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I have enjoyed this series so very much, I’m going to miss my Tuesday Shogun fixes.

Regardless of Yabushige’s character and decisions during the series, i honestly enjoyed his comedic presence and personality

Yabushige is an unconscionable sadist that boiled a man to death. For hours. Simply to see if his last words would reveal some kind of transcendental truth. That alone was beyond unforgivable for me.

I am telling EVERYONE to watch Shogun!

I'm glad I had the privilege of watching both Shotguns the 1980 version when I was a kid to watching this newer version as an adult it's sad to see this come to an end but it was a great retelling and hopefully the other books from The Shogun universe will be turned into other shows as well

Rather than a remake, I would have liked to see a Shogun II.

This has been the best miniseries I have seen on TV, perhaps ever. Ishido is likely falling to Toranaga's sword -- I think he has to pay for Mariko's sacrifice.

More Fuji!

Show is so good I don't want to know, just want Shogun to play out. Beautiful series.

Blackthorn asked Torunaga to second him but Fiji-Sama stops him

Toranaga is the eight-phase posture. The purpose of Buddhism is to "attain Buddhahood." To "become" means to attain or reach maturity. It means that what is within has finally been perfected. In other words, to become a Buddha does not mean to become something other than a human being, but to fulfill one's original human nature, which is human fulfillment. Therefore, it is not meaningless for human beings to be distressed, sad, and suffering. It is through these experiences that we become Buddhas. In other words, life is a period of practice for human fulfillment. In order to become a Buddha, there are steps to take. It is a step toward human fulfillment. If we look at the Buddha's "steps", we can see them as "the eight phases of becoming a Buddha". What are the eight phases? (1) "conception," or taking birth in the mother's womb. (2) "Birth": to be born. (3) "Donggu" means to go out into the world. In other words, to live in society. (4) "To be ordained" means to make an effort to solve a problem that one is not satisfied with in one's life as a member of society, or "to leave home" if one simply abandons home. (5) "Demon" refers to those who kill the life of wisdom, and to fight against and triumph over such demons. (6) Seisho-kwan: to attain true wisdom, to open one's eyes to the truth. (7) "TENPORIN": to give verbal expression to the enlightenment one has attained. (8) "entering nirvana": entering nirvana. In the case of Buddha Shakyamuni, the above "eight phases" are what satisfied and fulfilled his life. Looking back on our lives, if we are just born, go to school, get a job, get married, have children, build a house, and die, we are no different from dogs and cats, （They are not the "eight phases," but the "four phases" of (1) conception, (2) birth, (3) virginity, and (4) death. The human being's progress toward Buddhahood after "ordination" is the proof that he or she is a human being. What do we mean by "departure from the desire" or "departure from bodhicitta"? Hatsu Bodhichitta is the vow and awareness of the Buddha after ordination. There is no "attainment of Buddhahood" as an extension of the "four phases. To become a Buddha after one's death is to be lost in the four phases. Only in "overcoming the four phases" (dying in the four phases and living in the eight phases) in the vows and awareness of becoming a Buddha after ordination, called "Hatsugan" and "Hatsugan Bodhicitta," can we speak of "attaining Buddhahood. A life with the "eight phases" is truly the "Buddha Way," the path of human fulfillment. What is the purpose of being born and what is the purpose of living?

I would like a continuation because John's prototype is William Addams, he lived for 20 years in Japan and died in 1620 at the age of 55, he had two children from a Japanese woman.

I really hope they have the main battle happen on screen rather than off screen. There is a lot to fit in to one final episode though.

They’ve been making changes from the book (so I hear) and the 1980’s series with this one, so it’s always possible that the seppuku will be a surprise. However [SPOILER alert], having seen the 1980 Shogun, I’d say it’s likely Yabushige committing seppuku with Toranaga as his second.

I think the plot twist here is that Mariko is secretly teaching tokugawa english XD hahahaha Let's see

it's Yabushige, after Toranaga found out who betrayed them during the night-attack at the castle, resulting in the deaths of many, including Mariku.

Since this is the last episode, ep. 10 needs to be at least 2 hours long or I will revolt. 😠

Why is Blackthorn always barking like a savage?

Looking at the pacing, they can squeeze a season 2. too good not to do it

They have to figure out a way to continue this story it can't end like this lol

Seems like Yabushegi is gonna get his head chopped but Omi is begging Tora to spare his uncle

I will bet Anji - Sama is going to attempt to commit seppuku with Toranaga being his Second and Fuji steps in and stops Anji-Sama from doing it.

I'm worried that episode 10 feels like they're forcing the story. I wish there were at least three more episodes until Toranaga wins at Sekigahara. There may not be any scenes of the Battle of Sekigahara. Sekigahara, Osaka winter camp, summer camp, Edo shogunate Toranaga becomes the general who conquers the barbarians. The drama has to go this far. It was half-hearted. That requires 10 more episodes. Since the original story doesn't say that much about it, I guess they won't do it until the winner is determined at Sekigahara.

Blackthorn is shown frustrated, then unsheathing his short blade, then Toranaga possibly standing Second. Anything could happen, especially after John's tacit acceptance of Marino's willingness to go through with suicide in ep 9.

Can't wait for next Tuesday! Unfortunately, not many people in Japan are watching this drama because there are not many Disney+ subscribers. Despite being a great drama, it has not been talked about in Japan. Disney+ should make more sales efforts in Japan.

I think the families will swap to torunaga as the battle gets going, as this is the last episode and no follow up series, this will fully end. Cant wait.

Best series ever.

In those days, swords were not the only weapons for fighting in Japan. There were 50,000 guns in Japan at the time. Finally, Tranaga and Ishidou fought for supremacy in Japan, and their combined strength was the largest in Japanese history, with both armies mobilizing 200,000 men and 25,000 guns and cannons.

I'm looking forward to James Clavell's other books after the success of Shogun.

Hmmm to answer the question ; My guess would be Anjin might be the one underneath Toranaga's blade

Almost 100% Yabushigi will be executed for treason. Probably he will be granted to preform seppuku. I don't think he will be able to sneak out of trouble this time. I doubt that Toranaga will kill his nephew. Smart guy. And he was always in conflict. I think he is loyal to Toranaga. Maybe he will even tell about Yabu's betrayal to Toranaga personally. It's a good opportunity to get higher in ranks. Have no idea what will happen with Anjin. I hope he will get Fujiko san as wife. She is good. And if Toranaga is the prototype of Tokugawa, then he will win the war. Is this the end of a series? Or we can hope to have more in this story? Will Anjin have chance to build a fleet? Will he return home? Maybe he is not going to do so. In Japan he is important. And their culture changed him. Europe of sixteen century is nit for him anymore. I think. And i don't think Toranaga will let him leave. He is experienced with artillery and on the sea. Too expensive man for throwing away just like that.

IT' S YABUSEKE.. He committed seppaku ...

According to the book, Yabushige will commit seppuku for betrayal

This series is very good . They picked a great actor to portray Toranaga. He reminds me of Toshiro Mifune. That Lord Hiromatsu died, it surprised me. I wonder if Lord Yabu's outcome would be like the original. With the unexpected twists in this remake, I wonder if it is Lord Ishido being seconded by Toranaga. Just my 2 cents.

Yabushige ordered/forced to perform seppuku toronaga is his second. Blackthorne offers seppuku thus the drawing of his tanto but is denied. My take 😄

My money is on blackthorne, that’s who he is about to execute because in the earlier scene, the sword Blackthorne draws is way to short for anything else. So it’s a situation so unaliving himself to be free or pledging complete loyalty to Toranaga. If there’s one thing we’ve seen is that Toronaga is extreme persuasive and strategic/coning

It`s a mini series, I don`t know people keep asking about a second season!

Per the novel, Blackthorn attempts to commit suicide. That's likely the scene with Toronaga acting as someone's second. Surprised you didn't mention Blackthorn as a possibility, given the novel.

Maybe we'll get the Blackthorne seppuku attempt in this episode, and that looked like Blackthorne standing behind and to the right of kneeling Omi, sooooo.....

The show missed the mark in developing a relationship between Toronaga and Blackthorn. For those wondering why Blackthorn has terrible rambling dialogue and constantly yells. His character development is a steep hill downwards from the other depictions. Even if this is a more POV of the Japanese, Toronaga and Blackthorn's relationship was the driving force behind every plot in the series, save a few.

They should do a prequel about Nobunaga and how it all started

i want to see more of these people

we need Date clan for tokugawa

Yabu is hilarious but he has to go, mf opened the door for the ninjas that killed my Lady Mariko. OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!!

Yabu was trying so hard with politics. I don't believe he's afraid of death - he's just longing for power.

Episode 9 finished very much the same as the 1980's series, will Blackthorn hear those words. If you're alive then act alive

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Yabushige getting his head chopped hahaha

I think it will be Blackthorne that Toranaga will be seconding as we already saw Blackthorne unsheathing his dagger

Torinaga raise his sword as a dare to Blackthorn since he pull out the blade try to do seppuku since blackthorn had sadden by Mariko death due to torinaga decision to send her to osaka.... The attire and background seem same as when blackthorn shout at torinaga

Bang on about the actor Tadanobu Asano playing Yabushige. His score is just off the charts. What a delightfully horrible character to grace the screen

Unless they do the same as the 1980 TV series and omit except for supposition the Battle Sekigahara. If EP 10 is the last one, it will be long.

I will be disappointed if there isn't a large-scale samurai war in the last episode.

Yabu will probably end up by boiled alive in the end

Toranaga's snitches will report Yabushige's betrayal and Toranaga will cut his head off finally.

this series should be have a new season

Omi will live

I thought Yabushige was letting in Toranaga’s men. And then he also doesn’t help John with the door…. Right when I was starting to gain some respect for him.

I think is Blackthorne

He could have been great. If only he had the courage to be loyal,

Wonder if the ronin from macau help toranaga for final battle

Toranaga is seconding Blackthorne...or calling his bluff of sepukku ...

It’s Yabushige Toranaga is seconding

finally a episode without mariko and john(Anjin) scene.

I just found out its a series finale and not season

Toranaga was a way beter ally for the church the moment he got permission to build a church in edo.

Even if there is theoretically a new season, it won’t be the same without Yabushige

I really like everything about this version EXCEPT the sub-titles . The Ori series had voiceovers which were effective but if you have to look away just momentarily ...... you miss something. If this series was destined for an English speaking audience I hope the DVD version is dubbed in English as was CROUCHING TIGER ............ just sayin' .................. enjoy

Think executing Yabushige for that is the last and only honor he gets having the great toranaga be his second for seppaku.

It's yabushige

i think that is Blackthorn

We need more seasons, this is not fair. They should've made a 2-3 part movie instead. Why make a one season series?

Blackthorne

Hello, I am using my wife's account but I remember in the original Shogun back in 1980. Yahoo gives angensan gives blackthorn his favorite special samurai sword. Kitana and he actually really likes him but he kills himself so maybe that's the whole thing here. Who knows. Very good series so far. I think the original was better though but then I go to. I know I'm 59 years old😮

Just watch the original series and you find out who dies and who doesn’t and or read the books they tell you who dies too

I want Ishido to die by the sword of buntato, Yambishige dies by The sword of toronaga

We might have a season Two I for one do not think this will end with this. So much yet to address, so much plot and buildup and too little time to complete it in one go. Which is to fight and bring stability within one episode is impossible.

Liciknya toranaga mengorbankan semua orang dekatnya,

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Read the book, and those who have will know how this ended

He's a funny guy no doubt, but Yabushige is absolutely nuts that has no business being with Toronoga.

Yabu is so dead

Definitely Toranaga is taking Ishodo head off.

i think Yabushige is Hediaki.

They really ruined it by just making one season, this had so much promise, so many arcs to develope, so much storyline, and now it will all be rushed in one episode for an artificial end... very dissapointed.

I'll bet Toranaga is seconding his traitorous brother who told that humiliating story at the dinner and Toranaga tells him the truth that it took his 12 year old self many attempts before he was able to fulfill his second duties and maybe this time he'll do better...maybe.

Maybe yabushike was not a traitor at all and the shinobis were sent by Toranaga in an attempt to frame Ishido that he tried to assasinate a noble family. Maybe he is captured by Ishido’s men in the trailer because they figured it out. That would be the ultimate plot twist

Worst part of this show that after we have to return to crap writing/acting we’ve all been subjected to for years now. I HATE/LOVE the fact it’s only 10 episodes so we won’t have to see this amazing fail like GoT.

I mentioned to my husband, as we watched Episode 9 yesterday, that the weakest link in this series has been the actor portraying John Blackthorne. There's no real spark for me in his performance as it was in the 1980 miniseries and the book. He's a one-dimensional character; no depth. He doesn't add anything noteworthy in the role. I can't summon empathy for him at all. The rest of the cast are absolutely brilliant and were tailor-made for the characters they play.

if someone had told me this 10 part show is 98% drama and 2% action, i would have been very patient and wait for all 10 parts to release and watch it in one go. but since the first 4 ep built up the war thing, i was so looking forward to the "war" that is never there, i just get disappointed...it is not a bad show, it is hard to explain, but it is disappointment, because i feel like i was promised something but they never delivered.

Too much emocional and drama moments and too little samurai action. Good production though!

The small sword that Samurai carried was not for combat, but existed solely for the purpose of committing suicide. Blackthorne draws this blade, not to fight, but to commit seppuku.

What a waste. Vikings 6 seasons. game of thrones 8 seasons. The joke is on you.

Show is vastly overrated

lack of actual fight scenes has just made this a high dollar soap opera...... just kind of meh at best.

DULL FINALE was a complete DUD. 📉📉📉

Imagine this in IMAX !

The real person Yabushige is based upon died of old age,. He lead one of the real Toranaga's armies but was late coming to the battle of Sekigahara? The real person wasn't executed.