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Setup 4 Impact Golf compared to the Moe Norman Single Plane Golf Swing

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Kirk Junge

Kirk Junge

4 жыл бұрын

Today I compare my Setup 4 Impact Golf method to the Moe Norman Single Plane golf swing. I learned the Moe Norman swing starting back in 1996 and played and taught it for over 15 years.
I taught for the Natural Golf Corporation for around 7 years. They were teaching very similarly to Moe's swing, but also allowed for customization.
I also taught for the Graves Golf Academy from 2014 to 2017. They use Moe as a model for their teaching and there is no room for customization within it. So each customer must setup and match exactly the way Moe held the club and every move he made in the golf swing. This means basically learning a completely new golf swing.
Since 1997 I also taught my own version of the Single Plane golf swing which was also called Single Axis golf by some. I always customized the concept for each person and was very successful with my customers. Some always struggled though so I continued to find ways to help more and more customers improve. In 2013 I created the first version of my Setup 4 Impact Golf swing which was called the Minimalist single plane swing. This swing was very helpful at helping lifelong slicers of the ball and those who could not make any decent contact all improve quite quickly.
Since then and over the past few years I have put together a system that is helping golfers all over the world improve faster than any method that I have ever seen and I have taught many of them. The method is fully customizable and can help golfers of any level improve their game very, very quickly. For more info please visit learninggolf.tv
Improve at golf fast. Setting up for Impact changes your swing for the better. My setup 4 Impact Single Plane golf method makes it easier to hit any golf shot. It is based on a simple setup change which helps you play better your next time out. Thousands of people have followed this advice over the past 20 years with success. Now boiled down to it's most simple form. Just Setup 4 Impact it is the easiest golf swing for seniors or anybody who wants to improve their game. You can sign up for my free video email series with 100 video lessons at learninggolf.t...
Upcoming "Setup 4 Impact" Single Plane golf Schools will be using Video feedback plus FlightScope X3 shot analysis.
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The Setup 4 Impact golf method can be fully customized to fit your own personal needs without the need for special golf clubs.
Kirk has taught golf for 33 years now. That includes many years of conventional golf. He taught for many years for Natural Golf Corporation, Single Axis golf, and the Moe Norman Single plane golf swing for Todd Graves and the Graves Golf Academy. He currently teaches his Single Plane Setup 4 Impact swing which has many similarities to all of the above. The big difference is that Kirk fits the swing to each individual golfer.
Improve at golf with this easy to learn Single Plane golf swing. Which is similar to the swing of Bryson DeChambeau.

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@timothyprentice4706
@timothyprentice4706 2 жыл бұрын
Kirk could you please do a series where you take us on a round with you on a known course and play 18 holes with shot tracer? I think a lot of us would love to see the setup4impact swing demonstrated in such a way! I've no doubt you'd shoot a good score
@OLD-MAN-GOLF-USA
@OLD-MAN-GOLF-USA Жыл бұрын
Search youtube "Kirk and Tony the match" Not a known course but you'll see the swing in action by both!
@toddwmac
@toddwmac 4 жыл бұрын
Great video as always Kirk. One thing I also love about your approach/model is that you don't have a dozen different "training aids" you want to sell us. Thanks for keeping it simple.
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact 4 жыл бұрын
If I ever found one that actually made a difference I would sell it, but so far they are only good for the people selling them. I do think that the free V1 golf app is one of the best options out there. As you can actually see what you are doing in your swing, or my members can send it to me for my analysis. It is simple and saves people from wasting a lot of time.
@cc-rg7dz
@cc-rg7dz 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Kirk, I've been playing as a +4 index for a couple years, I think you hit the nail on the head and it's kinda what I teach now. I teach 3 things: 1. Do you feel athletic and comfortable, 2. Can you get to your impact position that you feel strongest at, and 3. Are you nice and balanced and not feel like it's a lot of effort. I'm doing better avoiding rigid teachings and sticking with comfortable athletic golf, unique swings belong to unique people and that's okay.
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact 2 жыл бұрын
Keep it simple!!!
@Rbeardsley10
@Rbeardsley10 4 жыл бұрын
Was with Natural Golf, then Graves for a few years and never improved, the process impeded using my athleticism. I improved immediately when I switched to Kirk.
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact 4 жыл бұрын
Keep up the great work Rick. Fun seeing your improvement.
@dennymiser6333
@dennymiser6333 3 жыл бұрын
I had the same experience
@jamesbelkin9204
@jamesbelkin9204 3 жыл бұрын
I took Moe's advice to learn my own swing. I have taken what he does but added my own flavor to it.
@georgenotgeorge7422
@georgenotgeorge7422 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Kirk from Eastern Canada. Been trying your Setup 4 Impact for the past month or so. Golf is exciting again, no more shanks, dead straight driver, goodbye slice. Thanks for super explanations.
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome to hear!!! Glad to have helped you!
@user-xk7he1gf7w
@user-xk7he1gf7w 5 ай бұрын
I am from Ottawa Canada trying this method spent 1 yr at graves and I was a mess So far having success with this considering a membership
@kregwesley3382
@kregwesley3382 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Your approach has improved my game overnight. Thank you for your great advice!!
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact 3 жыл бұрын
Great to hear!
@kentbernard9842
@kentbernard9842 3 жыл бұрын
Your swing concept is aligned to what I settled on 15 years ago. Single plane made since, but I could never get comfortable with the ridged stance, etc. So, developed my "blended" single plane swing. That and Lee Trevino alignment tip of "Aim Left, Swing Right, Walk Straight" cure my slice.
@doc2help
@doc2help 4 жыл бұрын
Turn back, turn through really works fo me even though it sounds overly simple. I have played under 90 several times since I joined your site. I rarely played under one hundred last season. Thanks so much.
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact 4 жыл бұрын
Great to hear!!! Keep it up. One day you will be able to cross the border again!!!
@ronmarkwick1520
@ronmarkwick1520 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Kirk have only just recently stumbled across your channel and have found it has helped me no end. Keep up the great work. From the land down under.
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact 4 жыл бұрын
Glad to help
@jackbailey7184
@jackbailey7184 4 жыл бұрын
One of the best videos about the feet movement i have seen, keep up the good work thanks.
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, will do!
@jazzman7ful
@jazzman7ful 3 жыл бұрын
Have been doing moe’s swing switching to you have given back distance and accuracy. Much improvement. Thanks Kirk
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent
@bm1130
@bm1130 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Kirk, great video again. One thing I can never understand is why doesn't anyone ever talk about Jack Nicklaus' swing and grip. There isn't anything so athletic that most people can't do!
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact 4 жыл бұрын
Good point! Jack was one of the most consistently great ball strikers ever to play and the greatest player of all time. Legend!!
@davidlester3356
@davidlester3356 3 жыл бұрын
Kirk, I appreciate your approach to teaching the single plane swing. I am 75 and I've had three back surgeries, the last one was a fusion of the whole spine from the thoraciac vertebrae thru the lumbar vertabrae. Believe it or not I am able to swing the golf club and make decent contact using the single plane technique. One thing I focus on is the takeaway which requires I let the rotation about the spine take the club away straight along the correct plane and return it to the correct contact hitting position. Also the fact you don't stress that the feet be so far apart and the trailing foot can come up at the end of the swing makes a great difference. Thanks for the tips. Dave
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact 3 жыл бұрын
Great!! keep it simple!!
@southbeau3531
@southbeau3531 2 жыл бұрын
You are a master my friend.
@nandushevade889
@nandushevade889 3 жыл бұрын
He speaks from heart and experience, useful clip as he speaks of common sense golf
@croozer30ify
@croozer30ify 2 жыл бұрын
Your best video yet.
@TomSmith-yt8ce
@TomSmith-yt8ce 4 жыл бұрын
Krik great info as usual- shot 73 today 7.1 ghin - Ive used setup for impact l o n g before you mo or todd graves or bryson - but love your videos
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome!!! Keep it simple!!!
@lancemcmurchy1161
@lancemcmurchy1161 18 күн бұрын
The grip is the key. I had a grip where the right hand is weak and the left hand is strong and i kept flipping the club with a low hook. I have weakened left hand and strengthened right and it feel like magic just happened at the ball and i finally stopped flipping the club so much. I think this is what moe figured out, he just went a bit ott with everything.
@krisiboren
@krisiboren 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. I could not ball strike that far away and hit it as far. Then I got closer to the ball and wow! That ok?
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome!! We all want to improve as fast as possible. That is my goal in teaching. Help people improve quickly!!!
@NonnyStrikes
@NonnyStrikes Жыл бұрын
Instead of drills. Have them focus on feels and watching what the club face does at a slower motion. This is when I developed a real sense of what I was trying to do with the club. I'm very athletic now with my swing, it's also shorter looking, but man is it accurate and consistent. I always have people asking me for tips and I always tell them to stop thinking about me, and start thinking about the goal with your club and body parts.
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact Жыл бұрын
Drills are a way to practice moving the club properly through impact. Slow is the best way which is why my drills are done as slowly as possible. They work wonders when done properly.
@MSDOGS1976
@MSDOGS1976 4 жыл бұрын
Amen brother. I can't stand the hard core Moe swing. It simply looks dumb. Reaching so far out and trailing foot planted through impact made it hard to swing in my brief experiment with it. Your swing looks more like Steve Stricker. In another of your videos you mentioned that it is ok to gradually elevate your hands at address and in time elevate it more as you show here. That is where I am at. Slightly elevating my hands has made a world of difference along with strengthening my left grip. Oh yes....and making sure I take the club back w/o breaking my wrist for the first 12 inches has helped. I've been too handsy over the years. Thanks for all the good tips.
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact 4 жыл бұрын
Keep it simple Marty!!! Great to hear you are doing well.
@petertrevor9532
@petertrevor9532 3 жыл бұрын
Great video I have loads of problems with my back but this looks like it will ease it for me thanks
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact 3 жыл бұрын
This will put less stress on the back.
@markpowers6161
@markpowers6161 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Kirk, found your channel and your method appears to be easier than GGA. I to was not consistent with GGA. Somedays great, other days always a push to the right and could not fix it. i hope this will help help with the push slice. I was wondering if you could show us the Setup 4 Impact method using a driver? could you do a video like that on the channel and show us how to determine the proper distance with the club from the body and impact, release, ect in face on and down the line in slow mo. Thanks Mark
@OLD-MAN-GOLF-USA
@OLD-MAN-GOLF-USA 4 жыл бұрын
Hello Mark, here is a link to a DTL video of Kirk's driver swing. I'm not sure if he has a face on video with the driver.... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mLGgjdKgs5-whqs.html Tony Griffin Setup 4 Impact Golf Master Instructor
@petercooper8594
@petercooper8594 4 жыл бұрын
Great explanation of adjustment of single plane. Thank you. Do you have live demonstrations and training ?
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Peter, I do have schools in West Palm Beach, Florida, November through April, and then a couple times per year in Cincinnati, Oh, Reading, PA, Sanford, NC, and soon also in California. More info at learninggolf.tv/3-day-golf-school/
@ricomazzola4916
@ricomazzola4916 3 жыл бұрын
Tried Graves method and Kirk's method. Kirk explains the differences very well here. Graves admits that there is a limitation and that is his goal.
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact 3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately with Graves limiting turning into impact, people lose distance, and accuracy as they cannot get the hands leading through impact without turning. Many also get injured in the process.
@SpitSharp
@SpitSharp 4 жыл бұрын
I'll say it again, your swing method is way better and easier to copy.
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you think so!
@TomSmith-yt8ce
@TomSmith-yt8ce 4 жыл бұрын
excellent job
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@sassykeys2502
@sassykeys2502 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Kirk, I have a question regarding raising the hands at setup. Is there a danger here of having the club sitting on the toe? Does that negatively affect the impact i.e. the ball goes right? Thanks so much for the videos. You're my favourite single swing plane YT coach so far as you take a much more individualised approach.
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact 3 жыл бұрын
If the clubs fit you now then they will fit you with this as long as you keep the same distance from the ball at setup. So impact conventionally and with Setup 4 Impact you will be in the same position. I just have you setup with the club in that impact position.
@alexanderhamilton5464
@alexanderhamilton5464 3 жыл бұрын
Kirk, I’m 67 (hdcp 7) and have had a single plane my whole life. I recently discovered your videos and enjoy them very much. Moe was a regular at our golf club in the ‘60’s and i played with him a lot along with the asst pro, so I quess I get my swing honestly from him. My one plane looks very much like yours. I’d like to send it to you for comparison once I figure out how lol. Where can I send it to get your feedback?
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Alexander. You can send in swings at no extra charge as a member of my website at learninggolf.tv
@Les-vp8si
@Les-vp8si Жыл бұрын
Moe Norman never had any injuries or pain.
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact Жыл бұрын
Moe also said that he did not turn his hips.
@normankleinberg5525
@normankleinberg5525 4 жыл бұрын
I like the idea of the non-rotational trail hand potentially increasing the quality and consistency of impact, but I have difficulty (frankly, it's more mental than physical) rotating my body. I tend to revert to an arm swing. Would a conventional rotation drill like Pete Cowen's "Spiral Staircase" be compatible with your method?
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact 4 жыл бұрын
That is the same rotation as I teach just explained differently. I really like that explanation. My drills teach you how to turn and get into a good hitting position before impact.
@j1238066
@j1238066 4 жыл бұрын
Great video.. Subscribed
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the sub!
@tommy4cam
@tommy4cam 4 жыл бұрын
I notice that you set up with the ball on the heel of the club. Is this your own ball position or a something you recommend?
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact 4 жыл бұрын
This is what works for me.
@bddwyer
@bddwyer Жыл бұрын
Would you have to refit the golf clubs doing this instead of a more conventional type swing? Seems like the lie angle will change.
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact Жыл бұрын
The lie angle would be the same as long as your distance from the ball remains the same as before. I have people setup on their impact plane, but the impact plane remains the same. So the club needed is the same. That does not mean though that your clubs fit your existing impact.
@styxb7267
@styxb7267 4 жыл бұрын
Tried to copy moe swing, blew my Left knee out from keeping it bent, your swing is s much easier Kurt.
@glenaspoor9788
@glenaspoor9788 3 жыл бұрын
I have a question as regarding the grip I see that some people use a larger grip is that the case. I have small hands and use a small Cadet glove... and I'm wondering if using a larger grip or at least a slightly larger grip would be a benefit for this swing comments please!!
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Glen, I would recommend trying a larger grip on one of your clubs. For your hand size I would only recommend a midsize or jumbo grip from Golf pride.
@NathanRofail
@NathanRofail 3 жыл бұрын
Love this video. I've been trying to copy Moe using Todd's videos for awhile now and I've had some success but I feel like I've just gotten worse the more I try to exactly copy him. I have a question for you, Kirk. My irons are fit to me according to the Graves Golf free online club fitting (it didn't affect the length of my irons but my lie angle changed). I'm wondering if I need to change the lie angle again back to standard for the S4I swing? Thanks so much!
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Nathan, The same thing happens to a lot of people. The more you try copying Moe the worse your game will get. He had the most unnatural and unorthodox swing ever. If you find the distance from the ball that works best for you and let your body move naturally then you get the lie angles checked and adjusted to fit you if necessary. Most club repair shops can adjust lie angle.
@martyepperly5803
@martyepperly5803 2 жыл бұрын
​@@Setup4Impact I'm one of those people. I started with you, and then I started watching Graves Golf, thinking it was like your approach. My first draw to them was their online club fitting which is working for me so far. And, I'm standing further from the ball at set-up, which seems to be helping. But, but my big draw to the single plane swing was the simplicity, and I started to realize that Graves Golf was really getting complicated. So, I'm back!!
@charleswilliams7680
@charleswilliams7680 Жыл бұрын
Kirk, I need help buddy. I've been chasing Moe's swing for a year and got pretty close to quitting golf completely. I just can't maintain it. I've lost 2 clubs in distance and heading toward three clubs - was hitting an 8i 150 now between 6i and 5i. I'm 38, 6'0" 155lbs, athletic, and very kinestheticly aware, so it's blowing my mind that I can't figure this out. I've also had access to a GG coach and training aids so I have had help but still...no good man. I've gotten to playing a round of 90 but for sure I've got better game in the tank. When the wheels fall off my swing during a round they fall off COMPLETLY because it's really a house of cards I find - fragile too. Help!?
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact Жыл бұрын
Hi Charles, For me Moe’s swing was far too unnatural and even after more than 10 years trying I never felt comfortable with it. So I figured out what works best for me and now hit the ball farther and straighter than ever. I have a lot of videos here on KZfaq that explain parts of it, or you can get my whole system and my help at setup4impact.com/online/
@timon9987
@timon9987 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Kirk where are you located in Germany I am from Belgium i want to learn Setup for impact at you're school
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Timon, I am now full time in Florida, USA...I will not be back to Germany to teach at all until potentially 2022, but the UK may be possible at some point.
@SteveSmith-zz4ih
@SteveSmith-zz4ih 3 жыл бұрын
Kirk i am getting pain in my Left wrist using the single plane swing, i was wondering if the L/H grip is too weak and upright does that put too much pressure on the wrist? Also why am i hooking the ball so much?
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact 3 жыл бұрын
The grip is likely too strong and hands possibly too high. Too strong a grip would be closing the clubface. Make sure the right though is not too far under the grip.
@SteveSmith-zz4ih
@SteveSmith-zz4ih 3 жыл бұрын
@@Setup4Impact Thanks for the reply, i hit the ball better yesterday, i switched to a 12 deg driver instead of the 9.5, swung easier and lowered the hands a tad, soft forearms. Ended up with some nice drives with no pain, just have to get my long irons sorted on the long par 3's, trying too hard on those. Cheers.
@Tees_Greens
@Tees_Greens 3 жыл бұрын
Do you do lessons?
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Bryce, You can find my lesson info at learninggolf.tv/kirk-junge/
@donmolihan4951
@donmolihan4951 4 жыл бұрын
Kirk what club grips do u use
@bm1130
@bm1130 4 жыл бұрын
If you look in the chat of the last video I think he names them.
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact 4 жыл бұрын
JumboMax UltraLite Grips. Love them!!
@donmolihan4951
@donmolihan4951 4 жыл бұрын
Kirk Junge small medium large xl
@krisiboren
@krisiboren 2 жыл бұрын
Go to jumbo max and will take you through questions to find right size. I went down one size that I was recommend and perfecto
@billybobtimm1787
@billybobtimm1787 Жыл бұрын
I'm desperate. Spent a half hour in th GolfTec bay practicing..I still can't get it.Haven't leasrned anyrhing.
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact Жыл бұрын
You need to work on impact, and making that perfect. I have a simple set of drills which will show you step by step how to do it. setup4impact.com/online/
@billybobtimm1787
@billybobtimm1787 Жыл бұрын
@@Setup4Impact I'm kinda old(ish) at 68. Played kinda decent when I was in the Navy (now retired and working for the VA). I have all the equipment I need to build and modify my golf clubs. I'm more than happy to sign op on your website, but I really don't have room in my home for practice, and the weather here in the Chicago area is still really bad. There's a dome nearb, but it's usually pretty crowded at the times I could use it. My biggest problem is still trying to get my hands in front of the ball. It's so frustrating.
@billybobtimm1787
@billybobtimm1787 Жыл бұрын
@@Setup4Impact I'm looking forward to trying your program, but it isn't exactly a good time for range time here in the Chicago area yet. When it is, I'll definitely be signing up for a couple months at least. Golftec helped, but not nearly enough. I have some forged clubs, a bending machine, and a bunch of JumboMax Ultralite grips. What should I do to start? BTW, even tho I'm almost 68, I still have a full time job working for the VA.
@billybobtimm1787
@billybobtimm1787 Жыл бұрын
@@Setup4Impact Would it be beneficial to modify my clubs to a more upright lie? I have the ability to do it myself, and I could certainly experiment on my own, but it would be beneficial to have your thoughts on it before I start cranking on my clubs.
@kevinlahey8087
@kevinlahey8087 3 жыл бұрын
Kirk...where do you buy your grips and what is the Brand? Kevin PS....I live in Ontario Canada.
@DavidWilliams-or8og
@DavidWilliams-or8og 3 жыл бұрын
Came across your golf videos on youtube by accident and started to watch. I had tried the Moe Norman swing before but it did not work for me with any consistency. It felt very awkward. Yesterday I tried to use what you are teaching for a single plane swing around my own swing and what a noticeable immediate difference! I was hitting the ball more solidly, it sounded and felt better off the club and most importantly it went straight and far. I am very impressed with your method Kirk. Tuesday I shot 100 with my swing or what I considered a swing. Yesterday I tried the concepts of your method for the first time and I shot an 89! It has been a long time since I have broken 90 on the course. I am convinced and you have a new convert to this method of achieving a single plane golf swing. Thank you for this method and for making it easy to understand.
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact 3 жыл бұрын
JumboMax UltraLite Grips.
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact 3 жыл бұрын
Great to hear David!!! Keep it simple and have fun!!
@melantheoszimurri9981
@melantheoszimurri9981 Жыл бұрын
Why didn’t moe norman have any knee pain
@Setup4Impact
@Setup4Impact Жыл бұрын
I have no way of knowing if Moe had pain or not. He was a very private person. I do however know of many golfers trying to swing like Moe who have had serious problems. One of them needed knee five days of working on the swing.
@melantheoszimurri9981
@melantheoszimurri9981 Жыл бұрын
@@Setup4Impact I’ve been doing the graves golf method for about four months. I haven’t lost and distance however I think I like this method better with still being able to turn and straighten the front leg. We will see how it goes. It doesn’t seem like too much of a change
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