Settling the Pre-Heat Myth Once & For All... On an Anvil Made of ICE!
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3 ай бұрынRoy attempts to forge weld by hand on an anvil made of ice in order to address the anvil pre-heating myth. If you are interested in learning forge welding basics, we have lots of forge welding tutorials on our channel.
Stay tuned on our channel for more ice anvil videos! We will have more videos of forging on an ice anvil coming out shortly after this video.
This ice sculpture was made by Ice Creations (not a sponsor), located in Napoleon, Ohio: www.icecreations.net/.
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@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Hello everyone if you want to come over and continue this hot debate. I'll be live here for a little while this morning doing just that kzfaq.infofjjhxNF71V0?feature=share
@heydenlabelle513 3 ай бұрын
Proofs in the pudding! I'll never forget this one. I was even told in my ABANA class that pre heating the anvil helps with forge welds. This was a cool one, Roy! 🎉
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
So chill!
@austinmichael3754 3 ай бұрын
I will comfort this is ice I am with the company that carved the anvil. Congratulations on the 2000 video. I have been watching nonstop
@SpeargrassForge 3 ай бұрын
FANTASTIC job with the Anvil mate. looks spectacular. and a testament to you and your company's artistry.
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Thank you all so much for making it for us to do this video and others with! Looking forward to using you all in the future
@jrk1666 3 ай бұрын
eager to see the sledge test of that anvil
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Haha... Wait and see!
@plaidpiper1 3 ай бұрын
Very cool. Pun intended. And thanks for the extra ornaments on my pre Christmas order. The kids love our annual activity. God bless.
@spooneythebadger 3 ай бұрын
This is absolute pure gold. One definitive experiment is worth more than a thousand "expert opinions".
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Exactly My thoughts 🙂 thanks for watching
@OldHickoryForge 3 ай бұрын
Oh boy. This is gonna make some old timers mad 😂😂
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Lol gotta stir the pot every now and then
@demagg9038 3 ай бұрын
That was awesome congratulations on 2000 I have watched all of your videos god bless you and your family
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Awesome! Thank you! Brother God bless you and your family
@valeharperx 3 ай бұрын
The real song of ice and fire... great video, straight to the point!
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Thank you 👍
@stephenpadilla4086 3 ай бұрын
Outstanding demo! As far as I know, the only benefit from pre-heating is extended working time when forging, not for forge welding. As a formerPhysics instructor, I would suspect that the only way to gain advantage in forge welding through heating an anvil would be to heat the anvil to near forge welding temperature itself, which would possibly help the weld but would ruin the heat treatment on the anvil.
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing your thoughts 🙂 and thank you for watching
@stephenpadilla4086 3 ай бұрын
@@ChristCenteredIronworks You are most welcome, Brother! I am a n00b to 'smithing, but I am old when it comes to science. Your experiment is a great demonstration of the principles involved in the process of forge welding.
@madroot 3 ай бұрын
That was AWESOME ROY!!!!
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Thanks 🙏
@jessedunn6169 3 ай бұрын
Congratulations. Ive enjoyed the show for last year and half or so. Keep it up. Love the lights btw
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Awesome! Thank you!
@johnbrunelle2068 3 ай бұрын
i should get a picture with a weed burner standing next to a puddle of water. and caption it just got done preheating it.
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Definitely! Lol
@blkacid 3 ай бұрын
Hahaha
@markmartinblacksmith 3 ай бұрын
2K videos! Congrats Roy, keep 'em coming 👍
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Thank you 🙏 it's been a crazy ride
@AtholIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Well now, that is one way to make a point. Good stuff
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
A cool way to make a point, lol
@jeanladoire4141 3 ай бұрын
I've always thought a room temperature or a warm anvil wouldnt change ANYTHING for glowing white steel. Now, maybe for forging dies on a press, as they can get very very toasty, but i think the difference wouldnt be that great
@Carterironworks 3 ай бұрын
Do you have a video on making Olga out of ice? That would be cool also. Great job Roy! Congratulations on 2000 videos! Keep up the good work.
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
We will have behind the scenes footage for members, and we may come out with a "the story behind the ice anvil" for the public
@ValhallaIronworks 3 ай бұрын
I love this so much. You're doing good work, Roy!
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Thank you sir 😊
@DannyPoolMusicandMetalworks 3 ай бұрын
Yup. I was recently working on refining some wrought iron. A lot of folding and welding, etc. Didn’t bother preheating my anvil. There was no issue whatsoever.
@theblacksmithingpastorguy 3 ай бұрын
Awesome video idea! You should do a video on how the ice anvil was made to go along with it
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Would love to
@ravenskuggi 3 ай бұрын
No no, CLEARLY thats glass and the metal plate on top is heated! I think we need to see another one… you know…for reasons 😉. Jokes aside, this was neat to watch and an entertaining point proving. Thanks for taking the time to do it.
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for taking the time to watch it 🙂
@8tinro969 3 ай бұрын
Smith Busters on Point!!!!lol
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
That's right! 🔨
@1noryb 3 ай бұрын
Nice! Looks like you've been dabbling into cast anvils😎
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
This one was carved from a single piece of ice but casting one would be neat
@DaveDoesMetals 3 ай бұрын
So, what you're saying is instead of preheating my anvil I need to pre-cool it...
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Lol
@coffeesstudios2122 3 ай бұрын
Roy took the raindeer out and picked up a chunk of kuiper belt ice for the anvil. 50 kelvin harder than steel. 😂
@TAS1303 3 ай бұрын
First yo This was such an epic video, so much fun to watch and i cant wait to see the rest of the series!
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
It's gonna be an epic series!
@SpeargrassForge 3 ай бұрын
Finally putting the myth on Ice. Permanently.
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
That's right 😁
@Redbeards_Forge 2 ай бұрын
You cant trick me I see what you did there, you totally pre heated that anvil just by taking it out of the freezer.. ❤😂😂😂
@GWIRailroad 3 ай бұрын
Well I guess that is the cold hard truth. No need to warm the Anvil. Blessings Wayne!!
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
I like that... Cold Hard Truth
@mtn.homeforge351 3 ай бұрын
That brought a smile to my face!
@vernonarmstrong3738 3 ай бұрын
Great idea and video
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Thanks. We appreciate you for watching!
@jeffdennington5990 3 ай бұрын
WOW just WOW there is nothing else to say but you are the master smith of our times
@tjn2254 3 ай бұрын
Awesome anvil
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Thanks
@deathsicon 3 ай бұрын
My impression knowing only slightly more than nothing would say the preheat is clearly not required but is not gonna hurt to have it as long as you don't overheat and wreck the anvil in the process
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Definitely won't effect anything negatively unless you ruin your anvils hardness.
@moreybandel5560 3 ай бұрын
That was way cool! Lol! No pun intended! But, I knew you don't have to heat up your anvil in cold weather... Great video! Thanks Roy!
@bigoldgrizzly 3 ай бұрын
makes a huge difference ...... if you are in the habit of sitting on your anvil while your work is in the fire
@moreybandel5560 3 ай бұрын
@@bigoldgrizzly I just let the hot metal warm up the anvil. It does take more heats, but, at least I'm moving metal.
@bigoldgrizzly 3 ай бұрын
@@moreybandel5560 saves me gettin' a cold butt ;
@moreybandel5560 3 ай бұрын
@@bigoldgrizzly Yeah! Lol!
@bigoldgrizzly 3 ай бұрын
@@moreybandel5560 just gotta remember to remove the block from the anvil before sittin down ;
@brysonalden5414 3 ай бұрын
End of controversy! Thanks for taking the time, and spending the money, to lay this myth to rest.
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
It was my pleasure ☺️
@Hopeknives13 3 ай бұрын
Good to know I’m guilty of heating it up with a torch.
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Yeah stop doing that...... Lol and get to work
@HighDesertForgeIronworks 3 ай бұрын
IF, while taking blacksmithing classes, the instructor starts to preach about pre-heating the anvil... I will show him this video! @Christ Centered Ironworks Roy 👍😁👍
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
That's right let em know 😜
@nathanmcalpine 3 ай бұрын
That is awesome 👌🏻
@totherarf 3 ай бұрын
So this was a "Fire and Ice" thing? ;o)
@DBacaMaker 3 ай бұрын
Cool, Bro!
@anvilflyforge2965 3 ай бұрын
So many falsehoods around this topic it’s unreal. Thanks for helping dispel them.
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
My pleasure
@robertlonis9350 3 ай бұрын
And you won’t destroy your anvil ! as an added bonus you’ll keep your nice tempered steel in tact lol
@SoggyBottomForgeJoe 3 ай бұрын
That was sick! Very cool! 😂👍⚒️🔥
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Glad you like it
@CaptCorpMURICA 3 ай бұрын
Man…I was hoping for launching Olga into Lake Michigan using tannerite. Maybe for the 4,000 videos mark. Congratulations on the milestone.
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
You never know 😉
@cwccharters 3 ай бұрын
"Very Cool" demonstration 😂
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
A chilly demonstration, indeed!
@dianasweetpea2561 3 ай бұрын
I don't know if I want to live where you could have a frozen ice cube anvil.. ha
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Lol it's like the best place ever! 💨🎅🏼🎅🏼🎅🏼🌨️🌨️⛄❄️
@SSSmithing 3 ай бұрын
Very cool brother
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Very cool indeed 😁😎
@Bhartrampf 3 ай бұрын
That's pretty revealing, thanks
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@c0t1 3 ай бұрын
Forging Myth Busters! Really cool - myth busted.
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Smith Busters! Lol
@c0t1 3 ай бұрын
@@ChristCenteredIronworksLOL! Much better!
@cferguson6688 3 ай бұрын
Yeah, nice try, we all know you used "hot ice" to get that "icy hot".lol Really kewl that you made an anvil out of ice.
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Lol I'll never tell 😉
@GeneSimonalle 3 ай бұрын
WAIIIITTTT!!!! I wanna see the smash it til it breaks sledgehammer challenge! 🤠❤🔥⚒🧊
@SpeargrassForge 3 ай бұрын
That Ai is AMAZING, its astounding what technology can do nowadays Lol
@TAS1303 3 ай бұрын
Roy did say it was the most expensive video hes ever done. CGI ain't cheap I guess!
@IslandMetalForge 3 ай бұрын
Right?!!!
@gjcascade652 3 ай бұрын
Love it!
@00_negative 3 ай бұрын
I was hoping for an ice smash at the end
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Ohh it's coming soon 😉
@cae2487 3 ай бұрын
I'd like to see you heat up 3 bars of steel that are 1 inch x 0.25 inch and set them down one on top of the ice anvil one on top of a room temp anvil and the last on anvil thats 150ish or more degrees like it would be if you had been forging on it for the last 2 or 3 hours and see which bar loses its heat the fastest. I forge outside and i know in the winter time the amount of time i get out of a single heat is much shorter than a heat in the summer time.
@robertlonis9350 3 ай бұрын
I need one of those bad boys !
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Definitely have to do it in the thick of winter ☃️
@blackbirdironworks6019 3 ай бұрын
Okay that's just funny as all get out! 🤣
@OuroborosArmory 3 ай бұрын
Nice!!
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@TimOConnor-vk4fx 3 ай бұрын
Chilling!!!!
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Indeed!
@psylegio 3 ай бұрын
That is how they did it in the Conan movie... well they will in the next remake at least! 💪
@wimpieburtles6514 3 ай бұрын
Heat goes up, cold goes down...
@PogyForge 3 ай бұрын
Nicely put! Myth busted!
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
I hope so!
@JackPinesBlacksmithing 3 ай бұрын
They call me Cold Miser! Glad I never listened to those who recommended preheating my anvil!
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Mr. Cold Miser ❄️
@jeffseelye7141 3 ай бұрын
Very good demo! For those of us who have watched you forge weld in the winter with your breath showing, this might not be as spectacular. I don't know how you could have done a better job of demonstrating this! Great job!!!
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Thank you very much! 😊
@rogercaldwell7432 3 ай бұрын
Awesome
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@michaelwright1177 3 ай бұрын
Where is the video on making this anvil?
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Didn't get the making of but hopefully next year
@als8326 3 ай бұрын
My wife wants to know who made your block ice anvil sorry for the pun, but it’s very cool
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
We tried making our own ice anvil last year and failed miserably. So we had this one made by ice carvers at Ice Creations in Napoleon, Ohio.
@jeffreyjones6409 3 ай бұрын
No pun intended but that was cool, good info to know.
@lelandhawk6392 3 ай бұрын
Shared
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Awesome!
@Kirt-Davis 3 ай бұрын
Well, I fell for it. How about literally welding on a black of ice & not a steel plate placed on a block of ice?
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Glad you did 😊
@wayneparris3439 2 ай бұрын
While preheating the anvil may give slightly more work time, the reason you preheat the anvil isn't that. I have amongst my anvils one that used to be about 175 pounds, it is a lot less now. The heal was broken off before the hardy and this isn't the only anvil I have come across with similar damage due to not being warmed up before heavy use. YES AMVILS NEED TO BE BROUGHT UP TO WORKING TEMP BEFORE HEAVY USE. if someone lives in mild temperatures then it isn't as important but if it gets COLD, preheat the anvil.
@blkacid 3 ай бұрын
YES!!!!
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Oh yeah!
@CheesedCheese 3 ай бұрын
But how long does the iron stay hot on the ice one compared to a preheated one if its just sitting on top
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Let's just say I've got some videos coming up where I do some multi bar weld's and forging with 1/8"SQ ..... Again pre heating is completely superfluous.
@CheesedCheese 3 ай бұрын
@@ChristCenteredIronworks but if you're working the metal it will obviously stay hot longer and impact the results. I'm sure there would be a difference even if it's a few seconds, you would need an IR thermometer to truly test it.
@putteslaintxtbks5166 3 ай бұрын
This may prove it isn't needed, but just physics, the greater the temp difference, the quicker heat will transfer and be absorbed out of any worked metal, but with more mass, it will take longer. I've never preheated an anvil, but you could work on it longer befor reheating work (or just work real fast!). I have never preheat an anvil, but have thought about it when working some lite items because you could only get a couple swings in befor they needed to be reheat and often in the winter, in an unheated garage, the anvil was about the temp of ice, it would have taken way longer heating up the anvil then just reheating the work.
@blkacid 3 ай бұрын
If that were true, I should be able to heat a 1/4" bar by simply touching it a 2000 degree thing. That's not how thermal dynamics work
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching
@coffeesstudios2122 3 ай бұрын
Ice ice baby
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
That soundtrack came to mind, lol
@phaledax3661 3 ай бұрын
I never bought into the thought that (assuming its Zero degrees F out and I want to preheat to 100F is going to make any difference. I am forging things between 1800-2300F, the extra heat would make no difference.
@hermanderaeymaecker4134 3 ай бұрын
So it tuns out I have no more excuse not to forge on my outside anvil in our very moderate winter. So my subjective impression of my flat carbon steel stock cooling too fast is wrong. Makes sense as there is only max 30°C difference between seasons. It's just me that the anvil feels cold to.
@erniebeswick7675 3 ай бұрын
Great one that should solve it. Lol
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
We will see
@jeffkillian6055 3 ай бұрын
Epic
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
We think so too!
@SunriseSideIronworks 3 ай бұрын
So Roy, is that what you meant by it’s from Ohio, it’s cold and hard to hold onto?
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Yeppers 😉
@sharpbendforge7916 3 ай бұрын
Really looking forward to the naysayer's to show their rears on this one. Can't fix stupid!
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
The comments should get interesting
@BlackHoleForge 3 ай бұрын
Let's gooo🎉
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Oh yeah!
@rickkirby5554 3 ай бұрын
Let the wailing and gnashing of teeth begin!!!
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
It ought to be hilarious
@rickkirby5554 3 ай бұрын
For sure! Im excited @@ChristCenteredIronworks
@billwoehl3051 3 ай бұрын
I was hoping for a marathon see how long before the ice anvil melted or shattered😢 HIGHLY DISSAPOINTED😛😳🤣
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
I'll do better in the future 😜
@PogyForge 3 ай бұрын
Here
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Awesome! Glad you made it
@timocsutube 3 ай бұрын
So your anvil is 60,50,32 degrees or say even 15 degrees....pull out a chunk of hot steel at say 1800 degrees...how can one really think the hot steel is affected by whatever temp the anvil is....Seriously, I never want to preheat my anvil to 1800...nope not gonna do it....
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Exactly
@thomasgoodemoot 3 ай бұрын
First to comment
@coffeesstudios2122 3 ай бұрын
You cheated Thomas
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Yamez trying to tie with you 😉
@user-qt4tf6xh2g 3 ай бұрын
Hi, Gorgeous.. 👍
@bentoombs 3 ай бұрын
Sorry
@bentoombs 3 ай бұрын
Lol 🤟
@IslandMetalForge 3 ай бұрын
after watching this video a few times, and comparing it to other videos of his, you can clearly see this is AI... look at the fingers, and if you watch the wood in the background it doesn't match the wood grain in his other videos..... totaly fake!!
@johnbrunelle2068 3 ай бұрын
its supposed to be middle of winter in michigan and you can clearly see green grass through that split in the wood siding
@IslandMetalForge 3 ай бұрын
first
@Stevenparsons0 3 ай бұрын
Well this was a weird video you know Cody from Wrangler star he preheats his anvil and it just looks so stupid when he does and I want to yell at him so badly stop doing it that's a mess that's a load of crap but he's from the West Coast so what do you
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
Well that's why this video will exist for time to come... So we can debunk myths and legends
@chrism3839 3 ай бұрын
With that hat, you were in fact Russian around.
@wesleymccravy901 3 ай бұрын
This is just silly
@ChristCenteredIronworks 3 ай бұрын
It's simply outrageous, I agree. But I think it gets the point across.
@wesleymccravy901 3 ай бұрын
Can we get a video of how you got the anvil made of ice?
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