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That tickled me !! Dana was hungry lol

If I was Dana I would be like “I said one thing!! Whatta beatchh”

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I laughed out loud at that!!

Lol

Honestly😂

Yup. Loved it so much that they made it a permanent unit for years to come🙄😂

@@nightmare_drake it do be an easy unit doe 😳

@@gavinsmith5453 meh. Do you have to follow along with the curriculum set they sell? Where you have to take the investigative notes and the police log and everything?? I agree that it’s easy, just really annoying that there’s so much work in the unit for it to be our last section of our senior year

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Al Heathers im my opinion , I think Jay was worried about the implications of what he confessed. Initially his story leaned towards distancing himself as much as possible but as time progressed and the more he co-operated with the Autho’s and he received reassurance that his co-operation would be rewarded he began revealing more info. Most likely he left out some parts(Along the lines of being on standby while the murder happened, deciding where she should be buried, getting paid.. etc) and did not need to divulge more info because Adnan denied everything anyway. Maybe he did divulge his full involvement but the Autho’s left some info off the record as a favor so he wont get jail time for more serious charges.

@ॐNeo_White _Rabbitॐ Haha you noobs! He wasnt a weirdo, he had a super good looking girlfrined, he would become a murderer and kill an INNOCENT person over her bf giving his gf a present birthday?? Lol, specially when he knows steph and adnan were super old friends, on top of that noone gave testimony of any friction between jay and adnan, youd think steph and jay wouldve fought over adnan a lot if he lost his mind so bad one day he ended killing hae...your theories are hillarious

@ॐNeo_White _Rabbitॐ ADNAN IS GUILTY!HOW MUCH PROOF DO YOU GUYS NEED? 1.It was a crime of passion, since there was no sexual assault on a beautiful young girl.So something personal, after 20 years of public scrutiny and media investigation, you'd think SOME other angle or motive would come out .But NONE. It leaves either don or adnan, and don couldnt have cuz jay knew so much including where the car is, so he wasnt bluffing. Inconsistencies in his story can be there, he's a human being with a personal life, he was tired of talking to the cops for hours and started just saying yes to their questions wthout thinking much.Secondly he admitted lying about seeing body in best buy, he actually saw it near his grandma house but back then he couldnt tell the police cuz he didnt want his grandma and family involved. 2.LOOK at adnan's reaction talking about Jay at 15th or 16th minute mark,just like in all other audio tapes, he barely sounds as angry or full of hate / resentment towards jay as ANYONE innocent would have if his very close loved one was murdered by Jay( if adnan is innocent has to jay the murderer cuz of things he knew) and leaving him spending his life in prison cuz of lies. Just listen to adnan talk, " dont wanna make accusation againts jay without proof", i was like WHAT? DUDE he killed her no innocent person would talk like that. He is just sticking to innocent because he knows his family specially mother would lose her mind with shock if he admits guilt.

i think someone else did it and that person asked him to cover for them. that jen (jennifer?) girl must've been involved too. they finally tested the dna earlier this year, none of them match adnan, neither do they match haemin, but some of it is from another female.

Ur a moron, if u make something up its easy to be consistent, Adnan is guilty af and morons like u haven't paid attention. "evidence against Adnan: the cell phone pings in Leakin Park, lying to get into Hae's car, lying about trying to get into Hae's car, his paranoid jealousy about Don, his selective amnesia, his fingerprints (and not Jay's) in Hae's car, his repeated calls to Hae on the 12th followed by never calling again, the 'I will kill' note, his behavior at Cathy's, his claim of school-track-mosque to his lawyer, etc, etc - and reasonable doubt is eliminated. The deliberations took two hours for a very good reason: this is a solid case. SK had to work very hard to create a mystery here, and one way she accomplished that was to present the case non-linearly." now stfu.

I think he got amnesty for coming out about details of the murder

Probably a secret informant. Who knows. He's stayed low the last 23 years basically

Yeah, exactly!

What about when a person gives almost no details, or gives gives a different story to the cops the day his ex GF disappears? What if the only thing he "1000 percent" remembers are crucial details that support a desperate library alibi?

Whatever.....

33:46 in the episode after this one looks like adnan is going in hard in details.... So I guess he's guilty Tina Bean

LsBrigandes On the flip side, he has probably been thinking about this day for a long time. I’m willing to bet that if he is innocent, most of these details were still fabricated from his mind filling in holes.

Profesional investigators researched and examined this case, it wasn’t Jay. It was Adnan

@@Awjikis Professional Investigators were payed by the state to cover it up, and did a hell of a bad job of it.

@@d.i.n.g.u.s but why Tf does the state care if that’s true

@@Awjikis what evidence is there against him? No fingerprint, soil, shoe print, dna. Nothing at all except jays story

@@Awjikis prove it

Motive, cell-phone evidence, Hae's diary, witness testimony, Adnan's fingerprints in her car, the lack of any sort of alibi, Adnan not testifying... almost all of the evidence points to Adnan.

@@mrjoobjoob17 yup

He thought that he was being recorded and wanted to be like hey it’s not me in that video... smh wow

MrJoobJoob but Asia was a non used alibi...

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Neeeeew Hadoop nooooo so

yeah four minutes at a minimum and often double that to fully kill a person...

exactly

Yes, I agree with your comment, but we should also note that Adnan was an EMT so he probably knew the fastest and most significant way of strangling someone.

Thank you! Lazy police work but also lazy on the podcast, it is impossible to strangle somebody that quickly. It is super hard to strangle a live body to begin with, you have to apply constant pressure, and with someone fighting this is very hard. On average it usually takes 5-6 mins to strangle a live body to death

Also if it took 4 minutes to strangle a person to death. Ahdnan would have most definitely have some bruises from hae fighting back especially on his hands to remove the pressure on her neck. It was stated that hae was tall and athletic to think that he would easily be able to put her at the trunk of the car at her height in a short amount of time sounds dumb

maybe she did not show any signs of resistance, which would mean it was someone close. I personally believe she was killed from behind, as that just seems to fit in better.

They JUST did DNA evidence and found no DNA of Adnan on the fingernails!

BECAUSE B.C.P.D IS CROOKED! they coerced a story for Jay to finally tell which is why his story changed so much. They get the story righr then turn on the recorder

@Courtney Gutman so that puts Adnan not on the crime scene and there's literally nothing to point that he killed her and what Jay said is also completely not reliable.........

SmexyHinata13 also people keep using adnan’s dna found in her car, but they were in a relationship, an intimate relationship. No duh he’s been in her car before.

did they do any dna tests from haes fingernails that she might've scratched the killer?

Bangtan rules they said that all that she had was gone because her body was in the woods way to long.

Both did it but jay betrayed adnan nd got away

WickedSystem i agree totally! Seems impossible! Especially when you are all freaked out!! Unless if you are serial killer and has done this over million time then maybe 😊

Plus it would assume that there was no fight whatsoever. It would mean Hae just laid there and let it happen.

No doubt! I was thinking same. As soon as the car stopped, he would have had to immediately start choking. No argument, no playing it off or around, no nothing, just straight up choking the second the vehicle is parked. Mmm sounds far fetched to me.

I was also thinking that, when Sarah tried to reenact those 21 minutes, two pretty relevant things I would've thought she (and/or Adnan) would mention and would've considered: * What Adnan had mentioned about the school buses taking forever to let out -- perhaps that could've really been the case back when he was at the school. Didn't she reenact this 15 years later? Isn't it possible some things may have changed in their process since then? That they might have, oh I don't know, become a bit more efficient during that time? At least I would hope so, lol.. And if so, that would of course be highly relevant to this timeline and reenactment. * Perhaps Sarah allowed for this and just didn't mention, but what about factoring in the time for some interaction with the market lady when Hae got out at the gym to grab the fries and apple juice, as she often did before leaving to pick up her cousin? I just hope during Sarah's reenactment, she didn't just go in the gym and then right back out. Those kinds of things take some time, and clearly this is an instance where any extra time and minutes really matter!!

Now here me out. This timeline could be complete speculation. It’s not fact

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@@Hashdollars yeah I think that was it

I was also thinking that, when Sarah tried to reenact those 21 minutes, two pretty relevant things I would've thought she (and/or Adnan) would mention and would've considered: * What Adnan had mentioned about the school buses taking forever to let out -- perhaps that could've really been the case back when he was at the school. Didn't she reenact this 15 years later? Isn't it possible some things may have changed in their process since then? That they might have, oh I don't know, become a bit more efficient during that time? At least I would hope so, lol.. And if so, that would of course be highly relevant to this timeline and reenactment. * Perhaps Sarah allowed for this and just didn't mention, but what about factoring in the time for some interaction with the market lady when Hae got out at the gym to grab the fries and apple juice, as she often did before leaving to pick up her cousin? I just hope during Sarah's reenactment, she didn't just go in the gym and then right back out. Those kinds of things take some time, and clearly this is an instance where any extra time and minutes really matter!!

I have done financial fraud investigation professionally. It is much different than criminal investigations, but I have consulted with homicide detectives during fraud investigations and have had the privilege of learning from them. I am in no way an expert in investigation, I am listening to this for fun while I work. I like puzzles and when the pieces don’t fit, I immediately see breaks in chains, which is what makes me semi-okay at fraud investigation. I am only ticking off notes as I listen and am not even giving it my full attention because I am working. Here is what I would have done (with my limited investigation knowledge): Made a map of all of the cell towers that pinged that day Located each known players residence on the map. Then I would have made a list of all students in Woodland High at the time and all of those who had graduated two years prior and linked all of them up with corresponding addresses. I would have created overlay maps; one the cell towers and surrounding cities; two the knowns and their addresses marked out on the map, three the map with all of the students currently attending Woodland high and then four the map with all of the students who had graduated in the previous two years from Woodland High and their addresses. I would make it so I could lay these maps on top of one another to find patterns/possible affiliations etc. I would then go to every person who was identified on the map near the cell phone tower pings and question each and everyone of them. It may be hundreds, but eventually, you would find out who was buying drugs, selling drugs and with that, you would tighten your circle until you were down to the essential players and then nail them down with facts you have gathered that they are not aware you know. That is how I would find the truth about what was going on that day. My assumption is it was drug deals because the easiest explanation is usually correct, but I may be wrong. Either way, I would find out. If it is what I think it is, then I would find out what could have happened between the drug dealer and the suspect that changed their relationship. Did either the drug dealer or suspect kill her or did the drug dealer’s dealer kill her due to information they did not want known? Or was she killed by someone totally outside of the current investigation and the drug dealer became afraid he have the spotlight turned on him and he made up his story to cover his butt? Don’t know, but every option must be investigated and ruled out until only remains. There is a saying that the truth lies at the bottom of a bottomless pit, but that is not the case with murder; it is black and white. Someone did it, of that you can be certain.

Well if you knew anything about drug dealers, they don't make house calls. If he was making drug deals on them phone calls then he isn't a drug dealer. He's either looking to buy or he is moving product for other people. Adnan is lying about how close him and Jay actually were. Especially if you are letting a known drug dealer use your car and your phone.

Anthony Westerman sounds like you know nothing about small time weed dealers. This isn’t Mexican carrels and you sound like an idiot. Prob not selling for someone else and just slinging cuts and quarters and smoking some for free while hooking up other kids his age that just graduated or are in college.

Moore Efficient Except that they did admit several times that they were buying/using drugs

Don killed hae Jay knew Don they both set adnan up

@@phillipgregory17 thats what i think too.

I would Agree Jay has things to answer, but still listening to the rest best to listen to all the evidence first

How did Jay magically prevent Adnan from having a credible alibi? How did Jay force Adnan to tell a police officer just 3 hours after Hae's disappearance that he had asked her for a ride earlier? How did Jay force Cathy to testify that she saw Adnan acting fucking weird at her home, that he had visible panic & stress on his face, and that he had asked her how to get rid of a high. How did Jay get Nisha to testify under oath that she had talked on the phone with Adnan and Jay? How did he get her to tell police that this convo had happened the day of the murder? Did Jay know about the "I'm going to kill" line that Adnan had written on the back of the final break-up note that Hae had written to him? Boy, Adnan sure is the unluckiest guy ever.

@@mrjoobjoob17 agreed, finally someone smart in the comment section

Jay never would've been a suspect. He didn't know Hae imminently. Strangulation is usually a crime of passion

Al Heathers He didn’t go to the police. They went to him

0tube0user I agree. Jay was definitely involved! Jay pinned it all on Annan! Both guilty!

This isn't really credible. Adnan could've simply stated that simply because he knew of the lies that Jay was spewing. Jay is actually pathetic because essentially his story does not add up on many accounts.

Hardly. If I was innocent and this happened to me id say the exact same thing to jay

I heard he called him a coward. That would also support your statement

What? I thought it takes 5-7 minutes...

@@wakko493 me too.

He had 3 minutes to manually strangle her, put her body in the trunk in broad daylight btw and then go inside and call Jay

@@mylesinman7285 From a possible nonexistent phone booth.

Prosecutors simply want to convict, they don't really care too much about the truth. It's easier to convict Adnan since Jay is the star witness and prosecution can easily cook up a motive, whereas finding motive for Jay would be nearly impossible. That being said, I don't know if he did it or not.

It means you’re upset by being lied to by Adnan because you fell for his manipulation. I know lawyers who have worked with prisoners etc that maintain the most charming and charismatic people in there are the murderers.

It means that he bought weed from Jay regularly but they were not friends

I get what you're saying, he says they weren't close but Jay picks him up all the time and he lets Jay borrow his car? I didn't let ANYONE borrow my car in highschool, but i would have at least considered it if it were a best friend...

ash mcdoyle fitz and mcgillivary didn’t do any dna analysis they just went along with Jays testimony

Drew Blencowe well they wouldn’t test the car because they knew they would find his prints and DNA because he was in her car often

You know nothing about cell tech in 1999 so shut ya ignorant mouth

Well he did that’s why he was convicted 🤨

He knew how to he was an emt

Who says Adnon even made it to practice? They don't take attendance

Infinitely Superior Greatness You’re making a lot of assumptions. He wasn’t descriptive of her death he just said that Adnan said he strangled her

whys that

They did

Ticora Greene no Adnod is guilty and Adnan is innocent.

This is, of course, absurd. If Adnan did not kill Hae, that means that she left Woodlawn High unscathed at 2:30 ish. She was headed to pick up her cousin at day care, approximately 4 miles from Woodlawn. When Hae didn't show up to pick up her cousin, Hae's family alerted the authorities. How did Jay intercept and kill Hae in this short time frame. The only one to have this opportunity would have been Adnan, who was overheard by 2 credible witnesses asking Hae for a ride after school.

You were sacked for stealing from Verizon, I remember it welll.

You were sacked for stealing from Verizon, I remember it welll.

heyysimone agreed

Amy Harbie yeah strangling someone takes a lot of time your better off breaking there neck

Adnan tells some lies also. It makes no sense to kill Hae instead of killing Adnan. Why kill the ex-girlfriend of the man who is trying to steal your girlfriend?

Actually it is usually the exact opposite

Ann Lowry is that true ?

@@samedayac6621 Ya...actually with a crime...if people tell the EXACT same story with no consistancies....they are usually lying. Some inconsistencies are expected. When there are no inconsistencies, the story is usually being fabricated.

​@@annlowry9841 Oh , I see, makes perfect sense. I feel like the only reason Jay story had inconsistencies was due to the fact that initially when jay was coperating with thedetectives he did not know what would be the implications of his co-operation. As time progressed , and as he received reassurances from the detectives that courts can be merciful and forgiving he began to divulge further information even though withholding some info,(probably knowing exactly when they murder took place , maybe decided where to bury the body , burying the body , getting paid etc...) due to his mistrust of authority figures. Its even possible the detectives purposefully left info off the record as to not force the courts to take action. The truth is somewhere in the middle but leaning way more towards Jays story. The only thing Adnan can do is detach himself from the whole thing, its a smart play but its the only play and since its the only play you get ridiculous coincidences manifesting such as the Nisha buttdial and not remebering where he was at the time , and the note that has written on it "I will kill".

Clutching

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There was no phones outside of the store never was. Used to cash my check right next to Best Buy in 99

@@anthonyeckles2672 Good info. Jay has told too many lies to be credible.

legalsolutions07 Not 15 years later

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Yeup that's why I'm here. 2 PG essay over who I think did it due by midnight xD I say jaayy

Agree, it's all about publicity. Its all about this guy syed, who is doing time for murder who def commited.

I agree

I can see where you're coming from but this podcast is specifically meant to find out who did this murder, therefor it will be more focused on finding evidence, especially since this court case was done with the upmost incompetence. They took no DNA evidence, no real character witnesses, never sufficiently investigate shadier people involved, never investigated alibis that could have assisted Adnan, and they based their entire conviction off of the continuously changing testimony of someone who has shown they are more than willing to break the law. It was just so unprofessional, which would raise a lot of eyebrows and questions. Not to mention, there isn't really a good way for them investigate from Hae's point of view.... Because she died: There's no way they can ask "Hey what happened" they can only do the best with what they've got: By reading things like her diary and hearing other people's analysis of the situation

Edge HODL he might have but there’s not enough evidence to have convicted him one testimony that has been changed a lot and no DNA does not meet reasonable doubt

The HBO documentary does a much better job focusing on Hae's life. They delve into her private thoughts through her diary, as well as, providing interviews with her close friends that reveal intimate details about her life.

autumn simler the pink ninja I agree!!! I think he was jealous of Adnan! He had Adnan ph and car!