Five Game Master Mistakes - RPG Philosophy

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Seth Skorkowsky

Seth Skorkowsky

Күн бұрын

Even the most well-intentioned GM can screw up and now the fun is spoiled for one or more players. Here's five of those Game Master mistakes.
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00:00 Intro
00:51 The Kidnapper
02:37 The NPC Scene
05:24 The Tinkerer
7:41 Inconsistent
09:38 The Rerun
13:02 Closing

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@OsirisMalkovich
@OsirisMalkovich 4 жыл бұрын
If you end up playing with yourself, you're DMing wrong. Powerful advice.
@ArawnNox
@ArawnNox 4 жыл бұрын
If you want to DM for yourself, write a book instead.
@Meatball996
@Meatball996 4 жыл бұрын
It could be fine if you're players are attracted to you
@felipercalvo
@felipercalvo 4 жыл бұрын
yeah, once my DM started getting too excited, he dropped his pants and began playing with himself in front of everyone....it definitely felt wrong
@gnarthdarkanen7464
@gnarthdarkanen7464 4 жыл бұрын
At 9 out of 10 Tables I've played at, it's a REALLY good way to run out of those "important" NPC's... I've even "taken the shot" to take out one or both of them in a scenario like the skit in the vid'. In those "interjected" scenes, there's a bit of tolerance for some of the "behind closed doors" insights, BUT it's best to just narrate it. No need for the voice acting, over the top details... just drop the information-dump (preferably not huge) and move on. BUT if the PC's are actually there... yeah... not usually going to "twist the plot" the way the GM is hoping or in any direction he wants. ;o)
@girlbuu9403
@girlbuu9403 4 жыл бұрын
The scene between the two brothers could be easily fixed without actually changing the content of what happened. Cut out most of the language, just enough lines to get the feel of their tone across, tell the players they are arguing and what they are arguing about instead of playing it out, and either roll their fight before the game or just decide who you want to win. Or let a player take control of one or both characters for the fight to keep them engaged. This isn't hard.
@blameitonthebubble5294
@blameitonthebubble5294 4 жыл бұрын
The hardest thing for new DMs to understand at first is that games are not TV shows.
@larsdahl5528
@larsdahl5528 4 жыл бұрын
... or computer games.
@andrewlance3898
@andrewlance3898 4 жыл бұрын
There's a lot you can learn from TV shows on how to do a particular story or genre, and there are even systems built to function in a somewhat cinematic manner (_Apocalypse World_ and _Blades in the Dark_ come to mind). However, there's there's also a lot of things that only work in a TV show. It's the same reason video game adaptations to movies don't work - if you try to adapt 1-to-1 the things that the TV show does to the tabletop game, it just won't work. You can't cut to the villains and narrate a scene the PCs don't see. You can't have a certain scene in mind and coerce the players and the game to make that scene happen. And you can't write PCs out of the story for plot convenience (not unless the player in question is absent or something)
@Meatball996
@Meatball996 4 жыл бұрын
The worst combo:New GM, young players and i don't mean like 20 or something i mean like 15 or younger. I was in that scenario when a barbarian found out that as long as he made the hit, cause he probably would, he could 1 hit kill Kobolds by sitting on them
@Venomousse
@Venomousse 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, and I think that goes for the players too. People have a tendency to use what they know for inspiration, so it can take a while to learn what works and what doesn't in an RPG if all you're used to is books, video games and movies.
@CareerKnight
@CareerKnight 4 жыл бұрын
@@andrewlance3898 I don't think I have ever seen a movie attempt a 1-to-1 adaptation of a game. Usually (besides just poor writing in general) its the exact opposite where they only thing they share in common with the game is the name.
@danielcox7629
@danielcox7629 4 жыл бұрын
Seth- "Don't play with your self." Seth- puts on accents instead of actual having people help him make videos.
@szymonsokolinski9907
@szymonsokolinski9907 4 жыл бұрын
Plot twist:They are all actually different people
@nevergivethedmideas7252
@nevergivethedmideas7252 3 жыл бұрын
@@szymonsokolinski9907 identical quintuplets!
@DerPatagon
@DerPatagon 3 жыл бұрын
I've been watching this channel for years and just rewatched this video and only because of your comment, I have finally noticed that the other guys are in fact, all played by Seth. I genuinly thought till just now that they were 4 different guys just putting on silly costumes for the video. I'm so confused now.
@ZircronSwift
@ZircronSwift 3 жыл бұрын
I've been had!
@zaaz1471
@zaaz1471 3 жыл бұрын
it cuts down on production costs
@Thenarratorofsecrets
@Thenarratorofsecrets 4 жыл бұрын
I've "kidnapped" a PC before. but i'd discussed it with him beforehand and had him play one of the NPCs he liked for that session.
@benjohnson7793
@benjohnson7793 2 жыл бұрын
That would work
@topherrobeson4446
@topherrobeson4446 4 жыл бұрын
What if you kidnap an ABSENT pc to get them out of the session for the day and backfil them later so they arent sitting their bored
@SSkorkowsky
@SSkorkowsky 4 жыл бұрын
If the player misses the game for whatever reason, then kidnapping their PC is probably fine, just as long as they'll be free by the next session. It'd be a bummer to show up to a game and discover your character was kidnapped in the game you missed and now you're sitting there waiting for rescue. OR...before that next session, run them through a 1-on-1 game as to what happened. Maybe they freed themselves and when the group comes together for the next session, they can all play.
@topherrobeson4446
@topherrobeson4446 4 жыл бұрын
@@SSkorkowsky 1 on 1 game was my intent
@TheodoreMinick
@TheodoreMinick 4 жыл бұрын
@@topherrobeson4446 then you are on the way to a home-run.
@Anacronian
@Anacronian 4 жыл бұрын
@@SSkorkowsky Long ago I played in a group with a DM who LOOOVED to kidnap us, I the beginning we didn't think much of it but after a while it got really boring, So we(the players) started kidnapping every single NPC the DM engaged us with, at a point we finally had a full dungeon in one of the players castle. :D
@greybeardgamifying
@greybeardgamifying 4 жыл бұрын
@@SSkorkowsky This happened to me during a Twilight: 2000 game. I was absent from a session (blew it off to go on a date) and both the GM and another player were a bit angry because of it. I rejoined the game the next week to find my player tied to a bridge as a makeshift roadblock. I did my best to roll with it, though.
@BaronVonFisticuffs
@BaronVonFisticuffs 4 жыл бұрын
We always called #2 the Shower Scene, since the GM is just playing with himself.
@oz_jones
@oz_jones 9 ай бұрын
Perfect
@ncrtrooper1782
@ncrtrooper1782 4 жыл бұрын
Sometimes I forget that's Seth wearing fake mustaches and pulling fake accents.
@blackhammer5035
@blackhammer5035 4 жыл бұрын
It's kind of a shame. I think Dweebles is held back by all the inferior talent on this show and should start his own channel.
@DA-nk6gx
@DA-nk6gx 4 жыл бұрын
@@blackhammer5035 lol. Best hot take I've seen. Cult of Dweebles anyone?
@ethanlocke3604
@ethanlocke3604 4 жыл бұрын
Ok Buddy What do you mean, there’s a bunch of different people, not just Seth
@harjutapa
@harjutapa 4 жыл бұрын
What are you talking about, man? He's just gaming with his buddies.
@davidbrennan660
@davidbrennan660 4 жыл бұрын
His video presenter avatar needs work...... .
@Socialdogma
@Socialdogma 4 жыл бұрын
The NPC monologuing for #2 was epic.
@KuyVonBraun
@KuyVonBraun 4 жыл бұрын
A tip I give novice GMs is to always paraphrase text read aloud to players so that you’re talking to them rather than at them. It’s quite boring for players to sit doing nothing while the GM reads a page & a half of text at them ☺️
@SSkorkowsky
@SSkorkowsky 4 жыл бұрын
This is 1,000% truth.
@O-D-X
@O-D-X 4 жыл бұрын
@@SSkorkowsky Yeah, the biggest issue with this was when I first started running Shadowrun adventures in the early 90s, It has a "Tell it to them Straight" section which was often an entire page of exposition. It took me a while to figure out that is was a good idea to break it into pieces and in between ask players for their reactions.
@greybeardgamifying
@greybeardgamifying 4 жыл бұрын
One thing I do with my group these days is make good use of email prep before the session. If I have an intro scene I'd like to play out a certain way, I write it out in narrative form. It is much more entertaining for my players to read a 2-3 page scene on their own time rather than having to sit around a table and passively listen to me do it out loud. I also encourage them to write back their version of the scene from their character's perspective to share with the group. By the time we gather again for the next session, we've got the beginnings of a novelization of the campaign in the works.
@richmcgee434
@richmcgee434 4 жыл бұрын
@@O-D-X I think that's really the key - if a module presents you with more than a paragraph (and preferably a short one) of read-to-players text, split it up as much as you can. Digestible chunks and opportunities to act and react are vital.
@tarsis6123
@tarsis6123 4 жыл бұрын
@@greybeardgamifying This is fantastic. Even more so if your gaming often has a month or so between sessions. It keeps players involved and thinking about your campaign, and that's always fun for any game master.
@raphaa16
@raphaa16 2 жыл бұрын
One that makes me very petty is when the DM disregards you backstory, "Oh, you're sister isn't you're sister, you were kids that lived together in the same lab, your memories are all made up"
@superjanembaishappy5512
@superjanembaishappy5512 4 жыл бұрын
I would argue the NPC scene can work IF: -You ask your players beforehand -You keep it short -There is no combat the PCs can't engage with
@jordentaylor2455
@jordentaylor2455 4 жыл бұрын
And I would add it has to be functional to the story.
@ThatYoungling
@ThatYoungling 4 жыл бұрын
1 through 3 can all work just fine with just a single caveat: Your players are cool with it. Seth's players seem to be the types that may not engage readily with those types of scenarios, and he may not be at a comfort level as a GM to do those scenarios, and that's fine for his table, but I use these techniques to great success at my table. It just depends on your players and your skill level and/or comfort as a GM.
@zaranorth8137
@zaranorth8137 4 жыл бұрын
I have the opposite problem with my current group. My players love the NPCs I come up with (I feel like most of them are 2 dimensional, but hey, if the players like them I guess that's fine). They're gotten upset when I gloss over an otherwise lengthy interaction or try to get the PCs involved. I can totally see my players wanting my to run an NPC vs NPC fight.l while they stand around and watch. Having had mutiple 2- and 3-way NPC conversations, I hate it, but my players sit there going, "Ohhh snap, what an insult Sir Ourfavoriteguy just gave! I can't wait to see how Lord Highnmighty responds!" Meanwhile I'm desperately trying to find an out.
@girlbuu9403
@girlbuu9403 4 жыл бұрын
It would be better as something you wrote and e-mailed to them between sessions.
@VirtueCry
@VirtueCry 4 жыл бұрын
I ended up doing an NPC scene because my players were demanding every detail about a conflict between two NPCs. The NPCs were reluctant, which forced the PCs to keep prompting them for answers, as every question created a new question only the other NPC could answer. Although the prompting kept the PCs engaged, it was also getting repetitive. The two NPCs got into an argument that resulted in a quick exchange of answers. It became one of the most notable things to happen that session.
@crazycoolcelt7440
@crazycoolcelt7440 4 жыл бұрын
wasnt expecting a skorkowsky video at 2AM, but ill take what i can get in these trying times
@katyushamarikov8819
@katyushamarikov8819 4 жыл бұрын
May I offer you an egg in these trying times? 🥚
@anthonystromeyer1399
@anthonystromeyer1399 4 жыл бұрын
Basically just the flu, bro Roll them D20s with your buds Cowards die many times before their death, the never taste of death but once... Shakespeare's Julius Caesar
@vesperschake6241
@vesperschake6241 4 жыл бұрын
Glad I'm not the only one staying up late to watch rpg KZfaq videos.
@Anacronian
@Anacronian 4 жыл бұрын
You know things are going to be serious when Seth whips out Into Darkness references.
@Lcirex
@Lcirex 4 жыл бұрын
1st love the shirt. 2nd I had a player once tell me love an Npc and wanted to have him as a backup opinion if his character died and had started playing his character more recklessly. So I had his character kidnapped while he took over the npc to help rescue his original character after saving his character he had his love for his rekindled allover again. It was a fun chance for him to get a short break from his character and came back to the character stronger.
@EliteRacist
@EliteRacist 4 жыл бұрын
That's a pretty nice shirt! Those three guys look kind of familiar.
@tagabundok1
@tagabundok1 4 жыл бұрын
I started laughing my butt off when you began rolling in a combat between the Thurmond brothers. It felt like watching a nightmare being built.
@sapientmuffin
@sapientmuffin 4 жыл бұрын
"NPC Scenes" My brain: Fight the reflective cringe... fight it! (I swear, my players looked interested... the first few times. X.X) Great vid as always Seth. Just joined your Patreon at a measly 1 buck a month but I hope you take it as a small sign of thanks for your awesome content. Keep doing your thing! Still planning on getting a book of yours, just finishing up my first read of Gibson's Sprawl trilogy! Cheers.
@SSkorkowsky
@SSkorkowsky 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for your support. The tricky part with NPC scenes is they can easily become longer than you anticipate them being. And player interest has two real settings: "This is great and has my complete interest," and "I'm bored and sick of this." There isn't much in between and can flip from good to bad in the length of a single sentence. The general rule on that is the audience's interest is about half as long as you think it is. So best be fast, get in and get out with the NPC scene before you lose the players' interest. Even if they say they want more... the truth is they probably won't like it as much as they think they would. Best to leave them wanting more than giving them too much.
@sapientmuffin
@sapientmuffin 4 жыл бұрын
@@SSkorkowsky this is great advice and I'll be keeping it in mind tonight as I'm running my game. Thanks Seth!
@HuevoBendito
@HuevoBendito 4 жыл бұрын
The Bespectacled RPG Man delivers his wisdom again!
@UnstoppableFloridaMan
@UnstoppableFloridaMan 4 жыл бұрын
Back to OG lists I’m liking it Seth!
@danacoleman4007
@danacoleman4007 4 жыл бұрын
OG = oblivious gamemaster?
@UnstoppableFloridaMan
@UnstoppableFloridaMan 4 жыл бұрын
Dana Coleman I see what you did there lol.
@troty99
@troty99 4 жыл бұрын
Also a possiblity for your first point is to abduct a PC and let him play his back up character with the rest of the team. It still keeps the tension up, let the player play , lets him experiment with its back up in a way that makes narrative sense and make it easier to introduce him to the party.
@Jamesmy
@Jamesmy 4 жыл бұрын
The fight between Lord Thurman and his brother really made me laugh!
@KS-nm6rt
@KS-nm6rt 4 жыл бұрын
I always wonder just how closely based Todd, Mike and Dweebles are on Seth's own group. Surely there must be some resemblance :)
@lghtngblt
@lghtngblt 4 жыл бұрын
In that second scenario... What if (aside from shorter dialog between the brothers) when the one pc offered to stand as champion the brother who challenged ordered his knights to attack the players? That way they have their own battle and are still able to witness the end of the brother's battle.
@oz_jones
@oz_jones Жыл бұрын
"Mano-a-mano. Just you, me... and MY GUAAAARDS!" - Sheriff of Nottingham, from the movie Robin Hood: Men in Tights.
@horatiussonofrome812
@horatiussonofrome812 4 жыл бұрын
I got such cringe chills from the DM solo skit I had to skip it. Well done Seth on recreating awful moments so well!
@christofferhanssonfrumerie8902
@christofferhanssonfrumerie8902 4 жыл бұрын
1:20 considering his t-shirt, he's probably ok with that.
@DrFranklynAnderson
@DrFranklynAnderson 4 жыл бұрын
Took me a minute, but bravo. 😆
@TheSmart-CasualGamer
@TheSmart-CasualGamer 3 жыл бұрын
He WANTS to be sedated. As he's been kidnapped he also has nothing to do and nowhere to go. He WANTS to be sedated.
@0x777
@0x777 4 жыл бұрын
1) Kidnapping a player character can actually allow the game to go forward when a player can't make it for a few weeks, e.g. because he's away for work or on holiday. I'd highly recommend discussing it with the affected player, though, preferably away from the rest of the party. Usually, it turns out great. The player feels appreciated that you make his character the focus of a story line and that you allow him to be on your side of the table, you could actually give him a few bits of information that his character would gain during being kidnapped that he can then relay to the rest of the party after he is rescued, turning him from damsel in distress to a key information giver and pulling him out of the passive role again. And the rest of the party will like that the game doesn't stall just because one of them cannot be around for a week or two. 2) Exposure dumps are horrible, agreed, but in highly social games (like my favorite Vampire the Masquerade) unfortunately hard to avoid since the player characters are usually not among the high ranking beings around and observing something is often more informative than interacting with it, and it gives the PCs the chance to gather information without exposing themselves, which may be preferable in scheming and backstabbing societies. If an exposure dump is necessary, my solution is usually to get the players involved by letting them tell me what they do, what they watch, what they focus on, have them roll spot checks and pick up social cues, try to give each of them a bit of information that only their character gets so they will eventually come together after the scene and share that information among them to puzzle back together the whole picture, generating RP that way. And whatever you do, avoid rolling down a battle between NPCs, nobody cares about that. :) 3) I actually studied statistics and got my degree in it to ensure my house rules don't break the game. No joke. My thesis is on game rules and balancing effects, how to avoid overcompensation and regression analysis on player and equipment stats to ensure long term viability of rules under growing player power and how to balance it against NPC progression. Did it allow me to bring balance to the for... game? Nope, sorry. Players are better at abusing game mechanics than statistics is at keeping them from doing it. So, take my advice, don't suffer through courses like I did, it doesn't pay. My suggestion here is, talk to the players before implementing a house rule. Tell them that you want to try something, that you think it could enhance the game, but also tell them that it will be reverted if it breaks the game. In general, players are in this for the same reason you are, to create a fun and interesting game and they are usually quite willing to try something, even if it turns out to not work. Yes, they'll not enjoy it when you take their magic blood away or whatever other powerful artefact they have, especially if they went through some serious hardship to acquire it, but in general, if you can explain it to them and how it keeps the game from being exciting, because if there is no chance for failure, what reward does victory still hold, they usually will agree. 4) Very good advice. Every GM has made decisions on the spot that eventually turned out to be horrible moving foward. I usually just let it stand as it was, tell the players before the next game session that this decision was wrong and, while it will stand, it's not gonna be how we're gonna move forward, then simply close the lid on it. 5) Reruns are less of a problem in my experience than persistent plot themes. Some GMs have a tendency to run the same kind of story over and over, changing out the backdrop and costumes but essentially running the same plot over and over. I vividly remember one GM who thought it's clever to run murder mystery based plots where the culprit is always the least likely one, leading to parties going to bizarre lengths to find out the NPC that is the least involved in the plot and could by no means be the culprit, because that usually was it. A bit of variety goes a long way.
@rateater1857
@rateater1857 4 жыл бұрын
trying to avoid npc-to-npc conversations in vtm is like trying to dodge bullets in an empty room with a shooter in each corner
@MikeMinMD
@MikeMinMD 4 жыл бұрын
I did this recently - Had the missing character kidnapped by slavers from the feywild. They had trouble keeping him under control, he would break free then do damage before being knocked out again, the party pursued these guys across the prime material plane and into the feywild, made contact with the Sidhe warrior guards of a major city, met the lycanthrope residents of a forbidden forest who helped them catch up to the slavers, and finally broke the character out as well as several other slaves. And in the main campaign a totally different party shut down a slaver operation in the underdark and was unable to stop several slaves from being pushed through a gate - to the feywild, as it turned out - and took over the mercenaries, paid them better than the head slavers did, and now have a base of operations and a force of mercs working for them. The slaves that went through the gate ended up in the feywild at the other slave fortress where they were liberated a day later, so that was fun. :) Yes, I'm running 2 campaigns, yes they interlink sometimes, and yes I am totally insane to try doing this.
@stevenjhancock
@stevenjhancock 4 жыл бұрын
I had a PC abducted, when the player couldn't make a session. But I did a phone call with them, and played out a few short scenes where they had the opportunity to resist interrogation, leave "bread-crumbs" for their comrades - all of which had an impact on the main session they were absent from.
@oz_jones
@oz_jones 2 жыл бұрын
1) i would throw hands if my character died because i missed a session
@0x777
@0x777 Жыл бұрын
@@oz_jones It's a given that the kidnapped character gets padded in very, very solid plot armor. ;)
@dinoblacklane1640
@dinoblacklane1640 3 жыл бұрын
Funnily enough, I watched this just after finishing my game today, which involved a player getting kidnapped Of course though the player also woke up after being knocked out and got to actually do things, like helping find where they were. Also turns out being a ninja means youre pretty good at fighting people while blindfolded and cuffed to a table
@joelbailey62
@joelbailey62 4 жыл бұрын
Always paranoid when these start that I'm going to find something I'm doing wrong as a GM but glad when I don't 😂
@ArawnNox
@ArawnNox 4 жыл бұрын
"I suggest Game Masters try the rules as written first" THIS! I can't tell you how often I've seen GMs who think they're so much smarter than the game designers and they start houseruling and homebrewing before they even run their first session. I'm a huge proponent of "run it as written first, get a feel for it, THEN start fiddling with it one you've seen the rules in action." Edit: On inconsistency. This is something I had to deal with recently because 5e DnD has an issue where Investigation and Perception overlap. I started forgetting my own method of appilication and the module I was running wasnt consistent in their usage either. So, addressing that frustration with my players, I sat down and wrote a bunch of sub-rules for how to apply it in a consistent manner that can be referred to by all of us.
@johanneskaiser8188
@johanneskaiser8188 4 жыл бұрын
That depends a bit in my experience. If you get into systems that have similar rules (like derivates from D&D 3.5, or all the FF 40k games) you can go through the book and apply prior knowledge to already find some screws to tighten or loosen. If trying out new systems, however, I completely agree that one should play a bit before deciding what works and what doesn't. EDIT: Comes with its own set of problems, because in the GM's head a rule might float over from one game to another and cause confusion (them being similar enough but having their own rules that only allpy to one game). Definitely did not happen to me multiple times....errr....what'ya lookin' at? Nothing to see! :D Also there might be some "standard rules" a GM always uses for all games that might, depending on the game, not even interfere with the rules as written but with others heavily so.
@gma5607
@gma5607 4 жыл бұрын
Now to be fair it would be no great feat to outsmart 5e's designers.
@CrashSable
@CrashSable 4 жыл бұрын
I would take that further. If you're making a homebrew rule because you think you're smarter than the designers EVER then you're wrong and shouldn't be making homebrew rules. If you're making a homebrew rule because you recognise the system in place is useful for a certain type of game, but you want to tweak it a bit to allow for a different style of play, that's better (but you'd probably be better off trying an entirely different system).
@tukman16
@tukman16 4 жыл бұрын
I see that all the time too and it really annoys me. I mean, dude thinks he is a genius to outsmart whole teams of developers who dedicated WORKING HOURS to that system. Of course some outputs are bad, but the fact that it wasn't tried at first means that there is a high risk they are replacing it with something worse. It is just so frustrating... Play the game before thinking about change the game
@gma5607
@gma5607 4 жыл бұрын
@@CrashSable Games designers are not not a special class of people who only ever make good rules.
@Pannlord
@Pannlord 4 жыл бұрын
Great episode. I've seen and suffered through all of these except for The Rerun. My honorable mention for this list goes to dragging out the start of a campaign. I'm sick and tired of playing out how the characters meet and gain each others' trust, encounter some kind of quest giver, negotiate rewards, buy equipment, and so on for several game sessions. When I GM, I just plop the characters into the first room of the dungeon and say something like "You clearly remember Lord Sootbeard's words 'I want that golden scepter, find the damn hobgoblin that stole it!' There are two doors leading north and one leading east. What do you do?"
@DerDieDasBoB
@DerDieDasBoB 4 жыл бұрын
Great T-shirt Seth, really love your actors, they deserve more screen time.
@jesternario
@jesternario 4 жыл бұрын
Here's a fun trick to try with the NPC on NPC dialog, and I used it to great effect in one roleplay heavy game, though it does require players willing to play ball and not go murder-hobo on you. Get some index cards for the NPCs that will be in the scene and put 3 stats on them (for D&D, I do Combat, Social, Stealth. For others, I do physical, social, mental), and rate them appropriately. Next, on a second index card write down the motivations and goals for that scene, as well as a few notes on their personality (try to keep each less than three sentences). Take all of that and put it in a sealed envelope, which you will then write the name of the NPC and a player on. When the scene comes up, hand the envelope to the chosen player, who will then play that NPC for the scene. As they're NPCs, they are ultimately under your control and you have final say on what they will and won't do, but this allows players to be active in a scene where the NPC has center stage, especially in one where the PCs aren't present.
@danacoleman4007
@danacoleman4007 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, That's a super cool idea!
@richmcgee434
@richmcgee434 4 жыл бұрын
Takes some prep work but sounds like a great idea, at least for experienced/confident (not always the same thing) roleplayers who can comfortably jump between roles.
@DrSheep-gu6ly
@DrSheep-gu6ly 4 жыл бұрын
A great variation to the rerun I sometime use if some players are old and some new is to have returning locations in a somewhat revolving world. For example the town of silvercliff has appeared in all of my campaigns, it's always a big economically thriving city, but the rulership changes, power dynamics flipped between the lower class and the upper class, complete anarchy or destruction. This lets my old players feel at home in a town they finally recognize and lets them kind of use that veteran card while the newer players get to explore a massive city with plenty of fleshed out details.
@danacoleman4007
@danacoleman4007 4 жыл бұрын
Very cool idea!
@O-D-X
@O-D-X 4 жыл бұрын
The Re-Run GM ... I love running the same adventure over ... but for different groups just to see how different groups approach the same problem. I have never had two groups run an adventure the same way and that is the fun of it!
@richmcgee434
@richmcgee434 4 жыл бұрын
That form of re-running is fine as long as you're enjoying yourself, and yeah, different groups take wildly different approaches. I've seen a kind of reverse where a given player will try running through the same module with different GMs (usually in organized play events or at cons) with a similar or carbon-copy PC. Don't understand the appeal to that, there's no way to avoid foreknowledge cheats and why you'd want to "try for a better score" as it were is baffling.
@XX-sp3tt
@XX-sp3tt 4 жыл бұрын
Heh, might have been fun if when you chatted about game balance, we saw Jack with an oversized ray gun that is completely overpowered for the adventure. :-)
@RyanPercy
@RyanPercy 4 жыл бұрын
For an example of tinkerer having an impact. I played a character in Only War (40k Imperial Guard RPG) who's main non-gun combat style was specced into grappling. We were on the trail of some alien mercenaries called Kroot who were stowed away on the ship and managed to fight them to the point the leader was about to run away. Now when my character grappled the leader, a Kroot which is a mutant and psychic Kroot, I inflicted a negative effect (via the luck of the dice I was hoping for) that meant it could only take a half turn on its next turn. The shaper had the power to turn insubstantial as a half-turn move and the GM wanted it to do that to have it escape. However I told the GM that by the grapple rules, which my character was built around, it couldn't because when you are the grappled character you MUST spend your first half-turn of any turn you're grappled by taking the grapple action yourself to try to either resist it, escape or take control. The GM pulled Rule Zero and I felt like what could have been a cool moment, my character risking his life to pin down the BBEG of the session so it couldn't escape for just one more desperate turn, was taken away just to preserve the life of an NPC that never came up again in the narrative.
@konberner170
@konberner170 4 жыл бұрын
I've only experienced the first mistake. I was playing a very twitchy and paranoid Malkavian vampire in Vampire: The Masquerade. Having written 3 pages of backstory on the character, and shared it with the Storyteller, I felt perfectly in character as I had Violet run out of a spooky mansion where she sensed there would be an ambush. She decided to lurk outside near the windows and follow the party's progress stealthily at a close distance. Well, there was indeed an ambush in the next room, and rather than rewarding me for both the excellent roleplaying as well as allowing Violet to help the team from outside via her insight, the Storyteller decided that I was making his life a little harder having to deal with what amounted to a split team and promptly said, "A gargoyle swoops down and carries you away, then locks you in a barrel of blood." No rolls, no nothing, just being put into the naughty corner on a whim. The rest of the party survived the encounter, which took over well over an hour to resolve before he let me out. What fun! Subsequently, when Violet acted erratically (as intended) in the next session, he said, "I don't like characters who are rats." apparently meaning that he only wanted strict adherents to the Masquerade with no deviation, and created a special subplot to "redeem my character" from her wrongheaded ways. Basically meaning that I couldn't play the character that I created and shared with him before the campaign started. In retrospect, this was so bizarre that I wonder if the character reminded the guy of his mother or something and he couldn't handle it, because I've never before or since seen so much being singled out and controlled in over 40 years of playing RPGs.
@oz_jones
@oz_jones Жыл бұрын
That's weird. Never played the TTRPG Vampire, but if that stipulation of not breaking the Masquerade wasnt told in advance I would have been PISSED. Like I do get it, since it's a big thing but jeez. Also I would have been even more pissed if I was one of the other players and we had died because we were down a player.
@konberner170
@konberner170 Жыл бұрын
@@oz_jones Well.. the Storyteller was claiming that I was playing my character as a "rat" intentionally. That isn't breaking the Masquerade that I know of, and it seemed entirely in line with the Malkavian madness to be erratic. My best guess is that it was inconvenient for him that I split the party, and so he deleted me from the gameplay. Just a story though, I'm not complaining because I just found another game.
@edlaprade
@edlaprade 4 жыл бұрын
I've done the Tinkerer a few times, but, thankfully, none of the others. Great advice, as always. Keep up the good work and stay safe!
@michaelc8246
@michaelc8246 4 жыл бұрын
I ordered The Gang shirt the other day. Even my wife, who does not play RPGs, likes watching the videos when The Gang is present.
@stanard_bearer
@stanard_bearer 4 жыл бұрын
#5 ... oh that's me, I use one same area in all my campaigns. good thing there's tons to do there. like 11 different bosses and you can only really deal with 2 before everything comes to a head and you need to leave, so in a way it's different but it's still the same.
@CantusTropus
@CantusTropus 4 жыл бұрын
Very good advice all around. As regards kidnapping, however, one of the things I love about Monster of the Week is how it allows the GM to "get away with" certain narrative contrivances via player moves. For instance, if a Chosen player picks the move that gives them visions of the upcoming adventure and fails their roll, the GM gets a point that they can "spend" to screw them over later. This doesn't feel cheap, because A)the player chose that move to begin with fully knowing this could happen, B)the player had to fail a roll for it to turn out this way, and C)MOTW, like other Apocalypse World-inspired games, gives you XP for failing rolls, so at least they got something out of it anyway. Similarly, the Mundane class (whose special gimmick is being a normal person in a team of weirdos) has special moves that give them XP for running off alone to investigate, and another one that gives them MORE XP for being kidnapped by the monster! If you build a Mundane with both of those moves, the GM is practically obliged to kidnap your character at least once a session just to ensure you get good mileage out of your moves! And again, this doesn't feel cheap at all, since a player who built such a character would practically be signalling the GM that they wanted their character kidnapped regularly to move the plot forward.
@richmcgee434
@richmcgee434 4 жыл бұрын
The Mundane mechanics remind me of a GURPS character I saw in one game who had a quirk "Smells good to monsters" or somesuch. Also Weirdness Magnet, just to make sure he was regularly sniffed, licked, and abducted by all sorts of critters.
@ViktorTheMusician
@ViktorTheMusician 3 жыл бұрын
As soon as you mentioned Kidnapping I remembered the infamous "bubble" that my friend got captured in for an entire session. He was isolated and restrained with no rolls that could help him out but worst of all the actual player had to watch us traverse the entire dungeon while the DM engaged with him maybe twice. This was the first session of this campaign too, so he didn't even get to use his character. Also we've also encountered the Re-Run campaign too. It was more that we hadn't played in so long that we lost track of where and what we were doing so we made new characters. But honestly it just didn't feel right, so it just kind of died out after 2 sessions.
@briangriffin9793
@briangriffin9793 4 жыл бұрын
I have seen kidnappings work well but rarely. Best example was when a PC got himself arrested and toss in a prison. He spent the session working his own escape plan whilst the party executed a daring rescue. Surprisingly it worked out and the players had a blast. Key point... every single player retained the ability to play their character during that session.
@TheAnthery
@TheAnthery 4 жыл бұрын
I was just looking for something to watch as well. Excellent.
@SonOfSofaman
@SonOfSofaman 4 жыл бұрын
Great advice, as always. Thanks Seth!
@TakManSan
@TakManSan 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent as always! :D
@tobythenpc7040
@tobythenpc7040 4 жыл бұрын
Keep up the great videos seth
@rossy3486
@rossy3486 5 ай бұрын
The gang kills me. Sign of an incredible DM and actor - each one has their own distinct character and is distinguesed only by a hat and fake facial hair. Amazing!
@Vermbraunt
@Vermbraunt 4 жыл бұрын
That was a great video my man. Keep it up
@SergioLeRoux
@SergioLeRoux 4 жыл бұрын
These are some of my favorite videos on the internet.
@mattinthehat3
@mattinthehat3 4 жыл бұрын
As soon as I see a new video upload from Seth Skorkowsky, I'm watching!
@lukajovanovic8923
@lukajovanovic8923 4 жыл бұрын
Love the t-shirt dude. You are the best without a doubt!
@klaykid117
@klaykid117 4 жыл бұрын
YaY a new Seth video keep it up man!!!!
@nathanjanke4912
@nathanjanke4912 4 жыл бұрын
Yes! Another video from Seth. I love your content man, can't wait for the next video!
@mackdebruin999
@mackdebruin999 4 жыл бұрын
Luv your channel Seth!!!!
@sylvanswan5466
@sylvanswan5466 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Seth 👋 thanks for the great video! Always great to see sci-fi ttrpg play examples in videos!
@aleksimartikainen9131
@aleksimartikainen9131 4 жыл бұрын
Good job again Seth! Keep on going :)
@paulh3892
@paulh3892 4 жыл бұрын
These videos are golden! Thanks for posting, Seth.
@shanelorrison5224
@shanelorrison5224 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. As usual.
@artbyty
@artbyty 2 жыл бұрын
Your cut scenes just kill me! So funny!
@Adrian_Lee6113
@Adrian_Lee6113 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome, love going to sleep and a Seth video comes out. Totally serious actually. So fun to listen to before nighty night.
@NeonSheepProductions
@NeonSheepProductions 4 жыл бұрын
These make me smile, love your videos
@theforevergamemaster
@theforevergamemaster 4 жыл бұрын
Ya mistake 2 is the one I really had to learn to change because I used to approach important NPC on NPC dialogue like a cutscene in a video game . Luckily I learned to discard this behaviour quickly because half the time when I would start this sort of "cutscene" it would turn even the most excited and engaged players to bored unenthusiastic players. I didn't know why until I ran into the same situation as a player
@jesternario
@jesternario 4 жыл бұрын
You know, the last time someone pulled a cutscene on me (fortunately a monologue), I went impatient murderhobo and attempted to hijack the adventure.
@larsdahl5528
@larsdahl5528 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, one of the reasons to why I say that people should both do it as GM and as PC, as it give them the chance to see things from the other perspective.
@jesternario
@jesternario 4 жыл бұрын
@@larsdahl5528 It didn't help that he railroaded me into listening to the Monologue for longer as "punishment" for not wanting to listen to his 20-minute monologue.
@kelly_seastar
@kelly_seastar 3 жыл бұрын
An entire party being held captive sounds fun, especially as an inciting incident. The player characters could have all been strangers captured for different reasons but now they have to work together to escape!
@johanneskaiser8188
@johanneskaiser8188 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. There's always room for GMs to improve, and it's good to be reminded of that once in a while. :)
@williamdegrey
@williamdegrey 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome as always!
@rickytimmons5294
@rickytimmons5294 4 жыл бұрын
Another Fantastic video Seth... Great advice AND laugh out loud funny 👍
@matthewshroba1511
@matthewshroba1511 2 жыл бұрын
Seth your videos are without a doubt the most equally informative and entertaining. Always enjoy them.
@madmalkavian3857
@madmalkavian3857 Жыл бұрын
I had a fun npc scene in curse of strahd with the werewolf fight, basically trying to rig the fight while in the audience using blood magic as a blood hunter.
@midnightgreen8319
@midnightgreen8319 4 жыл бұрын
Absolute quality video as always. I have learned a lot from your channel. Totally identified some problems I had as a GM. Thank you, please keep doing what you're doing Sir!
@tonybob2354
@tonybob2354 3 жыл бұрын
Love the shirt!
@robweb2928
@robweb2928 4 жыл бұрын
Glad to see you continue your series buy could you share more war stories, those are my personal favorite
@jasonhendricks4802
@jasonhendricks4802 4 жыл бұрын
More of these please!!!!!
@meatguyf1375
@meatguyf1375 4 жыл бұрын
#1 Reminds me of all the times a buddy always started a Star Wars campaign with Tatooine Manhunt or a Brave New World campaign with the Ripper adventure.
@TheRealGovika
@TheRealGovika 4 жыл бұрын
3 and 4 are ones I struggle with.. Especially inconsistency! I get so worked up and anxious every single time running a game that I forget rules or plot points or characters or events I have written down in my notebook. A lot of DMing is just giving up the control instead of seizing the control
@SSkorkowsky
@SSkorkowsky 4 жыл бұрын
" A lot of DMing is just giving up the control instead of seizing the control."
@TheRealGovika
@TheRealGovika 4 жыл бұрын
​@@SSkorkowsky Yes, what a great headache! Exactly. That's why I think some authors or writers wouldn't be good GMs. Exceptions of course, but you gotta give up that control and idealized version of the campaign. In short, if a I wanted it to go "this way" then I need to write a book (at least that's what I keep telling myself whenever I get frustrated with it).
@scottknudsen6611
@scottknudsen6611 4 жыл бұрын
Your movies examples are always spot on illustrating your point. "Atlantic Rim"... lol
@arakasi2
@arakasi2 4 жыл бұрын
The only time I've successfully pulled off the abduction storyline was when I replaced the character with a doppleganger. I spoke to my player before the game and she had great fun role-playing a doppleganger who was role-playing a slightly naive fighter type. I had a blast watching her subtlely portray the frustration of being the smartest person in the room but being forced to act like an idiot. We only pulled it off because the player is an excellent role player and I was prepared to toss the whole plot thread out if she wasn't comfortable trying it.
@ryansears1690
@ryansears1690 4 жыл бұрын
Really enjoy your idea of RPG philosophy. I don't play the same specific games as you, but I find great insights that are transferable to really any system in quite a few of your videos. Thanks!
@Nikcollini
@Nikcollini 4 жыл бұрын
The rerun happened to me once by accident. In both a superhero game and a fantasy game that ended months and months apart, we had: - a PC to die from falling -A party member get paralyzed from the waist down -A climactic battle in the sky involving dragons -The group all having to hold off a giant monster at once -An NPC companion unable to finish off the BBEG alone, but the party giving them the literal and figurative push so they can save the day I didn’t even mean to do this.
@Artemisthemp
@Artemisthemp 4 жыл бұрын
Been a long time since I last saw one of your videos. Oh well that means more content to consume during quartinen :)
@PossumMedic
@PossumMedic 3 жыл бұрын
Omg love the shirt!
@lockwoan01
@lockwoan01 3 жыл бұрын
One GM issue might be Not being Aware of Supplemental Materials, with a related one being Not Reading Them. Now, if you only have the core rulebooks, okay, but if someone says that they are using a supplement, it might be a good idea to borrow the book and read it between sessions. I actually got my DM on that one. (D&D5e) We'd had a minor argument over if the Celestial warlock was Official - to be fair, I had no proof, but I thought that it was. Then I borrowed Xanathar's Guide to Everything from the library, and found it. Next session, I was going to show it to them, when I found that another player (who hadn't been at the previous session) had the very book itself.... I got him to show the page to the DM, who was sport enough to read it. The DM froze, and did one of those thousand-yard stares. Two things to note - guy had been playing for about 20 years, and had served as a Marine overseas in Afghanistan, and had seen a few things. I don't know what all happened to him in his mind at that moment, but when he looked at me, there was a mixture of shock and awe. Then I got him on a basic Ranger ability in regards to favored terrain and tracking capabilities.
@matthewconstantine5015
@matthewconstantine5015 4 жыл бұрын
I definitely had a tinkerer GM at one point. He was sort of workshopping something that he couldn't seem to perfect, using our group as the test case. Unfortunately, he hadn't warned us that would be the case when it started. We all went in really invested in our characters and the story, but each week he'd try to change the rules so they'd recreate...something he couldn't seem to articulate. We never figured out just what he wanted from the game, but it only took a few sessions for us to all figure out we weren't going to get much out of it. If he'd said he wanted to experiment and then given us some idea of what he was aiming for, we'd have probably been OK with it and helped the best we could.
@blinddog4288
@blinddog4288 4 жыл бұрын
As always, another GREAT video! Kidnap - I've done this and asked the PC player to sit this game out and we would play a 1x1 after and run it as two separate games. It was fun and the players loved it.
@ancient_bam
@ancient_bam 3 жыл бұрын
One of the most memorable and beloved scenes in a campaign I've run was probably around 30 minutes of a tense espionage scene between two NPCs that the PC (it was a solo session) "watched" through a psychic link. It's been years and the player still brings that scene up as one of his favorite experiences in the entire campaign. I think what made it work was that the player character was the one to come up with the plan and set it in motion, and the scene was just the payoff. The character had sent his intelligent magic item/construct to pretend to be a salesman of magical beasts in order to distract the villain and, if I remember correctly, get some information from him. I'll spare you the details, but the construct's diplomatic ineptitude and the villain's personality played off each other hilariously, and the player got to watch the results of HIS plan. Of course, having made the plan himself, he was probably aware that he was about to watch me talk to myself for a while. He was engaged (and laughing) the entire time, occasionally interjecting with comments or advice sent through the psychic link. If it'd gone on too long, or he'd had to watch combat that he couldn't participate in, he probably would've lost interest. The fact that it was a solo session probably also affected things, since PCs get a lot more individual attention during solo sessions, so he'd had plenty to do beforehand and knew he'd get a chance to do more after.
@goupilmauperthuis8413
@goupilmauperthuis8413 4 жыл бұрын
As a GM I had a way to describe NPCs-only scenes without harming the game : I wrote them in e-mails between 2 game sessions. It was supposed to be like a dream shared by the PCs, that would recall the events of the previous session and add some insight about NPCs. It became pretty funny when the NPCs would comment the actions of the PCs, trying to make sense of them or making deliberately false assumptions.
@kensvideos1
@kensvideos1 4 жыл бұрын
Love ya work.
@ancapftw9113
@ancapftw9113 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the advice.
@TheSuperQuail
@TheSuperQuail 4 жыл бұрын
The like to dislike ratio is literally a thousand to one. You are awesome, Seth. Always funny and informative.
@bosskeith1
@bosskeith1 3 жыл бұрын
Him stacking dice ROFL. I have been there.
@abodi1
@abodi1 4 жыл бұрын
@3:36 got a boisterous laugh out loud moment from me. the lead up was perfect. Well done Seth.
@goury
@goury 4 жыл бұрын
Welcome back
@williamaitken7533
@williamaitken7533 4 жыл бұрын
Regarding the "cutaway to NPCs talking among themselves," I've actually seen a couple of streamed games where the DM includes interludes like this. I think as long as it's a stylistic choice and is consistent throughout the adventure, then it's fine. For example, Adam Koebel does this in his games. I think it helps the players (and audience in the case of streamed games) know when NPCs are more important or as a way to introduce sideplots/scheming without it coming out of nowhere.
@finnmchugh99
@finnmchugh99 4 жыл бұрын
I discovered this channel when I was researching pulp cthulhu and since then I can't stop watching these videos. I wonder if seth might review Mutants and Masterminds 3rd Edition or Starfinder in the future, regardless I like these vids
@shadowheartart3898
@shadowheartart3898 4 жыл бұрын
This had some really sound advice. I've done a few of these myself as a GM, but not all of them. Hopefully now I can watch out for it in the future (=
@wolf1066
@wolf1066 Жыл бұрын
I've got a number of scenarios that I unleash on various gaming groups - but I've never thought of tying the players to chairs and dressing them in my dead mother's clothes. Awesome idea! Can't wait to try it... In all seriousness, though, it's really fun seeing how different groups of players respond to the same situation. No two groups ever play a scenario the same, so even though I've run a particular scenario multiple times, it's always fresh.
@camerondilbon2248
@camerondilbon2248 4 жыл бұрын
Seth.... love your videos. I really wish you would stream a game. I would love to see you in action. Thanks!
@samprastherabbit
@samprastherabbit 4 жыл бұрын
Holy shit, Mike changed gis moustache! New wax product? Lol That was awesome, Seth. As a novice DM I'm constantly making dumb little mistakes but thanks to your stern but fair tutelage I've managed to avoid the more egregious things like trying to beat the players or forgetting to have fun. Thanks for the awesome videos, dude :)
@MaxWriter
@MaxWriter 4 жыл бұрын
Nicely done. That last one is not a problem for me. I usually never rerun a scenario. It becomes part of my game world once I run it.
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