The Block 70 has better RAM, radar, and sensors.

They don’t want the newest block f-16s under the s400s radars that Turkey has. This would give Russia data to further familiarize itself with our newer variants. Edit: but that’s under the assumption that someone’s could get the data from turkey to Russia but seeing as they chose s400 over f-35 it’s not much of a long shot theory tbh.

@@Yakob135 are they still on good terms with Russia / does Russia have data transmission on their exported systems to spy(or as a killswitch)

@@A_barrel I would not be surprised if Russia has encoded data transmission or a kill switch on these things for a few reasons. As time passes though it does some fairly obvious why they purchased the S-400s. Two things kind of give it away. 1. They didn't buy enough of them to really meet their air defense needs. 2. They don't seem to be too interested in using it, I'm not sure they've ever had it active. Looks like they purchased them to gain knowledge of the tech as they've been building their own air defense systems. It also isn't a coincidence that after buying the S-400 the made pretty quick strides in longer and longer range indigenous systems. They bought it, examined it and used that knowledge to start building their own. So if this was their ultimate goal, perhaps they didn't feel the need to be as careful with data transmission or with kill switches.

​@@Yakob135But isn't it ridiculous that while the Greeks can buy the F35 even though they have the S300, Turkey can't buy both the F35 and the F16?

You are totally WRONG. Turkiye Purchased the S-400 because the US REFUSED to sell the Patriot to Turkiye!!!!. Do you blame them!!??. I Dont.

@@ebnhahn1993 I don't know what you thought, but are you both talking about the same thing?

Other way around, with friends liek Turkey and Hungary, who needs enemies?

Anyone who loves freedom my man!

@@neurofiedyamato8763 Democracy is messy. The Hungary guy is like their version of Trump. We would all be better of without either but it doesn't always work out. Turkey gets a pass for having really good coffee.

That's why they approved it now and it won't be as good as the modified Israel's f16. Clearly turkey didn't need it anymore but they will accept as goodwill g😊

Türkiye... well if they insist in having their country name in their own language internationally, shall we insist to call Germany Deutschland, Poland Polska, Russia "Poccnr", Japan Nippon etc as well? ^^

@@CakePrincessCelestiaDo you still insist on saying Kiev rather than Kyiv too?

@@chrisl461 Well it's called Kyjiw where I live...

​@@chrisl461I still write Kiev. And no, I don't support Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

​@@CakePrincessCelestiawhat the hell is Poccnr?

It is changed because, Turkey has a real army unlike most of NATO countries, Europe is already out of munitions. Their armies so small that Russia can destroy europian armies altogether... So They decided to warm some relations until Ukranian conflict end... But as long as US continue to arm and protect PKK in Iraq and Syria, sooner or later bad things will happen between Turkey and US...

IOC was 1980, not 1973.

US bullying other states again

Um where did you get that info because India is not a member of the F-35 program nor has the F-35 ever been offered to them for sale

@@Knightfang1 Germany and Greece examples tells me that the buyer doesn’t have to be a member of the program. F-35 has not been formally offered to India, that’s true, but showcasing it in India was interpreted as a signal

There is a large lobby of Armenians and Greeks here in the USA that are influencing the sale of the F35. Also, Israeli lobby is also obstructing because of Türkiye's stance about the abuses of the Palestinian people.

India don't invade other countrys this same Greece well Turky is flerting with both side's even building Nuclear Reactor and Erdogan say it will make Nuclear weapons with Rus help + have invade Syria and north Iraq ofc for Defence purpose killing Kurds but Oil from Isis have gone through Turky right what else you need 28 new bases in Africa , Help Azerbejan to attack Armenia twice last time was Confirmed Turky F-16 was used to shot down Armenian Su-25 , Threating Nato members with war do 10000+ Air space breaches in Greece Air space in 1 year not to mention Whining Greece is thread for them with population of 10 mill and they have 86+ is a Monty Python comedy , Turky is not Democratic state is Nationalistic Dictatorship with Expansionist Dreams wonder why more that half of Middle east hate them and get support from Pakistan and Indonesian ppl for being Muslims in Talks- going back for S-300 that have Greece they don't buy them they get them from Cyprus + Turky was bit.... about them and they are in Crete and every one know it + Turky is nation that occupy EU countries land with will not give back and make puppet nation that no one except them recognize not to mention Transver Turkysh population there to inflate data you need more Nation that have build 7 bases near Cyprus and still build others there clearly for BS purpose to get AOZ that is Joke whatever Country is near Turky have problems with them wonder why Erdogan bad mouthing other Leaders and EU and Nato then go beg for stuff. Turky is not Ally it's proven countless times Nato invade Lybia - Turky appear later trying to put puppet gov they still don't know who Bomb the Turk Airfield Base in Lybia North Iraq - US out , Turky invade North Iraq wonder why ofc Oil there and Kurds trying make nation closing oil pipeline so they starve too Syria Civil War - Isis got kick from Rus-Kurds and US - Turky invade Syria for Defence purpose killing Kurds now messing with US there wait El-Bab how many leopards they lost there yes was the coup Batalion from Insabul ofc Hamas are Freedom fighters ofc like ISIS and Muslim mercenarys beheading ppl on the streets No wonder is this fine democracy they try to Coup the nation some many times S-400 was bought to defend Erdogan no one else last time almost got shout down from Turkish F-16 from Coup pilots + for the US ppl you should check what they saying in Turky about US and the Base that they have there with 52 atomic bombs quote " if something happens we will conviscate the bombs from US base and use them our selfs " Nato ally me ass. Geopolitic place of Turky is the BS that every one jumping nothing more no Ally no Frends just threats extrorsion and bithing that every one is thread to them total BS and I can't Belive Turkysh ppl belive this BS seriously Endocrinated to hate others without reason. Learned from Germans 300 years ago making all Minoritys and Countrys around them the Problem for Turky. Turky pick the side of Turky no one else they know it every where Middle east Balkans ,Caucasous and so on who is fulling them self are ppl that not live near them.

Let's be honest, it had nothing to do with S400s. It's to do with Turkey being of Islamic culture.

Not "near" but inside China (PRC) EEZ ! China isn't turning it's radar to lock-in U$ warplanes .

Sorry, but has Lockheed Martin displayed the F-35 anywhere in the world? If so, then there is nothing stopping someone walking by with a scanner. And have a perfect 3-D model of it within a weeks time. You run that through tests, and a "MODEL" of it's RCS signature can be uploaded to the internet. you only need to adjust the intensity for materials, but the PROFILE will be perfect. (That only influences detection RANGE, not the Identification.) So yeah, much hype about nothing really. But ofc sends a message of "superiority" to the US-people. (Which ARE the ones, that need to be fooled, since development costs are paid by them).

@@Gunni1972The RCS is not just dependand on the shape... but also the materials and combination of both and materials.. its quite complex

​@@Gunni1972 I guess you don't know much about how the militaries of the world work or bother reading technical articles. China parks ships with sensors and intelligence gathering capabilities right next to Australia in international waters when they have war games using the F35 and the US does the same. This is so that in combat they can identify enemy aircraft at ranges. The equipment needed to scan an airplane aren't handhelds because of the energy required. Sure you can fire a laser to get the dimensions of the aircraft but that is complete different to a running airplane which is what is needed to detect NCTR parameters.

May have to do with Turkey not acting like an allied nation. Aggression towards Cyprus, blackmailing the EU by deliberately sending massive streams of refugees, blackmailing a number of nations by not allowing Finland and Sweden to join and in general being Putins best errrandboys whenever he needs a reacharound. If a conflict with Russia were to start, we have no idea if Turkey will honour article 5 or if they will play their own game counter to the interest of NATO.

Why would how long a country has been in an organization have to do with questioning how loyal they feel to said organization today? I wont' get into their motives for doing so, if they're right or wrong. But certainly it seems like they have a bone to pick with Nato aka with us.

Is the USA loyal to its 70 years ally by supporting the YPG-PKK terrorists next to our southern border? Open your eyes bro!

YoU fOrGoT tHe AcCeNt DoTs!

@@A_barrel And/or the English name of the country

Im Turkish, and I agree that the decision of changing the official pronounciation to "Türkiye" was stupid. It's already got a name in other languages why need the change? I guess the reason was in the UN meetings the "Turkey" joke (in case if you don't know, even in the political sphere the Turkey=Bird=country joke has been running for years) just got one of the Turkish representatives angry and they proposed to Erdoğan to change the name and they accepted it and tried to use it as an internal politics thing lol

I remember reading that somewhere as well.

Wish he would be the VP pick.

@@MuffDiver71 he can take a hike.

@@juanf5391 Go cry about it. He's one of the best Senators we have ever had.

​@@MuffDiver71 he's too good of a man to stoop down to Donald Trump's level, now if he ran himself that would be a different story

@@epapa737 Being VP will set him up for a good presidential run.

Quick update after a little poking around: apparently the S300s were moved to Crete first, which is not necessarily any better than Cyprus, before being transferred to mainland Greece, essentially escalating the situation in the Aegean further before de-escalation in the late 2010s when they were essentially "decommissioned" to the mainland. The real catch-22 is that they were promised to Ukraine when the war broke out, and this was promptly blocked by Russia as it goes against the original sales agreement (which was signed with Cyprus, not Greece) which while technically is not binding to Greece, is convincing enough for them to have withheld that arms transfer to this day.

The Falklands war proved, it's a bad idea to have your Frontline units tied to foreign venders; even if they'rekey allies. Turkiye has a Real problem with Greece; a similar problem the Palestinians have with the Israelis, only reversed circumstances. Turkiye needs their own reliable defense industry. In the event of calamity with Greece, the Turkish defense industry needs to be in a defense position where foreign special interest venders are out in the cold, instead of holding the testicles of their fighter aircraft.

​@@Mthammere2010 In short, yes I agree because while compliance with allies is important, Turkey has fallen behind on domestic defense by relying too heavily on (friendly) foreign equipment rather than developing their own which they can later sell to allies. This has changed in recent years with investments in Roketsan for missile defense and domestic AA armaments and the fully domestic rights of their Agusta-based helicopter with a domestic engine. They also have a domestic tank, although somewhat conversely a significant portion of the manufacturing capacity for tanks has been sold to Qatar. A domestic multirole aircraft would round out the Turkish defense industry quite well as long as they don't step on too many toes along the way. I completely agree, with a certain caveat: this is true for the majority of Western powers with the sense and sensibility to play nice even when they don't really want to. That fundamental understanding is how collaborations such as the Eurofighter achieve success. Historically, Greece has been naughty towards not just Turkey but to so many of their "allies" within many contexts (social, political, financial, military...), which even resulted in De Gaulle removing Greece from the military branch of NATO after they installed the junta leadership in Cyprus that led to the 1974 military intervention by Turkey. Despite having every right to, Turkey did not veto the re-accession of Greece when they had the chance (possibly as some sort of good faith gesture, I don't really know). Greece, however, seems to refuse to understand the concept of international waters and territorial waters, again historically pissing off the Turks, Albanians, Italians and more recently the Libyans and Egyptians regarding the southeastern Mediterranean. As far as European relations go, Greece is still under a big "IOU" from their economic bailout and can't really sustain a national defense industry. Add the whole Syrian refugee deal between Europe and Turkey, and Greece really isn't in much of a position to bargain or intimidate. On the other side of the spectrum, Turkey has a long history of western alliance ever since the establishment of the Republic following the Ottoman Empire, mainly following the vision of their founding father Ataturk insofar as creating a secular, democratic republic with western ideals and morality from a majority Muslim populace (which was admittedly sometimes achieved "by force for the greater good"). Again, throughout the history of the Turkish Republic, the domestic rise of non-secular motives have usually been suppressed by unfortunate military coups. Having the largest standing military in the region helps, of course, but it seems Turkey has learned the lesson you are implying the hard way: despite all their efforts they have never been considered "equals" or "parity allies" with the west despite their best efforts and have largely been excluded from Europe or any aid towards "Europeanization" that many of the eastern European countries benefit from. This, in turn, has led to the rise of the current regime which benefits from a religious populist approach rather than a nationalist or pragmatic median approach. The "strongman" nature of the regime seems to have eroded the fundamental pillars on which the Republic was founded, and the "strongman" mentality is a distinctly eastern policy more akin to that we see in North Africa, Arabia, and western and northern Asia compared to, say, similar bodies of governance in the west like North America and even the United Kingdom. Having been shunned from Westernization, the domestic and international policies of Turkey show that while they are, in fact, addressing their defense needs domestically and avoiding foreign strangleholds on their military, they are doing so in a way that alienates them in all directions. Sure, they tried to make a few friends along the way by sinking money into doomed foreign relations and investments (ie. Libya, Somalia, Nigeria, Syria) and have some cultural ties with resource-rich nations (Azerbaijan, central Asian Turkic countries) but the "we don't need anyone" chest-beating posture is further pushing the west away, straining ties with their North African and Arabian peninsula relations, and as much as Erdogan wants to be an intermediator to look good, nobody can even pretend to be friends with Russia these days. I sincerely doubt things will go that far, as Turkey is still the most significant military presence in NATO and the U.N. after the United States, but if Turkey acts as bold as Greece once did, I have a feeling that getting back on good terms with the west won't be as easy as it was for Greece.

Thanks for the great writeup and the follow-up comments, it was great to read a well thought out perspective on the wider issues as well as a deeper dive into the F16 situation.

It's one of those weird situations going beyond just Turkey and the Senate and international arms trade regulations though, where if we disregard the dubious situation regarding the SU-57 radar cross section for a moment, superpowers like the U.S., Russia and the U.K. have the R&D and experience to start thinking about 6th generation manned and unmanned aircraft while nations with the infrastructure and serious or semi-serious need for a more modern fleet of aircraft (Japan, South Korea, Turkey, India) are either playing the "strength in numbers" game with older designs (the way the F-16 procurement is going for Turkey and the constant updates to the Rafale in France - which is actually the next C. W. Lemoine video - as an interim solution before the F-35 or whatever BAE comes up with as the next Eurofighter), or scrambling tooth and nail to come up with a 4.5 or 5th gen domestic solution that they all hope to market elsewhere to keep costs in check. That's proving to be a problem: Indonesia is over a billion dollars behind in payment for the Korean KF-21, and just this year an Indonesian engineer was caught trying to smuggle classified data from the program, so development seems to have stagnated especially considering the Korean air force themselves have stated that they would rather have twice as many F-16s at half the cost of a KF-21. Japan has various limitations on their overall military breadth due to WWII agreements, so they want to renew their whole fleet in the next decade. Working with BAE to achieve this, the current financial situation at BAE is making that plan look like a pipe dream and Japan is probably left with no choice but to keep maintaining and upgrading what they have since they can't procure more or newer aircraft without scuttling what they have. Basically, nations outside of the F-35 program are stuck with what they have or what they can mash together, while nations in the program are in the sunk cost fallacy or gambler's fallacy in that they've invested too much and it's too late to quit. @@supermonkeywtf09

It actually isn't interesting because the S-300 is old and won't be able to collective the type of data we're afraid it might. Not that I don't find the entire S-400 talking point Gonky for other reasons.

The Greek army has no combat experience. Just because it's an F35 doesn't mean it can use it. The U.S. threw envelopes at us and even told us to give up the S400s. But are we going to give up the s400, of course not

There are only 50 nuclear ammunition in Incirlik

Keeping these munitions in Turkey and other countries under the name of the so-called nuclear "sharing" program does not mean anything other than a threat to these countries.

Should've given the patriot system then

@gwcrispi. Then there would be no deal. Asking for the impossible isn't actually a good negotiation tactic.

The requirement for S400 Turkey is up to SIPER-BLOCK 2. It would be correct to buy THAAD and not F35+Patriot

​@@gaming123hd6The requirement for S400 Turkey is up to SIPER-BLOCK 2. It would be correct to buy THAAD and not F35+Patriot

Either you lying or you are ignorant..Greece never buy s300.cyprus buy them and then turkey started again the usual blackmail drama and threats if the system didn't move to Greece.that was 25 years ago and turkish officials under nato mask were on the island of Crete to watch the transfer...those turks..

@@panosgeorgedimitriou2290 Okey mr greek im not lying and you know it you are operating those s-300 and that alone is enough

I think we'd rather not have Russian technicians and engineers tearing apart Turkish F-35s to help make their own 5th gen aircraft. better.

@@blount99RT why would they do that ? 🇹🇷 is in NATO and has always been loyal to NATO, unlike the Greeks who gave NATO secrets to the Soviet Union in the 1970s. The Turks have fought the Russians more than any other nation, there is not a chance the Russians would get anywhere near F35 or Turkish Kaan, so there is zero basis to say otherwise.

@@blount99RT You don't know much about the relationship between the Turks and Russians do you?

Turkiye shouldn't rely on any ally, turkiye should learn from this and develop its own defense industries.

@@gaming123hd6Appears that’s what they are doing…!

Motor yoksa KAAN uçmaz🎉

It was not a coincidence that they pulled Patriot in 2015 after ISIS threatened to bomb Turkiye. This should not be overlooked. S400 purchase agreement year 2017

A lot of those arguments are sound except for Turkey being tied for munitions. They've made their own air to air and air to ground missiles which they've modified to be carried on their current crop of F-16s. I doubt they'd spend billions researching and developing these missiles if they weren't planning on producing a lot of them and using them. I'd imagine we have a lot more reasons to make these deals than just tying them into buying air to air missiles for 30 years.

China wouldn't pick China. Because Turkey produce own ammunition.

Turkey has indigenous modernization program for f-16 block 30. Turkey integrates Aesa radar, new avionics, electronic war pode and new mission computer. Turkey is capable of producing ram paint and various of guided ammunition bombs and missiles. Turkey buys block 70 to use the money given for f-35. Because USA took money for f-35 and didnt give either planes or money back.

You should worry about your own gobblers. 😉

Ah no this isn’t a quid pro quo thing we are American it’s our shit they don’t dictate what we do they should not be getting any American help as they are not a true ally

they can always buy China

@@mracer8 I don't think a NATO Ally is ever going to buy from China? It is the European competition that may pick up the slack.

America’s a great friend as long as it suits them. They’ll sell you the best equipment in the world as long as you only use it in ways they approve of and continue to support them politically. But say the wrong things and your spare parts and software updates will be cut off. That’s fine for long term allies like the UK and Israel, but it’s a strong selling point for the Rafale and Gripen for other countries.

@@chrisl461 Pakistan found that out the hard way. They had a F-16 deal long ago. And of course got squashed by Congress.

I am kinda surprised Russia sold an S400 to Türkiye after they shoot down one of their SU24s in 2015

Why are you dumb

They won't have large fleets of this Kaan fighter in the next couple of years. Sometime in the 2030s.

2030s is not very far away anymore. and you won't sell planes every year. if you lose the sales train, you lose.@@williamdavis9562

It doesn't seem like this deal is about money.

No matter how much comes in, congress will pour more out.

This is more than just a purchase, but modernization of their existing F-16 fleet. And they can't simply build their own from scratch. They assembled them in Turkey using parts that were sent there. They do apparently have an indigenous capability to make some, but not all parts.

@ypw510 ok, but didn't they also have their own fallback upgrade plan for their F-16s? Incase the F-16V upgrade kits were denied?

@@F22raptor46 My understanding is that even with KAAN, they're still way behind on engine technology and will need to buy from GE. They do have some manufacturing. They're apparently making replacement fuselage and wing parts for F-16s and selling them to the US. I really doubt that they could make everything themselves. They're going to need some parts from outside of Turkey.

@@ypw510I didn't mean the engines, I know that probably comes from the US, but they had their own concept of an upgrade package they came up with, like their own AESA radar, weapons, avionics etc for the F-16, basically bringing an F-16 to the same standard as the F-16V

​@@F22raptor46Yes its called Özgür(Free) modernization. First deliveries from the first phase of the project already are made and its ongoing . Project is now being applied to Block 30s and later will be on remaining block 40 and 50s. But Turkiye still need additional aircraft and upgrade for some of the existing with Block 70 not only will upgrade the fleet ,but also will be base for the Özgür project to be developed in better way and more effective way having an already established platform. Whole fleet is planned to be upgraded 50/50 . One part of the fleet is F16 Özgür upgrade and another is F16V.

Ukraine front already has S-400's around. Whats the point? Syria has S-400's around who can track USAF fighters inside Türkiye. Whats the point? What is collecting radar data means dude? Tracking them? Locking them? Whats the point? Turkish F-16 Block 50's already using Link-16. Whats the point? F-35 using its own unique datalink or what? What they can collect from fighters flying around?

Sweden is a puppet of the EU….and the USA…. Just like Zelensky

I am no fan of Turkey, but to be fair, Turkey only bought the Russian S systems because the US reneged on it's promise to sell Patriot missile batteries to them. Years went by, and the US continued to stonewall Turkey. So they threatened the US with the potential purchase of the RU S systems. The US balked, and Turkey made good on their threat. You can't fault a country in the Mideast for wanting ABM system to defend themselves from attack. Obama totally jacked that whole thing up.

Sweden sovereignty got compromised by the U$ . Why join U$-led NATO when the USSR is long gone .

@mrMvidz, You make it seem like Sweden was some innocent pawn in this power game, if that were the case Finland wouldn't have been accepted as easily either. Sweden has annoyed Hungary quite a bit over the years. As far as Turkey, I'd imagine it was quite awkward for Sweden to try to join a collective defense organization while at the same time being one of the major financiers of an armed militia group which is blow up schools and hospitals in a member of that same collective defense organization it is trying to join. If Sweden didn't have such a geostrategic advantage, no one would have bothered twisting Hungary's and Turkey's arm (and bribing them) to get you in. So yea, I'd imagine there are people a lot more irritated than you with Sweden and their past behavior.

They bought Russian because they are on the fence as an ally. They will not be reliable if war breaks out, they will take whichever side suits them at the time. My guess is they blocked Sweden for denying them the SAAB knowing they would leak s400 data plus all other data on the plane to the russians

We don't need to sell anything.

Cheaper and better? Each battery costs like a billion and a half, and a system was wrecked in Crimea last year while a drone filmed from above.

@@ChucksSEADnDEAD There are far better systems made by many Nato countries including an excellent Norwegian one, but 1. don’t underestimate corruption in the procurement all the way to Erdogan. 2. don’t underestimate Erdogans interest in buttering up Putin and hedging his bets alliancewise.

💯 agree Turkey should not be given anything if anything we should make a nato2.0 and not include the chicken people

*chicken

No, it's called "Turkey." We are speaking ENGLISH here, not Turkish.

*Tuurrkeii

You are right until 2030 the Greeks will have the advantage in the sky but after that, the tides will turn as usual. You will have to keep buying from the US or Europe spending billions versus Turkey will be producing its own 4,5-5Th gen jets with national weapons and missiles not to mention we will be exporting these weapons and make billions. What can Greece produce other than olive oil? Do you have any national capability of producing your own UAVs or smart missiles, Submarines, Warships, Airplanes, ammunitions, military technologies, military AI, Jet engines, helicopters etc.? Think about who will rule what in the future because we are capable of doing all that and working really hard to make this come true. Don't worry we can always sell you guys what you need after all you don't seem to understand this but Turks have no problems with Greece we see you as a neighbor, not an enemy. We want to have good relations with our neighbors including Greece.

Kinsal….it is spelled Kinsal

Are they? I don't read propaganda.

I don't think the Ukrainians are in a position to laugh about anything right now. Let alone an S-400.

Those russian jets wouldn’t work with the American/NATO Systems of the Turkish Air Force.

@@FTC207that’s a feature, not a bug. Turkey and Hungary need to leave NATO.😊

What?

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@@bakrdemir8656 Hala Turkey diyorlar

It's hardly enough to upend international speaking norms, which evolve over time anyhow.

@@laurab.9318 It does every time Turky asserts their demand that the world spell and speak the country's name in Turkish. And that's not something that will ever "evolve with time." Try pronouncing and spelling "China" using the same convention: "中国". Do you want to spell China that way every time you spell it? Doo you want to SAY 中国 every time you say the name of the country? It's beyond absurd, and that's why it's never been done that way.

​@@-108- Türkiye's new spelling is still based on the Latin alphabet. They're not asking anyone to learn or use something like Chinese characters. The UN accepted the change. Perhaps they wouldn't have if it involved a different alphabet, characters, etc., but they can cross that bridge if/when they come to it. In the meantime, a new spelling based on the same alphabet is hardly an imposition. And there's plenty of historical precedent for nations changing their names. And there is no rule stating that proper nouns must be Anglicized. When they are, it's usually for convenience. It's hardly inconvenient to type T-U-R-K-I-Y-E. If you're inconvenienced by the umlauts, don't use them. Or if you're inconvenienced with spelling, do it your way and don't sweat how other people spell it.

Right. And it's kiev, not kyiv. Burma, not myanmar. And ivory coast, not cote de whatever.

@@laurab.9318 English does not use the umlot, so you are wrong. Latin or not has nothing to do with it. It is impossible for English speakers to spell it the way Turkey wants them to spell it "properly," as one cannot spell it properly without the umlot, with which Turkey demands it be spelled. So we're up against the exact same thing as speling/speaking Hungary "Magyarország" in Ehglish, and Sweden "Sveria" in English. It's linguistically improper to spell Turkey "Türkiye" in English. Turkey is spelled, AND PRONOUNCED, "Turkey" in English. Period. You may think that it's not, wish that it wasn't, or anything in between, but Turley is still spelled AND SPOKEN "Turkey" in English. Failure to understand this is denial, plain and simple. 🙂

I'm less worried about turkey's douchebaggery around Sweden's NATO membership, than I am about turkey's ongoing ethnic and linguistic (and often physical) genocide of Kurds and Armenians. Or about turkey's ongoing territorial expansionist aspirations. turkey needs to cede everything west of the Bosphorus back to Greece and Macedonia, then withdraw from Cyprus, and THEN we can start talking about treating turkey as legitimate members of the international community. Because right now, they aren't.

FU all

Correct way is Turkiye ;) We don't care what you were used to spell it . This is just Wikipedia level ignorance lol.

@@ilkeribrahim6541 Turkey does not dictate how the English language is used. It is and always will be Turkey. Just like Sweden does not go out and say whaaaaa whaaa correct spelling is Sverige.

@@wathaet1386 It doesn't matter who dictates and who not . Name of the countries in English are how they known in UN and how the countries named them which are converted to the English. It was took in the English language in wrong way and now it's corrected.

So narrow, your mind is

Israel invents and manufactures tech that the US needs and purchases from them. Israel is about the closest partner the US has, outside Great Britain. They are certainly doing better than Canada is, on the democracy and freedom front.

​@@uwekonnigsstaddt524 Zionism = Islamism Zionism is not Judaism .

Embrace Ismism. Be an Ismismist!

oO Is the USA a secular state? I saw on TV one of the American presidents mentioning new crusades and holding a Holy Bible taking an oath.

War is a racket .

USA stops its active supports to PKK/ YPG, then we'll think about it.

So it's okay for US to threaten it's allies with organizations it deems as terrorists, funny.

@ThomasticAmerican13FOX.. If only the rest of the world worked based on your emotions. Imagine that lol

They already have been building F-16s under license for a long time and they were previously approved up to block 50/52. With their own additions they could potentially get roughly close to block 60 but they don’t have permission. If we continue so say no to block 70 they might go ahead with their own upgrades and accept the risk of supply chain disruptions from the US. In the end it is probably a reasonable ask although I hate the transaction based diplomacy when letting in Sweden is in all of NATO’s interests.

I don't think they mean massive in terms of geographical size.

Mower and Gonky are supporters of their Gov-Military hegemonic agenda.

Turkey does not violate anything in the Aegean. 6 miles of the islands belong to Greece, but unlike anywhere else in the world, the Greeks say that 6 miles of sea and 10 miles of airspace are ours. The Greeks, Turkey and even the USA see the 4 miles of international airspace in between, Turkish planes do not notice the slightest. Even in this way, when we consider the difference, Greece says there is a violation. If the violation was real, Greece would go to the Hague.

Also, greece idae same with china which USA aganist on....

I mean, Russians are using Greek territory to transfer their oil not the Turkish one :)

@Agent47ist. I don't think large geopolitical dealings like this from a superpower will be dependent on the whims of a client state like Greece. Don't think anyone really cares about these violations, assuming they are even violations to begin with.