P. H. G. F. Heck with the MD and CD CPUs working in harmony in addition, it could probably run Virtua Racing!

@@TheMamaluigi300 That is actually a e pretty interesting idea , thought how can they work in harmony , maybe by having an SVP cartridge and Virtua Racing CD? This makes me wonder , what would happen if the Genesis the Mega CD and the 32x were used together properly The speed of the Genesis The scaling and rotation of the Mega CD And the polygonal graphics of the 32x

Калоян Касабов I dunno, I thought the sega CD had access to the genesis processers

@@TheMamaluigi300 they do work in harmony. But this only allows for sprite scaling not 3D graphics. Its still only a 16 bit console. This is where 32x comes into play, with the 32x the Sega CD would only need to be there for data storage and CD sound, the Genesis and 32x could handle the rest. Sprite Scaling on the 32x was faster and better than Sega CD too. But with the Sega CD, Genesis, and 32X combined we could have any 2D ps1 game ported, and possibly a few 3D games as well. It did flat shaded polygons well but got a lil slow in the texture mapping department.

Unexplored = 32X

Feels also very inspired by Sega's System 32 arcade board.

Doggycharly PLZ Haha, nice one. Well, SNES can still provide some great games but it's funny to see how the 2 years released before Mega Drive kicks SNES butt in so many ways ^^ even the 3 years released before PC Engine has some advantages over the SNES.

Doggycharly PLZ SNES is not as bad as you seem to think though. Sure it has many limitations (weak CPU, most of its library run in low resolution (since its hi-res mode is quite useless), limited sprites capabilities...) but it also has stuff which help to compensate this such as its GPU or even its sound chip which can, apparently, be used to provide help for actual game (animation), Compile done this with Super Aleste and the game is impressive. Still I prefer Mega Drive specs, and even more with its CD add-on (and given specs of the planned SNES CD add-on, it wasn't as powerful as the Mega-CD).

Parallax Craze No, i don't think you understand the snes CD specs AT ALL. This is understandable because the intended design was such that the CD drive is literally just a CD drive, and the extra RAM and any coprocessors for CD games would come in a cartridge. Early specs for the cartridge, would have been a superFX 2, but in an effort to make it easier to work with, the final specs (and keep in mind this was in a cartridge which could be replaced independently of the CD unit itself) would have been a 21 mhz NEC V810 CPU, which is a 32 bit RISC Cpu. Used in NEC's PC-FX console, and Nintendo's ill fated virtual boy. (the virtual boy had many faults, but lack of processing power was not one of them). Suffice to say, had it launched at these specs it would have been vastly more powerful than the Sega CD, and more comparable to the Sega CD + 32x combo that is technically possible. If you ignore this aspect of how the snes CD was intended to work, and just look at the CD unit itself, then yes, it looks quite unimpressive. But that is not how it was designed. Like the snes itself, it was designed with the idea that the base hardware could be obsolete fairly quickly, so it was better to rely on external chips in the cartridges.

KuraIthys I said this based on SNES CD specs found on internet. Whatever additional chip in cartridge is something else. And as it is SNES CD doesn't have as many power nor features as Sega CD. Also about these additional chips, SNES hardware is weaker than expected, for example Pilot Wings wasn't supposed to rely on additional chip but due to weaker SNES final specs they had to use a chip to make it feasible. Anyway even with additional chip SNES games still have many limitations, check Star Fox for example, lower resolution than usual SNES low resolution + rather low FPS etc, and SNES CD would had to face similar limitations.

Have you seen MSU1 chip it offers snes full motion video data, CD-quality music playback, without using snes own sound...Considering snes res 256x224 with 114KB per frame...Full motion video would have 23 frames per second using dma snes capability and data decompression etc...which is pretty good for a enhaced cart

Game Sack calm down joe

Game Sack ~ definitely .

Yoshi's Island?

@@rsmith02 Yes, but with an add-on chip in the cart, which any console could technically also do.

@@ChadDidNothingWrong Yes, and the Mega-CD was a physically larger and more expensive add-on chip.

Mega-CD do not scale sprite, it's scale BOBs ( Blitter object), sprite are part of the VDP and can't be handle by Mega-CD ASIC. ASIC can simulate fake sprites, but technically it's not really sprite.

Yeah, it's too bad they abandoned all of their systems after only supporting them for a year or two, Genesis and Master System being the only exceptions.

I always have a problem with people calling things "ahead of their time". Something has to be initially introduced. When it is introduced, it is it's time. If others take longer to introduce something, that means they are late.

If it took Sega developing a CD add on to do scaling effects that were a cheap copy of what was already standard in the arcade's then I wouldn't say that was ahead of it's time, more like playing catch-up 🙄. The SNES did better mode 7 effects straight out of the box which looked better than scaling effects. I was a Sega kid growing up and I like the Megadrive but that Mega CD was an overpriced joke from the start.

@@robertmcmillan3638 If you think Mode 7 was better than what the Sega CD was capable of then you have no fucking idea what you're talking about. SNES could only scale and rotate bitmaps. Sega CD could scale and rotate sprites and bitmaps, and create elevation effects like the waves in the sewer level of Batman Returns. SNES could not do that. Look at Full Throttle: All-American Racing on the SNES. The "3D" floor was completely flat and boring. There were NO WAVES, and it was a jetski game! There was NOTHING special about Mode 7, and the SNES would have been better off with an 8 MHz 68000 CPU instead of Mode 7, like the Genesis had. Its game library wouldn't have been plagued by slowdown and cut features because of its crippled CPU, and any games hat wanted to use Mode 7 could have done it with a chip in the cart that would have got better over time.

@@madhatter8508 I'm not looking at it from a tech point of view, I'm looking and judging it from the reality of the results produced. Best examples of SNES mode 7 effects, kzfaq.info/get/bejne/l75olbtqvsqodY0.html I'm not too interested in what's technically mode 7 and what's technically sprite scaling or rotation effects etc, but the fact that Sega could have released some excellent games to showcase scaling effects like Outrun, Space Harrier or Galaxy Force but didn't and other game developers seemingly not throwing their weight behind the Mega CD speaks volumes. Spending lots of money (both Sega and the Public) to get what the SNES was doing to a similar standard out of the box wasn't a realistic option that was going to pay off. Soul Star looked good though but that's about it. FMV games like Sewer shark and Night trap were fun to look at.....for 5 minutes but in the end people wanted better than what the Mega CD was offering (or certainly for the money that Sega and retailers were asking for the Mega CD anyway).

Agreed, its great hardware and certainly underappreciated, and I love how its real capabilities are now coming to light. However if a little more thought and development time went into it, it could have been even better. If they included the scaling capabilities, while somehow integrating the processing power and color palette increase offered by the 32x, it would have been the ultimate addon, and probably would have still been relevant even after the launch of the PlayStation, despite being less powerful than that juggernaut.

Brandon Michels I can certainly agree with that

I think it was just hated because SOJ cancelled all Sega CD game development in 1992 or 1993, so people had spent $400 on what was effectively a dead system.

@@Nexus9_KD6-4.8 In hindsight, a theoretical addon like that coud've probably been made instead of the Saturn, giving a few more years until the release of a 64-bit console that would compete with the N64.

@@Nexus9_KD6-4.8 think of the Sega CD as what the Genesis would have been if they cut down of development costs

Sorry this is 15years late but yeah I agree I even heard it could boost the Sega Genesis color palette

​@@thetriggeredone3461 no that's the 32x

Game Sack, a show I highly recommend, speculated (very educated guess) that Soul Star uses the scaling capabilities of the Sega CD more than any other game.

Brandon Michels I've seen some gamesack videos but not the Mega CD one. I'll have to have a look.

It does. I love that game. Could've been a "Starfox Killer" if Sega had supported the CD properly. It shows you that the Sega CD could've handled a Panzer Dragoon game, too, with sprites instead of polygons.

@@madhatter8508 I think Thunderblade is pretty impressive too. Not as impressive as soul star though.

Sir you saved me more than a few minutes. This guy chose some great tunes for this video.

+Vampirerockstar Road Rash and Outlander guys

Mega Turrican, Adventures of Batman & Robin, Alien Soldier, Red Zone

Yeah, though you'd need either column/row trickery(columns are apparently limited to 8 pixels wide) or a lot of CPU time for any software algorithms to be done within the context of a game.

That wasn’t true hardware scaling and rotation. Software implementations are either slow, trickery, or have severe limitations. Gunstar Heroes is a perfect example of cool trickery, but you can see what they are really doing.

@@emmettturner9452 Worthy of note: Bloodshot, shown in this video, was not a CD game. It was a Megadrive/Genesis game. Dunno why it was in this vid. A lot of that machine's later games started using "proper" scaling/rotation once devs figured out how to fudge it into existence. Gunstar had some actual scaling and rotation, even if a lot of it was just cleverly-animated sprites. And then many years later, Titan go and release the Overdrive 2 demoscene product, which is like one long checklist of "this should not be possible".

SEGA Had been promising for years to bring the pure arcade experience home. No one really thought that they could do that with 256-512KB game cartridges, but now we'd paid 300 bucks for the memory and superscaler hardware, and we'd been jipped.

Ikr its too bad it failed miserable because of those shitty ass full motion videos in games

pc engine does xD

Sorry this is 10years later but I agree

Sonic cd does

@@thetriggeredone3461 Yes, but I'm talking about other games.

Baffles me as well. Thunderblade, Galaxy Force 2, Outrunners, Line of Fire, Power Drift, could have all been ported to the Mega CD. IMHO the Wondermega should have been the f revision of the Megadrive rather than the add-on route.

Yes , its sad....

Pelacanyes but dem cut scenes doh

Just use a risc CPU like the sh1 and let the svp act as a coprocessor.

Your wrong, music on games that you quote is redbook audio and never use audio hardware of Mega-CD. It's just simple audio track that can be readable by any CD player. Not incredible, not amazing. However, Sonic CD "past" track, BGM from Popfull Mail or Silpheed use Mega-CD hardware flawlessly and this is amazing !

I would definately say that final fight cd used Redbook audio and the sega cd soundchip​@@sagrat6235

Along with the SVP chip.

Sony would receive all the licensing fee on every SNES CD game made while Nintendo gets nothing, which is why Nintendo backed out of the Sony CD add-on..

Tempora158 then why they went with Phillips? They should of gone alone.

Cubamus Prime Because Nintendo negotiated a deal with Philips where Nintendo collected licensing fees on the CD games and Philips provided the hardware (since Sony and Philips own the CD format).

***** Yeah I saw it very sad. So basically the Sega CD hardware would of blown away the SNES CD

John DiLoreto That's misleading. The design is built to have extra hardware in a cartridge included with the unit. NOT in the CD drive itself. Look at old articles and you see it was going to launch with a SuperFX 2 as standard for CD games, though slightly later articles said because the SuperFX was strange and hard for developers to understand, they changed the plans to use an NEC V810. (32 bit cpu used in the NEC PC-FX console and the Nintendo Virtual boy). In other words, the final intended specs gave the unit as it would have been sold a 32 bit processor making it similar to the 32x in power. Take the hardware teardown Ben Heckendorf did with a grain of salt, since the extra CPU was never intended to be inside the CD unit, and the pack-in cartridge design undoubtedly changed repeatedly as they were prototyping the system.

Sega genesis processor has 32bits internal register and because sega genesis is 16bits set it has to double its speed (cycles)to get the right performance (one cycle to 16bits and other to null value) it means sega genesis processor speed is iqual to 3,5mhz same as snes...what makes it very impressive over snes one is the fact genesis one has 16 register for mult purpose and snes only 4...it obliges snes uses its ram which demand more cycles and it get behind sega genesis

is the supernes the console who have to drop the cpu to 1.79 mhz and runs at 2.6 mghz most of the time. The 3.58 mhz cant be used all the time The 68000 is a full 32 bit cpu from programers view. and a 16 bit cpu from an hardware view. the ALU works internally as 16 bit procesing first 16bit and then 16 bit 16+16 =32.All this is transparent from programers view who can make use of 32 bit instructions. Now do that in the supernes Not null cicles at all. It is a 7 mhz cpu. And 32 bit register are an advantage you are procesing twice the bits. If the 68000 is so bad why was used for many arcades, computers(Apple Mac,Amiga), consoles(neogeo) maybe they should put a cheap snes procesor instead.

JAGUARCD32X no. The Ricoh 5A22 aka the 65c816 is a 16 bit processor and more powerful than anyone gives it credit for. But you have to know how to write proper code for it! Treat it like an x86 or 68000 CPU and it'll chug along running terribly. Why? Because you're using it wrong! And trying to force it to do things in ways it's not designed to do things efficiently.