Seiko Magic Lever, A Genius Mechanism

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Mechanistic

Жыл бұрын

#3dprinting #cool #mechanical
The Seiko's "Magic Lever" is probably the most elegant, simple, and brilliant two to one way mechanism. It has only three core components, input gear, magic lever, and output gear, to achieve a "mechanical rectification".
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This mechanism is commonly used in watches to convert a two way rotary motion from the half disc rotor, to a single direction output for mainspring winding.
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@Kevin-jb2pv
@Kevin-jb2pv Жыл бұрын
The Seiko is certainly impressive in its simplicity, but I can't help but feel that it still looks a lot more fragile than the other mechanism you showed.
@ripjoji2498
@ripjoji2498 Жыл бұрын
its a not a g shock why do you need that durability
@stevenclark2188
@stevenclark2188 Жыл бұрын
Spring steel in thin strips is pretty commonly made for use in street sweepers so the metal versions can probably be pretty durable thanks to elasticity.
@poloska9471
@poloska9471 Жыл бұрын
The other thing I believe they do is they use little crystals on the tips to lessen wear on the pin thingy
@TaylorTheOtter
@TaylorTheOtter Жыл бұрын
I would imagine that having less components that can break might make up for that added fragility.
@lordjaashin
@lordjaashin Жыл бұрын
its good that engineers don't base their design on "feels"
@WvlfDarkfire
@WvlfDarkfire Жыл бұрын
Fun fact. These were commonly used in mechanical bombs to accelerate the timer if there was any tampering
@anniioakley9765
@anniioakley9765 Жыл бұрын
Oh my gosh! So on Tv when the hero makes a mistake and the ticking starts going faster…it was this mechanism? It’s famous! 😄 (that really is cool tho)
@Wtfinc
@Wtfinc Жыл бұрын
@@anniioakley9765 thats just movies. Idk if this was invented then but guessing by the name its patented by saiko watch company who may have made bomb mechanisms but this one today would be used to self wind a watch. Spring drum would be connected to output and a weight to the input. As far as bombs and ticking faster goes, no, what this would do, there would be two on each axis with a weight. As the bomb was moved around the weights would move, turning the gear until it met a set tolerance for tampering. It solves the problem that a tampering device goes off instantly from one little accidental bump. An early bomb misses its target. You likley wont hear a bomb tick from that era. If you could, the only reason you would want a bomb to tick fast is because the designer had a heart somwhere because honestly, if a tamper device trips, there is no fast ticking, it’s straight to BOOM. Its also cheaper
@arthurneddysmith
@arthurneddysmith Жыл бұрын
@@Wtfinc +Annie Oakley was joking about the TV and heroes.
@Wtfinc
@Wtfinc Жыл бұрын
@@arthurneddysmith oh, LMAO i see it now. Her comment got me thinking none the less. It's just as much for me as it is for others that I take the time to explain things. It helps solidify or flesh out ideas and also teaches me to teach n all that good stuff.
@oo0OAO0oo
@oo0OAO0oo Жыл бұрын
Uff not so fun actually.
@darkener3210
@darkener3210 Жыл бұрын
This man just converted AC to DC with gears
@markjustmark7599
@markjustmark7599 Жыл бұрын
Not even a pulsating DC, it's already filtered and regulated with only one component
@skandragon586
@skandragon586 Жыл бұрын
The first mechanism has constant output while the simpler one's output will vary depending on the position of the offset piece
@pjaxy
@pjaxy Жыл бұрын
Which doesn't matter if all you're doing is winding a spring in a watch.
@aurus7245
@aurus7245 Жыл бұрын
​@@pjaxy still goes to show how conversations about whether a mechanism is better than another is frequently specific to the use case you want
@AlexanderNash
@AlexanderNash Жыл бұрын
​@@aurus7245 frequently? Not 'always without fail'? I'm pretty sure that absolute "betterness" doesn't exist.
@aurus7245
@aurus7245 Жыл бұрын
@@AlexanderNash eh, i just tend to avoid making absolute statements lol
@b5a5m5
@b5a5m5 Жыл бұрын
Yep. Given a constant input rpm, there will be an sine wave modulated into the output gear's rpm.
@haelscheirs_haven
@haelscheirs_haven Жыл бұрын
As a typewriter collector, I was surprised to find a mechanism already so pervasive in the implementation of ribbon advance mechanisms so elegantly employed in this application.
@EternalAmmonite
@EternalAmmonite Жыл бұрын
That sounds super interesting! Why does a dual direction input, single direction output have to be used in a ribbon advance?
@haelscheirs_haven
@haelscheirs_haven Жыл бұрын
@@EternalAmmonite I realize now that typewriter ribbon advances only move the ribbon while the pawls or pawl is moving in one direction, the second pawl serving to immobilize the ratchet while the driving pawl resets. The main similarity is the use of an oscillating pawl on a ratchet with a complementary pawl to prevent backward rotation (or in this case, deliver another rotational impulse). But the typewriter design could have just as easily made the stop pawl move as well, moving the ribbon on both halves of the cycle. But at the same time, you don't always want the ribbon to move so fast, and you don't want to risk a timing case where the ribbon is trying to be pulled while the type slug is still in contact with it.
@steelshepherd6843
@steelshepherd6843 Жыл бұрын
There is a key difference. One relies on pliability but also places compression and tension on the flexible piece. Simple and great for low cost, low demand, low load, and low longevity applications where the part failure doesn't cause other part damage and is just replaced before or after.
@lukas-po8yn
@lukas-po8yn Жыл бұрын
Just got a seiko watch for Christmas, super cool to see how it works!
@notyou6674
@notyou6674 Жыл бұрын
do you think you could make a gear changing mechanism like a car that changes gear ratios with a servo or button or something, maybe something that could be wound up and released as a little car? that would be cool i think
@mechanistic3d
@mechanistic3d Жыл бұрын
That sounds like a cool idea, thanks and I’ll add it to the list!
@paradiselost9946
@paradiselost9946 Жыл бұрын
@@mechanistic3d seems easiest to copy the centrifugal shift in an RC car...
@patrickryanagapito502
@patrickryanagapito502 9 ай бұрын
​@@mechanistic3d Hi, can you add the smiths chronometric tachometer later on?
@Risto_Podvoznjak
@Risto_Podvoznjak Жыл бұрын
First one is common in ETA. Me personal Seiko winding is simple and do his work in watches over 40 years. Both of them have to be maintanced regulary.
@Perktube1
@Perktube1 Жыл бұрын
Good for winding a spring while having little freedom of movement. Love that music.
@welchianachi7707
@welchianachi7707 Жыл бұрын
Seiko magic fingers are extremely efficient and durable, but they need proper alignment eccentric part with the rotor for either left or right hand wearing. Of course some time every part could fail, but I never even saw replacement part for Seiko mechanism but plenty reverse wheels for ETA solution and alike. It is a good practice to check which parts of any mechanism are available in online shops.
@SQueme
@SQueme 11 ай бұрын
Albert Pellaton system, but simplified in just "one piece" ... great engineering 🙂
@Pain_train_wielder
@Pain_train_wielder 10 ай бұрын
So THAT’S how pushing a trap lever the other way in a movie makes the trap that is rushing towards the main tied up main hero!
@MaNNeRz91
@MaNNeRz91 Жыл бұрын
Just had a great idea for a wratchet. Imagine it tightens the bolt on the backwards stroke as well as the forward stroke 😄😄
@NickCheng93
@NickCheng93 Жыл бұрын
These exist! More often on screwdrivers though. Look up bidirectional screwdrivers. It's really helpful for small screws so you don't need to find the groove again after every turn
@MaNNeRz91
@MaNNeRz91 Жыл бұрын
@@NickCheng93 you mean a ratcheting screwdriver? That only ratchets the direction opposite to tightening. I'm talking about one that tightens by turn it both ways. So it would tighten on the backward stroke if that makes sense.. The one you're talking about stops while it ratchets backwards. Then turns when it locks. Then ratchets backwards then locks. My style would be ratchet forward tightens ratchet backwards tightens and so on and so on
@NickCheng93
@NickCheng93 Жыл бұрын
@@MaNNeRz91 yes I think we're talking about the same thing. I have a small screw driver where if I turn CW or CCW the screw head always turns CW to tighten using some kind of reverser inside to translate the CCW to CW. Then you flip a switch and you can spin both CW and CCW to un-screw too. I haven't seen it on any bigger ratchets though
@jaydeep-p
@jaydeep-p Жыл бұрын
Super satisfying
@jitone1
@jitone1 Жыл бұрын
Yes I want more videos on how to print things more efficiently thank you.
@MyHouseOnTheMoon
@MyHouseOnTheMoon Жыл бұрын
I bought a Kobalt ratcheting screwdriver that has a 6x sieko gear! Each revolution of the handle gives 6 rotations of the bit! Super cool tech!
@johndoe528
@johndoe528 Жыл бұрын
I like that even the e-clip is 3D printed
@softpaw6234
@softpaw6234 Жыл бұрын
Nice use of a compliant mechanism
@thundercockjackson
@thundercockjackson Жыл бұрын
the 3d printed c clips or whatever theyre called got me good
@BitSmythe
@BitSmythe Жыл бұрын
They’re called “Jesus clips.” What do you say when removing one and it disappears across the room into the carpet?
@Loneman_OG
@Loneman_OG Жыл бұрын
@@BitSmythe _"Oh, FFS!"_ clips? Well, I know I do! 😆
@TayyarePilotuOfficial
@TayyarePilotuOfficial Жыл бұрын
Once time an engineer said that: Making complicated things are easy for engineers, but make a working simply gadget only comes from genius
@niallmartin4098
@niallmartin4098 Жыл бұрын
It looks like the Seiko HAS to have its input alternated, you can't continuously input in one direction. You don't have this drawback on the other mechanism.
@aozf05
@aozf05 Жыл бұрын
No, it doesn't need to be alternated. If you rotate in a single direction, the lever pushes the output wheel during half the input rotation and then pulls during the other half. It does this when rotating in either direction so inputting continuously in either direction will always be outputting. The real weakness of the magic lever is that the output varies depending where on the input wheel the lever is, but this is mitigated a bit on watches because they install it so that the lever is providing the most output when the watch's 3 o' clock position is pointed toward the ground, as it would be if you're walking around with the watch on your left hand.
@tesmat1243
@tesmat1243 Ай бұрын
Yes it can be continuous the magic lever isn't centered so after 180° of pushing there are 180° of pulling
@ashwinmandan5
@ashwinmandan5 Жыл бұрын
There was also a slight delay in power for the previous design Good job
@gfr2023
@gfr2023 Жыл бұрын
I dont know who invent this but i saw this mechanism in some '800 textile machinery too.
@iamhewhospeaks
@iamhewhospeaks Жыл бұрын
Imagine the wear and tear on that thing in a functional device. you must have to replace them all the time.
@toddbod94
@toddbod94 Жыл бұрын
Seiko wouldn’t use it in watches if they were having to replace them all the time.
@LINKfromTHElegendOFz
@LINKfromTHElegendOFz Жыл бұрын
Stress test would be a good showcase to both
@innocentenemy3967
@innocentenemy3967 Жыл бұрын
True magic Single Output direction ⬆️👌
@DelulianDelusio
@DelulianDelusio Жыл бұрын
Alright, my man. My mind blow up.
@MrKkkikki
@MrKkkikki 2 ай бұрын
Amazing
@MAHERxMAHER
@MAHERxMAHER 2 ай бұрын
Brother, give me an example of creativity me: Just watch 😂❤
@MrSavindrasingh
@MrSavindrasingh Жыл бұрын
That’s awesome 👏🏻
@adriansue8955
@adriansue8955 Жыл бұрын
simpler, but the Seiko has Non-Constant Velocity in the gearing ratio. which would make it unacceptable for some applications
@mardennyp
@mardennyp Жыл бұрын
Cool 👍
@markojuros6533
@markojuros6533 Жыл бұрын
Amazing.
@dylantosta4218
@dylantosta4218 8 ай бұрын
This is genius...
@misterdandandandan5683
@misterdandandandan5683 Жыл бұрын
very cool 👏👏👏
@G2N3A
@G2N3A Жыл бұрын
still looking for that stl file
@cracchead
@cracchead Жыл бұрын
That clicks is oh yeah beauty of a silent clock 😂😂🤣
@jimparsons6803
@jimparsons6803 Жыл бұрын
I had not known of this particular widget until now. Thanks. Might find use in wind power?
@krishnaneteti3093
@krishnaneteti3093 Жыл бұрын
Super sir
@pierremigeot6093
@pierremigeot6093 Жыл бұрын
clever !
@RaviKiran-kd8uy
@RaviKiran-kd8uy Жыл бұрын
If you have tried tourbillon pendulum wall clock 3d printed, can you share stl files of it ?
@mechanistic3d
@mechanistic3d Жыл бұрын
Not yet, but I plan to. I’m hoping to create a pendulum clock that can run for at least 48 hours to make it properly functional. Sure, I’ll share the files once I have the design ready.
@RaviKiran-kd8uy
@RaviKiran-kd8uy Жыл бұрын
@@mechanistic3d Thank you !
@ichemnutcracker
@ichemnutcracker Жыл бұрын
The best inventions are the ones that make you smack your forehead and say "Why didn't *I* think of that!"
@fortun8diamond
@fortun8diamond Жыл бұрын
Mechanical full bridge rectifier
@FerroMancer
@FerroMancer Жыл бұрын
Doesn't the "improved" design RELY on dual-directions to keep working? If you keep spinning it just one way, it's going to fail. The first one can deal with sustained motion in either direction. I think the original is the better design, since it's more universal.
@andrewkarsten5268
@andrewkarsten5268 Жыл бұрын
I think the previous design is better, but not for that reason. If the input wheel of the second design keeps spinning in one direction, the arm mechanism will go up and down in an oscillatory motion, so it will keep winding the other wheel. I still like the first design better, however, as the second design seems more fragile
@MichaelChin1994
@MichaelChin1994 6 ай бұрын
No. At the very end, you can see it go past 180 and switch arms in one rotation
@Vilikiyvinil
@Vilikiyvinil 4 ай бұрын
Очень познавательный канал
@gertjevanpoppel7270
@gertjevanpoppel7270 Жыл бұрын
Can you make the files available with dimensions in a pdf file maybe ?… I like to build some of these mechanics and i have only manual lathe and mill. And I don’t know how to open other files and also I don’t have a computer with a program to open the files as you share them now . Or is there a way to open them on my iPhone ?. Thanks and pls keep making this great content 👍
@tricksyhobbitses1695
@tricksyhobbitses1695 Жыл бұрын
Dope
@locke_ytb
@locke_ytb Жыл бұрын
cool
@Juice-pk5mk
@Juice-pk5mk Жыл бұрын
Интереснее как первый устроен, выглядит слажаней
@NickCheng93
@NickCheng93 Жыл бұрын
In the traditional ratchet wheel type, what happens when you spin the output wheel, does the input wheel spin? I'm wondering why handwinding a watch doesn't spin the rotor
@samfibehelld9770
@samfibehelld9770 Жыл бұрын
waiting for more vids
@melangesvolatils6506
@melangesvolatils6506 Жыл бұрын
the futur is here
@savioluis1385
@savioluis1385 2 ай бұрын
That's actually the seiko SCIENCE lever.
@kennethcollines
@kennethcollines Жыл бұрын
SEIKOって日本の時計メーカーの!!
@TheKamiBunny
@TheKamiBunny Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure the compliance and elasticity of the jaw component is important and comes at some cost to its durability.
@thescraptheblade
@thescraptheblade Жыл бұрын
Try combining both of those into a new mechanism
@2nd-place
@2nd-place Жыл бұрын
I’m getting a 3D printer for Christmas. How long does one of these take to print in all the different colors?
@TheRealStructurer
@TheRealStructurer Жыл бұрын
Which one is more efficient?
@mechanistic3d
@mechanistic3d Жыл бұрын
I'm not entirely sure, but in terms of energy transfer efficiency, I believe the magic lever is slightly less efficient due to the lower torque limit each thin arm can transfer to the winding mechanism. On the other hand, the conventional design has the flexibility to use larger ratchet wheels to increase the torque transfer limit and lower output to input ratio.
@BR-jw7pm
@BR-jw7pm Жыл бұрын
Sorcery! Sorcery I say! Just kidding! Great work!
@gameobject5487
@gameobject5487 Жыл бұрын
One way screwdriver when 👀
@wildman8644
@wildman8644 Жыл бұрын
Can you make clock work movements that will keep time
@CrystalClearWith8BE
@CrystalClearWith8BE 6 ай бұрын
See why the teeth of the gear are diagonal in one direction? With that, it makes the gear turn in one direction.
@Raskolnikov3333
@Raskolnikov3333 10 күн бұрын
Yes, maybe true but all people who love, mechanical watch because the movement love more complexity
@Friendly_Neighborhood_Dozer
@Friendly_Neighborhood_Dozer Жыл бұрын
the gear system looks like it can turn indefinitely, while the magic lever can’t
@toastthemost2473
@toastthemost2473 Жыл бұрын
I dont see any reason the magic lever couldnt turn indefinitely.
@anirudhnavin4568
@anirudhnavin4568 Жыл бұрын
@@toastthemost2473 each rotation of the magic level it will slow down for half a rotation because it isn't a linear transfer and will speed up for the second half , it'll cause a sin curve of rotation in the output. You can see this is the case clearly as he's rotating the inputs differently in the video
@paulmarshall4793
@paulmarshall4793 3 ай бұрын
If using a motor to climb verticle runs of a ladder, eill this allow the motor to be out of torque between steps?
@UzunKamis
@UzunKamis Жыл бұрын
How can we make a direction alternating mechanism? Input turns clockwise (or anti-clockwise) but the output is one complete turn to clockwise and one complete turn to anti-clockwise. (Or this can be 2-2 instead of 1-1).
@ferminenriquezamorapineda2832
@ferminenriquezamorapineda2832 Жыл бұрын
What are that kind of "cut rings" that are placed un the shafts of the gears?
@kedarkumare848
@kedarkumare848 Жыл бұрын
Where does get such types of lever instruments. Any idea,please!
@NetoriusNapster
@NetoriusNapster Жыл бұрын
Only issue with the second one is it’s limited in how much it can turn before having to go the other way
@borstenpinsel
@borstenpinsel Жыл бұрын
The other thing looks smoother. The lever turns back a notch when input direction is changed
@educarmar
@educarmar 8 ай бұрын
Seiko magic-lever is just a "manufacturing" improvement over the same winding system used by the German maker Otero watch since the 50s. If you compare the two systems, all the functions and how the system operates are in the Otero system. What seiko did was just simplify manufacturing by merging the two pawls and the 2 springs into a single component.
@hamadeecom
@hamadeecom Жыл бұрын
wow
@wrOngplan3t
@wrOngplan3t Жыл бұрын
A mechanical diode!
@a_cubers_hub
@a_cubers_hub Жыл бұрын
Make a big 3d printed Rolex Watch.
@wilkas16
@wilkas16 Жыл бұрын
what size screws did you use for this model?
@MrSajidmumtazraza
@MrSajidmumtazraza Жыл бұрын
plz work on Flying mechanical objects... like ornithopter...
@ge2719
@ge2719 Жыл бұрын
is the translation of movement the same though? this seems like the motion changes completely and has periods where movement results in no movement at all.
@ThevenimX
@ThevenimX Жыл бұрын
Does the little piece between the gears count as a compliant device?
@hayawater
@hayawater Жыл бұрын
What software do you use to design these stuff?
@mechanistic3d
@mechanistic3d Жыл бұрын
I use unigraphics NX, but you can also use any cad software such as solidworks or fusion 360
@anapaulaborba126
@anapaulaborba126 Жыл бұрын
Anybody knows a good place to study such mechanisms?
@jeremymartin8674
@jeremymartin8674 Жыл бұрын
What kind of printer/nozzle do you use to print these?
@phantomking1721
@phantomking1721 Жыл бұрын
Interesting hmmm
@ok5988
@ok5988 Жыл бұрын
Is that jodio Joestar
@Sharlequint
@Sharlequint Жыл бұрын
Wich description tho
@AdobadoFantastico
@AdobadoFantastico Жыл бұрын
This is neat, but isn't the input super limited in rom? If you turn the gear too far in one direction it'll lose contact.
@michaelmessamore6434
@michaelmessamore6434 Жыл бұрын
Second part of a automatic movement 🕥
@jens_maier
@jens_maier Жыл бұрын
Video says "STIl Files available in Descrition". But where are they?
@salvatorecorleone1008
@salvatorecorleone1008 Жыл бұрын
Great but I see this being useful a grand total of zero times.
@Unmannedair
@Unmannedair Жыл бұрын
Massive flaw in that mechanism though is that the motion is not continuous. Only One direction is able to be transmitted therefore you only get 50% motion transmission. Can only transmit x motion in cam not y motion
@chalox5744
@chalox5744 Жыл бұрын
What is the function?
@dreamgaming589
@dreamgaming589 Жыл бұрын
Hi bro i new
@coder0xff
@coder0xff Жыл бұрын
These aren't equivalent mechanisms. The output speed and torque varies.
@Astro-jh6ww
@Astro-jh6ww 8 ай бұрын
Hi do u have the files of the parts
@nyetloki
@nyetloki Жыл бұрын
Significant points of failure
@abcefgijkmnoqrsuvwyzdhlptx2885
@abcefgijkmnoqrsuvwyzdhlptx2885 Жыл бұрын
This seems like it would wear out the gear or the grabber very quickly, it is just skipping, no?
@LeftistUprising
@LeftistUprising 3 ай бұрын
Did seiko invent this?
@Slavasil
@Slavasil Жыл бұрын
full bridge rectifiers
@Loneman_OG
@Loneman_OG Жыл бұрын
ElectroBOOM, is that you? 😆
@KalijahAnderson
@KalijahAnderson Жыл бұрын
The first one is actually better. Not nearly as much slop in mechanism.
@prohet-econo
@prohet-econo Жыл бұрын
When they MEAN full auto
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