Serral fights for his life on the new StarCraft 2 balance patch! (Best-of-5)
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8 ай бұрынStarCraft 2 Tournament 2023 World Team League Showmatch - Serral fights an exhausting rematch against Cure that truly tests the limits of the new Terran vs Zerg matchup!
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StarCraft 2 Legacy of the Void - World Team League Tournament 2023 - World vs KR Showmatch Series - Serral (Zerg) vs Cure (Terran)
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@Baleur 8 ай бұрын
"If everyone stops using banelings out of protest, maybe they'll buff them back again?" Swarm Host looking angrily at you. "Really?"
@WinterStarcraft 8 ай бұрын
This was an EXHAUSTING match to cast, much closer than the last series between them. Thanks again to World Team League (WTL) for putting on this World vs Korea showmatch series, really appreciate all the matches they've been organizing lately. Spoilers for the End (YES REAL SPOILERS YOU WERE WARNED): Jimmy loaded up the matches in the exact reverse order. It WAS a Best of 5 series, just played in reverse. We missed out on some real drama by having that Hard Lead match first instead of the epic conclusion. He will be severely disciplined. Alcyone: Cure (W) 1 - 0 Serral Goldenaura: Cure 1 - 1 Serral (W) Site Delta: Cure 1 - 2 Serral (W) Radhuset Station: Cure (W) 2 - 2 Serral Hard Lead: Cure 2 - 3 Serral (W) What a match though, thanks again for watching I hope I made your day a little bit better
@villz1267 8 ай бұрын
Terran was already the top performing race by miles and they do ridiculous shit like buff the most overpowered unit in the game "the widow mine" their play is obvious.... Blizzard ruined their chance of being the #1 esport, this is just a legacy of failure after failure of balance in this game. Widow mines shouldn't hit air units tbh, neither should archons or fungal growth
@romualdgryfinski3356 8 ай бұрын
that shit with jimmy is so not funny how u still going with it only looks like u lose your sanity ...
@aaabatteries9948 8 ай бұрын
I think Jimmy needs some talking to. He pulls this sort of shenanigans one more time you show him the door.
@Laiquelleion 8 ай бұрын
As a reference Winter ”Rådhuset” means Town hall in Swedish. So map is basically called town hall station by the mapmaker.
@romualdgryfinski3356 8 ай бұрын
@@aaabatteries9948 ye yea yea people who are under observe in psychiatric hospital are check for such things but here he can explain that he do it COUSE of "audience" but i think he talk to jimmy even when he is alone couse loneliness which couse mental disorder like this ...
@GrippeeTV 8 ай бұрын
It’s gotta be Serral’s macro game that makes him unstoppable. Idk how he always does it, but he’s just SO good at managing his bases, injecting, queen and zergling placement for the early game, holding off pressure, and he seems like he always has a way bigger and stronger army. He knows exactly when he can hold a base and when to let it go, and saves so many drones because of it. He just seems like he’s nearly impossible to keep pressure on. Man is a LEGEND.
@berndarndt9924 8 ай бұрын
Serrals playstyle is how zerg is designed and played. And it's unlikely to change in the future, so serral has a good chance of staying best zerg player for quite a while.
@Juggling_n_stuff 8 ай бұрын
An almost 2 hour cast?!?!? Winter, you spoil us...
@IlIIlIllIlIl 8 ай бұрын
YES THANK YOU DADDY WINTER AAHHHHH
@TimmyInTarky 8 ай бұрын
Blizzard simply can't balance Serral. This is inhuman physical and mental superiority that totally abuses Zerg's advantages. Maestro!
@jullianpree6791 8 ай бұрын
Two hours with two goats. One playing and one casting. Epic!
@teacherwayne6680 8 ай бұрын
Serral is like if your Tax form comes to life! What a quote!
@bobevans3209 8 ай бұрын
Its a much closer series because they nerfed Zerg into the ground lol
@Samuelricchio 8 ай бұрын
Keep up the good work Winter.. always love the content. thank you.
@BigHeadClan 8 ай бұрын
Yeesh creep denial afforded by a few cyclones during the early game is just insane, I don't see how Zerg other than Serral and maybe Dark will really be able to effectively deal with them. It's scary to think what that level of early game aggression will do to Protoss.
@YoungClarke 8 ай бұрын
I am nowhere near talented enough in the game to say the patch did this or that to the balance, but it feels like the upsides for Zerg and Protoss came with downsides elsewhere while the downsides for Terran are pretty superficial. Definitely going to be interesting to see what Terran looks like against anyone who isn’t Serral. I suspect it’s gonna become Terrancraft at most tournament finals, but considering how little it seems to have slowed Serral down maybe there’s hope.
@HellecticMojo 8 ай бұрын
There's gonna be a token zerg and token toss, and every terran is gonna claim how it's fair and balanced because each race is represented.
@harleyphillips8434 8 ай бұрын
@@HellecticMojoyou underestimate Terran blame-shifting…. I’ve already had a couple Terrans rage quit and tell me how Zerg got all the buffs lol
@ZerglingLover 8 ай бұрын
@@HellecticMojoi honestly doubt the toss part. There simply isn’t a Protoss player on par with Serral, and i feel like this patch didn’t change much of anything about Protoss while buffing Terran and keeping Zerg mostly the same.
@HellecticMojo 8 ай бұрын
@@ZerglingLover I really don't buy the whole protoss are wholly occupied by scrubs take. Protoss just pays too much for little mistakes so it's just noticeable.
@ZerglingLover 8 ай бұрын
@@HellecticMojo I’m not saying they are, i’m saying that they don’t have a golden player. Like, can you seriously say that Hero or Maxpax are as good as Serral and Maru? Also, i’m not necessarily disagreeing with you; I feel like Protoss is very poorly balanced right now.
@markfrost2307 8 ай бұрын
Serral is the best thing to happen to starcraft since butter!
@eztvlight1202 8 ай бұрын
To cheese or not
@MrCreed145 8 ай бұрын
Won't see nukes landing on tempests or brood lords anymore since they are all speedy boys now
@DfR4n 8 ай бұрын
Serral is a monster... "just play like Serral".
@CelxD 8 ай бұрын
Amazing video like always! Keep up the fantastic work
@ChrisHaastrup 8 ай бұрын
time to buff terran -a terran
@KulaGGin 8 ай бұрын
They should let medivacs pick up burrowed widow mines. Also let widow mines jump into and out of dead space behind the mineral lines. Also, when widow mines hide in dead space, they're impossible to kill.
@LiveGoDaYDaYs 8 ай бұрын
widow mine now shoot 4 target .10 sec cd and remove friend fire
@clorkmagnus 8 ай бұрын
Widow mine doesn’t need a buff since it already breaks the fourth wall and deal emotional damage to Zerg and toss
@nightmareTomek 8 ай бұрын
It should do +3 splash range against workers
@-mokelo-8421 8 ай бұрын
What?! Serral won more matches, time to nerf hi... i mean Zerg (and Protoss while we're at it, because why not?) and more buff to Terran.
@imxande6930 8 ай бұрын
Hahah I know right !!
@joethestrat 8 ай бұрын
*sad Protoss noises*
@brianabalos4878 8 ай бұрын
Hahahahaha
@TKGameGuy 8 ай бұрын
Awesome series! Great to see how pros are adjusting to the changes
@jeremyjoe7494 8 ай бұрын
42:15 filthy mine pull, can't believe the zergling survived until the mine attack :D
@redwings13400 8 ай бұрын
This series taught me two things. 1) Serral is still Serral 2) I am very concerned for the future of TvZ for any zerg not named Serral
@jameslog3431 8 ай бұрын
just like when they nerfed transfuse off of creep for Queen, OP Zerg was still just fine
@HellecticMojo 8 ай бұрын
@@jameslog3431transfuse off of creep is a specific strat issue. The current nerfs are a universal strategy issue.
@SicketMog 8 ай бұрын
@@jameslog3431 Hi! I'm a non-korean terran and as such micro is hard... please give a unit that can be spammed out and kill upgraded 50 supply groups of ling, bling, muta in the midgame. The zerg being 10x better than me isn't enough... He needs to be 11x bettah!
@sakesaurus1706 8 ай бұрын
@@SicketMogmarine....
@sakesaurus1706 8 ай бұрын
@@SicketMogare you mech player?
@SaccoBelmonte 8 ай бұрын
God...that third match!! ...Serral would be absolutely terrifying to play against and Cure was so on point.
@TheAceBandit 8 ай бұрын
always a pleasure seeing a scrappy match with your commentary. keep it up!
@bradleyreed8876 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the great cast Winter!
@DEN2REQUIN 8 ай бұрын
Hey winter. Don't know if you done something but the upload quality is insane ... Watching your cast on a 4k tv. Amazon quality. Thanks for all you do ❤👍
@Cookie0fPower 8 ай бұрын
Ty for casting these games.
@otoshigami18 8 ай бұрын
Ahhh after a hard day at work, chilling and watching this.. best
@quintyss1290 8 ай бұрын
The problem is, that trying to 'nerf Serral' may make Zerg unplayable for everyone else. Serral is the kind of guy who would win no matter what race he picked and should not be Starcraft 2's target for balance.
@OldSpaghettifactory89 8 ай бұрын
not really, at all. im out there winning as zerg and im garbage. I even hit diamond the other day, finally ascending from plat. also can we talk about how hilariously disingenuious the balance whining is. before the cyclone change the balance council were the "ZERG CABAL". now theyre evil terrans who are nerfing zerg[citation needed] into unplayability[citation needed] due to serral[citation needed] you don't even try to hide it. tune in next year when the balance council is deemed a bunch of dirty tossers making toss op
@SicketMog 8 ай бұрын
@@OldSpaghettifactory89 "im garbage (...) " Got that right. Too garbage to see how garbage this patch is.
@wedgeantilles8575 8 ай бұрын
I may be stupid, but isn't "balance" being defined as "the best PLAYER wins" and not "the best RACE wins"? Obviously Serral needs to win a lot - he is by far the best player. When Messi was in his prime, did Barcelona have to play with 2 players less to make it "balanced"? No. Nerfing Zerg until the best player no longer wins is not "balancing" the game.
@OldSpaghettifactory89 8 ай бұрын
@@SicketMog well from lower ranks to pro matches consensus seems to be the cyclone is pretty bad actually, but you're free to disagree. If you have actual evidence to the contrary, I know x5 pig was looking for replays of cyclones destroying zerg, and he hadn't been getting many because people he talked to had said they had it figured out by day 2.
@SicketMog 8 ай бұрын
@@OldSpaghettifactory89 I'm NOT disagreeing though; it's the exact opposite. New cyclone is bullshit (I have yet to face it much though; mines are, always were and likely always will be MORE bullshit imho). Edit: and I'm not saying it's bullshit because it's OP, because again I haven't faced it enough yet to tell, but because it's an ez to use auto attack spamming shoot while moving (like the BC) bullshit unit.
@timmeinshausen6060 8 ай бұрын
WAIT A SECOND! THERES A CHANGELING!! "in the pipe five by five right boys? hehe:" "wait a second THATS NOT YOUR LINE!" had me rolling! Right off the cusp! comedy is your true gift winter!
@joshgulrud5635 8 ай бұрын
Trying to figure out Cure's split card. Is attrition a paladin ability and the splash a priest ability, or the other way around?
@ConstantineIII 8 ай бұрын
Seral truly is the unkillable, unpatchable demon king of starcraft
@e7venjedi 8 ай бұрын
Dang that first match was lovely to see Serral slowly dismantle with full efficiency. I love the overwhelming Zerg style hitting all bases all the time without rest, but Serral putting the 'S' in RTS is always a win for me :D
@TheFrogsmog 8 ай бұрын
@4:42 had my dying like he was about to fight jimmy 😂
@myto3729 8 ай бұрын
im new to sc2 but ur videos are the only thing i watch on YT anymore looool
@orjhol 8 ай бұрын
Just a short comment to show my appreciation for you Winter! Keep up the good work!
@LoptukqrickL11 8 ай бұрын
17:31 your reaction had me cracking up lmao
@shavais33 8 ай бұрын
lmao - Love the hearthstone cards! I had to pause the video for a minute and fully appreciate them. Especially enjoyed that "Freddie Kreuger Stuff of Nightmares" shot of Serral. "Quantity has a quality all its own." You, sir, are nothing if not a master of the spoken werd.
@princess_love9929 8 ай бұрын
The cylones seem really good at creep denial. They force the zerg to pull back the overlords so its already going to be harder to rotate, but then they also force the zerg to keep the queens together so they cant even be split up anymore. I wonder what zergs are going to do? more queens? more lings? it will be intresting to see.
@Matt-ln7lb 8 ай бұрын
Yeah, seems opening with 2-6 cyclones is going to be very meta in both TvZ and TvP.
@LucianDevine 8 ай бұрын
When in doubt, blame Jimmy! Also, I LOVE the look of the new maps, and seeing the Medivac in that shallow pond and seeing Winter call attention to it was awesome!
@novolks 8 ай бұрын
thanks good cast Winter
@mihaiserghei7285 8 ай бұрын
A lot of work lately, nice one Winter
@erasmus_ttm 8 ай бұрын
@WinterStarcraft You're a sophisticated gentleman and I appreciate all your videos.
@Kisosen 8 ай бұрын
42:26 he killed twice as much but half was his own marines and Thor
@TowerSavant 8 ай бұрын
Pressing the like button does nothing to ease the memory of that one 2016 project I keep telling myself 'I'mma get back to.'
@asipalacios8701 8 ай бұрын
I like your titles and the way you talk about serial and the game
@JohnDoe-rb4pq 8 ай бұрын
I may be wrong, but when I watched it live, the first game that Winter cast was the last game of the actual series.
@seankapunta 8 ай бұрын
I'm an electrical engineer and it's just funny to hear the line "queen renewable energy system" great cast winter!
@jand6881 8 ай бұрын
I often use your videos to fall asleep whenever i have a hard time sleeping. Hahaha, but i like your casts.
@bekasiblis9540 8 ай бұрын
Cant beleive theres exist a man very well playing as a zerg, good coordinating and well placement units with almost perfect timing attack or counterattack
@MrBigjoecincy 8 ай бұрын
Man I really didn't feel like zerg needed to be nerfed at all but I'm feeling it for sure
@dshlango 8 ай бұрын
Holy shit is terran OP
@revihn5081 8 ай бұрын
That changeling: "Hello fellow Terrans"
@Kamilkk2007 8 ай бұрын
Awesome casting
@Walleytherobot 8 ай бұрын
A comment down below said it best, the new patch has terran playing like zerg, and zerg like toss. I don’t even know what to even describe toss at this point since it seems they still have a lot of dust built up from their last actual good patch for them.
@soleo2783 8 ай бұрын
29:15 THE MUSIC THO
@azentra7560 6 ай бұрын
TIL Mutalisks apparently have a SECONDARY mouth in their tail apparently, andbthey don't just fling their tail spikes or something, according to the thimbnail picture, so thank you for that Winter xD Not sure if I ever wanted to know that horrifying detail though....
@Ianuarius 8 ай бұрын
I was like who's Kira? Who is this Kyrie? He keeps mentioning some Keira. OH CURE!
@AnonJuggerbot 8 ай бұрын
47:57 "Uhh... I can't build here..."
@Ryan-wz7ey 8 ай бұрын
At this point I already know who will win when it’s a Serral series
@ironmonkey1512 8 ай бұрын
I watch for 'give him an inch he will take a kilometer'
@greaserspillett9498 8 ай бұрын
The nerfs to Zerg are the only reason this is close.
@gerkan2052 8 ай бұрын
Wow zerg needs 50 instead of 40 Banes to win now !
@Cooscoo 8 ай бұрын
hahhahaha
@ZerglingLover 8 ай бұрын
@@gerkan2052very big difference when banelings are so expensive and always trade inefficiently. stop crying, there’s no world in which Cure and Serral are equal players. Serral is the goat for a reason.
@dlwmkc 8 ай бұрын
Another day, Another Serral W. Par for the course.
@nfreni 8 ай бұрын
I love your commentary, keep it up. I dunno if I'm alone in this opinion but maybe the game music (not the effects) could be reduced a bit? Maybe good maybe shit idea who knows
@divijdurve 8 ай бұрын
Banes are useless at high level since they will never connect banes are a micro unit now since u need to fungal in order to hit with banes
@RubysWrath 7 ай бұрын
Ghosts are still ridiculously overpowered.
@LARPing_Services_LLC 8 ай бұрын
First game felt like Cure couldn't believe he was about to win.
@bigpapa1954 7 ай бұрын
i want some of the old maps in every mappool
@Boots43096 8 ай бұрын
i did not expect serrals mass ling to work vs all those thors, but i guess he denied enough mining that he could get away with relying on the re-max
@HellecticMojo 8 ай бұрын
You kinda have to go mass lings if you are facing thors. Air is a non option, roaches are countered and hydra aren't good enough.
@Boots43096 8 ай бұрын
nah i've tested it multiple times mass thor beats mass ling, open or closed up area, at least when they all have that alt-fire mode turned on. They're ok if there aren't too many thors out yet but once thors reach a critical mass lings don't cut it and we see in that fight the thors cleaned up the lings pretty easily, but again terran was starved anyway but if he could reproduce enough of his army afterwards that would've been a bad trade for zerg.@@HellecticMojo
@DrewMiller1 8 ай бұрын
1:37:00 marines were nerfed when the barracks build time was increased from 60 to 65 seconds.
@johannreed8909 8 ай бұрын
The Cyclone.. AKA the cheaper ground pheonix that can get double pumped and also shoot up/down
@OpiatesAndTits 8 ай бұрын
And swarmhost is still useless lol
@drakorez 8 ай бұрын
If you want to balance sc2 you need to make serral play with oven mitts on
@lightsofbburg 8 ай бұрын
I'm so confused about the cast on that last match. Your arms were folded but the camera kept moving? How does that work?
@cousinpatsey2471 8 ай бұрын
I believe he has the official match camera playing in those instances. The recording saves where the observers were looking, and he just followed their POV.
@JG-ti7id 8 ай бұрын
winter, you, are, AWESOME!!! tytytytytyty :) glhf fam!
@space_orphan 8 ай бұрын
Why did you cast these games in a different order than they actually happened? The first map you cast was game 5 of the series
@marctello8861 8 ай бұрын
Hey guys old player coming back to the game since ive been seeing winters series recently, i'll be learning the game again from 0, but looking at the seires it looks to me that protos are quite far behind in balance prespective compared to the other 2, the cylone thing for example i dont get, costs the same as an stalker but has double dps and more ms and things like that happen in a lot of cases with protoss, could anyone explain me how to compete with protos against thing like that?
@bcbigseller 8 ай бұрын
I'd like to see a game where the 6 cyclone push results in a Terran lose, if u micro better or push with a banshee it's so hard to counter
@PauloCanalesVillanueva 8 ай бұрын
@winterstarcraft it would be great if you cast that game Byun vs Dark 7 years ago!!!
@DaveAFrizz 8 ай бұрын
Can't wait to see Jimmy one day
@Wwillswords 8 ай бұрын
Mines Missile INterrception Explosive System
@cathulionetharn5139 8 ай бұрын
Tkank You Bit early but still, Om nom nom
@Nu22tmac 8 ай бұрын
Jimmy needs employ of the year😂😂
@PashaSlavaUkraine 8 ай бұрын
Winter be mad funny 😄
@atursams5501 8 ай бұрын
Since Cure uses most tools available in the T game, how come Banshees, Ravens and Battle Cruisers don't get used? Does that mean that they get easily outperformed or handled effectively in TvZ or they are underpowered?
@bostonholland3704 8 ай бұрын
Banshee's are a pretty specialized unit for early harassment, but because of spore crawlers/queens they're very easy to lose vs Zerg. They see some play, but especially against Serral, people know they won't do much. Ravens don't typically do particularly well vs Zerg because there's not really any good target for interference matrix, and the cheeto dust has always been theoretically a useful tool that was never worth the APM investment. It also isn't really needed for detection because, well Teran. BC is more of a counter unit in TvZ that's generally outperformed by ghosts. It's really expensive, and all it takes is a well timed abduct for the BC to just die. They also don't really have enough DPS to stop Zerg from just coming over and killing you before you reach a critical mass.
@HellecticMojo 8 ай бұрын
Battlecruiser openers used to be a thing. Queens handle it though.
@Tang0Fox1 8 ай бұрын
So is @WinterStarcraft saying that the best Zerg units are Thors, Tanks and Liberators?
@alexCh-ln2gw 8 ай бұрын
Why does cure look like Moon's (from wacraft 3) brother?
@mBlackThunder 8 ай бұрын
The camera work seems off for the last couple of games I've seen, sometimes it will linger over almost nothing, while one player is entering the others base...
@Jakub_Zajicek 8 ай бұрын
New policy in place. You make me laugh, I like the video. So far, I am furious I cant give more likes.
@GameFuMaster 8 ай бұрын
43:56 kind of a weird engage by Serral. Loses a good portion of banes for a big discount...
@hugosantos7180 8 ай бұрын
Serral the tax colector 😆
@DJSolsTiceCA 8 ай бұрын
I was going to go to sleep buuuuuut I guess I could watch this first
@YourPalBenFrank 8 ай бұрын
wAZZZUP wINTER
@robert-asdf 8 ай бұрын
world team league doesn't have yt?
@Klaus2319 8 ай бұрын
1:21:20 yep REPORT MUTAS! 🤣😂😂😂😂
@josuepereira9782 8 ай бұрын
How do normal humans beat stuff like mass Thors + Ghosts like Cure did game 1?
@clorkmagnus 8 ай бұрын
Don’t try playing Muta is the first step.
@tnmn131 8 ай бұрын
Always exciting to watch that subscriber count creep up. You should have 1M subs just on your community presence alone. Soon...
@wardknol7261 8 ай бұрын
Are you that guy from the 70's show?
@anthonyfernandes1365 8 ай бұрын
I lit a candle 🕯 for your voice. I hope it helps
@jorgen0lsen863 7 ай бұрын
come along boys for i have a story to tell: there was a time when you could spam infested terrans, and the queens would autoinject all the hatcheries at home
@daltonfriel543 8 ай бұрын
noice
@mathieugaron3428 8 ай бұрын
I'm not sure I get it. I saw this live yesterday, But not in the same order, what is up? Is Winter staging stuff? The first game on Hard Lead is the match point of the series with 2 - 2 on both sides. Radhuset is the fourth game, etc. What is going on
@WinterStarcraft 8 ай бұрын
Detailed in the pinned comment, trying not to spoil the overall series but Jimmy sorted the replays by date...but in reverse (he will be reprimanded)
@Boots43096 8 ай бұрын
@@WinterStarcraft jimmy going to the dungeon again 😭😭😭
@fps_superpanda5088 8 ай бұрын
i havent played SC since AOD was a regular thing...but i swear lurkers really be OP. is it just me? that unit is outrageous
@clorkmagnus 8 ай бұрын
Sort of. Serral over ran Clem by sending a ton of lurkers all over the map widow mine style and beat a widow mine pro is pretty hilarious. Strictly speaking, it’s better than widow mine in every way except the cost and the timing since you can’t drop lurkers as early and the production time. The thing that carries widow mine in this comparison is that it can be made earlier and it has a better support unit (Medivac vs Droppelord). Which can deal lethal damage early and early mid game and counter harassing units like Mutas and Phoenix since it can shoot up the air.
@fps_superpanda5088 8 ай бұрын
@clarkp2125 that makes a lot of sense. It still seems like an almost unfair unit in many aspects though. Like a tank you need to scan, have a raven, or an observer to see. Obviously similar to WM but they only have 1 shot and the recharge you know? And I've been watching long enough to have watched serral win in 2018, man is obviously the best SC2 player ever. But God damn, everytime I hear "lurker den thrown down" I cringe for terran or protoss 😅
@soleo2783 8 ай бұрын
@@fps_superpanda5088 i mean, in zvt, outside of that little trap that serral did, i never see them do anything that siege tanks wouldn't also do.
@ZerglingLover 8 ай бұрын
@@fps_superpanda5088lurkers are a good unit, yes, but they come with their own downsides. first and foremost, they’re absurdly expensive to get in large numbers in which they would be useful, and secondly, they’re very vulnerable to spells/abilities. they seem imba because you have to change your unit comp when you see them, as you can’t simply charge 30 marines/ 10 zealots in and expect to win anymore. personally, as a protoss main, i think they’re very strong, but not necessarily imbalanced.
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