shared with one another.

I apologise for my language in this one... I drew snakecharmer in this game after two evil team losses where we played great but lost due to snakecharmer, so I was a little raw...! This was such a fun game though.

Evil Twin on the Mutant is hilariously evil 😅

I think the reason that people keep accusing Hazel of interrupting is that she keeps interrupting people.

At first I felt that this game was a bit unbalanced, but now I feel like a lot of good players played shady too long despite having so much info to the point, that they couldn't regain town's trust!

4:07 Aggie can't claim to be Mutant then get ST executed to prove. The reason why is that evil twin wins if their good twin is executed.

Townsfolk idea: spiritualist When it's in play the demon doesn't know they are the demon, they think they are a minion but they are poisoned e.g cerenovous can't actually make anyone mad, pit hag can't change people's roles etc. - evil knows the spiritualist is in play. When the spiritualist dies, the true demon is revealed to evil. The storyteller kills every night instead of the demon until the spiritualist dies. Any questions in the replies.

Wow, how does Ben keep track of everything? Just reeling off the game like that, he must have some short term memory! Though possibly my fave bit was the streamlabs comment...

The good team couldn't do more mistakes. Hazel messed the entire good team up, Aggie for some reason decided to never come out, Alejo the barber killing himself and not realizing that gave the Demon weapon to eliminate a good role and prepare a jump, and with all those informations they had just to sit down and talk but instead decided to go for chaos and lost.

"this one probably wont go on youtube"

I woudl like to start a petition to make "I'm mechanically obliged to NOT fuck off" (at 1:34:10) the title track of the new indie band "Greedy Dreamer"?

Ben: this one probably isn't going on KZfaq

I was very confused on how hazel played her madness role. Why did she make up a bunch of fake info and tell it to everyone? Why did she make herself a twin? I know you need to be mad about the role but, do you have to give out a bunch of false information unprompted?

June 18th?! Quit holding out on us, Daddy Ben!

At that final 3 couldn't they of voted out the fang gu no one dies at night and then they vote between the twins?

I really want an invite to play a game with Daddy Ben as Storyteller…

The job of the storyteller is not to make the game fair for either side or any kind of abstract notion of balanced. The ST job is to use every tool available to them within the rules of the script to ensure both teams survive to final 3 (accounting for potential kills making that happen faster than expected), and for both teams to have as legitimate path to victory that the team can muster with the best effort attempts of the ST to keep them in play. Ben does his job very well, and it was goods game to lose by knowing they had a twin and a demon alive and still letting the game proceed to final 3. A lot of Twitch chat seem to think it is about winning or losing, but the ST is only losing if the game ends early (in a way that isn't fun for both sides). Whenever it is up to them to decide deaths, the ST should make sure the most trusted evil player and the most shady good player survive and whichever team made the subjectively best plays has the 2 vs 1 (unless it will make it too obvious who the demon in, then they should absolutely stack demon + minion vs 1 good, if it is the only way to keep doubt on the table, even if it means "punishing" a good team playing well; obviously they weren't playing THAT well if having two evil alive means they can't pick the demon without the ST proving outright which one it is by killing the only other viable option). And it is pretty rare for the ST to even have that kind of power, unless they do something silly like make the demon sweetheart drunk which would actually be egregiously bad ST'ing to hobble one side that much mechanically in the final night when they have the option not to do so (i.e. not a player using a direct, guaranteed power; obviously a sailor trying to drink with the demon would drunk the sailor etc, but an alchemist assassin clearly has to be allowed to kill the demon in the night etc). I personally would probably never play a game like this, so don't take my assessment as any kind of statement of my opinion or preference; this is just the demonstrable role of the ST in this particular game that the players are all choosing to play (and thus should be expecting). Twitch chat seems to think the ST is meant to be impartial or merely a referee; not so at all. The Blood on the Clocktower ST's are meant to be pulling all the levers and strings they have to both prevent the game ending early or being a slam dunk final 3 demon choice, otherwise they might as well be playing Werewolf. The rules specifically exist for the Storyteller to make sure a story is told. This is my understanding of the game as someone who has never played it and does not like to manipulate people or bluff; I would just leave in shame and never play again if I drew an evil token. I could never do it. But it is fascinating to watch, because of the way social deduction games demonstrate how easily a small amount of bad actors sharing information can distort the worldview of a larger group; and when the good actors don't trust each other and don't actively share their limited information, they are doomed to failure.

I was in a 14 player S&V. I was the klutz, got 'killed' night 2, my witch (also wife) comes to me says don't nom because I cursed you. We won because we got town to kill the klutz (pit hagged) and they chose me. The only good person alive at that point was the snake charmer who would've died that night unless they chose me. All other evil was alive save original demon.

Nicky N2 was painful 😭😭😭

i really wish ben had just let nicky make that mistake with the barber swap

Can the evil Evil Twin become the Evil Twin of the evil Demon given a Fang Gu game where the Fang Gu targets the good twin who at some point was an Outsider, or does something happen that prevents that occurance? Seems like people like to wait on narrowing down the twin pair until after the Demon is dealt with, and if that's the case, it is possible that they wouldn't want to kill the Demon until they found the Demon. If it's not possible, I assume that, the moment the good twin becomes the Demon of the Evil Twin, the Evil Twin changes who they are the twin of.

I feel like Hazel just straight up threw this game for good. spent so much throwing out false info and and killing good players just to hedge that there was a fang gu and she got selected? a snake charmer tries that kind of thing and i get it, its literally how the class is designed and doesnt depend on a specific demon being in play and picking you. The rest of the teams played really well but that was so frustrating to watch

What would you have done if Navean had cerenovoused Aggie the mutant to be mad as the klutz? I am surprised that didn't happen, sounds like a guaranteed win??

Is there any way I can join a game? I don’t have a group of friends big enough to put together a game. Wondering if there’s any groups that host games I could jump In on. I really wanna play this game

hehe tarts

Evil wins by killing themselves. Nice.

Kat and Hazel kinda bullied this game. It would have been hard for me to keep up with anything

What does star-passing mean?

I say if a character is *executed* due to madness as the good twin be it Cerenovus or Mutant... The game should be over and the Evil team should win, because the Evil twin's ability is if they are *Executed* then their team loses.

I am still trying to figure out why the game ended and evil won. It was final 3