Wahoo Kickr MOVE Smart Trainer // A Kickr On Rails!

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A new smart trainer product introduced to the Wahoo indoor trainer line-up for 2023 that brings rocker-plate functionality to the Wahoo Kickr! The Kickr MOVE allows for fore/aft movement along with a small amount of side to side tilt with the new frame design and the Kickr AXIS feet. This video covers all the details and a few setup tips and tricks for getting the most out of this new premium level direct drive smart trainer from Wahoo.
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Wahoo Kickr MOVE Full Specifications:
● Direct Drive Interactive Smart Trainer.
● Cassette: 11spd Shimano/SRAM compatible supplied/installed (11-28).
● Bike Support: Thru Axle (142/148). Quick Release 130/135.
● Height Adjustable: 700c / 650 B / 29" (Three options).
● Kickr AXIS Feet (for some wiggle-wiggle and adjustability).
● Wireless: ANT+ Power, ANT+ FE-C, BLE FTMS, WiFi (2.4Ghz. Direct Connect Protocol).
● Wired: Ethernet / Direct Connect (with adapter).
● Data: Power, Speed, Cadence.
● Power Accuracy: ±1% (claimed).
● Max Wattage: 2200W.
● Max Gradient: 20%.
● Flywheel Size: 7.25kgs.
● Fore/Aft Movement: 8 inches / ~20cm (+10cm / -10cm).
● Pivoting Axle (Kickr Climb compatible with Climb adapter).
● Auto Calibration.
● Odometer reading.
● ERG Easy Ramp.
● Firmware Updates: Automatic or via Wahoo Fitness App.
● Comes fully assembled.
Video Index
0:00 Intro
0:48 Technical Specifications
2:31 Pricing
2:57 Unboxing and Assembly
3:15 Move Lock-Out
3:19 New Install Instructions
3:34 Wahoo Fitness App Setup/Config
4:03 Rear Axle Height
4:19 Side to Side Wiggle/Movement
5:11 Bike Levelling
6:05 Wifi / Direct Connect
6:14 General Ride Experience
8:24 Sprint Testing
9:19 Data Analysis - Lama Lab Test
11:16 Data Analysis - Long ERG Test
11:51 Data Analysis - Sprint Test
13:09 Summary and Conclusions
15:28 Wrap Up
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@sabamacx 10 ай бұрын

Can't wait for this technology to evolve to the point where I can take my smart trainer out on the road.

@gplama 10 ай бұрын

Gradient simulation outdoors is so unrealistic. 😉

@lukecico5155 10 ай бұрын

Ok. Now that’s funny.

@donbosco2830 10 ай бұрын

It's funny you should say that. As someone who uses both a smart trainer and trains to power outside, I find maintaining a Z2 power very very difficult outside and have often thought about some kind of power restrictor adapter that works like a drive train brake to limit me from going 'too hard' and busting my Z2 outdoor workout.

@matteo.ceriotti 10 ай бұрын

That's what I thought on Shane's Twitter post. Coming next, Wahoo Kickr Rain 🌧

@Lukas-bl9wy 10 ай бұрын

We need automatic shifting, so that we can have ERG outside (although I am actually not a fan of ERG)

@lazzaboyman8003 9 ай бұрын

I’ve just upgraded to a Kickr Move from a Zwift hub and I’m enjoying the movement. I do like the lockout for sprints but otherwise it adds some interest and comfort when doing 2 hour + rides. I’m restricted to indoor riding for medical reasons so having the comfort will be more important as I train 5 or 6 days a week.

@mrwezbo 10 ай бұрын

I wouldn't underestimate the slight back and forth; the tacx plates made a huge difference to indoor comfort for me personally.

@hamilton237 10 ай бұрын

Love that tracking shot at the open, nice!

@neil78 10 ай бұрын

Seems like the lockout would be a good opportunity to be controlled via a blip or something because it'd be pretty tough to use this during a race or lively group ride and have to unclip to lock out to sprint.

@bradallen8643 10 ай бұрын

Well done Lama. Always first on the ball with new trainers 👍. Got an Kickr 3 and loving it. Will trade up to latest Kickr when heart rate sync to trainer is introduced.

@SMarkGee 10 ай бұрын

shane, regarding the seat levelling. My mate has a kicker 2021 and the arms are not correctly welded to the central bit. meaning it's not level in a way that sounds similar to what you experienced. the AXIS feet easily balance it out (Wahoo said they'd replace it) I had a Tacx with the same type of welding problem myself 7 or 8 years ago. Just check that out to, literally, see if it's made properly!!!! it's obviously not as rare a problem as you might think.

@Bazzefeste1 10 ай бұрын

Love the new graphics you've incorporated. Looks like a nice play on the logo of your pen pals from last year 😂

@shamanand 10 ай бұрын

Top class review GP Lama

@fabianmolyneux2308 10 ай бұрын

It comes at a bit of premium cost. It'd be great if they sold these at a special introductory price, for a limited time-frame only. If that were the case I'd likely be tempted to trade up. However, with the price as is, I'll opt to wait and maybe in that time-frame some competitor might come up with something as good or better but at a cheaper price. How the market take-up of it fares, as the US and Europe enter their Winter will be interesting to see. Great update and review

@JoelRierson 5 ай бұрын

Great video 🎉 I had exact same issue, level floor, bike leaned so had to jack up left arm cam to level the bike 😮

@jimpeyton1459 10 ай бұрын

Thanks Shane. If I were to go to higher end of the trainer food chain I would be inclined th get the smart bike. This setup isn't easy to break down between workouts for those of us lacking dedicated space. On an unrelated note, I have that same table you have at left. Brilliant at 1/3 the price of the Wahoo version.

@alimaleki217 9 ай бұрын

That IS the Wahoo version; note the blue wheels.

@DDGB08 9 ай бұрын

Great review

@MerlinMan1579 10 ай бұрын

I built my own fore-aft side-to-side rocker plate 2 years ago and it really improves the experience of Trainer riding.

@antoniobux371 7 ай бұрын

Bonjour mais tu as fait ?

@peermancolin 10 ай бұрын

great video, as always

@gplama 10 ай бұрын

Thanks! 🙏

@JanekDetko 10 ай бұрын

Cracking idea! I’ve a rocker plate but this just replaces it !

@spsoon 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for the detailed review! You said almost nothing about the feeling of fore/aft movement (the main feature of this thing), except that you didn't like it for sprinting. I have a rocker platform with a small amount of fore/aft movement and I really don't care for it. I'm guessing you didn't love it either or you would have said so :)

@gplama 10 ай бұрын

It’s fine. Wasn’t a total game changer. I’m not much a fan of rocker plates.

@mathewrose2951 10 ай бұрын

I get this as a sort of "all in one" package that would work if someone is new to indoor training or is buying a new trainer anyway, but I'm wondering if a premium rocker plate for one's existing trainer might not be a better choice for most since you'd get motion along both planes. After riding it, how does this motion compare to a full rocker plate?

@gplama 10 ай бұрын

There's obviously not as much side to side movement compared to a full 'rocker'. I'm not the biggest fan of those.

@mq3868 10 ай бұрын

Looks a lot like the motion and movement of the Garmin Tacx NEO Motion Plates. It's a shame Wahoo couldn't make this a $199 USD add-on like the NEO Motion Plates. I love my motion plates, I guess my wife will have to do without as her Kirkr 5 is a long way from needing replacement.

@JustinDoesTriathlon 9 ай бұрын

I'm just acknowledging that opening camera shot. 😄

@rivierareefer5318 10 ай бұрын

Remote lockout will be a must then... cant afford to stop pedalling mid race to lock the machine when pushing big watts on hills or final sprint..

@basti5307 10 ай бұрын

1300w still impressive 💪💪💪💪💪💪

@3boodizo 10 ай бұрын

Any comparison with Tacx Neo (with the plates) ?

@Hexsense 10 ай бұрын

If space requirement isn't a concern. I still perfer Inside Ride E-flex + Wahoo Kickr (or Core) so far from what I'm seeing.

@uglybean 10 ай бұрын

Off topic … these ‚table’ on your left while you zwifting. Whats the name of it? :)

@paljasvonpinguin 10 ай бұрын

So nice to see recyclable packaging this time round :) Little bit jelly looking at my kickr, this movement looks fantastic! Thanks for the thorough review, really quality work!

@karlconnolly5610 6 ай бұрын

Shane - top notch review here. Question - I bought a Move for my son. He does a fair bit of racing. On the first ride he had mixed feelings about the movement and noted that the calibration seemed off. I know this unit auto calibrates. We have 2 other Kickrs of earlier generations. I did some side by side non-scientific testing and sure enough it seemed harder (higher HR) to maintain similar power numbers on the Move vs the old stationary units and 5s top sprint power was about 50 watts higher on the stationary units vs the Move, in both open and closed setting. In essence, assuming the power is accurate, might the movement be stealing watts?

@gplama 6 ай бұрын

Movement shouldn’t be taking any watts. You’ll need to perform some power comparisons with a bike power meter and multiple tests.

@puncheur69 8 ай бұрын

so to wrap up. wahoo kickr move or tacx neo 2t with motion plates? what about side to side movement? is it more or less the same as on neo ?

@iam.mike82 10 ай бұрын

Would be cool to compare saddle pressures wile riding between standart kickr & Kickr move.

@iang7007 9 ай бұрын

Just rode the kickr move for the first time. encountered the same leaning to one side issue. going to try and level it for the next ride. are others finding this?

@chrisjones2248 7 ай бұрын

Yes seeing exactly the same problem; leaning bike of Pisa. Really crap IMHO. I don’t think using countering the lean with floor pad adjustment is a credible solution either. Bah. Looking to send mine back

@fitzgibbon01 10 ай бұрын

Soon the kickr will be more realistic than riding outdoors 😮

@john__m 9 ай бұрын

I notice you mention race mode, Do you use power match in Zwift when using the kickr? (outside of kickr specific testing cases)

@gplama 9 ай бұрын

@glenbarratt1257 10 ай бұрын

We need an add-on that captures the direction/turn of the front tire so that that info can move you in the correct direction in relation to the software viewport. Then some developers need to make mods or updates for games that can utilize all this hardware so a rigged bike can be used to play the games.

@ozgurinsan 10 ай бұрын

that power cord..... it will be caught to the mechanism.

@Chader9 10 ай бұрын

They should have implemented a better solution for that. Some people will eventually have a problem.

@minkmoink 10 ай бұрын

Did you manage to measure the handlebar with spirit level too? My saddle is level but handlebar is way tilted, no idea why

@TooManyGooglAccounts 10 ай бұрын

The slow accumulation of "minor" upgrades are starting to tempt me to upgrade from a Kickr v4/2018 but I don't know if it's quite enough yet... if they added HR bridging it might have pushed me over.

@gplama 10 ай бұрын

WiFi/Direct Connect is a game changer too.

@TooManyGooglAccounts 10 ай бұрын

@@gplama And HR bridged over WiFi/Dircon might have sealed the deal for me.

@AIRWORX 10 ай бұрын

Shane my original Neo just died, from this and the V6 or the Neo 2T which would you buy for yourself if you could only have one?

@gplama 10 ай бұрын

V6. The 2T is four years old and without WiFi (which I really like!)

@shannonparker7404 10 ай бұрын

Wow! 2.5k! Subscription model Wahoo? I want one but there's some serious overtime needed...

@ruiloureiro3167 10 ай бұрын

Hey! Easy on the chevrons 😅😅

@chrisridesbicycles 10 ай бұрын

Interesting one. I find riding indoors for multiple hours quite hard on the hips. Does this make it a bit easier and is it the front to back or side to side wiggle that helps more?

@gplama 10 ай бұрын

It depends. Nobody can confidently say it'll be better or worse. It's one of those things you'd have to try.

@chrisridesbicycles 10 ай бұрын

@@gplama Difficult thing to try because the effect is only feelable after 3+ hours. Where do I find a bike shop that lets me sweat on their floor for 3 hours? 🙃

@galenkehler 9 ай бұрын

Would the moving setting be good for spint training? Specifically i mean training you to sprint better, like sprinting on rollers.

@gplama 9 ай бұрын

No.

@VeloGrapher 10 ай бұрын

Hey mate! I've had some issues with my KickrV6 - the front end doesn't stack up with the rear end when the bike is attached. Have you noticed this on the Kickr V6 and the Move? I've set my Kickr V6 to 700c and the rear axle measures a little higher (about 10mm) higher than the front. I made a video asking people about it on my channel but no responses so far.

@gplama 10 ай бұрын

I've always used a front wheel block. The Kickr 6 has two height settings lower than 700c. Maybe try either of those.

@VeloGrapher 10 ай бұрын

you're a legend for replying so quick! THANK YOU@@gplama I've tried the lower settings but none of them line the axles up at the same height. I've resorted to using a 10mm riser block to get the bike level. A little bit bummed considering how much they cost.

@tanderson278 10 ай бұрын

Hmmmm🤔 I've heard eating Ginger is good for combating motion sickness! How long until you will snag that power cable in the mechanism?

@kawesipastorholland 10 ай бұрын

😊

@davemaynard3826 10 ай бұрын

Will you be trying it with the climb and the adapter any time soon?

@gplama 10 ай бұрын

Yep, when that arrives.

@davemaynard3826 10 ай бұрын

@@gplama I’m tempted. V tempted. It the cost of a new kickr move against keeping the old one I have. And going for a rocker plate with for and aft movement. A full length one to use my climb too. And wondering if the new climb adapter would make it safer than just using without? Hmmmm

@michaelbuna9539 10 ай бұрын

Thanks GP… don’t know if the extra $ is worth what you get out for his new trainer???? Just a quick question please.. do you (or anyone else) know of anywhere in Melbourne that services Kickr. Units? I hav da rubbing noise similar to disc brake rubbing noise in a bike. I’ve asked a few bike shops with no luck. Thank you

@gplama 10 ай бұрын

Value / worth is subjective. If people really dislike the static setup of the other Kickrs, it's a good option. Ping FE Sports up in QLD about where they suggest taking the Kickr for servicing.

@davemaynard3826 10 ай бұрын

Oh. And what was the dircon?? You mentioned? That must have passed me by

@gplama 10 ай бұрын

Direct Connect. The protocol developed by Wahoo that allows connectivity over Ethernet (either wired or WiFi). kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jtp5gJhnnJvIfKM.html They've since added WiFi to their trainers bypassing the need for the adapter (it's still an option though).

@evdb7246 10 ай бұрын

Isn’t this the same as Inside Ride’s E-motion trainer bracket?

@MrBJPitt 10 ай бұрын

@6:55 Shane zwift has changed the free-wheeling dynamics in game. You roll a lot more now when you stop pedalling since pd4.0 and now 4.1

@tonygenovese6239 10 ай бұрын

Is it 12speed compatible not sure if you mentioned it🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

@gplama 10 ай бұрын

Yes. Shimano 12 speed Hyperglide+ is backwards compatible with HG freehubs on these trainers. For SRAM AXS 12spd you'll need an XDR driver/freehub.

@tonygenovese6239 10 ай бұрын

Thank you great info really like your channel 👍👍👍

@devendrapratapsingh4190 10 ай бұрын

Is there a new upgrade coming to Kickr Core ?

@gplama 10 ай бұрын

Nothing announced.

@the_fatshark 10 ай бұрын

@4:41 Shane has a twin brother 😮 The things we get to know here.

@Ofcitsmejayden 10 ай бұрын

There will soon be leaning involved

@Conza 5 күн бұрын

whats the leveler?

@danielsemyonov 10 ай бұрын

My kickr 5 and 6 had the same alignment issue where one leg was much higher than the other. Absolutely annoying

@Xantulle 10 ай бұрын

Wahoo build quality and welding is debatable.. not sure who does QC in Taiwan. I bought a Kickr 5 and had to do two exchanges with quality issues, third one was the charm.

@velogoo 10 ай бұрын

looks neat but I guess steering is out of the window

@alimaleki217 9 ай бұрын

It's not clear to me if/why the forward/backward motion adds anything of value. Most of the non-lockout action sequences show at most 1 inch forward/backward movement. When sprinting, Shane even makes a comment about "once you get used to it it's not that bad". What am I missing here? I don't think the additional $300 is such a stretch (once you've committed to $1,300) if there's a good reason for it.

@richiejames928 10 ай бұрын

So how come the saddle level was so far off floor level? I understand the fix by compensating with the legs but it s this actually just a design flaw? too much lateral movement and the geometry of the kickr leans the bike way over?

@gplama 10 ай бұрын

Good question. I don’t know.. yet.

@bigredactionsportsstuff1245 10 ай бұрын

Does anyone else see the problem here? If you turn the front wheel even slightly, you could end up “walking” the front end a couple inches to the side, potentially unevenly stressing the frame/dropouts…

@gplama 10 ай бұрын

Hasn't happened here (yet). The rear feet lock in pretty hard to the mat I've had it on.

@rgjudo3182 6 ай бұрын

It's impossible for me to connect in wifi 5. It connect only on wifi6 Do you have the same problem ? It's strange

@gplama 6 ай бұрын

I don’t understand the problem sorry. It’s only 2.4GHz WiFi as I understand, if that helps?

@rgjudo3182 6 ай бұрын

@@gplama my wifi 5 IS on 2.4 and mÿ wifi6 is too in 2.4

@rgjudo3182 6 ай бұрын

@@gplama it connect only with the new norm ! Very strange

@gplama 6 ай бұрын

Hmmm. What channels are they on? There was an issues years ago with Elemnt GPS not connecting to Ch 13 (I think it was?)

@rgjudo3182 6 ай бұрын

@@gplama i dont know I havent no problem with a Garmin edge 1040 for exemple I try to find the Channel and change it. Its a good way 👍

@wamote6867 10 ай бұрын

not working with the kicker climb? Then I can forget that device... , just got a kiss from my bank account.

@gplama 10 ай бұрын

I mention the Climb compatibility. It’s in the specs and my summary.’

@wamote6867 10 ай бұрын

@@gplama ah.. a video i wait for....

@percyveer2355 9 ай бұрын

i struggle to see the problem this addresses.

@321bytor 10 ай бұрын

Amazing technology. Horses for courses - I can't imagine spending any time riding indoors

@strozera759 10 ай бұрын

I wish that you had spent more time explaining the rationale for incorporating aft movement into the platform. For as long as I have been riding in the real world (some 35 years), my bike has never had the tendency to move backwards whilst riding. I don’t see the point in this feature and, rather, view it as a negative that introduces unrealistic and unwanted oscillation. For me, it certainly is not an incentive to buy the bike. More side-to-side motion or simulation of leaning into turns would have been a preferable inclusion more aligned with what actually occurs out on the road.

@gplama 10 ай бұрын

If you're after a sales pitch to convince you this is what you need to buy, this might not be the right place. Movement like this won't be for everyone.

@SamDCFC 10 ай бұрын

Surely if you have to clip out and disengage the fore/aft movement to sprint this is a big NO for anyone who wants to race?!….😢

@gourami7 10 ай бұрын

Explains the recent price drop but wouldn't this tech be better on a trainer bike ?

@Chader9 10 ай бұрын

The price drop was only on the Kickr Core trainer with all others the same (ignoring the "sale" on the ROLLR). As far as motion, adding it to trainers AND smart bikes makes sense. The comfort and motion issues are the same whether the "bike" is integrated (smart bike) or separate (trainer). Perhaps worse with the smart bike since they are often heavier and more "stable", but if motion is good for that, trainers benefit too. "Motion for All" is what I say :D

@ozgurinsan 10 ай бұрын

What is the point of this ?

@gplama 10 ай бұрын

Honestly, they have to do something. Not much has changed since 2018.

@mlara03celtics 10 ай бұрын

@@gplama Is this not almost an exact copy of what InsideRide is doing with the kickr attachment. Just in a more streamlined approach without the added parts.

@barney2970 10 ай бұрын

Won’t work too well with the climb lol 😂

@gplama 10 ай бұрын

It does. Stay tuned.

@stephenbetley9596 10 ай бұрын

The fact that it's not self-centering is a real design flaw. Being vertically wonky out of the box ain't good.

@Embarking-on-a-new-adventure 10 ай бұрын

Do not understand all these gadgets anymore. Started with the (good old) CompuTrainer, over the years various Wahoo's (wheel-on - direct drive), Tacx and even Elite. Since a year C2 BikeErg. More noise yes, but solid and just does the job every day 60 ~120min with TrainerRoad/PerfPro workouts. So no more fancy gimmicks like Climb or Move for me anymore. If I want to move forward I go outside 🤣

@JohnDoe-yh9gi 10 ай бұрын

Neo did this since day 1

@gplama 10 ай бұрын

Not exactly.... unless you installed it on a set of roller-skates?

@Chader9 10 ай бұрын

Neo had side flex only, which is minimal at best. It took them beyond 3 generations (OG/2/2T) before they offered the Motion Plates that add the most visible and rewarding fore-aft motion. They did beat Wahoo to that by a year, but they were still behind the other DIY and smaller rocker plate makers by several years.

@matthiasdumann6327 9 ай бұрын

Hey, I set up my Kickr move yesterday. During the first test, I noticed a “ Scratching noise”when the trainer moved back and forth. Can you confirm this with your Kickr? Here’s a video: kzfaq.infoE1pgJ19RhaA?si=c1d5rtWN0lMk--Ok

@gplama 9 ай бұрын

Not normal.

@Maxpower88888 10 ай бұрын

Seems like a waste of money I’ll keep my original kickr

@obikedog 9 ай бұрын

Trainers are getting better but still terrible compared to real world experience. This doesn't tempt me.

@invisiblescout6335 10 ай бұрын

Not gonna be great when your front wheel isn't straight while rocking...

@gplama 10 ай бұрын

No issues encountered with that.. yet. I guess it'd depend on the flooring and the grip the feet have to stop the unit moving sideways. You'd have to be riding pretty drunk to get it to move much.... I need to test this. 🍻

@sonygoup 10 ай бұрын

I thought this was a joke or diy... interesting

@snafujag100 10 ай бұрын

That thing looks like a horrible ride. Like, what is the point of moving back and fro? My front tire would be squeaking away on my rubber mat! Besides, I gave up on Wahoo two years, and two broken kickr cores ago. Saris has performed flawlessly!!

@redleaderone8429 10 ай бұрын

what broke on the core?

@snafujag100 10 ай бұрын

@@redleaderone8429 One both occasions the speed sensor failed.

@spojce9 5 ай бұрын

honestly i don't buy it. would give me motion sickness

@gplama 5 ай бұрын

When the trainer is rockin' don't come knockin' 🤣

@mremtb7689 6 ай бұрын

A bit over the top with all the power comparisons

@gplama 6 ай бұрын

What do you mean? If you want a generic advert then this isn’t the place.

@mremtb7689 6 ай бұрын

@@gplama Dont get me wrong, it's a great review! What I mean is, really who worries if 3 power sources shows that one of them is out by 1%? Cooling the room and heating it up while cycling to see if this creates any power differences. I mean, just why?

@gplama 6 ай бұрын

Because not doing this level of review is to blindly believe what companies are selling you is as they say, without question. And that's simply advertising. If you're spending $2,000, wouldn't you want some kind of assurance that what you're getting will perform as you expect? And what if that assurance comes for free here on KZfaq from someone who's done this kind of work for years? That's a pretty good deal if you ask me. Why you'd comment saying it's a waste of time is playing to the manufacturers and letting them get away with making underperforming products. I read a comment the other day that said a lot of reviews of bike tech are "non-critical". That explains a LOT of what you're seeing and why you're seeing it from other reviewers.

@NeverTakeNoShortcuts 10 ай бұрын

Wahoo is a great product. I feel sorry for them that they have to develop this. Nobody is going to buy it

@gplama 10 ай бұрын

They've put bets on all horses. Dropping the CORE to US$599 means they're not just focusing on the 'Porsche' end of the market.

@likemarksee 10 ай бұрын

The only thing is, i don’t want my trainer to move! I want a nice sturdy unit and that’s one reason why i like my Wahoo Kickr. I don’t get this, it seems pointless.