Wahoo Kickr CLIMB Adapter Review // Kickr MOVE with Gradient Simulation!

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9 ай бұрын

The Wahoo KICKR Climb adapter for compatibility with the Kickr MOVE smart trainer arrived in the Lama Lab last week and has been put through its paces. This video covers off all the details of the new Climb Adapter and dives into a few interesting details about how Zwift sends gradient commands to smart trainers.
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Wahoo Kickr MOVE Review: • Wahoo Kickr MOVE Smart...
Zwift Descent Simulation Detail Video: • Zwift Trainer Difficul...
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@diracflux 9 ай бұрын

One step closer to a Wahoo rocking horse.

@gplama 9 ай бұрын

Wahoo HORS! Wait... dropping a letter isn't a good idea there. Nay. 🐴

@Rabarebane 9 ай бұрын

@@gplamashould have dropped the S..

@rockhopper01 9 ай бұрын

I’ve got rollers that move forward and aft, and I had to get used to them over several weeks because I’d get motion sickness because the road feel felt so real! Same would probably happen to me with this. 😁

@davepratt9909 9 ай бұрын

"clog" was the nicest name I've heard for this.

@chadnelson638 9 ай бұрын

GP Lama, do you prefer the Kickr with the climb or the Kickr bike?

@donwinston 9 ай бұрын

I got the lite ride thing that does the same thing. The experience is ehhh. It also takes a while to get over the fear of tipping over. I've never used the Tacx but I think that could be the best. I've seen videos of Katie Kookaburra using that and it looks like riding out of the saddle works well.

@PedroPrego 9 ай бұрын

Very good content. I understand you kind of reviewed it in the past but how is the stability of the climb especially now that the whole thing moves front/back and also a bit sideways? I've been holding the decision to buy as i'm afrai it will be kind of unstable while sprinting or something like that

@galenkehler 9 ай бұрын

My word that is wonderfully simple and silly, bravo wahoo 😂

@gplama 9 ай бұрын

I wanted two so I could walk around in them. 🥿🥿😉

@MrJhockley 9 ай бұрын

Great demo. This with steering will get pretty hairy on a Criterium.

@morneauh 9 ай бұрын

Since when the climb match what you see? Last time I used it there was always a big lag between the gradient and the climb responding. When did they fix that?

@nedt 9 ай бұрын

Jeeeze 50$ USD for a bit of rubber.... 🤯 it should be almost free + P&H via redemption with proof of purchase of the new modle trainer. Last I checked Wahoo is the ones who made their own climb incompatible with their own newer trainer.

@gplama 9 ай бұрын

I'd expect with the price of the Move, Wahoo might toss this in as a bonus if you already own a Climb.

@twowheelsandcroissant 9 ай бұрын

cost like $5 to manufacture in china

@deanpeddle90 9 ай бұрын

So would you consider this the ultimate comfort setup? I have the Stages SB20 but can’t ride more than 1.5hrs due to comfort.

@JamesErv 9 ай бұрын

How much closer can they get to make it all feel like an outdoor ride? The kickr climb needs a pivot next to get the steering feature.

@nigeloffley9722 9 ай бұрын

Agreed, should have happened a long time ago

@michaelsigler934 9 ай бұрын

Shane, if I elect to NOT purchase the Kickr Move (I have a Kickr 2017 that works just fine), does this adapter add any to the riding experience?

@gplama 9 ай бұрын

No. It’s not needed and does nothing if you’re not on the Movs.

@martindimbleby1439 5 ай бұрын

Hi Shane, any hint if Wahoo are working on a new climb anytime soon? Thanks

@gplama 5 ай бұрын

No word on that.

@747cycle 9 ай бұрын

crazy, unrelated question. I have a 7 year old Hammer and it seems like the diff between it and my assioma has grown, even after calibrations and everything. i'm not sweating it too much, functionally it's fine otherwise but was curious if you can foresee older trainers losing accuracy over time

@gplama 9 ай бұрын

One for Saris support if they're still providing it. Sounds like a worn belt that'll need tension adjustment.

@MarioJASantos 9 ай бұрын

Hello Shane, sorry to bother but do you know the exact size of the 16 teeth wrench to replace the bottom bracket on the Tacx NEO Bike? Or can you just suggest a model that can do the job? Garmin told me 45 mm but I can't find none 16 teeth wrench on that size... I find 44 mm, 46 mm, but no 45 mm... :-( Many thanks in advance.

@gplama 9 ай бұрын

No idea sorry. I don’t have any Neo Bikes here to check against.

@MarioJASantos 9 ай бұрын

@@gplamathanks anyway!

@sambrown1779 9 ай бұрын

Shane, with this set up, is it better than the Kickr Bike as far as indoor immersive cycling goes? Cheers

@gplama 9 ай бұрын

The two differences are physical gear changes on this setup (as opposed to a belt drive and virtual gears on the Kickr Bike), and the pivot point of the tilt being slightly different. Neither are ‘better’, imo.

@thommomonk 9 ай бұрын

Croc's have Jibbitz.....will Wahoo have Wibbitz? (Wahoo - I claim royalties if you do it!)

@gplama 9 ай бұрын

I had to Google that. People vajazzle their Crocs? TIL.

@bigredlibra 5 ай бұрын

Would the move counter act a rocker plate?

@gplama 5 ай бұрын

It’d provide a very wobbly experience.

@lancescarborough1 9 ай бұрын

Can you change the wheelbase on the kickr bike?

@gplama 9 ай бұрын

@lancescarborough1 9 ай бұрын

@@gplama Thanks!

@antoniskourris5257 8 ай бұрын

I have GIANT TCR PRO disc 2021 with Di2 12 speed, how choose perfect smart trainer for me? (perfect compatible)

@gplama 8 ай бұрын

Almost every current generation smart trainer will be compatible with your bike.

@antoniskourris5257 8 ай бұрын

@@gplama 1. Zwift hub one 2. Wahoo kickr 3. Wahoo kickr roller

@kruysser 9 ай бұрын

More movement for a kickr climb would be terrifying. Wahoo has amazing customer support, but the climbs already fail spectacularly, so failing spectacularly at a higher angle…yikes. (FE Sports just sent me my 4th replacement CLIMB due to belt major slipping or snapping…)

@gplama 9 ай бұрын

Four!? Fark. I typically have a three-strikes policy when things fail.

@stephenhersee 9 ай бұрын

@@gplama I recently had my climb replaced for the 2nd time after the belt slipped twice in 1 ride. Wahoo support are fantastic (if a little slow to respond at times) but replaced it with no hassle again. For me the belt slips when I get out of the saddle and put more power down as the gradient increases. The gradient goes up, the climb goes up, my power goes up, my centre of gravity shifts and I put more of my 85kg's through the handlebars/forks/climb and bingo, we have ourselves another belt slip situation. "Four!? Fark. I typically have a three-strikes policy when things fail" My issue here, I paid £500 for the climb, I want to use that, not have it thrown away after 18 months of minimal riding! The fact they still make the climb, to the original specs and haven't even updated it from a hardware point with the HUGE number of failures is a spectacular fail if you ask me. Just watching you get out of the saddle at +20% was enough to put me right off ever thinking about the Kickr move + climb combo! It looks so unstable knowing a hardware failure could happen anytime.

@donwinston 9 ай бұрын

I wish I could pump out 1200 watts. 😢

@craigsegal6327 9 ай бұрын

I’ve not used the new Kickr, but I can’t conceptually understand why I would want my trainer to rock back and forth? This doesn’t simulate any natural movement you’d experience out on the road. Interestingly, even if I did want it to do this, I notice it barely moves anyway when you’re riding normally. Feels more like a gimmick than anything worthwhile.

@rednal4451 9 ай бұрын

Agree. And I also think you might lose some watts by it. When you sprint, and it slides backwards, it just has to lower your power imo. And basically, the back and forth moving is energy which has to come from the legs too, and isn't used to generate in-game power. All movements are additional losses (and get eventually dissipated in a bit heat). That being said, and looking at this video, it seems that the Move actually barely moves when the Climb is attached. It seems like the Climb makes the Move not really worth it? I mean, if it barely slides anyway, you can better pick a traditional Kickr (and saving some money)?

@chris1275cc 9 ай бұрын

Not used the K' Move but I have had a couple of rocker plates, one that only moved side to side, which makes things feel more comfortable by just being less ridged but doesn't add to realism IMO, and one that moves side to side and forward/backward and strangely for a more realistic feel it's the forward/backward movement that does it (as long as you don't think about it to much), so much so I set the plate to minimise side to side to little more than a wobble, even the guys that build their own plates are moving in that direction (if you pardon the pun). It doesn't really make sense, and it's still far from feeling "really" real though.

@stephenbetley9596 9 ай бұрын

I guess it works, but bloody hell, that looks weird.

@cappaculla 9 ай бұрын

Wahoo are currently developing the WAHOO honk, its basically an ANT+ car horn that alerts the rider to "get the heck out of the way"

@mike_f 9 ай бұрын

I hear it was named HONKR. 🤣

@CoenCoenNL 9 ай бұрын

HNK

@emtoonst 8 ай бұрын

Yeah, and it will cost only 299 USD

@MrMattie725 9 ай бұрын

Oh I see why their Kickr Core price could be lowered. They are now in the business of selling rubber at a 10x markup! :D

@ioannidesalex 9 ай бұрын

It is totally ridiculous

@gplama 9 ай бұрын

The Climb? It has been around for about five years.

@evdb7246 9 ай бұрын

Tell me this is a joke…..please, tell me this is a joke. We’ve reached “peak trainer” and dipped down the other side

@gplama 9 ай бұрын

This has been a thing for over five years. Where have you been?

@willshaughnessy8515 9 ай бұрын

Wahoo is a joke ...the co is in the dump ..don't waste ur money..ride outside or get a tacx

@gplama 9 ай бұрын

Tacx… Well there’s a name from the past. Garmin will want to land something new soon.

@willshaughnessy8515 9 ай бұрын

@gplama until Garmin took over they had an excellent product and certainly their on-site demo in Switzerland was spectacular..can't say the same for Atlanta..

@ozgurinsan 9 ай бұрын

i am so tired of technology.

@gplama 9 ай бұрын

What model iPhone did you use to post that comment? 😉

@ozgurinsan 9 ай бұрын

@@gplama iphone 12 pro

@lehtjug 9 ай бұрын

@@ozgurinsan i have a same. There's no need to change annually new iPhone when you have good enough phone like iPhone 12 Pro already 👍

@johntrussell7228 9 ай бұрын

Hooking your bike to a trainer sucks. All trainers suck. The KICKR Climb sucks ( had 3 of them fail catastrophically). Just buy a proper indoor bike like the Wahoo bike or a Stages SB20.

@andreasolsson2336 9 ай бұрын

define "catastrophically" please. thanks!