Service Call..Breaker keeps tripping...

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2 жыл бұрын

In this video Im going on a service call for a customer that runs an Air BNB and they have someone moving in tomorrow morning so time is important.. The Hot Tub keeps tripping the Breaker and will not heat. The Hot Tub Im working on has a BalBoa VS pack in it... If you have watched any of my other videos you will already know it will be one of 6 things (Im betting its the heater) You will be watching me do this in real time... Hope this helps everyone trying to fix there Spa before Thanksgiving.
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@FrancisFurtak Жыл бұрын

Great video. Really nice to see an honest conscientious person doing his job right! We need more people in the world like you!

@MSgtCool Жыл бұрын

Excellent video sir! You were thorough. You didn't talk over our heads with electric terminology that us ham and eggers don't understand. And MOST importantly, you didn't waste time with fluff and stuff not pertinent to this topic. Now I KNOW I can replace my Balboa heater myself! Stan from Indiana.

@ItsPootertime 2 жыл бұрын

I'm training to be a service tech up in canada, your videos are extremely helpful! Thank you

@RayzeR_RayE 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome video. Great troubleshooting and great safety tips. The wire running to the Spa Pack, that looks like the same wire I have in my tub to my Spa Pack. The local Electrical supply store had told me that it was outdoor-rated AWG 6 (direct bury, black), so I have used that - buy interestingly you mention that (may) not be to code. It was very hard to bend the wires into the terminaIs the spa pack. Luckily, made most of my repairs and tub is sizzling hot! Just need to fix the "waterfall" next season. Cheers! Thanks ehhhhh

@TheBlackstag1 3 ай бұрын

Thank you buddy great man excellent footage i knew the moment i seen corrosion on heater element terminals it would likely be that thank you for your help

@josephgraham1065 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for providing a great training video.

@jimrooney1913 2 жыл бұрын

Great video. Thank you for the demo.

@chrishunt5291 11 ай бұрын

Great video, i just had a problem with the breaker o mine yesterday. Took the powers wires off the tub and flipped breaker and immediately tripped. Went and bought a new breaker . Back up running without buying unnecessary parts. Thanks.

@jasondidcott445 16 күн бұрын

Fantastic video - thank you.

@earthboundorganics747 Жыл бұрын

OK thanks although I have a Jacuzzi hot tub I think I can do it! Thanks for the confidence boost.

@dennisanderson7536 Жыл бұрын

Excellent.... thank you!

@user-hi9nt5jw1o 5 ай бұрын

On new j-3## Jacuzzi if they trip gfi breaker at exactly 5 minutes , it is logic on control board pulling a ground to force a shut down from some past fault like over temp, slide dip switch 10 to on and power for 20 second, then power off and move switch 10 back too off and things will all work again and no more gfi trips

@Philadelphia19147 10 ай бұрын

You're the man

@ericlake6462 Жыл бұрын

Thank you

@Clevefan2 2 жыл бұрын

Enjoy your videos, love the fact how detailed you are. Love the quality of your work. I have a question. I have a 2005 Jacuzzi J325. I've worked on it over the years myself. Recently I discovered a leak so I downed the tub, drained and fixed the leak. About 2 weeks later i flipped the breaker and now it keeps tripping? Power to the pack is fine. Disconnected from the pack, breaker sets. I started disconnecting the pump, heater, ozonator, etc. Breaker still trips. I unplug the transformer and the breaker will not trip. Connect the transformer. Trips. Everything I read says transformers will NOT cause this? I suspect it's the board that's gone bad but would like your opinion, or I'll pay you to come out. I'm in Peoria. Thanks.

@RogerClubv Жыл бұрын

What a great video! My spa is having the exact issue. Thank you! I'm in San Diego. Are you local?

@spadoc-md Жыл бұрын

In 30 years of repairing spas, there have been fewer than 5 instances where the problem was the wiring from the house to the spa. I agree that that wiring is a b...tch to work with, and that's why I have approached disconnecting the wiring as a last resort usually to prove to the homeowner that the breaker is bad. A lot of techs don't check the connections which can become loose, good job pointing that out. Three things that I'd do differently. One, if the spa is old, the shut off valves (especially if stuck) deteriorate and either won't hold back the water or GOD FORBID, the handle will come off when you're trying to restore flow. Now you've got a major plumbing job. Do yourself a favor. If the spa is drained, leave the valves alone. Second, the cost of a new gasket is negligible compared to the cost of a "go back." Always put in new gaskets no matter how good the old one looks. Clean out the channel and add a couple of dots of silicone to keep the new seal in place while reinstalling. Three, be very careful not to overtorque the retaining nuts on the manifold. It's very easy to snap off the male pin welded to the stainless steel. I enjoyed watching your video, thanks for your work.

@spaman5440 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Dude...

@MrDsgn Жыл бұрын

Thank you.

@spaman5440 Жыл бұрын

Welcome.

@mccoyji 2 жыл бұрын

Great work yo!! I had the gfc tripping as well on my swim spa. The service team told me 2 weeks out to look at it.... I used your video and through process of elimination found pump #3 was the culprit. So I left unplugged #3 for now and closed her back up.

@spaman5440 2 жыл бұрын

Good for you to figure it out yourself... I would get the pump and motor repaired ASAP I would not just Disconnect it and call it good you will do a lot of harm and damage to the spa in the long run and could end up costing more money in the long run..Thanks for Watching & SUBSCRIBING

@mccoyji 2 жыл бұрын

@@spaman5440 4 sure!! But it does save me 2 weeks of downtime. Is 2 weeks for service normal?

@spaman5440 2 жыл бұрын

@@mccoyji Yes.. When I do R&R on most pump/motors it most often is a 10 to 14 day turnaround..Side note I would not buy a new one I would have it rebuilt.. The reason why is it will go right back in the same spot with no added work. Sometime you can not get the OEM part and have to make little changes to make the Motor/pump fit... by rebuilding it you avoid that process. Thanks for Watching & SUBSCRIBING

@jimomalley6737 2 ай бұрын

so i did what you said and the pump is whats kicking the breaker the shaft turns freely so not bound up. so do i change the pump or could it be something else like capacitor . thanks yoour videos are informative and great

@TGL1130 Жыл бұрын

Bought a used hot tub. Breaker kicks. On my way to check this.

@paulbates611 Жыл бұрын

Awesome Videos, I've used several for maintenance of my Hot Tub. I recently had to replace the Balboa Extension 2-Relay Circuit Board. Was working fine for several months and breaker started to trip again. Checked all 6 items suggested in this video and they did not trip breaker. Unplugged the Balboa Extension 2-Relay Circuit Board and breaker did not trip. Before I put in another relay circuit board is there anything else I can check? Or is it time to call Scott. Thanks Paul

@keithneal4410 2 жыл бұрын

Great video. I live in Las Vegas NV. I just purchased a small Marquis Leisure Series 110 hot tub. I plan to hard wire it from the service panel that is located about 75 feet from the spa. I already have a 20 amp GFCI breaker in place from a jet tub that was in the house. 1. Can I use 12 gage 3 wire, black white and ground Romex to hard wire from the breaker in the service panel to the tub? 2. Should I add a disconnect box inline near the spa? I would value your opinion.

@davidharrison3644 4 ай бұрын

I dont understand why you didn't just change the element, Instead of buying a hole new tube? Great video.

@spaman5440 4 ай бұрын

It very simple.. If you go to Discount Tire you wouldn't just replace only three tires if all four tires are the same age...You would replace all four. Right Now I treat the entire Hot tub as several systems the heating system being one of them. You can go and change just the heating element and be done. The problem you have and will run into is... What ever caused the heater to fail is also going to cause the sensors to fail also and so on. You also have the task of getting the heating element installed correctly with out any leaks as well as the sensor that has to be removed and then a new fitting reinstalled. Its a little more tricky then it seems Its not hard you just have to be able to get it right the first time if not it leaks and you start all over again. I prefer to install the(as I call It system)entire heater with a new system and know that when I finished the job it will last for several years. I do not have time for call backs...Thanks for Watching & SUBSCRIBING

@davidharrison3644 4 ай бұрын

Your right . I appreciate ya and your content

@mostlikelywedoitservices6926 Жыл бұрын

You also should always check through neutral as well as the ground.

@spaman5440 Жыл бұрын

I will be doing the on all future Videos Thanks...Thank for Watching & SUBSCRIBING

@steve8502 Жыл бұрын

Thinking about buying a new spa for the first time. We have been looking at a bunch of different makes. Sundance, Jacuzzi, Coast, and Master Spa. If you had to recommend one would you choose any of these? Thanks again and big fan of your videos!!!!

@spaman5440 Жыл бұрын

Every spa you pointed out is a good quality spa ... if I had to choose only one I would take the Jacuzzi.. not that it is better then the others.. It kinda like a Ford Chevy Dodge every one has their favorite. I really like jacuzzi always have... Thanks for Watching & SUBSCRIBING

@brianbanks3044 2 жыл бұрын

great thorough video....i wonder if the excessive chemicals caused the deterioration of the contacts....my jacuzzi rotted away after 5 yrs...i am sure the chemical balance had a lot to do with it...pH and chlorine imbalance will kill a spa or pool part

@spaman5440 2 жыл бұрын

BINGO DING DING DING.. You bet it did and does... Spa maintenance is the key to making a Hot Tub last longer. Thanks for Watching & SUBSCRIBING

@Bugsy0333 2 жыл бұрын

Nice job

@spaman5440 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@ashtonchilcote5093 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for all your videos. Wondering if you can help answer a question I have- I have a hot tub that has an LED light. It's a multicolor 12 Volt RGB light. When I've worked with RGB lights in the past, there are 4 wires that go to the light. This one however only has 2 wires (black and red) going from the control board to the light. I would assume it's just injecting a DC voltage to the light. I'm curious to know how this light and changes colors? Will the control panel on the hot tub adjust the voltage and there is some type of control/logic board in the light that changes the color based on the input voltage? Or is there some other way this operates? Part Number for the light is 6560-420.

@markbecker4506 Жыл бұрын

How long should the heater last> How long is it guaranteed for? Cosst?

@a.arruda9578 Жыл бұрын

It's technically a "Clamp meter". Your fan -, A.A.

@AngeloProestopoulos 2 жыл бұрын

Hey spaman quick question I keep tripping my breaker when I unplug the heating element my lights turn on for second turn off my control panel show zero so more than likely that’s a bad heating element is it true that nothing else Turns on if the heating element doesn’t work I control screen just shows a zero on it

@Mike-mn9xo Жыл бұрын

What gauge wire was that? Looks heavier than 6

@teaksworld Ай бұрын

What’s that piece you’re replacing called ?

@bartkiewicz 8 ай бұрын

I need to install power for a new hot tub. Is this Eaton disconnect mounted on the wall good?

@spaman5440 8 ай бұрын

Yes they are really good.

@brentphillips262 2 жыл бұрын

Ever heard of Bullfrog X7 not working with Square D brand breakers. Mine is not even a year old. Trips daily and sometime a couple times a day then will hold for days. It's random. Like I said tub is very new. Professional wired it. Dealer says their tubs don't like the square D brand available at big box home improvement stores and they have had issues with customers using those? Tubs don't even pull near 50 under full load. Maybe ozenator has moisture? But curious of that brand of breaker and box is known to have issues?

@spaman5440 2 жыл бұрын

First off I have to start with Square D is a great product and I have never herd of what the dealer is talking about in fact we have hooked up a lot of spas wired with Square D over the years with zero problems ...Now we do see the wrong type of wire being used all the time as well as the wrong size of wire.If you want to call the office and talk to Scott and he will get you going in the right direction..Hope that Helps Thanks for Watching & SUBSCRIBING (Personally I think the Dealer is full of crap)

@xraykid4 Жыл бұрын

So I had a master electrician Install a new service 50amp 240. Filled the tub and the breaker kept tripping on a brand-new Jacuzzi Mood tub. Wiring all check out and had current to tub. I have to believe it is component. I would love to have your expert opinion.

@spaman5440 Жыл бұрын

Well I really need a few more details...Like how do you know you have 240 to the tub if when you flip the breaker on it trips ? Now when the electrician finished the install and checked for 240 with no wires hooked to the hot tub and the breaker did not trip and he show 240 on his meter just because it didn't trip the breaker and it showed 240 on the meter docent mean he didn't wire it wrong . My best day of the week is Monday after the DIY or master Electrician wired the job and said there is something wrong with the hot tub ! ***NOTE*** Every service call Ive done with a NEW spa that had just been wired and has a problem with the breaker tripping when turn on was wired wrong.... On a new hot tub everything is new...Motor ,Heater ,Fuses everything for the most part is plug & play not much that will cause the breaker to trip.. On a used hot tub there are far more thing to check out that will cause the breaker to trip. Hope this Helps Thanks for Watching & SUBSCRIBING

@3158040 3 ай бұрын

I have a 2011 Caldera Niagara spa. We haven’t used it in a few months and went out yesterday to discover that it’s not working and the breaker was tripped. When we turn it on, the breaker trips in about 5-10 seconds. Heating element? Just wondering if damage has been caused since it’s winter here and it could have been frozen at one point without us knowing.

@spaman5440 3 ай бұрын

It could be several things..When you empty a spa during the winter its a good idea to suck out all of the water with a shop Vac so that the water in the tubes and pipes don't freeze. As for what is causing the breaker to trip I have several other videos on this subject and they can get you going in the right direction Thanks for Watching & SUBSCRIBING

@robpiz1 2 жыл бұрын

Hey spa man. I have a hot tub that trips every so often. 50 amp in house then to sub panel 50amp. Sometimes it trips when I use the lighting and sometimes it’s fine. I went to check on it cause it’s cold by us and it was tripped. Any experience on this issue.

@spaman5440 2 жыл бұрын

Check out this Video..It can give you some place to start to figure out what might be the problem.kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bbSegZxzq8mqc40.html Thanks for Watching & SUBSCRIBING

@elaine1743 4 ай бұрын

Is it possible for the breaker to get wet during a hard rain and trip? We had heavy rain and ours tripped. At least that's what we think happened. Ours is a Square D. Both hot tub and breaker are new.

@spaman5440 4 ай бұрын

Yes that can happen.

@charlesml3 2 жыл бұрын

Was it really necessary to drain the tub to do this? Don't those gate valves handle this for you? If they're closed on both sides, it would seem to me that you could leave the water in and replace the heater.

@spaman5440 2 жыл бұрын

In answer to your question...No you do not have to empty the tub to switch out the heater you can just do like you said close the gate valves. (Sometime the gate valves leak)This Hot Tub was at an AirBnB and renters were moving in the next day... Chemicals were off the chart and the water hadn't been changed in over a year. So there was a lot more going on then just changing out the heater. Thanks for Watching & SUBSCRIBING

@ChristIsRisen777 29 күн бұрын

It's an Airbnb and it was the right thing to do to change-out water while you're already there working on an issue; this'll be the time to retreat the water and balance water chemistry. He nailed it! 🎯

@shannonguerra5020 2 жыл бұрын

Our 2009 bullfrog keeps tripping the breaker. At first the breaker would only trip after 2 hours of using it now it’s tripping right away, it won’t even stay on. We had the condensers replaced worked fine the first time using it after the fix for 2 hours then tripped again. Do you know of anything to check before calling someone out again to look at it?

@spaman5440 2 жыл бұрын

I would call the office and talk to Scott.

@ronhoffmann7153 Жыл бұрын

With the gate valves closed why would it be necessary to drain the spa, just curious

@spaman5440 Жыл бұрын

Most if not all gate valves after just a few year will leak the water out of the tub and it make just a big wet mess so when I have a way to empty the water into the pool and then refill in just a couple of minutes that is just the way I like to do it. And not all hot tubs have gate valves intact most do not...Thanks for Watch & SUBSCRIBING

@ricardofogel671 7 ай бұрын

Great video spa man. I have a similar problem. My old breaker was worn out. The brand new breaker trips immediately. I Bypassed the breaker from the main, everything works great. I verified the wires are good from the breaker to motherboard and I have 248 volts. I also disconnected the light, heater, pump, and ozone plugs. Breaker still trips with everything disconnected, yet everything works with power straight from the main panel. I did find the air motor fuse blown to replace it. Other than that I'm stumped. I removed the motherboard to look at the back and no burn marks, no burned wires, no corrosion on wire connections. I also tightened everything to make sure nothing is loose. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

@spaman5440 6 ай бұрын

Yes ...I ran into this a week ago.. The spa I was working on was wired the same way you described because the heater was bad when wired correctly it would trip the breaker .. (This was an old trick some spa Techs did before my time to get the spa up and running and get another service call several months later..)Not sure if this is your problem but its something like this. Thanks for Watching & SUBSCRIBING

@ricardofogel671 6 ай бұрын

@@spaman5440 Thanks for sharing, I was able to eliminate one problem. The main neutral wire to the pump was on the neutral buss and not connected to the breaker. After I figured out the fast trip problem everything ran for 2 minutes, then tripped again. The interesting part is I lowered the heat so it didn't come on and the breaker never tripped. If I raise the temp to 100 degrees, it trips. Is it safe to say that it's something in the heat element causing the trip and needs replacing? What has me stumped is bypassing the breaker and having a strait run from the main panel runs fine. No trip and spa runs excellent. Any thoughts?

@spaman5440 6 ай бұрын

It ran for 2 min because the heater is bad...Replace the entire heater tub, element and all sensors with new unit. and the problem should go away. Thanks for Watching & SUBSCRIBING

@ricardofogel671 6 ай бұрын

@@spaman5440 thanks, I really appreciate the replies. It's really helpful and teaches me something new.

@michaelnidoh8665 Жыл бұрын

If you turn down the temperature so that the heater doesn't come on and it still trips, can that still be a heater problem. Thank you

@spaman5440 Жыл бұрын

Yes..Your spa will do system checks several time through out a 24 hour period... Thanks for Watching & SUBSCRIBING

@wizzpet6562 Жыл бұрын

Have you ever encountered an issue where the breaker trips sporadically? In other words, I set the breaker back on and the spa works fine for two weeks or even a month and suddenly, I notice one day, it tripped again? I even changed the breaker and checked the wires and it happens again once in a while… any idea what could cause this behaviour based on your experience?

@spaman5440 Жыл бұрын

Yes I have..You have to become a private eye. Ok with the Breaker off Check to make sure GFCI is connected correctly then check to make sure all the connections are tight. If you have any wires that go under ground check to make sure there is no water in the line that goes under ground.Check to make sure no Romax was used in any of the wiring another words no 6/3(6/3 does meet code and is safe and legal but sometime will cause breaker to trip)I use THHN # 6 wire all four wires. Make sure the bonding wires are installed on motor to pack and connections are tight. Now if it still trips then we start checking the pack and the fuses I also have a video that talks about the 6 thing to check. Its a process of elimination. Hope this helps Thanks for Watching & SUBSCRIBING

@wizzpet6562 Жыл бұрын

@@spaman5440 Thank you!

@aduboi1534 9 ай бұрын

My Balboa controller won't keep temp. Sometimes set to 100 and it goes to 100. But more times than not it will go to 104 or 109. Any solution? I could not find a video on that.

@spaman5440 9 ай бұрын

It could be in the topside control.. it might be a sensor Hi/Low or heat sensor.. or it could br a software problem. If you can't figure it out you need to hire a tech to fix it. Water temp over 104 is not good but it also depends if its being caused by the hot tub or is it being caused by the sun and the outside temp heating the hot tub up. Thanks for Watching & SUBSCRIBING

@user-fd2dp4cl3j Жыл бұрын

I replaced the flow switch and filter. Display still shows Fl 1 and the heater is not coming on

@spaman5440 Жыл бұрын

Need a lot more info to help.. Make Model Year age of filters Thanks for Watching & SUBSCRIBING

@user-fd2dp4cl3j Жыл бұрын

@@spaman5440 it's a 2005 year the model of the hot tub is a 780 Sundance but it has a camen control panel flow switch was replaced 6/12/23 and the filter was replaced 6/16/23 and I'm still getting the Fl 1 and the heater is not coming on any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you

@GilbertAz85339 Жыл бұрын

Do you do Laveen?

@spaman5440 Жыл бұрын

Yes we have worked in Laveen ,Arizona

@GilbertAz85339 Жыл бұрын

Well do you have a numberM

@sandiegodan 2 жыл бұрын

I understand you want to be thorough but if you suspect the heater and just disconnect it and turn the breaker on and it stays on haven’t you verified the wiring, the board, the pumps, and isolated the problem to the heater? Seems a lot quicker for a professional whose time is valuable.

@spaman5440 2 жыл бұрын

I hear what you are saying...and after years of doing this there is a method to my madness as to why I do it the way I do...For how long it takes me to verify it it takes even longer if I have to return because I missed something...A couple extra mins on every job mean I almost never have to do callbacks Thanks for Watching & SUBSCRIBING

@amilias1000 11 ай бұрын

My hot tub fuses are blown and the plastic is scourched. What possibly could have happened?

@spaman5440 11 ай бұрын

Several things can cause that ...Need more info to help you .. You can call the office and talk to Scott and he can most likely be able to help you Thanks for Watching & SUBRIBING

@amilias1000 11 ай бұрын

@@spaman5440 I have a sunrise with a gecko pac 2 pumps 2speed. After watching your video I have come to the conclusion I have to replace the board. From Sault Ste Marie ON weather is amazing. We had two weeks of 38. The last month average 26. Some people around here don't even believe in climate change because they don't see it physically happening.

@amilias1000 11 ай бұрын

@@spaman5440 by the way I was ready to get rid of it. Great videos logical straight to the point. Thank you.

@karonrickett9726 2 жыл бұрын

Hot tub won't turn on

@spaman5440 2 жыл бұрын

Need a lot more info to help You...Drop a dime and call the shop and Im sure we can get you going in the right direction... Thanks for Watching & SUBSCRIBING

@chinoman7234 Ай бұрын

So a leak was the issue. Replacing the heater is needed but….

@spaman5440 Ай бұрын

NO buts about it... Heater was leaking at the heating element and it is way better to replace it.. Over the years Ive tried many way to fix the problem on the cheap and every time it was a short lived and a waste of time and when you work for AirBnBs a cold/not working hot tub is bad and get bad reviews My company also rents Hot tubs for Weekend parties as well as long term and we replace heaters often if there is even a chance of a problem. In this video I was just showing what to look for and then how to fix and replace if that is the problem. Thanks for Watching & SUBSCRIBING