They respond well to dac amps to give a fuller sound. Ifi hip dac has great bass boost mode

Actually, they do have boomy bass unfortunately which is why I don't own the HD650 myself. The ER4 does similar things but is more precise and has no bass bloat.

Exactly. I just wish they were wider and had a tiny bit more bass.

Basically that what you get from cheap headset, these are so over-rated that its incredible.

i partly agree with you but for me i always want a little more bass. maybe im spoiled because i have upgraded to some really high end headphones but the only thing i want out of the 650 is more bass presence.

Same here. Have not been without an HD600 since 2003 & HD650 since 2007.

You like 3 blob effect and veiled?

@@chefgav1 I don’t hear “veiled,” I hear “smooth” and “pleasant” and “3 blob” isn’t how I perceive it, either, although I understand why that’s said of them 🤗

@@robertgosselin14 What the main difference?

The HD650 is great for laid back music

"Scalability" will soon part a fool from his $$

yeah i prefer 600 too, and yeah agree buy amp with bass boost/option, just in case

yeah

So now we know which headphones you use when modding skyrim :) ! I was scrolling and saw you in the comments and thought " Ιs that him ? ".Nice videos ! By the way we have similar setup , I also use the X7 but with HD600.

Which DAC or amp would you recommend to use with the HD650? My intergrated Rotel amp got a built in DAC, should I need an external one too? Do you use any EQ in your set up?

@@khoiquach any flat dac for 650, its a good pick too

im now in between 650 and 600 what do u think?

​@@demon-ll9eg both of them are a great choice and both of them sound astonishingly natural and detailed. It is only a matter of preference between a mid-highs oriented (but still relaxed and natural) sound (HD600), or a warmer more deep sound signature (that's also very relaxed and natural) (HD650). Also don't be afraid to choose the "wrong one". I actually bought the HD650 and then tried the HD600 wish i actually prefered, but that did not make me regret buying the HD650, because they still are amazing and still share 90% of the DNA of the HD600😉

not exactly smooth like literally, just um signature sound, hard to explain

im a composer/producer and im geting the 650 (never tried both), but what i learned with experiencie, is that headphones too flat became boring, and to have a real juicy one is the way to go, since you're more in love with music with the juicy ones. But, at the same time, the 650 seems legit for producers as well (hability to be super confort + really hearing the details)

I was about to say the same thing. High gain on the Atom? are you nuts :)

@@simongibbons2148 I'm at high gain at about 11-12oclock on the HD600 and the Atom. Maybe I like my music louder than some, but you tend to get best tonality and thump at that volume. It works out at about 80db. Loud yes, but not damaging.

Yeah, when he said that I got worried as I just ordered the HD600 to use with my Schiit Magni 3. I do usually use it on high gain with my HE400se but I thought the dynamic would be easier to drive.

@@mathewgardiner9388 80 dB is damaging over time... Better to listen at 60-65 MAX...

no point, 560s are superior in every way!!

@@h-dawg6462 good to know. In like the 560s a lot.

Totalmente de acuerdo. Tengo hd 6xx y dt 880. Los beyerdynamic respetaron su sonido a volumenes altos. Los 6xx destruyen su sonido

i was wondering the same, as i want to geat a good deal for a new headphone this year

Hifiman sometimes, Audeze always for B Stock. The best you can do is to follow the head-fi thread called "The Deals DISCUSSION Thread". Also on reddit you can follow r/headphones with flair:Deal

My Rotel intergrated amp got a build in DAC, should I still need to buy an external DAC and run it through the Rotel and then connect the HD650 to the amp? I saw an Cambridge DACMagic 200M DAC/AMP that the reviews are awesome. If I buy this, I don't need the Rotel then.

I was thinking the same

I believe it is from the anime, "Demon Slayer."

Old but gold

They changed the damping material from paper to fabric to some sort of silvery plastic in order to lift up some of the veil but otherwise mostly unchanged.

yeah, capitalism!

Have you seen DMS revisiting the 6XX? He says it is the pair of headphones he uses the most, yet he doesn't speak so highly of the 660s. He recommends keeping the 6XX and getting something different to complement with another tuning.

Sonarworks

Do you use sonarworks to fix the highs and lows or morphit?

hope so

600

Dude, I gotta say I own both, modified both. Got a copper weight from custom cans, removed the foam from behind the driver, the foam from inside the ear cup that is in front of the driver and sewed nylon to the back of the ear pads. The weight gives it more low end and removing the foam lets the driver breathe a little more and opens the sound stage up a little. Also I got a balanced cable off Amazon, ya can probably get a balanced cable for either for less than I did. I dumped about $70 more bucks into each and this brought them both to life. When I say they have more low end, not like Skullcandy kind of low end but a more true low end. The 600 is what audiophiles would call "analytical" or whatever, I'd just say that the low mids and mids on the 650 are slightly exaggerated, I mean slightly. Not fuzzy...softer maybe. I like them both. I don't think you'd be disappointed with either if you can find a deal on one or the other. Yeah I think Sennheiser sells a balanced cable for the 660S that will fit the 600/650 for super cheap. The balanced cable is worth it. Balanced gets a little more power out of your amp, so there is a volume jump. I don't think it's just a volume jump either, it's clarity as well. I do tend to find myself leaning more towards the 600, but I'd cry if either got lost/stolen/broken and have to replace either

@@tatteredhope911 comparing 600 series to headphones with high resolution they end up sounding veiled all of them, timbre and presentation of mid range is very good but thats it

Yes.

I'm new too, I would buy an good DAC for that. Fiio is a good DAC or amp that has great reviews. I assume your computer already has a built in DAC but it's not good. My Source would be Tidal MQA from laptop or Iphone.

Not a waste. They sound amazing with no amp, a real pleasure to listen to straight from a phone or PC. You'll notice the quality without a doubt. Modern computers and phones are quite capable these days. Of course if you want perfect reproduction, get an amp

I do not think it is necessarily a waste. They sound very good from the laptop, android tablet too. There might be a tiny difference compared to my dac/amplifier combo but I would not worry too much about it. With separate amp or dac they will not transform into different pair of phones.

I'm looking at buying my second set of headphones and I'm stuck between the HD650 & 560S you can pick 560S new cheaper then a second hand pair of 650's would you say the 560s are that good if not better?

@@j-mals I didn't like the HD650 at all. The 560S had a pretty good sound that came close to the HD600. I'd pick the new 560S. Only downside is the build is slightly less firm. And the earpads aren't the same size as HD650 which can be easily bought/replaced

I’m a musician mixer. I have not tried the hd600 or heard the hd400 pro which is just a redesigned 560s. Keeping mixing in mind are they that close? It seems the 560s/400Pros have an extended neutral bass reach.

waddya mean "less aftermarket support for earcups"? all of the 5 range earcups fit on them easily! and i wouldn't say "flimsy" either!

@@h-dawg6462 the earpads on 560S are not the same as HD600/650. They are not interchangeable. You can find replacement pads for HD600/650 more easily simply because it's an older more popular headphone. Same with the balanced cable. The build between the 2 series is different too. HD600/650 is much sturdier.

I have the hd 600. Subjectively speaking they sound quite good on classical. I do not find the sounstage particularly narrow. Then again I have never heard the hd800 for instance. Ymmv.

I mean, according to most people on different audio forums these are THE classical music headphones, especially in this price range, for their balanced and clear sound.

@@coloradoing9172 thanks. I ended up buying some HD660S and am so impressed with them

They're all Andrew. All of them

It's in the thumbnail. You can see the watermark. Also, if you hover over the video it'll give you a preview of who it is.

@@Traffic-Light wink wink 😏

So the 650 has more bass than the 6XX?

@@Viettzz no 650 and 6xx are the same.

@@francoisrochette3808 I had no Idea about model 2 and 3. My 6xx was the first edition from drop I pre ordered them back in the day. I guess that's why.

Hd 560s has better bass extension and treble is also great.

The HD58x has pretty similar tonality compared to the hd650. It has a bit more bass extension but is less detailed and the treble isn’t as smooth and sounds almost grainy.

They are beast mode with any OTL tube amp. I use mine with a Schiit Valhalla 2 - absolute bliss!

I use the dragonfly cobalt and chord mojo each works great

@@InfestedScapegoat Sorry I'm new with this, need some help please. Does the Schiit tube amp need new tube every year? Do you use any EQ in your set up? If I buy the Shiit EQ Lokius, is it connected between the source and the DAC/AMP?

Schiit Asgard

RME ADI-2 FS

The 650 worked really well in Battlefield 1 for me;)

From my experience, the soundstage and imaging on the HD 600 series really isn’t all that amazing for gaming-at least for FPS games. I think that the AKG or something from Beyerdynamic would be better for games.

HD599

Similar story here, 560s few month ago, hifiman sundara not so long ago. Then i came across with used Mojo and now i ordered hd 600 from sale for 259e.... I think im happy for a while now😅

Nah, I just have a big head 😂

I've been able to power the hd6xx to uncomfortable levels using the 18i8 gen 2's headphone outputs. Usually ride the gain between 1 & 2 o'clock, depending on source.

@@roberteverett8463 I have a 6i6 and I bought a schiit magni heresy tonight. I will make a comparison once I receive everything.

how does the magni heresy compare to 6i6 headphone out?

@@roberteverett8463 SO I received my heresy but my 6i6 is at my other place so I can't compare yet. HD 650 is a really beautyful & really soft headphone and the magni is enough to power those :)

@@modeus4196 Thanks for the reply. I may just go ahead & get amp. It'll probably be useful in the long run.

All three are excellent headphones. I perosnally like the HD 660S a bit better than the Elex, mostly because of comfort, though. And then I like the Clear more than both.

My dream for now - Hifiman ananda for 700$

yes and no? i mean, you will need an interface/headphone amp to power it, but that being said, even a fairly cheap one will power it. you can even get some cheap ones that connect easily with your phone for less than £100, it wont be totally ideal, but it'll still work and sound good

You can play them from a phone if the phone has a decent dac, amp built in. Same goes with PC. You'll only know when you use them with your devices. If they need an amp, they'll sound quieter than you like from your devices. If they need a dac, you'll know if there is low level noise, in the background. I suspect if that is the case, it will be more apt to happen with our pc than your phone. ( it depends on the quality of the the dac or amp. If you do decide you need a dac or an amp you don't need anything expensive. Also don't expect to be blown away, unless your phone and pc are really low quality. Audiophiles tend to greatly exaggerate the benefits of dacs and amps

@@garyluciani370 My Rotel intergrated amp got a built in DAC, do I still need a external DAC to connect it with the Rotel? I heard Cambridge Audio got some great DAC and I might buy one from them.

You should get Apple Music which supports lossless and the schiit magni amp DAC stack

I use mine connected straight to my Samsung S9+ phone and they sound awesome. I can't even put the volume up to the max or it's too loud. Very clean and musical. I'm a music producer so I use a dedicated interface and a headphone amp when I'm working, but for casual listening, no amp works amazingly well

You know what's funny about this... The first hd660s I got in for review was broken. So even for the best companies, there are still failure rates.

Do not buy a budget focal

@@TheHEADPHONEShow what kind of failure...if i can ask ?

@@omeee even the high end focal headphones have qc issues lmao. From channel imbalance to broken drivers

I’ve gotten used to the HD650, but did find it bloated at first. There are genres of music I can’t listen to with them. Queens of the Stone Age sound awful through them!

​@@superash82 i want them just for discord and a little bit of games do u think i should get 600 or 650?

@@demon-ll9eg I’d use neither for gaming. They have zero soundstage or sub bass. I found the Fidelio x2HR great for gaming. Easy to drive, wide soundstage and reasonable imaging. The V shape sound actually suits games better than a neutral sound. They’re also great for surfing online. If you have around $300 to spend, maybe look at the Fidelio x3?

good question, a worldwide universal problem

None

Has some of You heard the NDH 30? Is the hype I've seen few times reasonable?

650 is just as detailed just not pushed in the face as like 600

​@@I_beat_up_cuckoldsso it's less detailed.

@@Goodbutevilgenius no

cons of a 650.......not as neutral as a 650?!? sort your life out!!😆

@@Goodbutevilgenius guess 6XX is very similar to 650 so I can say its simply not detailed at all if you consider anything else than mid range, Ive heard 600 long time ago but from memory it has better highs (less veil)

Check out the Hifiman Ananda.

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The HD600 is already at the top in some categories. Its basically has perfectly neutral tuning and one of the best ringing characteristics. You will find headphones that will balance more aspects together but at the same time you will lose out on others compared to the HD600.

@@Currywurst4444 I am considering Meze Empy/Elite and HiFiMan Arya SE. You are right regarding the HD600. I just wish they had the comfort of Meze, a wider soundstage like the Arya and a little bit more power in the subbass reigion like Meze. The main reason I want to upgrade, though, is comfort. I guess I have big ears.

Maybe focal clear?

I have Sundara and even though I love them for many aspects, there is one quite big issue about them - lack of weight in vocals and some instruments, which can sound quite artificial esp. (but not only) in a lot of Pop music. Also some recordings can sound quite harsh due to the quite elevated lower highs. Currently I am actually thinking about getting hd650 as supplementary headphones just for vocal oriented music and less analytical, more relaxed listening.

I owned the Sundara and 600. While the Sundara is technically a superior headphone with wider stage and proper low end extension, I found myself listening to the 600 more often. Reasons include 1. Far superior timbre 2. Less fatiguing highs 3. Vocals - they simply sound amazing on the 6X0 family of headphones. I still enjoy the Sundara for its technical aspects, but for actual listening and enjoyment, the above mentioned factors do imo take priority over technical superiority.

But if you're keeping your headphones for like 5+ years, it's probably safer to go for HD600 series despite whatever people that own Sundara said. I've seen so many qc related issues.

May I ask about the system you listened to the HD6X0's with?

@@mariodrv sure, it was the SMSL SP200 and a Cavalli Tube Hybrid, both paired with a Topping E30.

you eat them?

I personally like the HD 600 more for classical music; I feel like its treble region is able to better represent the overtones of instruments typically used in classical music.

These get rave reviews from classical junkies. RAVES. And such testimonials carry weight with me, given that classical listeners are much less apt to be taken-in by audiophile mumbo-jumbo, or fooled by "objective" but meaningless technical specs. I have several good friends who swear by these headphones and consider the acquisition of HD 600s to be signal events in their listening lives. FWIW.

@@Hotspur77 thanks

I can now add my own voice to the chorus of praise for the HD600s. Arrived this week and WOW. Large-scale concertos to solo piano, a poignant experience. Exceeded my expectations by a significant margin.

@@Hotspur77 congrats, enjoy. I too lean towards the 600.

Different camera

They have a very low wow factor, a good thing IMHO.

since broke, ive never heard anything even close to that sonically until like yesterday

well2 ive left comment yeah its not technically best which would be (obviously) he1, or lejardin, final 8000, but its the best iem to represent unique melody

@@iikatinggangsengii2471 Focal Clear is better but for me less comfy and drivers tend to give up at high SPL in sub bass region

If you got a Chord Mojo (cheapish now, since the Mojo 2 is out) I guarantee that you won't be able to get past 75% volume without your ear drums serving notice on your brain. They sound magnificent through this device and for £400 (£200 for HD650 / £200 Mojo is possible) an outstanding combo.

Get a Schiit magni + modi.

I disagree and I have every single 6 series ... The 660s is the best looking but mine rarely leaves the box

@@turbomustang84 which do you like the best?

The HD 660S is probably my favorite too hahaha I think it's a pretty good mix of the HD 600 and HD 650

dt 1990 is the same price and better (if you equalize)

Chrono 660 or Ananda?

Nope. I own both plus a range of top of the line headphones from HiFiMan and Stax, but still listen to the 650s for Music and 600s for Mixing (as it is more of a reference phone)...on a daily basis. No one should take to heart your personal preferences and bias. If you your comment contained correct grammar with a logical premise, perhaps it would have been taken a bit more seriously.

UnknownS0und Should I return your personal attack or be the better person? Opinions are like assholes.

UnknownS0und Empty channel troll.

@@BlueSpirit. My apologies for rattling your sensitivities. Truly.

UnknownS0und Haha! Enjoy meh.