The problem isn't that it changes automatically, but that it doesn't allow you to keep it in MTI. IRL, the Sapphire radar could override the automatic change of mode and keep itself in MTI. If they're going for "realism", then they should allow us to keep it in MTI mode as long as it's under 1800 AGL. Nerfing a plane like this and asking for such a huge price tag should definitely not be thing.

At least they nerfed it before the sale instead of after like they usually do.

The MTI nerf is the last straw for me. I'm afraid the snail will do the same with the Mirage F1C too.

everyone is talking about the MTI change but no one talk about the fact that the standard pulse search went from 60 x 12 to 60 x 6, it's kinda big too imo.

Also for the people that want to use this in sim: careful, because its RWR might not be able to pick up pd signals, differently from the mld that can.

After the MTI nerf, I found that using R24T is more reliable IMO. But now I can't joust anymore. I have to play passive now. waiting someone that doesn't pay attention and slam it with IR missiles.

I coulnt even lock enemies without MTI.. it keeps locking random shit 20-30 km away that don't even exist, as they don't move according to the radar.. or just lock random chaf outside of the ACM square because why not.. 2 days ago I tried to play this plane, and I couldn't for the fcuking love of Jesus lock an f14 5kms ahead of me, because the radar kept snapping to a chaf 30 degrees off the ACM area..

Nerfing a premium vehicle which people bought with lots of money because it was good should be illegal

I found a little workaround for ACM MTI issues (although not as reliable) : Get a lock on IRST - Switch IRST to Radar - Target gets tracked (if not return to step 1) Don't forget to switch back to Radar if you want to launch fox1

I would like to add something that is incredibly important regarding this jet, and its something it cant help, that being the Br it sits at, because while 11.3 is a perfect rating for this jet and is a strong contender there, the problem is 12.3 jets that you WILL fight nearly every game. No joke I played 20 matches and 16 of them were uptiers in which my team was rocked by AIM-9Ms and the BS splash damage from AIM-54s that missed but hit the ground near you critically damaging the airframe, which on a very maneuverable jet like this is very detrimental.

i bought it and its fine there are definitly worse 11.0+ premiums out there ...looking at you F4Junk

Also I think they nerfed the r24r fuse delay, I used to fire a r24r at 2km, pull off while keeping the guy in the radar lock but now it doesnt blow up, I have played it with friends and found that it doesnt blow up but instead flys past the guy, the missle also seems to pull insane g at high alt like a ER and just fly off to the side of my screen all while having a good radar lock, perfect launch

4:41 “little bit frustration”, this makes the MiG23 ML completely unplayable, if you try to fly high ehiugh to use MTI you will get killed instantly and by using normal radar mode the ground clutter will also make the radar unusable, it is not a small deal it is a huge deal, don’t buy the MiG 23ML it is completely garbage, u less gaijin moves it to 11.0 I am not going to touch that garbage. And to those who say “JuSt uSE R24T It iS NoT ThAT bAD”, 90% of R24Ts will get flared unintentionally bc it will 99% of the time track a lone flare over a real target.

I don’t understand your argument about phantom, that is just worst flight model, who got compensated by a huge loadout and radar. While you lost your main armament of 24R and became comparable to what, phantoms in manuverability?! And about top 3 premium plane it’s just a trolling, I believe😂😂😂

got to the Mig-23m, first stock grind that actually feels painful

The Mig 23 ml/A/D isnt looking that bad on the performance anymore (how it performs now is almost identical to how it performed before) because gaijin did a hotfix on it some days after the update to correct its flight performance, but on patch day, it was Dogshit, i fly the Kurnass 2000 (F4E with more agressive agile eagle slats, slightly better at sharp turns) and i can dafely assume that the Mig 23 ML on patch day was worse than it, but that was adressed already, many people say that the MTI was the real nerf and i say that it kinda is, but the real nerf is that its ACM was increased in size, and cut in half on range, what is a shame since the R24R is better than the R27R on my Bison.

Everyday I think to myself "damn.... that's a sick decal...." and then I go on with my day

Great video, thanks for cleaning confusions also I met you in a recent game where you were playing the new meteor, the rocket tk was unfortunate but I wonder how did you even manage to do that

I would say that buying talisman on MiG-23MLD is a better option

I just got it and i regret every penny of it. Every time i play it i get BVR’d by F-14As and Mirages. I can’t even fly it for a minute without getting hit by a missile I did not see coming and is impossible to dodge. This plane gives me depression.

as a avid mig-23MLA, MLD and ML player, the Mig-23 flight model nerf did hit it pretty hard, however it is still good enough to defeat most aircrafts, it definitely was nerfed pretty hard, originally being able to pull up to 11gs at time, you will still defeat (most) aircrafts at your BR. I’ll add, pre-nerf, if you were experienced you were able to even give the f-14 a fight, now the f-14 if flown right will absolutely eat you alive. Besides that, i’d give it a 6/10, it will still grind pretty well.

Just ran a 30 minute Air Sim battle, it was 6 of them vs 2 of us. My Mig-23ML vs Premium Mirage and Phantoms. I bagged 11 targets for 6 losses. 2 were wing breaks chasing Phantoms and 1 was from airfield SPAA. We won. Granted the Jag did the ground pounding to win but I was gobbling up targets trying to down him. Won for 340,000 SL and 60,000 RP towards the Su-27SM. Yes the jet is very competitive and worth it. It just isn't clapping 90s era Gen 4s and getting away with it anymore.

I just picked it up yesterday. I have more consistency with R-24T(IR), than the R-24R(SARH). I have most luck with 24Rs head on. They can still get chaff dumped and lose target tho. 24Ts can make it threw some flares if you can a good rear lock. Alright at front and side aspect if target doesn't flare dumped. 24Ts added benefit of not having to radar lock to fire, BUT the IR target mode lock helps you not teamkill with it if there is a friendly between you and the target, or get a further front aspect lock and shot. Took about a day to get the hang of but now i'm getting 2 and 3 kills a game. Feels nice to take down a F14, F15 >:)

23ML had such a hard nerf, the negative GS ripping of its wings is just pathetic, the energy bleed is unplayable and the auto MTI

Played the mig-23ml since release and without much expirience in air combat, still love it even after nerf and my K/D is still solid, I can only recommend the plane, also the R-24T if used right can be a deadly "stealth" missile.

I haven't played WT in months, but I came back to try out the Mig-23MLD and with the radar nerf... only thing hold that part together is the CW radar. Bought the F4-S and I have found myself absolutely enjoying the bueaty, the only problems I have with it is it's radar and RWR. But whenever the radar isn't being picky, it's missiles and loadouts are amazing, along side the high speed AOA. Though having a lot of AOA at high speeds on uneven land trying to avoid SARH and ARM at just the right alt to not get hit or splashed by scrapnel from the ground is annoying difficult ever since multipath nerf. And honestly with how picky the radar is, the HMD mode makes it more annoying because whenever you finally do get a lock, you accidently unlock since you've been spamming so long, Ij just try to stick to ACM mode and hope the radar doesn't default to HMD mode.

Are you that guy from Jake's video

they fixed the sustained turn rate to around 500+ the mti thing is because of auto-radar thing so it would be easier for people to use the radar

At least you can now mix R 24T and R 24R like on MLA and MLD

can u do a mirage F1C or f1c-200 video and your thoughts on it

when you talk about the chaff filter you are entirely wrong, having chaff locked will make your radar emit towards the chaff but sidelobes will still pick up the plane that has a higher closure rate towards you and thats what the missile will see, thats just how radar works.

the biggest problem i have with all the mig23's now is aiming the gun causes the whole plane to do stupid rolling maneuvers sometimes causing the plane to hit something you weren't even flying towards

One think i think you are drastically overlooking is the fact that mig23ml has an spo10 rwr In previous patches this wasnt really a problem since you could very consistantly dodge radar missles by flying low but now its no longer the case And that means that planes such as mirage f1c200 and mig23ml (and the j35xs partially) have recieved a huge nerf in their consistancy because you are now forced to play against f14's or other american planes with multiple radar missles and a pd radar and your ability to notch is very inconsitant and impossible at shorter ranges Personally as someone who has played mig23mla and miragef1c200 this patch i would definetly not recomend them in the current state of air rb simply because you are in a radar missles meta where your radar and your missles and your rwr are worse then the avionics of majority of enemies you encounter Also for mig23's performance While claims that it will loose to a phantom are stupid you have to remember that almost all your games will be 11.7 or 12.0 and planes such as f14, f16, mig29, or even mirage2000 are now much harder to kill in a mig23 which in previous patches was possible if the enemy made some mistakes

Does MTI really not work in look up? Moving Target Indication removes background clutter from the radar, surely it is still able to filter targets in look up mode using MTI its jsut there is no background for it to filter

Seek thanks for another amazing video. But do you have any tips on grinding faster I have over 600 hours and I am just not moving in tech trees.

If its historically accurate then its fine. If its artificial then obviously no. Prems should not be exempt from balancing.

I want to buy it, I need some help researching the tiers VII and VIII but waaay too many people say it is bad and not worth it for me to be comfortable spending money on it. I am conflicted.

The flight model changes should not matter to anyone since the large majority of war thunder players don't even engage in conventional dogfights anymore. Everyone knows that missiles carry the game and you should realistically not be taking fights against planes that have a situational advantage over you. Look at F14 players thinking they're maverick for example. This change was overblown by the community.

Technically the F4F has better thrust to weight than the F4E at every altitude and speed and fuel load besides a small point around 20minutes where the f4e is slightly better

I bought the mig-23ml after the nerf, and it was my first mig 23. it has been amazing to grind with and even though it's nerfed, If you're smart, you can still pretty easily get 2 kills with r-24. and yes I do value your opinion and you're actually the reason I chose the mig-23 even though you mentioned it was getting nerfed. If I chose anything else I would've been disappointed.

As is with everyone who cries about everything in this game, they don't understand the game. You pay for access to the vehicle, and not the vehicle as is. It is stated in the EULA that any content is subject to change at any time. This included BR, functionality of modules, etc. As per the usual, people made a purchase they didn't fully understand and now they're angry. Oh well. It's about time this game started getting back to the "historical accuracy" angle for it's vehicles instead of meta chasing.

The R530Fs on the Mirage F1C are reliable now. They work just as well as sparrows against targets just chaffing.

mti makes the radar honestly unusable

At this point I would take basic SRC over this automatic bullshit

Any way to get a tutorial on how to use the radar now that it has changed?

with my mig 23 i deactivate and ignore the radar... i always use the T missiles and go for long flanks on the right side of the map

f4f is more maneuverable than f4s or f4j to my knowledge

i would love some guide on the mig23ml or something cuz i played only ground rb i now switched to air rb and its like easy to get kill or 2 but i know i can get more but dont know how to do it

I'm going to "trust you" (no pressure) and buy it to grind russian tech tree and to grind marathones later. Gonna get your decal too, it looks good, but it's too American to put it on a russian plane :D I'll put it on a10

After this fucked br "decompression" I don't think buying prem jets is a good idea

Is it worth it rn in sim EC compared to su-39? I know it sounds like a cancer question but im just trying to decide what is faster and more consistent: doing pvp or pve

I just got it to really help me grind out Russia and compliment the event SU 25 that has the R-73's

4:51 All you have to do is just roll your plane over, turn the belly to the sky and neg-G towards enemies higher than you. Simple Gaijin coding isn't it? But I expect this will get fixed sooner or later.

Guys don’t worry, the plane is just fine. You’ll never be diving the furball, and your best option is to Simply snipe kills from low energy opponents, or attack from the side. If you are jousting in this plane in the first place you are doing something wrong.

I swear I took this out 3 times after the Nerf and went back to my american F4S wich now serves up the mig 23 with its better aim 7f. I think the SU22m3 is a better option the squad vehicle. Lower BR better match making 6 R60m missiles

As someone who nought itnat the sale.. i love the thing.. its not a flying tank ornanything.. its just enjoyable which is something this game needs sometimes

I bought the mig 23 half off last year and urs great but why the fuck did they nerf it. Soviet has to go against the op f14s and aim 7s.

I bought the plane yesterday, so far i have had a pretty good time with it getting 2+ kills very consistently. R-24R's and the planes raw thrust and speed at higher altitude is pretty disgusting that its pretty easy to get a drop on people in downtiers and even uptiers im in a very good position beginning of the match that i can get contest f16's f14 f15's when i get a first launch, most of my deaths happen from radar missiles i failed to evade. its not trashed imo

😱 0:36 (i am famous 😎) No but seriously for me the biggest change (I played the MLD not ML) is for sure MTI, as search radar is just useless, one chaff and its gone, but MTI keeps track through all chaff (unless multipathing) and I honestly don't feel dogfight capabilities are too important for the mig23s I did win a dogfight against a F14 (with a stock MLD) so I think it's mostly the MTI change most people are angry about as again, dogfight heavily depends on the enemy's skill (mostly) and dogfight tend to happen rarely, or the dogfight rarely finishes without someone shooting a missile from far away hitting you mid dogfight. (Which I have done many times towards end game, seeing my teammate dogfight the last enemy plane you just fire a missile and they will very often be too occupied and won't see it)

Gaijin just made another primium thats not fun shocker

It’s my favourite target in my f14

I think buying a premium is the problem. Everyone knows Gaijin nerfs them one month after sale, and you never get whats advertised, you end up bullying all the non premiums and it's basically either a speed bomber or a no skill free kill machine. If you want to buy normal planes, i think that's fine, but premiums are either garbage or unfair to everyone else playing or paying normally.

Thanks for the DECAL.

Peeps just gonna have to use there noggin and deal with it. Plus this jet is for sure on the top of the list for a premium buy I mean look at the J35XS not even having a single radar missile or even the J-7D or even the Kfir Canard for highest tier premiums in nations. Plus buying the Mig23 right now at half price ya cant complain for thirty something bucks snf getting 2500 GE and premium time for almost a month worth. The Mig-23ML is VERY usable still and these nerfs really arent the bad, I mean it could have been a lot worse.

its impossible to use it on sim

This plane still kicks ass. Sim SB in VR with flight stick is by far the best way to play this game outside of ground RB. Plebs keep playing arcade mode in 3rd person

The reason your feelibg like this is because you dont have any missles on, are at optimal fuel, try 20min and you would have the wings fully swept back and would take about 5 seconds before fully coming out. In a real fight this thing gets ruined by the f4s

How were you able to climb so high and stay high? I always get folded by amraams and long range radar missiles

In AirSB, you don't event get lock on RWR from phantoms using doppler, really mediocre plane now, because misiles don't have labels there

Hey Seek! What do you think about the F1C? France is my last tree to grind and I have the reward Mirage that I love at 11.7 but I'm getting fed up with the RP penalty.

4:50 No, no it will not work just fine.

honestly the only thing that bugs me is the mti change. it sucks.

R-24R are pretty crap on Mig-23ML as of Lately.

I get what everybody is saying, and they’re not wrong. That being said other vehicles also get screwed over because of the way things are supposed to work. The Bradleys don’t have to close their ATGM launcher when they move. IRL they do it to prevent possible damage from vibrations. That’s enough for Gaijin to make a manual process automatic and there’s nothing you can do to stop it.

Why it's is not on sale on PlayStation store???

In a realistic scenario you will still most likely lose to the phantom, it has quite an advantage in the first few turns and will gain a significant positional advantage in those turns, meanwhile you have to sustain AOA dogfight it and bleed the F-4E's speed till it has lost, hoping that the F-4E's pilot doesnt know how to aim or use it's better position against you

Why are you people still buying this shit???

Could u do a video on the j-7D? If we should buy it or naw

Gonna cop this bad boy tonight. Ive wanted it for a while and its finally on sale. Idc about the nerf i want it anyway lol.

You think since america got a 12.0 premium Russia is going to ?

its so funny seeing people get so upset about a shit aircraft being shit lol

is 2nd nerf after sale... (-30 deg slower turn ratio + r24r nerf)

Do you think f4s phantom is better?

it's not all bad tbh I can consistently get 2 kills with r24's alone and premium F-4S pilots are easy pickings with the R-60's. Yeah the flight performance is bad yet I still managed to win a 1v4 in it and had a fun little dogfight with an f-16 and won. ML or MLD either is alright but there is one thing this playerbase has lost ever since we got things like the F-100, a brain.

IS the mig-23MLD better than the ML?

i want your decal but i dont want to give gaijin my money until its worth it

Even though the nerfs are warranted and historical, there should at least be some compensation. These planes cost $70 and shit like the F-20A is still missing basic shit like its Zuni rockets, the F-4S (isnt great anyway) has purposely shit belts and a sub-par missile set for what it is expected to fight, the A-6E is outright unusable because paveway II bombs and even the new AGM-123 dont function properly because they dont glide like they do IRL and they dont target properly either; and this has been the case for years for some of these planes. I've actually reported multiple times the issue with Paveway IIs and they keep labeling it as "not a bug" despite the very simple and thorough evidence i provide. They literally model the Paveway IIs like normal low drag dumb bombs and thats not how they should be at all. Planes let alone any vehicle, should not be releasing in an incomplete or literally broken state for $70 at all. The only time something releasing incomplete should be ok is if its something that hasnt been released for anything else yet either. They also shouldnt become and remain in a broken borderline unusable state for years after an issue has broken them for 70 fucking dollars (A-6E issue).

I honestly don’t play 23ML because of the radar changes. I’m switching to 21bis.

I buy it but i dont like it.have alot missile can work but problem is always 11.7 br f 14

Idk I'm just bad with dog fighting in the mig 23 ml because it compresses a lot but I'm also just bad.. but I do great in a phantom against the mig 23 so I just play the phantom

Well, i'm watching this footage of you flying at 8k meters, and im just wondering where all the f-14s are in your matches, I fight them every single match lol. Where's all the pheonix missiles being shot at you which require you to ground skim?

I want to grind some russian planes for ground battles, and while I have su25k + su22m3 with a talisman, I'm debating buying mig23, because, while nerfed, there's just no other way to speed things up. About nerfing premuims after the fact - it's a scam from their side imo. Sometimes nerfs are justified, for example when there are some global changes in the game, but not when it's like that... not for 70$

Can lose to a phantom I’m confused. I’ve never had MG 23 beat me.😂

I have beaten a mig 21 in a dogfight with a phantom

I just reccomended my friend to buy it. L

I have over 800 matches in the mig 23 mf so I bought the ML and can say it turns like shit now.

IRL this thing was a bus, and TERRIBLE at dogfighting. I don’t understand why people are so mad, things have been getting buffed and nerfed for as long as this game has been out, but this plane is nerfed and now it’s not ok?

When the fuc is the sales gonna come to playstation

I don't feel bad at all with these changes it, gaijin gave the mig 23 platform an insane ego boost per say when it came to performance because the mig 23 is one of the worst fighter jets they ever created next to the mig 25, MTI was the soviet version of PD and it was extremely inferior, i mained the german MLA and the fact i was able to 3v1 vs F 16s at 12.0 and won, secured 2 kills every match with R24Rs because no one was able to dodge them (not even hugging the ground) and be faster than the JA37, even though the mig 23 is 2 tons heavier, the the Viggen got their acceleration nerfed because back then, they were dunking on MLD players but the mig 23s kept their insane accelerations.

I was in the F14A. Faced a Mig-23ML. He went horizontally, I went vertically. After the first turn he went vertically, and I continued my second vertical course. I took him down when he was coming down and i was vertical.