SERENITY and Coping with Trauma

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Cinema Therapy

Cinema Therapy

Күн бұрын

What happens when you're kidnapped from your family, tortured, and conditioned into being an assassin? You get River Tam. And also Alan, apparently.
Therapist Jonathan Decker and filmmaker Alan Seawright discuss what we can learn about coping with trauma from Summer Glau's character River in Serenity and Firefly. They break down some of the symptoms of PTSD she exhibits, and some of the things that help her work through them and start healing.
Even though most of us don't live in a sci-fi future with space ships, space zombies, and space cowboys (along with psychics and lots of other fun), we can still learn a thing or two about how to heal from and deal with the trauma we do face in real life.
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Written by: Megan Seawright, Jonathan Decker and Alan Seawright
Produced by: Jonathan Decker, Megan Seawright & Alan Seawright
Edited by: Alan Seawright
Director of Photography: Bradley Olsen
00:00 - Intro
00:54 - Jonathan and Alan’s Firefly/Serenity history
02:36 - What’s wrong with River Tam?
06:52 - Joss Whedon did all the movie stuff in this movie
08:34 - How do you react to a traumatized person?
09:21 - Suicide is never the answer
11:52 - Having a voice
14:30 - Realizing there is a way out
16:30 - How therapy and flimmaking are the same thing
18:29 - River takes her power back
20:13 - Alan’s favorite fight scene
21:55 - How to thrive with Mental Illness
23:19 - How does River get better?
24:16 - Outro

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@hannahstolz4720
@hannahstolz4720 3 жыл бұрын
Fun fact about that fight scene; Summer and the cameraman who shot that scene are both dancers. So they basically choreographed a "dance" between the two of them, moving amongst the stunt team who she was fighting with, and that's how they achieved that shot. It's such a creative way to film a fight scene and that's why I think it is one of the coolest looking fights in cinema history.
@studioyokai
@studioyokai 3 жыл бұрын
oooh! I knew of course that Summer was a professional dancer, and that that had contributed to her being able to do so many awesome stunts and fight scenes (the fight choreographer on the DVDs iirc literally says that once they've gone through the routine for a fight once and started rehearsing it, she just gets faster and faster, because her experience as a dancer kicks in), I even knew that they literally combined "kung fu, kickboxing, and ballet" to make her fighting style which is why it's so beautifully unique...but I had no idea that the cameraman was a dancer too! That just goes to show how the most interesting combinations of skills can find ways of working in harmony, huh? Beautiful.
@excessivelyfangirlingbookw3339
@excessivelyfangirlingbookw3339 3 жыл бұрын
oh wow, didn't know that! Thanks for sharing, now it's even more awesome!!
@MossyMozart
@MossyMozart 3 жыл бұрын
@Hannah Stolz - That is toe-tapping cool!
@PamperedDuchess
@PamperedDuchess 3 жыл бұрын
The Assistant Director had a dance background, too? That makes SO much sense, now! 😱
@bagfootbandit8745
@bagfootbandit8745 2 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of The Raid. Those are some amazingly choreographed scenes, and creatively shot.
@HalfShelli
@HalfShelli 3 жыл бұрын
Firefly fans? Take my like. Take my subscription. Take my undying respect and devotion.
@CinemaTherapyShow
@CinemaTherapyShow 3 жыл бұрын
I don't care, channel's still free, but we still get ad money.
@KatherinaBathory
@KatherinaBathory 3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@CortexNewsService
@CortexNewsService 3 жыл бұрын
Why can't we love videos on here?
@peterlewerin4213
@peterlewerin4213 3 жыл бұрын
Take my like, take my sub, Take me where I cannot stand. I don't care, chann'l's still free, You can't take the sky from me.
@beckymurphy4714
@beckymurphy4714 3 жыл бұрын
@@CinemaTherapyShow Can't stop the signal.
@rsshieldsii
@rsshieldsii 3 жыл бұрын
"...accuse them of being weak or selfish, and I will explode." As a suicide survivor, I can't praise you enough for this mentality.
@kathrynforbach1507
@kathrynforbach1507 3 жыл бұрын
Him saying that has me in tears. 2020 is crap.
@tinselPixie
@tinselPixie 3 жыл бұрын
Survivors are some of the very strongest people on the planet...if they succumb to suicide it is not weakness, never, so much value in him saying that. So much.
@sharonoddlyenough
@sharonoddlyenough 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. My ex-boyfriend died from suicide, and he was not any of those.
@raggarbergman
@raggarbergman 3 жыл бұрын
Same here. The only time i can get pissed is if they take others with them like that pilot who flew into the mountain side killing himself and all the passengers plus other crew members or as my mathernal grandfather who plugged the ventilation to the heather so it wuld explode if someone turned it on before he hanged himself. Luckily he had a moment of clarity and warned them before he died. But never over a suicide as even if I never tried to end my life i have had a period with deep suicidal thoughts myself 11 years ago like how easy it would have been to unbucke the belt and speed into a tree and just be done with it. And i would lie if I said the thoughts didn't pop up occasionally even today.
@roosterthembones4475
@roosterthembones4475 3 жыл бұрын
@@raggarbergman Don't my friend.
@sonorasgirl
@sonorasgirl 3 жыл бұрын
Summer made it all look so graceful cause she was a professionally trained ballerina. Amazing talented woman.
@sharonmiller2224
@sharonmiller2224 3 жыл бұрын
I was just about to say this, but it has been said. Thank-you.
@ChernaOvce
@ChernaOvce 3 жыл бұрын
Oh wow, I didn't know that. I always thought making her moves dance-like was a character choice.
@sonorasgirl
@sonorasgirl 3 жыл бұрын
@@ChernaOvce it 100% was that too, but I think it was made BECAUSE of her background. I could be wrong about that though - but she definitely was a professionally trained dancer
@user-zh4vo1kw1z
@user-zh4vo1kw1z 3 жыл бұрын
@@healingthoughts3166 then he needs a better fight choreographer
@user-zh4vo1kw1z
@user-zh4vo1kw1z 3 жыл бұрын
So like JcvD? Bruce Lee was a champion dancer too. And Jet Li too. Jackie Chan, Sammo Hung, etc. Etc. Etc. Tell that to the next guy who says dancing is girly :p There is a very strong overlap between martial arts (especially traditional styles) and dance when it comes to the required skillset. That's why there are quite a few mixed forms (kapoeira is far from the only one!)
@invertedgrass5345
@invertedgrass5345 3 жыл бұрын
When ya can't afford therapy, THIS is pretty good.
@ashleymedina3677
@ashleymedina3677 3 жыл бұрын
Check out Dr. K healthy gamer's youtube channel. You don't have to be a gamer to really resonate with what's discussed. It's a great resource
@bribhoney
@bribhoney 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. This show made me really want to look for a therapist.
@wendychavez5348
@wendychavez5348 4 күн бұрын
.. and if you are in therapy, this is an amazing supplement!
@elenachristian9860
@elenachristian9860 3 жыл бұрын
Simon's love for River is so pure. He holds to his ideals even when abandoned and betrayed by the man who raised him. I just realized Simon is effectively the Galahad to Mal's damaged Arthur.
@gingerredshoes
@gingerredshoes 2 жыл бұрын
I love this comparison so much.
@Rystefn
@Rystefn 2 жыл бұрын
Late to the party here, but, yeah. Obviously, it's not a perfect analogy, but in this context? Yeah, very much so.
@biffstrong1079
@biffstrong1079 Жыл бұрын
Hmm does this make Jayne Lancelot? Yuck. No I guess he's the flawed temperamental Gawain.
@arianewinter4266
@arianewinter4266 Жыл бұрын
@@biffstrong1079 leave gwaine be . . .
@biffstrong1079
@biffstrong1079 Жыл бұрын
@@arianewinter4266 Well he has his moments. I do think Gawaine was better than Jayne .Jayne is more an Aggravaine except he is competent... Have to spend a little more thought on this. Now Wash is definitely Sir Dynadin, the smart aleck knight who really wasn't much of a fighter.
@joeyshofner639
@joeyshofner639 3 жыл бұрын
Firefly was The Mandalorian before there was The Mandalorian.
@carlos_hb
@carlos_hb 3 жыл бұрын
Totally and Cowboy bebop was Firefly before Firefly so I strongly recommend you check that out if you like Firefly, it's really good
@charleyzimmer2505
@charleyzimmer2505 3 жыл бұрын
@@carlos_hb Actually Outlaw Star was Firefly before Firefly, as such Firefly was The Expanse before The Expanse.
@Benevolence4
@Benevolence4 3 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love the mandalorian, but I think Firefly and Serenity take the character development and crank it up to 10! The Mandalorian is definitely getting there with Grogu and Din’s relationship, but I think it’s more of a slow burn 🤔
@JP2GiannaT
@JP2GiannaT 3 жыл бұрын
YES. That show owes SO much to Firefly.
@lucialanczova1315
@lucialanczova1315 3 жыл бұрын
Or avatar: the Last Airbender
@TheLimeinacoconut
@TheLimeinacoconut 3 жыл бұрын
I always got the feeling that Miranda was so bright was to show how the Alliance tried to create a pure, sterile world and also that it was almost a metaphor of how the truth can sometimes be hard to look at
@RuailleBuaille
@RuailleBuaille Жыл бұрын
I think so too. In addition, I get the vibe that it's metaphorically and literally whitewashed. It's bleached of colour and vibrancy, like the lives of those who once lived there - everyone stopped seeing and feeling nuance, either succumbing to blissful unawareness of basic needs (the dead) or feeling the most base, taboo, awful urges that mankind has historically exhibited (Reavers). In trying to make a utopia, the Alliance desaturated everything, so that all that remained was either a washed-out, bland existence or the shadowy darkness that some had triggered in them.
@oougahersharr
@oougahersharr 3 жыл бұрын
When I was suicidal, I would daily ask myself if I wanted to die (I don't care) and what did I have to live for (I don't know). One day, out of the blue, I woke up and asked "Do I want to die" and answered, surprised at the time, "I don't know." I asked "what do I have to live for?" And I answered "I want to see Airk and April grow up so if they ever feel this way, I can help them through it." My niece and nephew in this case, but yes, I found what I had to live for. It stunned me and I have never forgotten that those kids kept me alive, literally. I even told them when they were older about that. To this day, they are alive and appear to be thriving. I don't live in the same state as either of them, but they both came to Mom's house at a time when they needed help, and I was able to talk with them and get to know them better. Also, something I hadn't foreseen: I was able to help two online friends by recognizing (in private chats) that they were that low. And I was bale to help my little sister, who actually told me that she wanted to drive into a telephone pole but didn't want to leave her husband and kids without a means of support. I told her to talk to her husband, but she insisted she didn't want him to know she was suicidal. I told her that he would already know it. I heard a couple weeks alter that he finally broke down and told her he thought she was suicidal. She was stunned he had noticed. Apparently that opened the gates and they talked and she began to heal: finding out that her husband could see her pain and wanted to help. My advice? If you see someone struggle, reach out to them! Don't wait for them to reach out. They may never do it. Many times they want someone to notice and tell them they are worth noticing. Not for "attention", but for actual self worth.
@kaedatiger
@kaedatiger 3 жыл бұрын
Part of why I'm still alive is that I don't want to disappoint my cat. And I second your advice to reach out to people who are struggling. A lot of people going through that don't reach for a number of reasons. Maybe their trust is too fragile. Maybe they have reached out before and got an insensitive response. Taking the burden off of them while giving them support is a huge relief.
@ambergrislo1070
@ambergrislo1070 3 жыл бұрын
@@kaedatiger I have an ex friend who I feel is spiraling but she pushes me and our friends away we feel like we are imposing and I just let her go as a friend our friend was always fun but toxic I love her deeply but she wants nothing to do with any of us
@forger42
@forger42 3 жыл бұрын
That last bit made me cry a little. I want to be noticed for being in pain, but I don't want to bother anyone with it. Don't worry, I'm in pain, but I'm not suicidal. It's just been a really tough year, like it has been for many people, and for many it's even much worse than I have it.
@oougahersharr
@oougahersharr 3 жыл бұрын
@@forger42 Huggles. I wish I could help your year, and future, be better. I may be a stranger, but we are all human here and no one deserves pain. You sound like you are struggling, but know that it will get better. Maybe not right away, maybe not a big leap, but it will get better. Huggles.
@forger42
@forger42 3 жыл бұрын
@@oougahersharr Thanks
@MascottDeepfriar
@MascottDeepfriar 3 жыл бұрын
The increased light and blowout feeling of Miranda colony always made me think of the over sterilized white washing concept. As they get closer to this dirty secret things get overly sterilized and hidden by the "light" of the alliance.
@CinemaTherapyShow
@CinemaTherapyShow 3 жыл бұрын
Ooh, excellent insight! Hadn't thought of it that way before.
@marisp2588
@marisp2588 3 жыл бұрын
The tea is HOT
@kiwibug07
@kiwibug07 3 жыл бұрын
that’s exactly what i always thought too. i mean you see it in the show too any time they go to a place run by the alliance it’s very bright and sterile. like the brighter it is the more you can hide the shadows so it would make sense that when they are finding their dark secret it would be uncomfortably bright because there’s more to hide there.
@mranster
@mranster 3 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah. And the pain and bitterness in Mal's voice when he says that they thought they could make people *better.* He's a man who is on very good terms with his dark side, even when he isn't entirely happy about it. "This is what I do, darlin. This is what I do." He knows how hard it is to live with no illusions, and he has fear and contempt for those who are all illusion.
@studioyokai
@studioyokai 3 жыл бұрын
Oh yes, absolutely. Especially when you contrast it the bright whites and cold blues of the Alliance-related and Miranda scenes, with like, the warm, earthy tones of the other sections, like stuff set on the ship in the original series was usually lit pretty warmly and IIRC this was kept in the film, even though a lot of it was, as I saw one fan refer to it "overwhelmingly blue" - parts of it definitely are, but I think those cold tones are very deliberate and used to excellent effect. Like, the scenes where we see River in the labs getting stuck with needles all over while she's restrained? I believe those had very overwhelmingly cold, dominantly blue lighting, which I mean... fear is a literally "cold" emotion (a sensation caused by IIRC blood pulling away from the skin and towards the internal organs), and so is despair. She feels scared and helpless in those scenes, and the men doing experiments on her are absolutely cold and calculating, and their coldness itself, their indifference to her pain and fear, is meant to be emotionally chilling and horrifying to us, it's inhumane. The series and the film were very much always about humanity -- the horror and cold brutality of those who treat humans like they're no more than meat-based machines, to be toyed with or used or discarded at will, vs the very human protagonists, who are flawed and messy but even the most aggressive of them has the capacity for empathy and sympathy, who are capable of the "warmth" we associate with actually trying to understand and care for others. The series was always about the value of the family you make, and weirdly I think contrasting it with the Alliance worked really well because of the stark difference between people in the Alliance who allow themselves to become or treat others as cogs in a machine, vs people who saw people as, well... people. Like Mal does. Like Simon does. Like Kaylee and Inara and Book and all of them do. Gosh, I have feelings all of a sudden. I haven't seen the series or the film in literally years I think but got super choked up at Summer's scenes in this video. Jonathan in this video is... that that is. That is a MOOD, I always forget just how AFFECTING she is in this film.
@Monicalia
@Monicalia Жыл бұрын
''if you love someone that took their own life, it doesn't mean you weren't important enough. It's to say the illness overtook them. And generally speaking they fought as long as they could.'' Jonathan, thank you for these words. You have no idea how much they mean to me. I occasionally return to this video to listen to you say this. I think this must be my favorite quote from this channel.
@kyze8284
@kyze8284 6 ай бұрын
Absolutely. Our foundation friend didn’t really show any signs, they were holding together like an old foundation does. The weight of the building above holds everything together but when you remove the building, the foundation crumbles away. They helped us through so much and that was their purpose. They felt we didn’t need them anymore because we didn’t need that support and they just, crumbled. The most haunting part is actually something I gleamed from these gentlemen’s analysis of Black Widow’s sacrifice. It wasn’t that they wanted to die, it’s that they were at peace so finally COULD. We just weren’t paying attention enough to realize what was happening those final days until it was too late
@georginataylor3802
@georginataylor3802 3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, I can relate all too well to River's PTSD and her symptoms. It can be very real as if you are living it at that moment and your present self ceases to exist or be a part of your conscience. It's paralyzing, you can't run, you can't scream, you can't move and then everything just rushes you all at once like a freight train.
@CinemaTherapyShow
@CinemaTherapyShow 3 жыл бұрын
Bless you, Georgina. You've been through hell. Thank you for being here with us to make a difference with your experience and insights.
@tanadarko6991
@tanadarko6991 3 жыл бұрын
I love seeing a really well-done movie that can do PTSD... it's a rare thing. But the stories we tell are so valuable. If you're into gaming and don't mind leaning into your triggers check out "Hellblade - Senua's Sacrifice" wherin the hero has several serious mental illnesses including PTSD. It's dark but also weirdly hopeful? Because she's not just some victim, too broken to matter. Like River.
@veramae4098
@veramae4098 Жыл бұрын
Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.
@marisp2588
@marisp2588 3 жыл бұрын
I need therapy after watching Firefly for the first time and realizing it was canceled after one season 😭
@CinemaTherapyShow
@CinemaTherapyShow 3 жыл бұрын
We feel this to our bones.
@ambergrislo1070
@ambergrislo1070 3 жыл бұрын
@@CinemaTherapyShow it was before it’s time . Today that series would be so welcomed
@merlynfereira1463
@merlynfereira1463 3 жыл бұрын
Oh no wth. This is what I hate
@Sincyn241
@Sincyn241 3 жыл бұрын
@@sneescampers Dollhouse was amazing. There was so much potential. I’m just grateful that they managed to wrap some of it up in the last episodes. It would have been haunting to have it just stop.
@Hardwoman1
@Hardwoman1 2 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the club, and I mean that literally. ❤
@mistybenefield5796
@mistybenefield5796 3 жыл бұрын
River doesn't demonstrate avoidance because she can't. Firefly revealed that the Alliance had manipulated her brain so that she was unable to block out pain or fear or memory.
@darrekworkman8685
@darrekworkman8685 2 жыл бұрын
That is a misconception of avoidance that is kind of interesting. Your are correct in that River wasn't the one doing the 'avoidance', it was everyone else.
@aidancampbell5644
@aidancampbell5644 3 жыл бұрын
I came to Firefly via Serenity. Cancelling Firefly was one of the biggest mistakes Fox ever made.
@DeMause
@DeMause 3 жыл бұрын
"You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain". Firefly was lucky enough to get the former.
@StrawberryGalore
@StrawberryGalore 3 жыл бұрын
@@DeMause goddammit that's poetic.
@DeMause
@DeMause 3 жыл бұрын
@@StrawberryGalore I don't even remember what it is I'm quoting lol.
@SheWhoWalksSilently
@SheWhoWalksSilently 3 жыл бұрын
@@DeMause I feel like it’s from The Dark Knight.
@jdprettynails
@jdprettynails 3 жыл бұрын
@@SheWhoWalksSilently It is!
@wdrewjr
@wdrewjr 3 жыл бұрын
When you mentioned the one element of PTSD she doesn't display it reminded me of this scene from Firefly: Simon : [horrified] They did it over... and over. They stripped her amygdala. Jayne : Her what? Simon : You know uh, you know how you get... scared, or, or worried or nervous when you don't want to be scared or worried or nervous; you push it to the back of your mind, you try not to think about it. Your amygdala is what lets you do that, it's like a, a filter in your brain that keeps your feelings in check... She feels *everything*, she can't not.
@erikwilliams1562
@erikwilliams1562 Жыл бұрын
Jesus....
@GreyMinerva
@GreyMinerva 3 жыл бұрын
I also feel like her "I'm all right" is the climax of chasing this hidden truth and the pain waiting there, and now she's THERE and she's faced the Big Dark Secret and it doesn't break her or destroy her - she's still here. Still standing. Perhaps even standing a bit taller. She didn't know what it would do to her. But she's all right. For a River-scale level of "right", at least. ;)
@andreevatheory
@andreevatheory 3 жыл бұрын
Perhaps even standing a bit taller. Oh that’s it. You captured it so well. I’m going through smth similar this month. A big final revelation about my trauma didn’t destroy me surprisingly. Quite the opposite. I see clearer now and feel stronger than ever before.
@teayabrown3924
@teayabrown3924 3 жыл бұрын
Sometimes, the illness convinces you that no one will be sad. Not even for a few weeks. You are the first person who admitted to not having those thoughts and being angry when a suicidal person is called weak. And I know I've said it myself a million times but I never thought that I needed someone who didn't understand to say that. Thank you so much.
@jdprettynails
@jdprettynails 3 жыл бұрын
I cried my eyes out when he said that. It really means a lot to me because I've had those thoughts and the voice in my head gets REALLY convincing when it tells me that I'm selfish and a burden for staying alive.
@SabiLewSounds
@SabiLewSounds 2 жыл бұрын
Now I cry reading this bc I know the voice too... Ty both and you are not alone...
@Ona1979
@Ona1979 3 жыл бұрын
I used to identify with this character a lot. I am a survivor of severe childhood neglect and abuse. My father was violent and sexuality abusive and my mother has Munchausen By Proxy personality disorder and psychopathic traits. When she didn't want to play with me or use me to get attention and admiration from others, she could be violent, sadistic or indifferent to my needs and suffering. I have Disassociative Identity Disorder and complex PTSD. I have also survived a lot of domestic violence. I used to wish that someone would come along, love me protect me and take care of me. I was conditioned to believe that I could never take care of myself, that I was lucky that I had my family loved me, because I was such a burden. I wasn't allowed to display signs of physical or emotional distress. I wasn't allowed to be angry with my father no matter what he did to me, so I turned on myself. I tried to kill myself so many times. I'd always heard family members say that suicide was such a selfish act, but I just wanted the pain to stop and I thought that was the only way out. My parent's behavior didn't change. I called my father from the psychiatrist hospital after an attempt and he told me that it was my fault that my husband broke his knee, because he was riding his bike home from the hospital after I tried to kill myself. My husband was devoted and pampered me, but it was always on his terms. He told me that it was his right as my husband to see me in form fitting feminine clothing, even after I told him that I hated wearing the kind of clothing that he wanted to see me in. He got angry at me when I ate at my parent's house, because it made him look like a bad provider. I wasn't allowed to borrow money from anyone for the same reason. He had spent time in prison for armed robbery and told me that if a police officer pulled him over, that he was going to make a run for it and shoot it out even if it ended in his death, because he never wanted to go back to prison. He said that he would do this, even if I was in the seat next to him. He always kept a huge gun under the seat of his car and next to his bed. If there was any noise outside of the trailer, he would leap outside firing his gun at what ever made the noise. He was obsessed with the idea of us dying together. I was afraid for my life for 8 years. The last time he left me alone in my apartment, I packed my bags and went to a domestic violence shelter. I was terrified that he would come home early and shoot me or find some way to prevent me from ever leaving him. It was safer for me to leave town, so I transferred to a domestic violence shelter outside of the area. During my stay there, I realized that what my parents taught me about myself was wrong. I was capable, competent, strong, resourceful and able to survive without them. I won't ever give up my independence for anyone ever again. I am in therapy and finally able to be honest with mental health professionals and what has happened to me. My childhood was horrifying and my father told me that I wasn't allowed to talk about it, even though I told him that I would end up killing myself if I couldn't talk about it with anyone. He said that if I did that I would destroy my family. For the first time in my life, I am putting mental health before the my father's freedom and public image. I feel like I am healing. No one should have told me not to talk about my trauma.
@kaedatiger
@kaedatiger 3 жыл бұрын
Selflessness is just as harmful as selfishness when the two are not in proper balance. Putting yourself first in that situation is the only right thing to do, and I'm glad you were able to make a change for the better.
@julietardos5044
@julietardos5044 3 жыл бұрын
(((((((((Ona Ari)))))))))
@Ona1979
@Ona1979 3 жыл бұрын
@@kaedatiger until I left the situation, complete selflessness was the only way to survive. If I put my interests before my father's, he could become violent and I could be hurt. If I put my needs before my mother's, when I was little, I wouldn't have been fed and she may have responded with violence.
@kaedatiger
@kaedatiger 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ona1979 You were doing your best in a situation where you had no power or resources or maturity. Although I had parents who were toxic is a different way, I relate to how these coping mechanisms are purely a survival strategy. I know I had to learn selfishness as an adult and it's one of the hardest things I ever had to do. But at least now that I'm grown I can hear how absurd it is when my mom tries to guilt trip me for putting my needs over someone else's wants. All this to say please don't ever feel guilty for putting yourself first. I wasn't meaning to make you feel judged before.
@Ona1979
@Ona1979 3 жыл бұрын
@@kaedatiger I didn't realize that I had Stockholm syndrome until about a year ago. If a person hasn't suffered from it, it can be hard to understand. Until a year ago, I would have ended my life rather than go against my parents and they would have expected that of me. My family is a lot like a cult. They demand unconditional obedience and devotion from the children they have raised. I am finally, unapologetically putting myself first. It was so hard to break that conditioning. Thank you so much for the encouragement.
@nos5915
@nos5915 3 жыл бұрын
i accidentally skipped back during the intro so i skipped forwards again and the missed audio was timed perfectly so it just said "welcome to therapy" without even an audio stutter and i'm just like thank you good sirs
@CinemaTherapyShow
@CinemaTherapyShow 3 жыл бұрын
You’re our new favorite. These comments are totally making our day! Seriously. You’re great.
@scarlettskipper9352
@scarlettskipper9352 2 жыл бұрын
"Accuse them of being weak or selfish, and I will explode." That made me cry. As a suicide survivor who had a friend abandon me because of my attempt, I can't thank you enough for this. Thank you for being so understanding.
@kelseymoretto
@kelseymoretto 3 жыл бұрын
I love that throughout he used language like “their brain convinced them” “their mental illness is telling them” which I think is language we need to use more often. That’s what it’s like for me with depression. There’s the voice inside your head, like an instinctive emotional response that you then have to fight against. It’s almost like I can literally have 2 dialogues going in mind, my mental illness vs my conscious rational thought.
@mandyjohnson6367
@mandyjohnson6367 3 жыл бұрын
I know this whole video is about coping with River's trauma - but one of my favorite exchanges is in the penultimate scene, between Zoe and Mal: Mal: Think she'll hold together? Zoe: She's tore up plenty, but she'll fly true. Such understated connection and unspoken support between fellow soldiers recognizing loss.
@TokyoBlue587
@TokyoBlue587 10 ай бұрын
I liked that line too. They’re talking about the ship but really of course they’re talking about losing Wash.
@kyze8284
@kyze8284 6 ай бұрын
Told someone I got into Firefly and Serenity that Zoe is the backbone. “She gets emotional only once, and you’ll probably cry right before she breaks down.” I really should ask if they’ve gotten all the way through now
@IceMetalPunk
@IceMetalPunk 3 жыл бұрын
I think the brightening lights in the movie are even more symbolic than just discomfort. Brightness/sunlight are often associated with joy and calm -- with serenity, you might say -- and as we get closer to Miranda, things start getting brighter, as if to suggest we're almost at the point where they can find that serenity once they solve the mystery. But when they finally get there, the lights don't stop brightening; in fact, they get so bright that, as you said, they're uncomfortable and disconcerting. As if symbolizing that it was the peace and calm itself that became harmful -- which is exactly what the Pax drug was about.
@KoriMasho
@KoriMasho 3 жыл бұрын
"I aim to misbehave." Still my favorite line. But seriously. When she's fighting, River's dancing, and it's freaking amazing.
@kaedatiger
@kaedatiger 3 жыл бұрын
I know people are talking about the line "I'm alright" in the context of her being validated, and I think that's correct, but I also can't help but think that she also feels better because she just vomited. Like she's been carrying this feeling around in her stomach and finally got rid of it in a visceral way.
@ryppt
@ryppt 2 жыл бұрын
And the next line reveals that the voices of Miranda have been heard and are quiet. River is 'all right' because her psychic/empathic pain has lessened.
@neomp5
@neomp5 3 жыл бұрын
one line I'm surprised you didn't address that really sums up depression in my experience: "Wǒ xiǎng mèi ěr, mèixīn, biàn shítou (I want to darken my ears and heart and become a stone) Please, God, make me a stone."
@Vesperitis
@Vesperitis 2 жыл бұрын
The more literal translation is "I wish to have no ears, no heart, to become a stone."
@neomp5
@neomp5 2 жыл бұрын
@@Vesperitis this translation is the english that was written by Whedon before translating it into mandarin
@thatonedragonwriter
@thatonedragonwriter 3 жыл бұрын
I always thought Miranda was insufferably lit/bright/white because it was emphasizing that the motivation was to drive out human darkness - make humans less aggressive and more peaceful. That's usually a "good" thing, but even good things can be bad when you force it on people or take it too far, hence too much light on the planet where everyone became so peaceful they just laid down and died.
@hortencepauni9704
@hortencepauni9704 3 жыл бұрын
"When you face the things you're afraid of, they cease to have power over you." I love that!
@jdprettynails
@jdprettynails 3 жыл бұрын
Oh wow...I just realised how much I want them to talk about Labyrinth now.
@PrettyBoyKii
@PrettyBoyKii 2 жыл бұрын
I remember working at the local cinema when this movie first came out. Alan Tudyk is just amazing in everything he's in. He really is such an underrated character actor.
@stacyclark8590
@stacyclark8590 Жыл бұрын
He's phenomenal in Resident Alien
@necrosunderground
@necrosunderground 7 ай бұрын
He is truly a leaf on the wind. I hate myself for that...
@sassianne11
@sassianne11 3 жыл бұрын
i guess this is a sign that i should rewatch firefly again... and then get mad that it got cancelled... again...
@bluedingo1186
@bluedingo1186 2 жыл бұрын
(Fairly Odd Parents meme) Dad: (gesturing to empty pedestal) "And here's where I would put my 2nd season of Firefly.... IF I HAD ONE!!!"
@joejoelesh1197
@joejoelesh1197 3 жыл бұрын
Firefly and, to a lesser extent, Serenity helped me deal with my own traumas. Seeing that Captain Reynolds could become a functional member of society and be loved by someone really helped me.
@danielwilliamson6180
@danielwilliamson6180 3 жыл бұрын
4:04 Summer Glau's acting in that scene was incredible.
@CinemaTherapyShow
@CinemaTherapyShow 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@danielwilliamson6180
@danielwilliamson6180 3 жыл бұрын
@@CinemaTherapyShow I've got the scene on my channel.
@crystaldottir
@crystaldottir 3 жыл бұрын
Joss Whedon said that he designed the whole Serenity ship to fulfill his image of Summer up on the catwalk looking down at people talking about her and he designed the whole "Serenity" movie to justify the shot of River with the weapons when the door irises back open after the fight. He also says that Summer Glau was very good at suggesting how to use her ballet skills in combat.
@sean_mccadden
@sean_mccadden 3 жыл бұрын
Summer Glau even as a newer actor at the time did such an incredible job portraying such a complex character. Seriously oscar worthy!
@georginataylor3802
@georginataylor3802 3 жыл бұрын
I really loved this series and the movie. It was really sad when they cancelled the series.
@CinemaTherapyShow
@CinemaTherapyShow 3 жыл бұрын
Jonathan here. I didn't even know it existed at the time. Retroactively I'm devastated.
@liveactionlink8736
@liveactionlink8736 3 жыл бұрын
After watching the whole series and movie nearly a dozen times, I never quite realized how much Summer (River) incorporates her real life profession of dance into her fight scenes until now. Her fighting is like a very brutal ballet
@derekclear3913
@derekclear3913 3 жыл бұрын
Note. Jayne was the one that says "turn it off"
@beckymurphy4714
@beckymurphy4714 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I thought that was a pretty important moment. Jayne - the quintessential "male" - cracks in that moment. I'd love a whole series analyzing all the characters.
@elenachristian9860
@elenachristian9860 Жыл бұрын
Jayne was still very human. Not very bright and prone to solving problems with a big stick, but human.
@metro121482
@metro121482 3 ай бұрын
They never addressed it directly in the show or movie, but if you know to look for it, you see that Jayne often has one of the more visceral reactions to the Reavers. Everyone is afraid of them, but Jayne's reactions stand out. My theory, (100% speculation, I have nothing concrete to back it up,) is that if the series had continued, we would find out something in Jayne's backstory that explained this. Possibly some event in his childhood or adolescence involving Reavers, maybe having lost someone that way, or ending up in a situation where he saw the aftermath of a Reaver attack...who knows. But if you know to look for it, any episode of the show or scene in the film where Reavers are mentioned or show up, Jayne has a fearful, visceral reaction that seems almost out of character, but still subtle enough not to be noticed. Or maybe I've just watched Firefly and Serenity too many times!
@JosetteFret93
@JosetteFret93 2 жыл бұрын
I think at one point in the show they confirm that River feels everything, both from herself and those around her, all the time and she can’t turn it off.
@TerraUmbraVampWriter
@TerraUmbraVampWriter 3 жыл бұрын
That scene where River is fighting the Reevers. I cannot stop crying every single time I see it. It pulls so much emotion out of me, and reaches me so deeply. Her story of trauma and recovery has always touched me, and I see her in me.
@athenatheshewolf
@athenatheshewolf 3 жыл бұрын
I teared up because... Yes we want someone to understand in a moment like that but someone who can be gentle and pull us close when everyone else pushes or runs away? Ugh man. That's just as good. That means EVERYTHING.
@danielwilliamson6180
@danielwilliamson6180 3 жыл бұрын
I have Asperger syndrome and I can relate and sympathize with River Tam.
@CinemaTherapyShow
@CinemaTherapyShow 3 жыл бұрын
So glad you've joined us here.
@AspieMediaBobby
@AspieMediaBobby 3 жыл бұрын
Same.
@ThePodVon
@ThePodVon 3 жыл бұрын
Too bright, too loud, and too broken - and that is the world, not River. I relate for the same reason. Her reactions are perfectly logical - she simply struggles to grasp just how little others see/comprehend.
@danconnors9572
@danconnors9572 3 жыл бұрын
Same
@kayisfish
@kayisfish 3 жыл бұрын
My youngest, if he had've been a girl at birth, was going to be named River. After both River Tam and River Song. Two of the most bada$$ and elegant women ever on screen.
@AryonaSamoto
@AryonaSamoto 3 жыл бұрын
How I wish I grew up with someone who showed the kind of empathy your speaking about. My grandpa was the only person but my family told me not to tell him anything(bad trauma) because it would kill him. Being an empathetic child I kept quiet. He died never knowing. I accept my childhood but it's really hard to accept the unfairness. That's my biggest struggle now is accepting the unfairness of life towards so many innocents.
@lemurlover7975
@lemurlover7975 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe you can get them to tell you. You can be their person. Have you ever considered becoming a CASA volunteer?
@AryonaSamoto
@AryonaSamoto 3 жыл бұрын
@@lemurlover7975 I thought about it a long time ago but I never thought about it again after my mom convinced me to be afraid to help. I'll have to think about it now that I'm distancing myself from my family. Thank you for reminding me that I have options like these.
@ceridwenaeradwr8105
@ceridwenaeradwr8105 3 жыл бұрын
Dear god, I ended up outright sobbing through a surprisingly large chunk of this episode. Been a long time fan of Firefly and Serenity, but never made the connection & parallels with my own depression & anxiety. I think you guys just became my new favourite youtube channel.
@kyrasdaddycc
@kyrasdaddycc 2 жыл бұрын
Finally, someone who is a therapist says it... "...if someone takes their life, and you accuse someone of being weak or selfish..." I cannot say how many times I've had this discussion with people... Super important.
@fishoutofwater-flop-flopfl7171
@fishoutofwater-flop-flopfl7171 3 жыл бұрын
Just found your channel and I am on a binging spree right now. This movie seems really interesting and I just want to thank you for making this review and introducing it to me.
@CinemaTherapyShow
@CinemaTherapyShow 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoy it! The TV series Firefly that kicks it all off is worth a watch, as is (we think) our other episode on this movie. Hope you like it all!
@fishoutofwater-flop-flopfl7171
@fishoutofwater-flop-flopfl7171 3 жыл бұрын
@@CinemaTherapyShow Just finished the movie and it was as great as you introduced it to me, I will definitely check firefly out! Thank you again!!! Sending lots of hearts support for your channel
@marisp2588
@marisp2588 3 жыл бұрын
Watch Firefly and then watch Serenity again after and it will have so much more weight and emotions after you get to know the characters and their stories
@kayisfish
@kayisfish 3 жыл бұрын
I am also watching all of these videos! And firefly is my favourite show!
@maryy_4162
@maryy_4162 3 жыл бұрын
Same
@leilenberg4744
@leilenberg4744 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. I wish I could hug you both. I’ve spent a lot of time in treatment for suicide prevention and PTSD, among other things. Trauma is hard to get over and many every day things can bring on an episode that leaves me completely undone. I gave a speech last year at an event and I remember saying “I was not weak. I was not overly sensitive. I was tired. Tired of waking up to fight the same demons I went to sleep with the night before. I was tired of being tired in a way sleep couldn’t fix.” People don’t realize the strength it takes to live with mental illness. The understanding simply isn’t there. Thank you for defending all of us who struggle every day. We are not weak. We are not selfish. But we are misunderstood. Love your channel. Thank you for bringing attention to matters society so often ignores.
@narpassword5675
@narpassword5675 2 жыл бұрын
This hits home. I lost my father to depression after he battled it for decades. He finally got to the point where he said he was done trying to fight it. My mother is an absolute warrior for helping him as much as she did. Every day was a battle, and she never stopped--even when he did.
@azul4904
@azul4904 3 жыл бұрын
having a friendship like this guys do is THE life goal❤️
@LeLu1616
@LeLu1616 3 жыл бұрын
"Who's flying this thing?" ... I absolutely loved Firefly when it was on TV so long ago, I still binge watch it now when I get the chance. "Objects in Space" is my favorite episode. Glad I found the channel. This video and the "Inside Out" video were great to watch. Your explanations are very relatable.
@CinemaTherapyShow
@CinemaTherapyShow 3 жыл бұрын
It's so good! We're going to do every single episode of Firefly at some point. Probably won't do much else from TV, but we're just a couple of old Browncoats...
@laurashepherd2479
@laurashepherd2479 3 жыл бұрын
@@CinemaTherapyShow that would be amazing! Just found your channel (laughed my way through the Twilight vids) and love Firefly 😊
@deathwitheponine
@deathwitheponine 3 жыл бұрын
@@CinemaTherapyShow oooh count me in for that!!!
@deathwitheponine
@deathwitheponine 3 жыл бұрын
I see your Leeloo avi! Objects in Space is a great episode. I also really liked Out of Gas.
@MuricaTurkey
@MuricaTurkey 2 жыл бұрын
It's not just that River sees a way forward after everyone finds out what happened on Miranda, it's that she's not alone with the knowledge. It's lifted a giant burden off her soul/brain. Speaking from personal experience, sharing the facts around my trauma from childhood and early adulthood with others was a huge release. For years, I was forced to keep quiet by my parents out of (their) embarrassment and fear of judgment (they allowed a family member to abuse me, and let it continue, and when I was raped by a BF in early adulthood my mother called me a liar and warned me I better not tell anyone because I would look stupid and slutty). When I finally told friends and others in my family about the trauma, my parents got angry at me. Accusing me of attention seeking, even trying to gaslight me about it, blame me (I was 8-13, ffs. No. I wasn't "asking" for it. No matter the age, but especially not at those ages), saying I was a drama queen just looking for attention. No. It was because the horror and terror of it all was crushing my soul. I literally had chronic nausea, headaches, the worst nightmares you can imagine. It continued to fester for 30 years. It caused sexual function issues as an adult, to where I sought out (unconsciously) sexually abusive partners. And when I did somehow find a good partner (damn, was that lucky!), I couldn't relax and just BE. I'm 40 now and I'm JUST now dealing with the repressed memories, damage, anger, RAGE really, about having to 1.survive after being violated by family 2.Somehow feel livable and worthy of life after my parents sold me out to a sexual sadist for some reason (Honestly, probably drugs, since I found out recently that was why they were taking me to that damn house, over and over. Our cousin was their drug hook up) and 3. Told that it was my fault anyway and that if ANYONE found out, I'd have destroyed our family. That to keep the peace and not destroy "everything" I better keep my mouth shut about it. I had to hold that secret, that information (that my parents wouldn't protect me and didn't love me enough to even try), AND continue to be molested for YEARS. Just holding that crushed me. When I shared it with people who cared, it lifted the burden. I felt, suddenly, for the 1st time in 30 something years, like I could eat without almost vomiting. This movie moved me in a way it didn't for the friends I saw it with. I understand River in a way that was a little too deep. And at the time, I couldn't explain because of shame, confusion, and terror. Which, of course, just made it effect me more. It was a confusing spiral of emotions. I'm real mad at Joss Whedon the person, but Joss Whedon the writer/director is very talented. Get help, Joss lol
@malirabbit6228
@malirabbit6228 Жыл бұрын
Live long and prosper!
@kellygioja7094
@kellygioja7094 3 жыл бұрын
The light is like the icarus story. The closer we get to the sun, the more we get burned by its brilliance. And is perfection a good thing?
@chibiktsn3
@chibiktsn3 3 жыл бұрын
It's one of my favorite TV shows. My now-husband introduced it to me when we were dating early on in college, and it holds a special place in our hearts.
@ivaketiv
@ivaketiv Жыл бұрын
Me too!
@sheldon3821
@sheldon3821 3 жыл бұрын
Unrelated: They just grew 200 subs in the past half hour. At this rate they'll have 100k in like 9 days.
@manach1643
@manach1643 3 жыл бұрын
Last night i subbed it was at 79k currently it’s 88k!
@senajabeen1076
@senajabeen1076 3 жыл бұрын
They almost at 100k. 95k atm
@citron666
@citron666 3 жыл бұрын
@@senajabeen1076 101k now!
@jayne_dough97
@jayne_dough97 3 жыл бұрын
Already up to 112k, how did so many people find them in the last couple days
@illogicalparadox6343
@illogicalparadox6343 3 жыл бұрын
@@jayne_dough97 Who cares, y'know? They're great.
@alyssaparsons8364
@alyssaparsons8364 2 жыл бұрын
My teacher in grade 8 introduced me to this show, and I can’t thank him enough for it. I was born in 2001, so I didn’t get to see it as it aired. But this show is something else
@BreatheFlame
@BreatheFlame 3 жыл бұрын
I always thought they blew out Miranda to make it sterile. Like there was no room for even the little darknesses and flaws of humanity.
@clairobics
@clairobics 3 жыл бұрын
I have not (yet perhaps) seen this film, but I can relate to the 'warrior' role of beating the *** of trauma as a childhood abuse survivor, through facing it head on and healing it everyday all day, all life long - empathy, faith, resilience and strength - the gaslighting and emotions analysis you did through Tangled and Inside Out works into this with secondary abuse whn family of origina don't believe you and all I can say is there are many who do not speak their truth but carry their cross daily but one day all truth will be known and all tears will be wiped away x
@CinemaTherapyShow
@CinemaTherapyShow 3 жыл бұрын
God bless you. So glad you're here with us. Your words resonate so strong with me. P.S. You should definitely watch this film and the series that came before it, Firefly. I deduce you're a Christian? Great Christian supporting character in this series.
@clairobics
@clairobics 3 жыл бұрын
@@CinemaTherapyShow Yes - God bless you too - thankyou for educating the general public about complex trauma survivors and PTSD - When we get to the point where those of us facing the trauma and doing the healing work are not seen as 'the problem' and those in denial, ignoring and colluding with the perps, including about 80-% of society, wake up and see they're part in the problem, there may be some healing on a larger scale? It can't be (but it is) 40% of the population being the brave ones and the rest being happy as long as they throw us under the bus and continue in denial? Whilst society continues to deny the reality of abuse as a societal problem, lumps the survivors with the perps, questions things like 'Why don't they speak up?' - but simultaneously then encourages silence and coverup collectively - while it continues not to give a 77&% then nothing will change for the innocent they 'say' they are protecting - maybe not this side of heaven - one day you will all stand before HIm - THEN all truth will out
@noemiecansier8466
@noemiecansier8466 3 жыл бұрын
When he talked about repressed memories and knowing what the trauma is but not how it got there. Yeah I felt that.
@victoriahodgdon1529
@victoriahodgdon1529 3 жыл бұрын
Jonathan's comment's about repressed memories, depression and suicide literally left me in a ball of tears. I haven't felt this seen and understood in a long time.
@pistachiospet
@pistachiospet 3 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate your sympathy for those with suicidal thoughts. I've met people in the mental health industry that would shame you for it.
@pluck8913
@pluck8913 Жыл бұрын
Everyone feels Simon was totally supportive, and he is. But everyone forgets that many on that crew supported her. Wash, Kaylie, Book, Inara, and especially Mal. All felt she was dangerous, and she was, but they didn't stop caring and support her. They all wanted to figure out how to help her.
@Michael-cf9cj
@Michael-cf9cj Жыл бұрын
Even Jayne supported her ... a little ... in his own way when Simon told him how the Alliance had screwed with her brain.
@epicureanbard
@epicureanbard 3 жыл бұрын
"Find out in the next episode which you are going to watch right now!" Damn Straight! To borrow from River, I know what he's going to say, but I like hearing him say it.
@ladyredl3210
@ladyredl3210 Жыл бұрын
I am both an empath and a trauma survivor myself. I love Firefly and I’m so glad y’all covered this.
@livdamnit6998
@livdamnit6998 Жыл бұрын
TW: This show came to me at an incredibly difficult time. I lost my job, my house, my dad, my cousin and my aunt in a short period. During that time I also learned that my brother who I trusted more than any other person abused my daughter when she was 3-5 years old. My physical and mental health crumbled. This show helped me so much. I connected with Mal's distrust of the world and Rivers trauma. It took a while but life got better (and my daughter is thriving now too) but anytime I needed it I watched the series it was there. I don't know why it was so soothing to me.
@malirabbit6228
@malirabbit6228 Жыл бұрын
To you and your daughter, please live long and prosper!
@Overseer2579
@Overseer2579 10 ай бұрын
I am so sorry about all of that! Hope you are doing well today
@BillZoeker
@BillZoeker 3 жыл бұрын
My read on the increasing light exposure would be that it represents the moral of the story. If you try to force people to be better, you'll only make them worse. Light represents a force of good(making people better), but in reality that light becomes oppressive, it overloads your senses(which is how the reavers were made). This light was meant to burn the sin out of humanity, but it instead burned the humanity out leaving only room for sin
@elenachristian9860
@elenachristian9860 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant. And it ties in with what the Operative wants--a world without sin. There is no such thing. A world without sin is a dead world.
@loverlei79
@loverlei79 3 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure If I had a therapist likethis my issues would be resloved.
@lightbending
@lightbending 3 жыл бұрын
summer glau is honestly so iconic. i think she's trained in ballet and several other forms of dance, which informs her excellent choreography *o*
@narnialover4ever
@narnialover4ever 3 жыл бұрын
As a sister of a special needs brother, I really latched on to Simon. A lot of what he went through in relation to River I experienced and the rest I saw my parents go through. Simon is amazing because he's real. He loves his sister so much and would do anything for her, but he's also frustrated and stressed out by her and for her. So many emotional nuances that I have been through. And yet he still has a personality and identity outside of her! Just *chef's kiss*
@ZainabJamaly
@ZainabJamaly 3 жыл бұрын
Now I'm sorry I watched this (both serenity reactions) before i watched the actual show and movie... still gonna watch it now !
@kaedatiger
@kaedatiger 3 жыл бұрын
They left a lot of surprises out! There's plenty left to enjoy.
@stvbrsn
@stvbrsn Жыл бұрын
Summer Glau’s performance as River Tam is one of the finest pieces of work in any discipline (and it covers quite a few: acting, dancing, parkour, fighting, running) I can think of. From her leaping out of the box screaming… right up to her piloting Serenity out of atmo for the first time. Simply perfect.
@pianoface
@pianoface 3 жыл бұрын
Sarah Paulson knows how to scream with terror, what a skill!
@jdprettynails
@jdprettynails 3 жыл бұрын
This entire vid I'm like "Where do I know that name??" I recently binge watched American Crime Story and never realised that was her! I'm also going to need to binge Ratched as soon as I'm done rewatching Firefly and Serenity...again!
@Hello_Gorgeous
@Hello_Gorgeous 3 жыл бұрын
As someone who was literally just talking to a therapist about having PTSD I really appreciate your compassion and understanding about it. It means a lot.
@KirkMoss
@KirkMoss 3 жыл бұрын
Also.. as someone with a loved one who recently made a surprising life-ending decision, I couldn’t appreciate more the comments about the strength of the fighter (even if they lost) and the comfort that it doesn’t mean they decided you weren’t worth fighting for enough.
@dottydarling01
@dottydarling01 3 жыл бұрын
Suddenly, someone is cutting onions in the room. I always felt guilty for living for my kids and husband; instead innately wanting to live like a "normal" person. You made realize that it is okay. Thank you
@angel6017
@angel6017 2 жыл бұрын
Firefly is my comfort show and Serenity is my comfort movie. I grew up watching this and I loved the chemistry between everyone.
@TheresaMc98
@TheresaMc98 3 жыл бұрын
I went thru a long period of trauma in my early childhood and have repressed memories from it. It's such a strange feeling. I described to to my therapist like those unlockable cutsceans and artifacts in vido games, you know, where there the whole big list with difrent items and then blanked out places. I rember the feelings, I rember hurting so so much but I cant rember why or how or where or who did it... I dont think I want to rember at this point
@HELLinaaaa
@HELLinaaaa 3 жыл бұрын
Tracing my triggers changed my life and unlocked the gridlock in my brain. It could be a sensation, a song, even a place, the body remembers.
@RougeOso
@RougeOso 3 жыл бұрын
Listen to them and go watch Firely & Serenity Summer Glau is the most underrated actress. She is a rockstar
@grantpflum6844
@grantpflum6844 3 жыл бұрын
River and Simon were really the heart of Firefly. Mal was the hero, but those two were the humanity.
@drtaverner
@drtaverner Жыл бұрын
I can't count how many times my PTSD has said checking out is the only option. It's only keeping a list of ppl that it would hurt that keeps me enduring through those moments.
@DodonaWind
@DodonaWind 3 жыл бұрын
Where on earth did you find that shirt with the Fruity Oaty Bar?! That's insane! I never knew they even made anything like that!
@christinabo63
@christinabo63 3 жыл бұрын
I'd love for you to take a look at the "How to train your dragon" trilogy. Maybe with the focus on friendship, personal growth and saying goodbye to people to allow/enable them to grow. Watching Hickup say goodbye to Toothless was as heartbreaking as loosing Iron Man and Black Widow 💔
@mladyhazel
@mladyhazel 3 жыл бұрын
a note from my own internal battle with mental health: I thought the pain would never end no matter what I did or tried. Yet, my logical self said there is no way you could have experienced everything that would help because you haven't experienced everything in the world. My logical self talked my emotional self into realizing that it was okay to feel bad but that there were so many opportunities that I could explore to try to feel better. At that moment, my emotional and logical selves made a deal: I wouldn't move forward with pursuing suicide until I had tried everything I ever could to feel better (within reason, not drugs etc.) and experience more of life out there. This internal conversation and whole self acceptance of the pain I was feeling, especially in the face of not feeling I had that from the outside, was the most powerful therapeutic tool I had ever used. Not the psychotropics, but the will to accept myself for who I was then and that I knew I could keep trying even if I didn't always find the "fix" to the pain. In the face of so much emotional pain, it's healthy to try to throw some logic into it and talk yourself through those feelings. Talking through things with yourself is very, very healthy and I would recommend it to everyone who feels alone, not heard, and not understood. You are your own best friend and you can listen to yourself with love and compassion.
@heathriley3692
@heathriley3692 3 жыл бұрын
Re: the dark to the washed-out light. I always saw this as a visual reinforcement of them leaving the warm comfort of being 'in the dark' and approaching the harsh reality that River's been trapped in.
@lemurlover7975
@lemurlover7975 3 жыл бұрын
This movie looks really good and relatable since I have PTSD after surviving 3 decades of human trafficking. I don't really go around trying to shoot people, but I do remember being shot at, and being chased by people brandishing knives. I've always been a pacifist. I ran away and I climbed a lot of trees.
@elenachristian9860
@elenachristian9860 3 жыл бұрын
Im so sorry.
@keybladewizard49
@keybladewizard49 3 жыл бұрын
A few comments on what they've said so far: Part of what I've always seen in the head turn at Mal's "I think you're a person" is partially that... wait, you do? because I don't sometimes. Part of why she cocked the gun. Testing his belief. Because when you're deep in that hole.... someties you believe the voices, and someone not believing that you're awful and bad.... that can be genuinely surprising. It hurts, in a good way. Note how the moment they get into the hologram room things go back to the darkened lighting. River's anguish is relieved and the overexposure goes away. Also - darkness is Mal's comfort zone, so it makes sense that the brighter and more exposed the film is, the more uncomfortable and exposed Mal and friends feel. Part of River's "I'm okay" I feel isn't just being heard by the other crewmembers - but the realization in and of herself that she's not actually making things up. You make a big deal about how the crew believes her now, but as someone who's been in the depths, not of psychosis but of anxiety, depression, and also gaslighting, is that reaffirmation of "yes these are things I'm feeling and I'm not making it up, this memory I remember that hurt me is real" can be such a huge relief. About finding something more important - I've even seen people go "I have to take care of my cat and that's why I'm alive" and it's so honestly heartwrenching and heartwarming at the same time. I love River's "I like to hear you say it". It's one of the first times she makes a conscious and thoughtful decision in the movie. It's the first time she speaks about her preferences and not her trauma or fears. And it's a boundary in a way. It's her first time showing agency over her self and her relationships from a place of calm. "I can read your mind. But I'd prefer you say itout loud, because I like you talking to me." And also the healthy acknowledgement of her powers which was a huge issue for her during the series, too!
@lemurlover7975
@lemurlover7975 3 жыл бұрын
That's me about my cat :) and also my bunny. Which is why they ought to allow pets into shelters for women and children like they do with the organizations with Red Rover dot org. I refused to leave human trafficking to go to a shelter when adults asked me to when I was a teenager because it would mean the death of my pets and they were the only ones that stopped me from killing myself. I actually still tried to kill myself a lot, but there were a lot of days that I did not make any suicide attempts despite thinking suicidal thoughts because I felt I needed to stay alive to care for and protect my pets from being murdered by the human traffickers. The adults (teachers/other parents I told) never cared and said I was crazy to not go to a shelter and to choose my pets over myself and not just let them die and save myself. When I asked if I could just come to their house with my pets and live with them they said no or they said I can come but I have to leave my pets behind. These kinds of words just made me more suicidal. At least my pets were warm and cuddly and understanding. I was never going to break my promise to them that death was the only thing that would be able to separate the three of us, whether it was mine or theirs. I expected to die. I wanted it. I've escaped now, and they have died. One was murdered and one pet got to escape human trafficking with me except she died a few months later from cancer. I survived. I will always remember my pets and their love for me.
@bluesira
@bluesira 2 жыл бұрын
@@lemurlover7975 I am so sorry for what you went through. I am so sorry one of your beloved pets was killed. I am so glad that one made it out with you but so sad she passed away shortly after. I am glad she got have some of that life of freedom with you before the end. I am glad that YOU are free now. I am sorry about the people who would not take you in unless you left your pers behind to die. That is a very limited form of compassion. Also, people don’t realize just how important our pets are to us & how they can be our reasons for living. I am from Louisiana, and when the levees broke in New Orleans & flooded the poor neighborhoods, many people who attempted rescues found that those who were stranded refused to leave their pets behind to die in the city alone without them. They refused to be rescued because the rescuers wouldn’t take their dog or cat on board the boats. Some people would think that was selfish, but when you see an impoverished black woman in her 80s who has just lost her home & everything she owns & the only thing left in her life is the little dog shivering in her arms… I don’t know. I don’t think I could tell her to leave her dog behind. Nor could I ever judge her for not wanting to go without him. After the hurricane, I volunteered at the temporary animal shelters that were set up on Louisiana State University campus. We cared for pets that were separated from their owners & were going to be reunited asap. It was very rewarding. After Hurricane Katrina, legislature was changed to allow small pets in shelters with their owners during times of emergency relief. The people of New Orleans taught the government that family pets are important members of the family who can not & should not be left behind. I hope more shelters & programs loosen their restrictions & allow for small animals to be brought temporarily to the shelter.
@GoldenSpiderMonkey2480
@GoldenSpiderMonkey2480 3 жыл бұрын
I cannot believe that I am JUST NOW discovering this channel! I absolutely adore this movie, and I am loving your guys’ interpretation and breakdown. Your channel is one of the greatest things that’s happened to me this year (not that it’s hard with how sucky this year has been). Keep up the fantastic content!
@CinemaTherapyShow
@CinemaTherapyShow 3 жыл бұрын
Browncoats 4 Life.
@elaur73
@elaur73 3 жыл бұрын
I endured 20 years of psychological abuse, and I have so many repressed memories. I realised, watching this video, that I also seek out triggers sometimes, probably because I want to know what these memories hold. It hurts though, to find them. But it helps as well.
@lynnb2562
@lynnb2562 3 жыл бұрын
You know what I've seen every episode dozens of times I've watched the movie dozens of times, but I think I'm still going to take your advice and binge it this weekend anyway.
@kiwibug07
@kiwibug07 3 жыл бұрын
this show, it has the absolute best dialogue i have ever heard. the way they say things is an art as much as it’s meant to give information. i’m honestly so sad that Joss hasn’t gotten the opportunity or tried to do something more like this again. it’s just so... good.
@JustCallMeKopi
@JustCallMeKopi Жыл бұрын
I love that fight scene, seeing River absolutely kicking a$$. It's so satisfying seeing how her fighting isn't just connected to her getting triggered anymore and just shows it like the fight is a dance for her, "she always did love to dance". She manages to use that as her fighting technique.
@felix__93
@felix__93 Жыл бұрын
I have a soft spot for sibling love, like, with the Winchester brothers, and Simon's love for River touches me deeply. In every scene between them, especially when River has just done something out of control and Si tries to comfort her... I always gasp. He may not have the biggest character arc in the show (as I've read), but his consistency in taking care of River and protecting her makes it worth watching to me.
@dededeedles
@dededeedles 3 жыл бұрын
When you said that about kids keeping your clients from taking their own lives... that hit me hard. I said the same thing in a session when I was at my lowest. I talked about my son being my only purpose, and then I felt terrible for a while because I didn't think that was fair to put on him. It was a whole mess of self-loathing.
@kaedatiger
@kaedatiger 3 жыл бұрын
I think it is only unfair if you somehow make him responsible. Part of my motivation to stick around is that I know my cat wouldn't understand and would be devastated. The same applies to little ones who depend on you. You don't have to feel guilty for wanting to live for your son's wellbeing.
@singularity-
@singularity- 3 жыл бұрын
Firefly ❤ it's so wonderful. And can I say your goofy ending to this episode actually made me smile, and I appreciate it. I think I'll talk to my best friend now, admit how hard today was. Thanks for all you do, guys. I'm so glad I found this channel. I'm in so much debt with vet bills, and I have other medical bills now of my own, and can't afford therapy because I'm paycheck to paycheck already...but I also have some amazing friends, and videos like this to help me be more self aware and able to pick apart my feelings so I can work through them.
@ashesfalldown492
@ashesfalldown492 3 жыл бұрын
My fiance has yet to forgive me for this movie. I showed him Firefly nothing about it. He asked me seriously if I had season 2. Then we watched this together. lol. I think he has still held onto the grudge. Thank you for your kindness on suicide and those suffering. I have had suicidal ideation for two decades and it is exhausting (started when I was about ten). Hearing people who don't judge always makes me feel a but lighter
@Becca-bm8rt
@Becca-bm8rt 3 жыл бұрын
When I first watched Firefly and Serenity, I don't think I realised why River spoke to me so much. Watching it back with more awareness of my cPTSD, I think seeing her as a fellow trauma survivor was a big part of it. There's a couple of lines that went round and round my head when I first watched it. "It isn't mine! The memory it isn't mine and I shouldn't have to carry it it isn't mine!" and "Please God, make me a stone."
@valathor95
@valathor95 3 жыл бұрын
That hologram message really messes me up whenever I see it. Uhg, the sound, the fact she tried to kill herself before the reavers get to her. I have too good of an imagination. It actually makes me feel sick. It’s good but man does it mess me up.
@CinemaTherapyShow
@CinemaTherapyShow 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. The power of suggestion is staggeringly potent here. Sarah Paulson knocks it out of the park. It IS horrible, which is exactly what Mal needs to turn him back to the light.
@marisp2588
@marisp2588 3 жыл бұрын
Especially if you watched the show and know what the reavers actually do to people and it just makes the blood run cold as ice
@jdprettynails
@jdprettynails 3 жыл бұрын
@@marisp2588 The Reavers are easily the most terrifying thing in sci-fi for me. When I first heard Zoe describe what they do followed by "...and if we're very VERY lucky, they'll do it in that order." it chilled me to the bone. The Reavers were already terrifying because they're humans and they were created....by humans. I hate the Alliance so gorram much!
@kimmyyy1164
@kimmyyy1164 3 жыл бұрын
I hadn't seen the movie, I was just going through their channel basically, and that part triggered things I didn't know were there to be triggered. Writing down notes for my actual therapist O_O I'm going to watch the part where she says she's okay over and over now
@beckymurphy4714
@beckymurphy4714 3 жыл бұрын
The way River is face-to-face with the technician, like she's talking directly to her, was so brilliantly done. River is finally literally facing the truth of what was done to her and why. Everyone else is just reacting to the message, but for River it's personal. The way the others are blurred into the background, except for the occasional reaction shots, puts you in River's place - for her no one else exists in that moment.
@lizzyrank5405
@lizzyrank5405 3 жыл бұрын
The fun thing about watching this series is that when I go back to watch these movies they become more fun and exciting. Also as a non filmmaker or psychologist I can see different sides to the movies that I originally never thought of.
@teagangraybill8160
@teagangraybill8160 3 жыл бұрын
Having someone support you is key. The worst experience I ever had was when I came to my sister and told her I was suicidal, and she responded with "If you were really suicidal, you'd just do it. Stop trying to get attention." It broke me. Luckily, I now have a great support system with my spouse's family, and I'm starting on my curve back toward thriving :) I just found your videos, and they're great. Thanks guys!
@elye0987
@elye0987 7 ай бұрын
Ugh sorry you had to go through that. People just don't get it... glad you made it out and have a better support system now
@lisaholmquistanimations2436
@lisaholmquistanimations2436 3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, I had to change videos in the middle due to triggers. But I really wanted to reach out and say thank you for talking about this topic. It’s an uncommon topic to be discussed public ally and I sincerely appreciate it ❤️
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