Shakespeare: Original pronunciation (The Open University)

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12 жыл бұрын

An introduction by David and Ben Crystal to the 'Original Pronunciation' production of Shakespeare and what they reveal about the history of the English language.
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@eXcommunicate1979
@eXcommunicate1979 7 жыл бұрын
There's a wonderful father-son dynamic in this video.
@arturwojciechowicz3124
@arturwojciechowicz3124 5 жыл бұрын
Shakespeare sounds like county English then and now. BBC made English a bit robotic but it was in 20's-30's.
@LeslieAM32
@LeslieAM32 4 жыл бұрын
I know!! I loved it!!
@mrinvader
@mrinvader 4 жыл бұрын
Enviably awesome dynamic
@playingbadgolfwell9732
@playingbadgolfwell9732 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed. And it's apparent that they have such esteem for one another as professionals.
@volvanochaser1099
@volvanochaser1099 2 жыл бұрын
The father shows professionalism by wearing a suit for this, but the son is dressed as if his attire doesn’t matter
@thurstonxander
@thurstonxander 4 жыл бұрын
I love the pride in the fathers eyes while watching his son perform. As a dad, this made me smile.
@grargknathe170
@grargknathe170 3 жыл бұрын
As a son, this also made smile
@timflatus
@timflatus 3 жыл бұрын
I love the look that passes over Ben's eyes as he tries to remain focused on his father's spiel that he's been listening to since childbirth. :D
@tranquilrabies
@tranquilrabies 3 жыл бұрын
Loved this Shakespeare nerd father-son duo! They would probably be having this same conversation even if nobody was around.
@mitchellhawkes22
@mitchellhawkes22 3 жыл бұрын
Best part of the video, that pair. Makes me miss my dad, who couldn't recite verse, but was my business partner and a fascinating bloke.
@MaxOakland
@MaxOakland 2 жыл бұрын
It’s cute. I like how they can work together
@naturlichich218
@naturlichich218 6 жыл бұрын
Ben has quite an epic voice. He should record audio books
@1elt
@1elt 3 жыл бұрын
👍🏻👍🏻
@danielsqd
@danielsqd 3 жыл бұрын
So deep and so soothing
@dreaming_cthulhu
@dreaming_cthulhu 3 жыл бұрын
He’s also super handsome
@aw2740
@aw2740 2 жыл бұрын
ASMR
@bluesque9687
@bluesque9687 Жыл бұрын
Yea record Shakespeare's books especially!!!!
@Anna-lo5up
@Anna-lo5up 4 жыл бұрын
so you're telling me the West Country have been speaking CORRECTLY this whole time?
@BillClinton228
@BillClinton228 3 жыл бұрын
Irish... yeah seems like it.
@eruantien9932
@eruantien9932 3 жыл бұрын
Actually, it's neither. I can hear bits of Irish and bits of West Country in there, but there's bits of other accents in there too. Which makes sense really, London at the time was as much a melting pot as it is now, and people were also leaving London to go to other places; this is why we hear Irish and West Country, and why in some bits or OP performances you hear bits of Australian accents and US accents too.
@Anna-lo5up
@Anna-lo5up 3 жыл бұрын
@@eruantien9932 there were no British people in Australia until 1788. There were no British people in what is now the USA until 1607. Shakespeare died in 1613. There was no such concept at the time- let alone 'American' or 'Australian' accents, so what you're saying about those is completely irrelevant. My comment was actually a light-hearted dig because a lot of people in the UK have preconceptions about West Country people which don't particularly fit in with the thespian scene, and Irish people sound completely different to OP, so that leaves, well, West Country....
@EliteRock
@EliteRock 3 жыл бұрын
Yep, even if they do have trouble with 'open' vowels. The name of the city of Bath might well be correctly pronounced as it's spelled ('baath'), rather than the way those from the Thames Valley do ('barth'), but at least the latter can do the both the open and closed 'a' (along with the other vowels) required for both pronunciations.
@jonathanaldecoa1099
@jonathanaldecoa1099 3 жыл бұрын
Owen Palmer indeed good sir, sounds very West Country. You can hear West Country in Appalachia America and the islands off North Carolina as well.
@rolfwolf1346
@rolfwolf1346 8 жыл бұрын
As a native german speaker, it was actually easier for me to understand OP than the modern version. It seems to me that OP conforms more accurately to the way letters are pronounced when spelled individually. It sounds more "German".
@emmetor
@emmetor 7 жыл бұрын
You should search for that Eddie Izzard video where he buys a brown cow from a farmer in Friesland, using middle english
@TheTaterTotP80
@TheTaterTotP80 7 жыл бұрын
Well it's a Celtic language and Germanic. There's a lot of research now into how Germanic it really is, both Germanic and Celtic languages possibly come from the same Proto base and Celtic influenced Germanic languages a lot, but for a long time that's gone understated.
@LoanwordEggcorn
@LoanwordEggcorn 7 жыл бұрын
+TheTaterTotP80 English is a Germanic language with a few Celtic borrowings. It has a lot more French borrowings.
@user-uc9py3gy8x
@user-uc9py3gy8x 7 жыл бұрын
thats because old english is built upon german dumbass
@LoanwordEggcorn
@LoanwordEggcorn 7 жыл бұрын
Einarr Michaelsson Correct. English is Germanic with mostly French borrowings. If one goes back far enough in the language family tree, most, but not all, languages in Europe in recent centuries have a common ancestor in Proto-Indo-European. That was quite far back in human history.
@saltycrunch
@saltycrunch 8 жыл бұрын
Ben (the son) Crystal needs to narrate Shakespeare for audiobooks.
@kathleenanaya6721
@kathleenanaya6721 5 жыл бұрын
Shakespeare playd
@dububro
@dububro 5 жыл бұрын
He also needs to make an ASMR channel.
@jonathanbirst3306
@jonathanbirst3306 4 жыл бұрын
Its been done!
@Chaos-232
@Chaos-232 4 жыл бұрын
Yesssss
@mariobro3351
@mariobro3351 4 жыл бұрын
His voice is honey on french toast.
@robins7730
@robins7730 5 жыл бұрын
For some reason the OP sounds just like Hagrid's accent to me.
@pianofry1138
@pianofry1138 4 жыл бұрын
I was gonna say Agird too Aryy
@TheAngryCoyote
@TheAngryCoyote 4 жыл бұрын
I thought Barbossa from PotC
@fds7476
@fds7476 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, because Hagrid's and Barbossa's dialects are from approximately the same region: Somerset and Avon.
@georgejo7905
@georgejo7905 3 жыл бұрын
scots kept it alive
@metteholm4833
@metteholm4833 3 жыл бұрын
It sounds rather like some irish -and Yorkshire mix.
@l1233799
@l1233799 4 жыл бұрын
Here from the Today I Found Out channel
@knewledge8626
@knewledge8626 4 жыл бұрын
I think Simon is doing things to our heads. 😁
@23Khameo
@23Khameo 4 жыл бұрын
l1233799 me too!
@wadetisthammer3612
@wadetisthammer3612 4 жыл бұрын
Me too!
@KeithCooper-Albuquerque
@KeithCooper-Albuquerque 4 жыл бұрын
As am I.
@Garryck-1
@Garryck-1 4 жыл бұрын
Likewise...
@catherinekyngdon327
@catherinekyngdon327 7 жыл бұрын
I really couldn't 'read' Chaucer's Tales until one day I began to read it with the accent of my former, very elderly, English neighbour. Couldn't stop me then. It rumbled along, brightly and merrily. I could understand it and it rhymed beautifully.
@Bklyn93
@Bklyn93 6 ай бұрын
Could you perhaps make a video of you reading it in said accent? I’d be curious to hear
@freitagt1553
@freitagt1553 7 жыл бұрын
"You're a wizard harry"
@joanthemad5894
@joanthemad5894 7 жыл бұрын
Freitag T15 lol
@Nullllus
@Nullllus 7 жыл бұрын
Freitag, yer pushin me ovar the fockin loin!
@Hazel_Velociraptor
@Hazel_Velociraptor 7 жыл бұрын
"You're warlike, Harry... Wait..."
@mythrin
@mythrin 6 жыл бұрын
LMAO
@brookenjonas
@brookenjonas 6 жыл бұрын
I’m a what?
@haleydunning3819
@haleydunning3819 5 жыл бұрын
that "actor impression" Ben did made me laugh my ass off, I know way too many actors who sound EXACTLY like that
@omarahmed83
@omarahmed83 3 жыл бұрын
Normal People: I'm hungry mom Shakespeare: Birthgiver, let it be known that this stomach consists of emptiness
@MATRIXDEMI
@MATRIXDEMI 3 жыл бұрын
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@benparsons4979
@benparsons4979 3 жыл бұрын
I have a friend who actually speaks like that on occasion and it's the most annoying thing
@omarahmed83
@omarahmed83 3 жыл бұрын
@Quentin Shock lol 😆
@safinarana1974
@safinarana1974 3 жыл бұрын
😁
@fajarnur3750
@fajarnur3750 3 жыл бұрын
It’s beautiful tho
@brt5273
@brt5273 4 жыл бұрын
"There's something about working our way back to Shakespeare, rather than dragging him into the 20th century" Very true, and as stated earlier it changes more than just the pronunciation of words. There is a shift in consciousness and an experience that is unrealized otherwise.
@JR-zi9vj
@JR-zi9vj Жыл бұрын
Cultures comedy, expression, irony, satire change entirely in languges especially when u go back hundreds of years
@kayamateful
@kayamateful 10 жыл бұрын
My favorite thing about this whole video is the relationship between dad and son. Imagine having the same intellectual interests as your dad and being able to study it together -- how cool.
@oulipolesceptique9449
@oulipolesceptique9449 4 жыл бұрын
I had no idea that David Crystal would be narrating this video with his son. Having read pretty much every book that the father has written about language, but never having heard him talk, I was immensely pleased to find this video, and to find that his son is as much given to the study of language as his father.
@IamGulzow
@IamGulzow 4 жыл бұрын
I have honestly never been a big fan of o'l Billy Shookhisspear, but hearing it in op makes it sound down to earth and charming rather than highfalutin and pompous. I could get into this.
@rage8010
@rage8010 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting, I agree. I think your comment puts it into words for me. It changes the whole tone tbh. Much better imo.
@mikeschouten4732
@mikeschouten4732 4 жыл бұрын
Well said...I’ve always felt the same.
@ThinWhiteAxe
@ThinWhiteAxe 4 жыл бұрын
@Bigdog Billdog yep, and very bawdy at times 😅 he knew what was popular
@SXJAYSX
@SXJAYSX 4 жыл бұрын
Also I could listen to this guy read me his grocery list and still fall in love lol
@pragon1173
@pragon1173 4 жыл бұрын
You should see drunk productions of Shakespeare and you'll see how grounded his works are
@nonotreallyok
@nonotreallyok 7 жыл бұрын
I need these two to do a podcast of the complete works of Shakespeare.
@beth9015
@beth9015 4 жыл бұрын
Ben already has several audiobooks including Shakespeare in OP.
@LQOTW
@LQOTW 2 жыл бұрын
@@beth9015 Awesome, thanks!
@dawayGodmademe
@dawayGodmademe 9 жыл бұрын
The young bloke's voice in op is GORGEOUS. I have already begun planning our wedding.
@andymac4883
@andymac4883 4 жыл бұрын
The comment on the pun of loins/lines in the prologue to Romeo and Juliet makes me wonder if another possible pun was intended; the way scene is pronounced like sin. "In fair Verona, where we lay our sin."
@VictorStrangeBowling
@VictorStrangeBowling 2 жыл бұрын
Good spot.
@kirsteni.russell5903
@kirsteni.russell5903 5 жыл бұрын
OP is delightful! I would love to hear a Shakespeare play rendered in that "earthy" accent.
@pineapplepeanuts
@pineapplepeanuts 6 жыл бұрын
He mentioned the humor. I took an English lit class and got to reading Shakespeare for the first time and noticed the same thing. Couldn't believe how raunchy and irreverent his work was. Everyone assumes that his work is like holy scripture that should be read in a Catholic ceremony or something. Not the case. Very racy at times. And the puns are genius. This info on the accent sheds even more light on it. Great stuff.
@04nbod
@04nbod 4 жыл бұрын
I knew Shakespeare could be bawdy but I had this reaction to Charles Dickens. We expect the Victorians to be so austere but he is hilarious.
@pillbobaggins2766
@pillbobaggins2766 4 жыл бұрын
He also invented a lot of phrases we use today like “wild goose chase”
@elizabethh8579
@elizabethh8579 4 жыл бұрын
A similar lofty ideal can be applied to Mozart.
@GenieGin13
@GenieGin13 4 жыл бұрын
absolutely! for the average person who didn't do music, they know mozart the music prodigy and a fancy composer. for musicians classically trained, we can't not have a laugh about it. "Leck mich im Arsch" (literally "Lick Me in the Ass")
@pandapower5902
@pandapower5902 4 жыл бұрын
well the bible has a lot of violent and raunchy stuff in it too
@joewalker643
@joewalker643 7 жыл бұрын
I knew it! It's something that has always bothered me about "The Tyger" a poem by William Blake. The main part goes "Tyger Tyger burning bright, in the forest of the night. What immortal hand or eye, dare frame thy fearful symmetry." It always bothered me during gcse English that he went to such great lengths to make the whole thing rhyme apart from eye and symmetry and I put it to my teacher that perhaps the word at the time was pronounced more like sim-e-try and she had no clue. I knew it.
@stephenf.8186
@stephenf.8186 5 жыл бұрын
Joe Walker / in this instance, the word 'eye' is pronounced - aye, that would rhyme with symmetry - as should be pronounced - 'sim-e-tray' (short - e). | The 'ay' in pronouncing 'eye' are slurred together almost as if the 'a' can barely but noticeably be heard. Kind of either old-style cockney or Irish accent on the word 'eye'. | 'Symmetry', is not pronounced 'symme-try', but here, as well, the 'y' has an 'a' invisibly sitting on its left, and is also slurred in to the 'y'. ~Now read the lines again, pronouncing them in the above noted fashion. Hope this makes sense. | Again, 'aye' & 'simetray'. | The 'y' in symmetry is cut short, not dragged out. [Don't forget the accent when pronouncing]
@badjemima
@badjemima 5 жыл бұрын
I think by the time Blake was writing, we were in the modern English period. Shakespeare lived 200 years earlier.
@StarlitSeafoam
@StarlitSeafoam 5 жыл бұрын
@@badjemima It's called the Modern English period, but the most widely spread accent in London at the time was probably closer to OP than modern accents. Whether they still pronounced "eye" and "-y" endings exactly as in Shakespeare's day probably depended on the person, since some areas might have held onto the pronunciation longer than others. I *think*, though I'm not sure, that there might be some areas that still use a similar pronunciation. I don't know where Blake was from originally, but he lived in London for years, so quite possibly spoke with an OP like accent. Accents probably changed a bit slower thanks to there being no way to transmit the sound of human speech except actual contact.
@daviddemar8749
@daviddemar8749 4 жыл бұрын
Me too ! It stumped me in high school and college and for decades afterwards. It's jarring in modern English, but it's stellar in OP !!!
@andrewdevine3920
@andrewdevine3920 4 жыл бұрын
Well, you must be very smart. Give yourself a pat on the back.
@ejcm55
@ejcm55 6 жыл бұрын
To me this was like music appreciation. Yes. Ben's voice is compelling in any register. You have introduced me to concepts I have never considered. Thank you both.
@sircharlesmormont9300
@sircharlesmormont9300 4 жыл бұрын
Ben's got a fabulous voice! I want him to just sort of growl stuff in the background while I tackle my grad school work.
@frantic1971
@frantic1971 8 жыл бұрын
Does anyone else think that Ben Crystal (the younger man) has the dreamiest voice? I could listen to him all day....
@2HRTS1LOVE
@2HRTS1LOVE 5 жыл бұрын
He needs to read audio books.
@kathybramley5609
@kathybramley5609 4 жыл бұрын
@@2HRTS1LOVE He probably does...
@_Cato_
@_Cato_ 4 жыл бұрын
jack johnson I mean, it also helps that he's a handsome dude
@SammyJ_Studios
@SammyJ_Studios 7 жыл бұрын
I want to adopt this accent and use it forever
@VarietyGamerChannel
@VarietyGamerChannel 7 жыл бұрын
You want to be upper class Irish?
@SammyJ_Studios
@SammyJ_Studios 7 жыл бұрын
VarietyGamer Actually yes, that would be awesome. I actually love Irish culture. My channel name is even made up of phonetic Gaeilge.
@captaincinema5066
@captaincinema5066 7 жыл бұрын
No one will ever know what in hell you are talking about. :-)
@jeffreysetapak
@jeffreysetapak 7 жыл бұрын
Never mind, he will suffer the consequence, not you. Who cares???
@freedomwarrior7734
@freedomwarrior7734 7 жыл бұрын
Problem is just that most people wont understand you.
@zaphodbeeblebrox3986
@zaphodbeeblebrox3986 4 жыл бұрын
When Ben speaks OP he sounds like he has a subwoofer in his chest.
@Chief2Moon
@Chief2Moon 4 жыл бұрын
The constant evolution of language does indeed make it a living thing.
@stevekaczynski3793
@stevekaczynski3793 7 жыл бұрын
The impression I get is that Shakespearean Londoners spoke rather like West Country people today. Irish and Scots also preserve some aspects of older English pronunciation. Even Americans, perhaps.
@stevekaczynski3793
@stevekaczynski3793 7 жыл бұрын
Yes, and scholars studying his work claim to find Warwickshire dialect words here and there. But he wrote his plays for a London audience in the first instance and the actors were probably mostly Londoners too. He could not have afforded to be too Warwickshire, I suspect.
@stevekaczynski3793
@stevekaczynski3793 7 жыл бұрын
Given the difficulties of travel in those days, I suspect most of them were from the southern half of England at least. In "A Dead Man In Deptford", Anthony Burgess has Londoners trying to lynch a man from northern England because they believe he is Flemish. Looking at Shakespeare's contemporary playwrights and where they came from, Marlowe was from Canterbury, Ben Jonson was born in London though his family reputedly originated in the Borders near Scotland, Thomas Nashe was from Suffolk and Gabriel Harvey from Essex. In fact Shakespeare's origins lay further north than most of them, and he may well have had a distinctive accent in London terms.
@AndresLopez-rv9sz
@AndresLopez-rv9sz 7 жыл бұрын
"Even Americans, perhaps." LMAO!! I love us Americans, but I have to admit that we have the least expressive, least interesting of all the major English-language accents!!! :P
@AndresLopez-rv9sz
@AndresLopez-rv9sz 7 жыл бұрын
Good point; the peripheral (read: non-general) accents of American English seem to be far more expressive! Unfortunately I'm "cursed" with having the blandest, most Midwestern of American accents-but don't get me wrong: I completely appreciate sounding like the likes of George Clooney, et al. ;)
@stevekaczynski3793
@stevekaczynski3793 7 жыл бұрын
Did Clarice Starling in "Silence of the Lambs" have a Shakespearian accent?
@happyuk06
@happyuk06 7 жыл бұрын
Superb. The BBC should start broadcasting late-night Open University modules AGAIN. There was nothing quite like coming home bladdered on a Friday night and sitting through these lectures, which though they tended to go right over my head, I still felt like I was being educated somehow.
@kevina6416
@kevina6416 3 жыл бұрын
I love how pointless and yet not pointless this line of work is. It's beautiful if you think about it. I wouldn't have it any other way. Keep up the good work. I hope new generations follow in your footsteps and keep history alive.
@harrycook9041
@harrycook9041 5 жыл бұрын
I've met Crystal in real life, he's really, really nice and intelligent.
@kaymuldoon3575
@kaymuldoon3575 4 жыл бұрын
Trekkie 135 he seems like a really nice guy. Both of them, actually.
@ianhowlett4682
@ianhowlett4682 Жыл бұрын
I agree. I’ve been to several of his lectures (first in about 1996, last in 2019 I think). He is incredibly knowledgeable but also very friendly and approachable. He’s got an infectious enthusiasm for his subject, and he really brings it to life. An amazing scholar and teacher.
@MichaelBerthelsen
@MichaelBerthelsen 7 жыл бұрын
Pardon the language, but that sounds badass. It's an amazing experience to hear the OP, and how much more alive it feels, compared to modern English.
@Morfeusm
@Morfeusm 7 жыл бұрын
Michael Berthelsen you have nothing to apologize. It's fucking amazing accent! It really shows what means to put something out of context. It sterilize the plays in a way, methinks...
@CelestialExility
@CelestialExility 4 жыл бұрын
I know this was 3 years ago, but... “Pardon the language”... Boomer spotted
@MichaelBerthelsen
@MichaelBerthelsen 4 жыл бұрын
@@CelestialExility I'm 32, dipshit.
@iKSmurf
@iKSmurf 4 жыл бұрын
@@CelestialExility A boomer in his prime.
@Pliskkenn
@Pliskkenn 9 жыл бұрын
So my Devon accent is actually closer to Shakespeare than my terrible attempts ate a news reader's voice.
@colinp2238
@colinp2238 7 жыл бұрын
Yow shud tri it inna brummie accent bab
@limeykl
@limeykl 5 жыл бұрын
colin Paterson lol!!!
@matildas3177
@matildas3177 5 жыл бұрын
Personally I think it sounds a bit German. It shows the roots of the English language more than todays modern pronunciation
@YangSing1
@YangSing1 5 жыл бұрын
Matilda S I’m from England I don’t think it sound like German, it sounds like Old English
@beckynelson6786
@beckynelson6786 4 жыл бұрын
David Crystal has done some great work on linguistics. Respect!
@CaitlinDull
@CaitlinDull 4 жыл бұрын
This is amazing. I wish I could watch these being performed in OP. This is so cool.
@candiduscorvus
@candiduscorvus 8 жыл бұрын
So in Shakespeare's time the English sounded like pirates. It's amazing how much sense this makes.
@bri-annaedwardine1697
@bri-annaedwardine1697 6 жыл бұрын
Joke... why do Shakespearean actors sound like pirates? Because they ARRRRRRR
@mfulton1608
@mfulton1608 6 жыл бұрын
A pirates favourite letter isn't Rrrrr . They loves the Cccc !!!
@TitanFind
@TitanFind 6 жыл бұрын
Most modern Americans essentially sound like pirates. It’s all rhotic. Indeed, only a few American dialects are non-rhotic, most obviously Boston, and this is regarded by Americans as sounding very funny. Whereas of course in the UK it’s the rhotic accents that seem comedic.
@TheTaterTotP80
@TheTaterTotP80 5 жыл бұрын
No. This is one dialect and accent of the many accents that exists now in Britain and did then.
@TheTaterTotP80
@TheTaterTotP80 5 жыл бұрын
Americans don't sound like Pirates at all. Nor West Country (except for that West Country region in North Carolina where they still sound British and somewhere in Virginia with the same). Rhoticism =/= Pirates. There's more to the accent and dialect than that.
@RockLegend2A
@RockLegend2A 7 жыл бұрын
Ben's rightward slant in posture makes him look like an Assassin's Creed character.
@adamharris-batt6333
@adamharris-batt6333 4 жыл бұрын
That's so specific but I know exactly what you mean lmao
@petrosE75
@petrosE75 5 жыл бұрын
Great video! You and your son have an amazing passion for history. More than that, your father-son relationship speaks volumes of your dedication as a parent. (I visited the Globe once. The history was palpable.)
@zahemiazulislami2595
@zahemiazulislami2595 6 жыл бұрын
It is great to have your son inherits your dad's interest and becomes part of the faculty
@RonRicho
@RonRicho 7 жыл бұрын
Aside from the brilliance of this short video this is a glimpse of a wonderful father/son relationship and I am a bit more than envious.
@iOnlySignIn
@iOnlySignIn 9 жыл бұрын
So OP sounds like Hagrid?
@savagegardenrox
@savagegardenrox 9 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I knew I wasn't crazy
@fomkaSS
@fomkaSS 9 жыл бұрын
iOnlySignIn Robert Newton as Long John Silver
@TunbridgeWellsSpanish
@TunbridgeWellsSpanish 8 жыл бұрын
lol
@tomservo75
@tomservo75 8 жыл бұрын
+iOnlySignIn LOL I was just about to say that!
@thegayestgoth
@thegayestgoth 8 жыл бұрын
yayyy
@Lindeman08
@Lindeman08 5 жыл бұрын
I'd be perfectly fine with Ben voicing the next installment of Civilization.
@ThePhantomSafetyPin
@ThePhantomSafetyPin 3 жыл бұрын
He really sounds like he should VO for Dark Souls or something. It would fit right in.
@PLuMUK54
@PLuMUK54 5 жыл бұрын
OP can still be heard in Warwickshire villages, especially in North Warwickshire. When I was at school, over 50 years ago, studying Shakespeare was easy, because it is written in the same rhythm and tempo as that being spoken around me, and then much of the pronunciation was very similar.
@carlmac4446
@carlmac4446 7 жыл бұрын
I prefer the original pronunciation
@jaymcmurdo5584
@jaymcmurdo5584 8 жыл бұрын
Hounds = 'ewnds = West country Lines = laynes = West Country Rounded 'R's = Irish, West Country Dropped 'h's = Yorkshire Film = 'fillem' = North East Fire = 'Fiyer' = North East Port of Mars = Port o' Mars = Yorkshire Hour = 'orr = Northern Irish Interesting!
@StormkeeperXS
@StormkeeperXS 8 жыл бұрын
"Fillum" for "film" (or similar) also appears in Irish.
@flossie5432
@flossie5432 7 жыл бұрын
It does, but my great grandad was still calling film "Fillum" in the 1930's.And he was from Shropshire-not too far from Warwickshire or the Midlands ,where the OP accent derives in this video.
@gewgulkansuhckitt9086
@gewgulkansuhckitt9086 4 жыл бұрын
Also, Fire = "Fiyer" in the song "Fire" by the Ohio City Players. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z96hgLxpuqerl5s.html
@SG-1-GRC
@SG-1-GRC 4 жыл бұрын
Fiyer is Yorkshire as well. Depending on how rural the speaker is. I've heard fire pronounced like that in Holmfirth. To me OP sounds like a mix of Yorkshire and Norfolk/Suffolk accent. Often archaic pronunciation and older words have been preserved in more isolated parts of the country. I used Thee and Thou as a child as did my peers. I only dropped it when I had speech therapy to overcome a lisp. Although Thou was pronounced Thar and thy self was thissen.
6 жыл бұрын
The young guy's voice is amazing.
@coffeemachtspass
@coffeemachtspass 5 жыл бұрын
I had some free time last year and started reading Shakespeare on a whim, which I hadn’t done since school. I’ve really come to enjoy the stories and characters, but more than anything, the tremendous flow of the words. God, what a talent. This video has made it even more intriguing.
@mixolydian2010
@mixolydian2010 8 жыл бұрын
I am blown away bye the innuendo, puns they have demonstrated. Reminds me of my time battling through Finnegan's wake there are many puns around Shakespeare and many more of the cycle of death and birth and sex. The text as read in OP was a revelation, wonderful video and work they have done.
@Efreeti
@Efreeti 6 жыл бұрын
Exactly my reaction to hearing it as well!
@suzylux
@suzylux 7 жыл бұрын
It's amazing isn't it? Changes everything; so much of the tone, meaning and intention of Shakespeare's plays is not what we thought it was.
@williamb1195
@williamb1195 4 жыл бұрын
Having read so much of Shakespeare I found this awesome. Totally fascinating. And great dynamic between father and son. One of the best videos I have seen on any topic!
@misamisaa4547
@misamisaa4547 4 жыл бұрын
Came for Shakespeare, stayed for the kid being absolutely precious
@annosborne-reed2365
@annosborne-reed2365 7 жыл бұрын
I'll have to say that after listening to OP I understand a bit more about the dialect of the Appalachian people in the US. So very similar.
@Bearsca
@Bearsca 9 жыл бұрын
Two thoughts run through my head after having watched this: 1) I've never been this excited about anything having to do with Shakespeare before. 2) I'm completely falling in love with Ben.
@OBIIIIIIIII
@OBIIIIIIIII 8 ай бұрын
I love the change in personality one has when they speak different languages - or in this case, different pronunciation. It’s so weird but fascinating
@mephostopheles3752
@mephostopheles3752 4 жыл бұрын
Ben Crystal’s OP voice is absolutely flooring. Total unit.
@aysardrabick5021
@aysardrabick5021 9 жыл бұрын
I love this! Shakespeare was one of my favorite classes I took in undergrad college. The gentleman who taught it was the school's dean: it was his one class he taught, and he would get really into it- he'd jump on top of desks and start sword fights to get us into the play readings! I was indifferent to Shakespeare prior to his class, and left the course loving the plays! I've even been to the Globe theater to watch a play in London since then!
@bri-annaedwardine1697
@bri-annaedwardine1697 6 жыл бұрын
Except it's called the Globe theatre if it's in London dear.
@_hexes_
@_hexes_ 6 жыл бұрын
Man, consider yourself lucky: I have an exam tomorrow morning for my undergrad Elizabethan Shakespeare class with the most boring professor of all If I had your professor maybe I would've read the plays a bit more!
@kentondickerson
@kentondickerson 6 жыл бұрын
My twelfth grade English teacher danced around the waste basket as she chanted "Double double toil and trouble fire burn and cauldron bubble".
@whitetigress7448
@whitetigress7448 6 жыл бұрын
Ass is spelled the spelled the same way whether you're British or American.
@Jillybeth
@Jillybeth 6 жыл бұрын
Aysar, my Shakespeare prof played all the parts, too, with great gusto! His classes were the most popular in the department!
@matteuklol
@matteuklol 8 жыл бұрын
Everyone was from devon 300 years ago?
@randerson1893
@randerson1893 8 жыл бұрын
+SQUAREHEAD Kinda makes sense really . Modern english accents came into being with immigration caused by large industrial cites (London,Birmingham,liverpool, Newcastle ect). discounting North Yorkshire and Cumbria (who have been more isolated and culturally distinct until recent times) the only other relativity rural areas (south west, east anglia, welsh border) Have maintained an accent similar to this one
@DieFlabbergast
@DieFlabbergast 8 жыл бұрын
+Robert Anderson The immigration factor that you cite accounts only for those regional urban accents that you mention. But what does that have to do with the content of this video? They are comparing Shakespeare's accent with modern Received Pronunciation, also known as Oxford English or BBC English, which is an accent that has evolved since Shakespeare's day for purely domestic reasons, with no input from immigrants. And, yes, SQUAREHEAD is right, in a sense. The modern West Country accent is one of the most conservative accents in England. People across much of England - with the exception of the north - would have spoken like this in the 16th-17th centuries.
@t.c.bramblett617
@t.c.bramblett617 8 жыл бұрын
+SQUAREHEAD Of course, everyone was a pirate then ;)
@randerson1893
@randerson1893 8 жыл бұрын
+channelnw I was referring to Industrial migratation (irish and whatnot rather than a UKIP approach) . didn't know that about American thanks :)
@randerson1893
@randerson1893 8 жыл бұрын
+DieFlabbergast I was just comparing why Norfolk and the south westen accents are so similar and how it links back to the content of this video
@Industrial_R
@Industrial_R 3 жыл бұрын
I so enjoyed seeing the love and pride in the father observing his son throughout this video.
@victoriacpurington1742
@victoriacpurington1742 4 жыл бұрын
Love it! The relationship between father and son is also a marvel to behold. Wonderful!
@ladydusk1
@ladydusk1 9 жыл бұрын
They both have beautiful voices. I'd like the younger to talk me to sleep every night :)
@Runabou
@Runabou 9 жыл бұрын
***** Christ, stupid people are quick to jump to the sexuality "insults." Do you kiss your mum with that mouth?
@Runabou
@Runabou 9 жыл бұрын
Kids, stop taking the internet so seriously. The sooner you stop, the sooner the trolls will go back under their bridges, m'kay?
@DownFlex
@DownFlex 9 жыл бұрын
damn... Bens voice.... im jelly...
@qwasd0r
@qwasd0r 6 жыл бұрын
This is what happens if you shout on a stage for years.
@16voyeur
@16voyeur 6 жыл бұрын
He could read me the phone book any ol' time!
@Problembeing
@Problembeing 4 жыл бұрын
That young man can growl in that accent in my ear until his heart be content 😜
@MATRIXDEMI
@MATRIXDEMI 3 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ftF_Y7Gcm7yVj6c.html
@MeganMcIntosh
@MeganMcIntosh 4 жыл бұрын
It doesn’t sound as different as I thought it would. All the same, lovely to hear them speaking.
@Zaghzackio
@Zaghzackio 8 жыл бұрын
You're a wizard Harry
@stephenday9442
@stephenday9442 8 жыл бұрын
I'm a what?
@Zaghzackio
@Zaghzackio 8 жыл бұрын
Stephen Day Sounds like hagrid when he does the voice
@stephenday9442
@stephenday9442 8 жыл бұрын
Haha I know mate, I was doing the response from Harry in the Gary's Mod video.
@Zaghzackio
@Zaghzackio 8 жыл бұрын
Stephen Day Cheers
@frakkintoasterluvva7920
@frakkintoasterluvva7920 4 жыл бұрын
Because Robbie Coltrane is Scottish, and the OP sounds a lot like a Scottish accenr.
@Reece_Hart
@Reece_Hart 8 жыл бұрын
The OP pronunciation reminds me a bit of the Gloucestershire and other South West English accents.
@debapambose8907
@debapambose8907 8 жыл бұрын
+Finnegan Hartross It does, doesn't it. Like Hagrid from harry potter
@E3ECO
@E3ECO 8 жыл бұрын
+Finnegan Hartross Gloucestershire was my first thought when I heard it.
@isabelamacavei8418
@isabelamacavei8418 7 ай бұрын
What a lovely relationship between father and son! I learned more from this video than ever before about Shakespeare. Ironically, I take an etymology course, and this was an extraordinary lesson for me. Thank you!
@activeentropy
@activeentropy 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fascinating, love the extra depth gained to the old English tales.
@AndreyShipilovCom
@AndreyShipilovCom 10 жыл бұрын
At least OP had more consistent pronunciation. Unlike modern English which is basically a huge set of exceptions.
@FBSidious
@FBSidious 10 жыл бұрын
***** Yes, and that's exactly why English is the global language and continues to evolve and improve naturally, whereas Spanish and German have been rotting away for centuries and will likely disappear within the next decades.
@AndreyShipilovCom
@AndreyShipilovCom 10 жыл бұрын
Enter a name here Exactly why? Spanish and German are easier to learn and comprehend, my friend. In so many ways.
@SJDPS
@SJDPS 10 жыл бұрын
Enter a name here English is the global language because "it won" two world wars.
@FBSidious
@FBSidious 10 жыл бұрын
***** First of all, I'm not your friend. Secondly, you addressing me with "you guys" reveals what a presumptuous and superficial individual you are (try to say that in Spanish or German, fronted gerund.) I was born in Germany (I'm fluent in German) and I speak some Italian and French. I know a thing or two about linguistics, which prompts me to doubt your ability to have a serious discussion on the subject of languages given your outrageous statements. Normally I wouldn't have responded, however your reply is simply too delicious to ignore. You've got it TOTALLY backwards. Your embarrassing bias conceals from you the fact that English not only has by far the largest vocabulary of all languages but is also the shortest and most easily comprehensible. Spanish and German aren't more complex. Their grammar is just more complicated in tense, gender and case markings, all of which are obsolete in English. The more primitive the language, the more complicated its grammar. The proto-indoeuropean language from which almost all languages from Iceland to India descend had the most complicated grammar. It was continuously simplified so that you get Koine Greek and Latin around the first century B.C. before finally arriving at English. Ludicrous language regulation in Spain, Germany and France are the exact reason why these languages don't change, even though linguists agree on a descriptive, not prescriptive approach. One ought to record what the people are saying, not dictate what the people should say. We would still communicate with grunts and barking if language had never changed. (Hey, do you have three different if-clauses in Spanish, too?) English dropped most of that complicated grammar in favor of brevity and a focus on more complex distinctions in meaning. That's why English is the easiest to learn at the start but gets the most difficult once you arrive at idiomatic expressions, tense and aspect. Every linguistics professor I've ever spoken to agrees. Spanish, Italian, French and German may have a shitload of irregular verb forms and case markings you have to slavishly memorize but English possesses true diversity and challenge in meaning. Spanish isn't the third most important language, it has merely the third largest population of native speakers. In the scientific community, German, Italian and Japanese are all more important than Spanish. Furthermore I disagree on the point that most native Spanish speakers are more proficient in their language than the English ones (and it's not the English language's fault that you express yourself so poorly). Clearly you are mistaken since the vast majority of Spanish speakers reside in developing countries whereas the largest population of native English speakers, Americans, also happen to comprise the world's largest middle class as well as its largest and most advanced scientific community. Why would the former be smarter than the latter on average? Your evidence to the contrary must be anecdotal. Besides, I would in turn wager my life that even a fairly uneducated native English speaker could still express themselves about a number of issues more briefly, precisely, adequately and with more wit than even a highly educated native Spanish or German speaker with their lame, antiquated, out-of-touch vocabulary and 800-year-old grammar.
@FBSidious
@FBSidious 10 жыл бұрын
***** It's nice of you to admit your defeat. I knew you'd be afraid to read my reply. By the way. English has more second-language speakers than Mandarin plus it is the international language of science and technology. That's what makes it the global language. And in an increasingly globalized society, other languages including Spanish and German will perish (especially since Europe's population is rapidly declining.) My argument still stands. Yours is unfounded and biased, muchacho.
@mraaronhd
@mraaronhd 9 жыл бұрын
As an American, I can't help but feel much closer to my British ancestral heritage after listening to those gentlemen say it in the OP. It's amazing to know that American colonialists and British main landers once had the same accent. Love to the British and the common wealth.
@debtansey89
@debtansey89 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, this explains the North American accents very well.
@heleinakirsten8495
@heleinakirsten8495 5 жыл бұрын
I'd rather listen to Ben's voice all day than srsly do anything else.
@annereidy7981
@annereidy7981 3 жыл бұрын
Ben has a beautiful voice, so much so, that I wish all Shakespeare were delivered this way. I think I was one of the lucky audience members at the Globe for this version of 'Romeo and Juliet'! Thank you for this, much enjoyed! And, of course, Ben is so right about theatre times, I saw Mark Rylance play Richard II at the Globe in the early evening, and the performance was brilliant in the sense that you felt you were listening to the appeals of Richard, himself. Never forgot it, making eye to eye contact with Richard II as he sprinkled rose petals into the audience!
@carwyn3691
@carwyn3691 8 жыл бұрын
Ben has the sexiest voice I've ever heard
@nelsonricardo3729
@nelsonricardo3729 8 жыл бұрын
+Fernando Batista Whether he speaks RP or OP, he makes me melt. I bet he sounds great even in Cockney, Brummie, or Geordie.
@loriscannataro9000
@loriscannataro9000 8 жыл бұрын
I know right!?
@clairevue2667
@clairevue2667 8 жыл бұрын
Quite dreamy. And he doesn't hurt the eyes either.
@BrianzXz
@BrianzXz 8 жыл бұрын
+Fernando Batista I think he eats gravel. I want to give him water and a cough drop. Also, I feel that my manhood has been challenged.
@Tmanaz480
@Tmanaz480 7 жыл бұрын
I think it moved.
@Jbm0230
@Jbm0230 7 жыл бұрын
6:35 "No man ever loved..." "Yea" The redhead's voice is so low it gives me anxiety.
@IamtheWV17
@IamtheWV17 6 жыл бұрын
His description of transporting oneself back to the era and raising the hairs... was 100% accurate. My first hearing my skin shivered!
@ellalarson9020
@ellalarson9020 2 жыл бұрын
This was fascinating! I wish they had footage from the productions, but I loved hearing the comparison between the two pronunciations
@UnintentionalSubmarine
@UnintentionalSubmarine 7 жыл бұрын
Got to love how the OP makes the crass humour stand out. I love it. Such a contrast to how Shakeseare is so often portrayed. It really makes the haughty and stuffy modern (or 'classical' for bonus irony) Shakespeare sound horribly out of place, and maybe even a little comical. Ok, it has always been slightly unintentionally comical, but more than that I mean. At it's core. Thank you for forever ruining Shakespeare unless it is in OP.
@Swenglish
@Swenglish 9 жыл бұрын
I accidentally clicked my way here. Glad I did. Very interesting.
@janayah2521
@janayah2521 9 жыл бұрын
Tasteful Tuna lmao same
@benjaminwoodrowmusic6070
@benjaminwoodrowmusic6070 9 жыл бұрын
We're you watching prosthetic penis videos like me lol
@Swenglish
@Swenglish 9 жыл бұрын
benjamin woodrow I don't believe so.
@benjaminwoodrowmusic6070
@benjaminwoodrowmusic6070 9 жыл бұрын
Not to worry then
@maestroCanuck
@maestroCanuck 4 жыл бұрын
As a Canadian, I am all for pronouncing the r after vowels! Enjoyed this video a lot. Thank you for posting it.
@johnnyblank955
@johnnyblank955 Жыл бұрын
That was a fascinating video, really enjoyed it! I would love to see Shakespeare done in original pronunciation. Both David and Ben Crystal seem like fantastic actors and teachers.
@adoptdontshop7898
@adoptdontshop7898 7 жыл бұрын
Oh dear Lord, that voice! Talk about "killing me softly"!
@ChrisTopheRaz
@ChrisTopheRaz 8 жыл бұрын
I now must re-read every play from the top. Brilliant....I love this new perspective knowing it was the intended perspective.
@BlessedBeyondCompare
@BlessedBeyondCompare 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, that was so informative! The original pronunciation is utterly enchanting ❤️
@ianhowlett4682
@ianhowlett4682 Жыл бұрын
If you ever get the chance to see David Crystal speaking, do whatever it takes to go and see him. He is fantastic. So knowledgeable, so enthusiastic, and also very friendly and approachable. He knows so much but never talks down to anyone. He just loves it, really! A wonderful scholar and an amazing teacher and communicator.
@Fraxxxi
@Fraxxxi 7 жыл бұрын
jesus christ. I got literal - not figurative - literal goosebumps from that voice. this is beside the fact that the video was very informative and interesting.
@johncoppola4636
@johncoppola4636 8 жыл бұрын
Exactly as I thought. The Irish are speaking English more originally than the English!
@jimiwills
@jimiwills 8 жыл бұрын
depends where in England you're from, but definitely more faithful than middle England. as are the Scots and most Americans. same with the spelling re US.
@swissnor
@swissnor 8 жыл бұрын
+John Coppola David Crystal is actually Northern Irish but grew up on the Main land.
@PaulThePuppetier
@PaulThePuppetier 8 жыл бұрын
+John Coppola Erin go bragh! haha
@colinpovey2904
@colinpovey2904 8 жыл бұрын
This kind of thing often happens. Apparently the English of Gibraltar is like that of the UK from a century or two ago.
@johncoppola4636
@johncoppola4636 8 жыл бұрын
It doesn't sound a bit more Irish than contemporary English?
@mrinvader
@mrinvader 4 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love this this is absolutely amazing the hair is standing on the back of my neck! Completely mind-blowing! Truly truly makes Shakespeare all of that much better, and Shakespeare was already awesome!
@AlexisMitchell87
@AlexisMitchell87 4 жыл бұрын
Listening to Ben makes me feel like I’m cheating on my husband...
@warpnin3
@warpnin3 4 жыл бұрын
7:00 Looks like Julia also fell for it. see her in the picture; she's NOT acting..
@cisleyharris8502
@cisleyharris8502 4 жыл бұрын
LMAO IKR
@AlexisMitchell87
@AlexisMitchell87 4 жыл бұрын
Table-Country pinxing THRYM Firearms 27 oh do grow up.
@AlexisMitchell87
@AlexisMitchell87 4 жыл бұрын
Table-Country pinxing THRYM Firearms 27 I’d suggest you take a chill pill for you cabin fever. Sorry, I couldn’t resist.
@Paloumi
@Paloumi 3 жыл бұрын
YAS
@whyisaac
@whyisaac 8 жыл бұрын
This guy David Crystal came to our school and did an awesome speech about a similar topic to this video. What a top lad, loved the vid
@johnnyb6747
@johnnyb6747 8 жыл бұрын
i could listen to that young man speak all day
@alwyn73
@alwyn73 5 жыл бұрын
What a voice the actor has! It must be such joy to listen to him...
@bokehintheussr5033
@bokehintheussr5033 29 күн бұрын
OP brings the poetry of Shakespeare down to earth. Makes it so much more powerful and sincere
@aikigeorge3
@aikigeorge3 7 жыл бұрын
still sounds to me like "talk like a pirate day" still I love it.
@OoxBethany
@OoxBethany 3 жыл бұрын
Visit Bristol, we all talk like this 😝
@MadnessOfMarmots
@MadnessOfMarmots 9 жыл бұрын
To me, an American, I can say that OP sounded like no American English accent I've heard, especially not northern. It sounds like Irish today.
@MadnessOfMarmots
@MadnessOfMarmots 9 жыл бұрын
***** Not linguist, but so guy in the comments
@Shavenhamster
@Shavenhamster 9 жыл бұрын
Its more West country then any modern accent.
@gamblemadman
@gamblemadman 9 жыл бұрын
Fennec Besixdouze LMAO what? You're clueless.
@leod-sigefast
@leod-sigefast 7 жыл бұрын
thinkpol Americans don't know anything about English accents beside arrogant evil queen's English and poor oppressed Irish accents. That is all that exists according to Americans, apparently.
@warrenstutely1093
@warrenstutely1093 3 жыл бұрын
Wonderful programme !! If only more television programmes were as exciting
@trikkid
@trikkid 4 жыл бұрын
Met David Crystal in Groningen a few years ago. Very nice bloke. Amazing lecturer.
@marcusalxander9115
@marcusalxander9115 6 жыл бұрын
Our accent in Nova Scotia sounds so much like OP I'm dying.... 😂😂
@sexhaver420
@sexhaver420 4 жыл бұрын
If it be that I cannot smook nor sware, alas! Then I am well and truely fook'd.
@shaunpcoleman
@shaunpcoleman 3 жыл бұрын
There's 2 accents in Newfoundland. One's Irish and the other West Country. We immigrated to Canada from Somerset in England. Most English people in Canada at the time were from either the north or London and Canadians couldn't figure out our accent. They thought we were Newfoundlanders. :)
@michaeltroster9059
@michaeltroster9059 3 жыл бұрын
I was led to understand that Shakespearean English resembled that spoken today in Newfoundland.
@hglundahl
@hglundahl 4 жыл бұрын
3:42 The OP sounds a great deal like Irish pronunciation of English!
@seradin8029
@seradin8029 3 жыл бұрын
More like the West country
@vysheslavuzumati1269
@vysheslavuzumati1269 9 ай бұрын
It’s amazing how they immediately get into character when using the original reconstructed pronunciation, the passion
@ashleysmith3106
@ashleysmith3106 3 жыл бұрын
At High School 55+ years ago I had a wonderful English (subject) teacher who stressed this topic and made Shakespeare really enjoyable for me. Vale Mrs. Messner!
@brittakriep2938
@brittakriep2938 3 жыл бұрын
Side note : In german language Messner means ,church servant' , the man , who helps the priest ( Heilige Messe/ holy mess).
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