Right, it wasn't a review at all. *In Ninja voice: "TALK ABOUT DA HEADPHONES MAAAN, THEY WANNA HEAR ABOUT THE HEADPHONES!"

Exactly! WTH?

Seriously!!!! This dude just started recording and forgot the aim for this video

thank you for saving my time)

They aren't 50 less good by any means. They both have identical construction, they have different paint jobs and the HD600's feature a more flat sound, whilst the HD650's are tuned to be slight warm-sounding.

Get a 650 from Massdrop and you'll hear how much the 280 sucks.

@@jerryjazzbo2845 Owner of a 650 and a 280 pro. 280 pros are fantastic headphones. Much better isolation. They have their uses. Obviously they aren't gonna sound as good as 650.

Hi Chris, good comparison with the swing. I like difficult things explained in simple ways for us who are not technically trained : ) One question though: Isn't the frequency space respons behaving very different in headphones? Your example with open cans' low frequency using the entire room sound a bit odd because the volume itself really doesn't make sound reach the room's walls to affect the sound you hear? One of the biggest benefits I think is with cans is that you hear the direct sound almost entirely.

You may want to reconsider your analysis. Physics says differently. Wavelengths do not need "distance to develop" due to the wavelength, as is commonly misunderstood and propogated by the internet. If long wavelengths needed distance to develop, you would not have low frequencies in headphones, in cars, inside small ported subwoofer cabinets, etc. Also to hear all frequencies, you would have to move a different distance from the speaker and no one could hear all frequencies the same at any one location LOL. What actually happens is the pressure increases and decreases (the air pressure on the earth is modulated by the soundwave) and is sensed by the eardrum at a repetition rate based on the frequency, the wavelegth does not come into play here. The enclosure (closed headphones) will create a resonant cavity and increase the acoustic impedance on the diaphragm, but does not prevent the pressure wave from being developed. That is one reason open ears will be more accurate since resonate cavites are a major source of coloration. From an acoustics standpoint, we break the room acoustics down to four different qualities. (Yes I do work in the acoustics field). Those frequencies longer than the the room dimensions are what we call the "pressure zone", we just treat them differently than higher frequencies. I hope this clarifies as I have tried to simplify this as much as possible.

I respect you for attempting to explain this in a streamlined way, but it is extremely misleading. Music Technologists such as myself dislike using closed back headphones for many reasons. The first and main one is resonance. Because the general size of the headphones is a few inches in width, the frequency that has a wavelength of that distance will create a standing wave, and become much louder (inaccurate) due to constructive interference. This is why he said the mids and low-highs were bumped on the closed backs. To clarify some concepts you discuss, 100 hz is ~10 feet because the speed of sound in air is always relatively the same, so to change frequency you need to change the distance between pressure waves (opposed to speed). Think frequency= velocity/wavelength, but velocity can't change. To hear 100 hz, you don't need a 10 foot wide room, you just need air pressure waves to hit your ear 100 times a second. The most accurate environment to listen to 100 hz is a vacuum, and the worst is a 10 foot wide room because the waves will create standing waves (which is something you think is good; If you push a swing when it comes close to you, it will go higher than before; frequencies will add up to have higher/louder amplitudes than what was recorded= innacuracy). According to your theory, headphones can't have low end at all. This is obviously not the case.

@@aidansingh9790 hi do you know if mass damping headphones would remove unwanted resonances and upto what extent?

@@genebrandt8424 hi can mass damping remove resonances and thus improve the sound and transient response ?

Donald Hokanson how do your mixes sound on large speakers/other sources like car radio etc. though? That's usually the problem with headphone mixing.

Skijumptoes I was pleasantly surprised that they translated really well. I was able to trust the bass level on the headphones, I couldn't do that on my monitors in my crappy room. Also, reverb was easier to dial in the right amount as I wasn't confused by the reverb that was inherit in my room.

My producer uses them also...saids they are perfect the 280z "for mixing" they really separate the sounds His mixes are SIIIICK

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what would recommend? is it good to get an amp dac combined ?

This is exactly what I wondered! And I guess this is the “drawback” with investing in a couple of headphones like the HD650. It may not be good enough just to purchase the headphones, you would need a good headphone amp, and these are not super cheap from what I gather. But I guess it would be a good investment though? What headphone amp do you use? And you Joe?

I build my own since I am an electronic engineer, but there are many good ones out there. I do not like to specify unless I can run tests or at least see the schematic.

@@genebrandt8424 Hi can you send me your email, you seem to have good knowledge on this, would buying the 650's with custom calibration profile from sonar works not be enough? i'm also not sure whether I need an amp/ dac or soundcard

How About Getting Yourselves A Pair Of Studio Monitors, Like #YamahaHS5/7/8 Or The #Focals 🙄

Michael Tamburello I have a pair of 424’s bought new in mid 80’s they sound great!

Probably too late but the HD600 will probably do even better for you. The HD650 is basically an HD600 but a little warmer and a little more base. The hd600 is slightly more neutral and analytical. I think what sennheiser did was to make the hd600 mostly for professional use and the hd650 more for music listening.

There's no such thing as break in or burn-in. 😆

He also made a tiktok where he said he mixed his last record on Bose headphones too smh so who knows lol.

The m50s's are loved by many, but aren't even close to flat.

jkunblade the difference is so miniscule it doesn't even matter

jkunblade I prefer a slight bass boost as most gear that's used to listen to music has an emphasis on bass anyway. Plus it's more encouraging having a bottom end that you don't need push yourself, right from the get go you're rocking and into the music more.

Open back and it's not even close.

J why do you say that?

@@ShahzadKhan-xn5eb Because open back is always gonna be better for gaming, they have wider sound and usually better positioning because their sound is free to leak and decay naturally.

Not my experience.

@@HomeStudioCorner intresting??? Your the only person iv ever heard say that... It dont mean your wrong though... It depends on the headphones also Iv never seen any1 record with open backs ... It lets the sound out and bleeding...closed solidates it all for recording wich would add bass anyway my headphones all suck Open and closed Im probably going for these 1ns...the open for mixing Thanks for the advice

Yeah I can see how they may have more bass, but I've found open back to have deeper, more accurate bass. And a lot of cheaper closed-back headphones don't reproduce those LOW frequencies as well as my nicer HD650 headphones.

@@HomeStudioCorner im glad you replied i lost the convo...sooo i talked to my producer again...he said EXACTLY what you did... He uses the same and they are closed back!!! I was wrong. Frim what im seeing these particular open backs acually have a whole diffrent punchy bass tone...and the closed are acually a realer bass tone you are correct about all you said It really does depend on the company Thank you for your advice I know which headphones to buy now I do all diffrent genres so i need a really good set of headphones Thanks again :)

yes

Great deal!

May I ask where?

6xx?

FiddlerSteve Their HD6xx if your wondering. Same thing, different manufacturer. Lower price

where ??

Highly recommend an objective 2 headphone amp, good mid range amp that does a good job without breaking the bank to much. I've been using one with my hd 650's for the past year and they sound amazing.

I got the Sennheiser 650s about a week a and a half ago. It depends on your amp power for the most part. My amp pulls 105 wpc and makes even weak recordings sound great (with the headphones, of course).

I just use the headphone outputs on my interface/monitor management systems. No need for high end headphone amps.

@@HomeStudioCorner Fair Enough 👍

you need to get an amplifier to push the power since they are 300 ohm headphones. Try out jds labs atom.

@@Hurcor I do have 2 amp/dac one fiio E17k and the other one is a smsl m6. I was trying to get a darkvoice from massdrop since some people say it makes them sound even better because of tubes...

Cuentos de la Cripta well you know what you gotta do! spend more money!! yay!!

@@Hurcor Maybe in a couple of years I'll buy something else. They're good for now although expectations were a bit too high; in the meantime, some "ok" speakers are in my shopping list.

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Schit fulla 2 or magni 3 or filo e10k

Thanks

Forrest Baldwin if you're using it for more than a few hours at a time I'd go with speakers as headphones can really mess your ears up unless you're very regimented in keeping the volume down. Also I find they can be tiring during longer sessions.

8-inch speakers require a pretty big room. If you don't have that, you MIGHT be better off with headphones.

Goooood point.

bro this is studio monitors for mixing and not for gaming..for gaming you want closed back headphones ..this is not for playing loud music with too much bass. this headphones are flat..what that means is that they were designed to help people who produce and mix music to be able to listen to the sound as flat as possible..if your gaming you dont really want that..you want headphones who can play loud music with heavy bass.try pionneer hdj 1000 or 2000 or dr dre..that kind of headphones

They are high impedance. Do you have them connected to an amplifier?

@@mariospavlou8421 Bro! You want open back headphones for gaming. You need good soundstage and imagining for that immersive experience. Also to track people's movements in multiplayer so you can kill them before they kill you.. bro

Roger that.

The seller doesn't know what he's talking about. The cables on the HD650 are great. Also cables don't really dictate audio quality unless they're really really crappy. The originals that come with the HD650 are just as good as really expensive after market cables.