Shapeways Closes Their Doors - PrintFixFriday 148

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Shapeways, one of the biggest 3D printing services out there, has filed for bankruptcy. On today’s #PrintFix Friday, we’re sifting through the numbers and the news to tell you our thoughts. Tune in for the latest on the situation.
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@hanelyp1 25 күн бұрын

shapeways in the early days was transparent on their pricing, with published formulas you could follow as guides to reduce printing cost for your models. Then they raised prices and eliminated the pricing transparency, which annoyed a lot of us. And it's been a downward slide since.

@woodwaker1 27 күн бұрын

The challenge of a service bureau is finding the right customers with the right product. I ran a Computer Output Microfilm service bureau for years 1973 to 1991 until we were purchased by another company. Eventually technology changed and we pivoted to digital output, CD/DVD and web based. Something is always changing, you have to be ready and plan for it

@johncrombie2771 26 күн бұрын

I used Shapeways for all my 3D printed parts many years ago, prior to getting my own printer. When I had a lot of similar parts to print a couple of years back and couldn't be bothered with the hassle of printing them myself, for some reason, Shapeways never entered my head. I got a price from one of the Chinese companies, and when that was too expensive, I just went ahead and printed them myself. It was after I finished I wondered why I never thought about Shapeways. I think, maybe, 10+ years ago, they were advertising to consumers more.

@44492611 27 күн бұрын

I became aware of shapeways when I was more into model railroading than 3d printing. As I understood it the items listed there had to be exclusive to their service. I really don’t like that idea. I want to buy files and then either print them myself or find a company that will print one. In my opinion this will probably be a win for a lot of smaller hobbyist communities.

@sublimationman 27 күн бұрын

When I saw what China was putting out in 3D printed items and cost I knew it was the end for companies like Shapeways, there are 2 large PCB makers that will print in anything from metals, to nylons and other exotic materials cheaply and send it to you in a week.

@3DMusketeers 27 күн бұрын

I'm seeing much longer lead times from them generally but the pricing is tough to beat.

@soundspark 27 күн бұрын

Remember when you dedicated an entire episode about the existence of the Bambu Lab A1 being leaked, and now it's been recalled?

@gregorypfeifer9117 27 күн бұрын

The leak was wild, Seeing Johnathan Levi break his NDA then go after everyone who called him out on it like he was the victim. Wild time lol. The recall is a great move as that machine, while it can be great, seemed to be released heavily untested unlike the X1C.

@Brandon-jf9cv 27 күн бұрын

I know you wanted to put a diamond back on your magneto X and you also mentioned trying out vision minor nano polymer on it. You should try putting the open source AMS (blanking on the name right now) on it and maybe a few other upgrades and do a video on all of them.

@lifeholdstrategic 27 күн бұрын

You nailed it toward the end. I have a WUXN WXR which is an awesome first machine (I'm a newb),,, but their customer service it horrible and hence why I'm switching to Prusa. If you are going to sell products and don't have a solid customer support system in place, you can't last. People like me who want to support US companies will put up with the drop of the ball here and there, but at the end of the day I'm also running a business and waiting around for days for someone to return an email is going to make me jump ship.

@dvlaserworks893 27 күн бұрын

Did they only focus on 3D printing? Or were they like Xometry?

@RedSlashAce 27 күн бұрын

Ouch. I ordered some jewelry i designed from them back when. Sad to see them go.

@PutTheKettleOnGromit 27 күн бұрын

I have been using Shapeways for years to create and get made beautiful jewellery for my loved ones. 😢 where else could you get 3d printed metal parts and have them plated. 😢😢😢

@sculptastic 25 күн бұрын

Pretty much any jeweler should be able to do this.

@eslmatt811 27 күн бұрын

I have a sprite extruder that is having an issue with i think is heat creep. A new hotend will work great for a few weeks then it starts to jam in the heat break again. I upgraded to a 5015 blower for the hotend fan, same problem. Once the problem starts it jams pretty much instantly. Any ideas?

@gregorypfeifer9117 27 күн бұрын

What is the ambient temperature of the room?

@eslmatt811 26 күн бұрын

@@gregorypfeifer9117 23c I have the enclosure open, it gets drafty in the winter. Also mostly printing petg.

@darkalleywaystudio3975 27 күн бұрын

Damn. I was just thinking about this the other day. I was thinking I should try new filaments outside of my normal/ go-to stuff. Because some filament brands might become rare as in not made anymore because the market is going thin out I feel. Unfortunately, I only see this happening more as time goes on and the industry thins out. It’s a good thing and bad thing I guess depending on how you look at it but it is truly sad to see businesses that care about their product go under.

@hallkbrdz 27 күн бұрын

SLS prints are what I mainly outsource now (for personal prototypes). While I was looking at Micronics, now that's dead. Maybe I'll build an SLS4All printer instead now to avoid the week long delay for prints.

@3DMusketeers 27 күн бұрын

I have so many thoughts about the Micronics acquisition.. I think formlabs got the deal of the century. More Wednesday..

@JSparrowist 27 күн бұрын

PFF! Let's go!

@RoseKindred 27 күн бұрын

12:35 ish is great advice and often echoed by others in their niche(s). Sometimes you may even breakeven on a run just to keep a reliable client.

@Somun-a 25 күн бұрын

PCBWay, JlcPCB, et. al also provide 3D printing services (+ even machining). They probably cut into Shapeway's market, too.

@3DMusketeers 25 күн бұрын

We also do 3DP as a service ;)

@superslacker87 27 күн бұрын

Well, I'm finally running a multi-thousand dollar company.

@3DMusketeers 27 күн бұрын

nice!!

@awilliams1701 27 күн бұрын

on july 22nd..... wait what? ok so the text says july 2, but you said 22. I got confused there. I'm like that hasn't happened yet.

@3DMusketeers 27 күн бұрын

did I misspeak, oops, sorry!

@awilliams1701 27 күн бұрын

@@3DMusketeers lol yeah I had to rewind it just to be sure.

@3DMusketeers 27 күн бұрын

oh no!!

@awilliams1701 26 күн бұрын

@@3DMusketeers It's all good

@swiftblade13s 27 күн бұрын

It is important to note as Slant3d mentioned in the past and reiterated after this news dropped Shapeways sold off it's software assets at a company owned by someone with relations to the founders a while back. So hopefully the consumer data is safe.

@3DMusketeers 27 күн бұрын

That is just software, nothing about print files

@DianosAbael 27 күн бұрын

You’re dimensioning to the us market. In EU is a different scale. Many costs are outside the budget

@3DMusketeers 27 күн бұрын

Well, considering I live in the states, I feel like that's fair, no?

@johnreed9435 16 күн бұрын

I had a pending order when they shut down. I guess I’m screwed out of my product or refund unless PayPal delivers!

@3DMusketeers 16 күн бұрын

Yep, file a chargeback and such

@user-lx9jm1wo3h 27 күн бұрын

Never heard of them.

@MrUniq 27 күн бұрын

I bought so many prints from them over the years but being able to make my own kinda changed that.

@3DMusketeers 27 күн бұрын

indeed!

@julieta203 27 күн бұрын

Except for the most specialist of materials and parts I have no idea why any R&D, Engineering Dept would use a printing bureau, well not unless such bureau was literally next door to you, when they could have it all in house especially for prototypes. I thought of using a bureau when I first started designing products but when I saw the prices I was going to pay for very basic and small parts I bought an X1C. After realising how many iterations needed to get to a working part and the time it would have taken if done by a bureau It would be very unproductive and likely I would not be able to produce 1 product a year let alone a month!

@3DMusketeers 27 күн бұрын

Powder printing like sls and MJF is too pricey for most and the specialized rooms needed can be a pain, even then ignoring the cost of the people to run it. Your Bambu can't compete with powder, not for strength, quality, speed, any of it. But cheap powder printers are around 20k ish, so it's a different ball game. Likely you saw stratasys pricing for fdm, because that's what you need for industrial stuff, where having tractability is a big deal. Home gamers dont need that, and that's fine.

@logicalfundy 27 күн бұрын

Makes me wonder what will happen with Slant 3D. I know they're pretty bullish on printing as a service being big, but it's becoming easier and easier to do printing in-house. I do agree that's how the times are changing, and I think the future is having 3D printers if they are useful for your business. It's kinda the Star Trek dream of having replicators, you know?

@_droid 27 күн бұрын

The only way they're going to survive is if their filament manufacturing comes to fruition (very unlikely at this point) or they pivot in to markets that actually make sense. FDM as a service is on life support.

@3DMusketeers 27 күн бұрын

Finding the right clients is key. We have a few clients, pure fdm, that are 5-15k/yr each with little to no upkeep. Been clients for years, happy with pricing, quality, etc. that's what you need to survive lol. More of those. And we buy filament at retail pricing these days. No room for big inventory. I agree that traditional fdm as a service to the general public is dying, but it's also dying because there is always someone willing to do it cheaper. But that's business.

@PutTheKettleOnGromit 27 күн бұрын

Have a moment of Silence for Shapeways.

@3DMusketeers 27 күн бұрын

@huntliba 27 күн бұрын

Grant is changing into Loyal I see... good for you!

@3DMusketeers 27 күн бұрын

The hell are you talking about?!?

@huntliba 27 күн бұрын

@@3DMusketeers The end of outro part... and don't play that you don't know who Loyal is....

@3DMusketeers 27 күн бұрын

Oh I know who he is. And I also do not associate with him, especially after he blocked me when we detailed how Bambu is lying to everyone. I am NOT working with Polymaker.. We are working with Printed Solid. A USA based manufacturer, using USA labor, to make badass filament with as much made in america components as possible! Wait.. are you really complaining about us announcing we will be giving away some filament in videos???

@huntliba 27 күн бұрын

@@3DMusketeers You got the answer if you thought a little :) it depends how seriously you commit into the "giveaways" but it is cheap promotion and slippery way... as you know him, you know what I mean... and btw second paragraph from your answer - you should be working as salesman :D

@3DMusketeers 27 күн бұрын

Okay, so screw me for telling people that there will be opportunities for free stuff? Cool. I am NOTHING like Loyal. We are not (currently) getting paid by Printed Solid, however have accepted sponsorship money in the past for our SMRRF trip, but I was using their materials for YEARS before we even asked for this. We wanted a few rolls to give away on streams, we were told we could give away more. I dont see the problem in wanting to give away free filament with no strings attached and how that, in any way, that we are like Loyal, because he certainly was not the first to give away filament. But hey, thanks for watching to the end I guess?

@gafsadesign 22 күн бұрын

what will happen with the markup not paid yet ?

@3DMusketeers 21 күн бұрын

Markup?

@gafsadesign 21 күн бұрын

@@3DMusketeers yes they will pay the markup for the previous month its still pending

@danield1262 Күн бұрын

Good question I have €200 in markup I will probably never get

@gafsadesign 22 сағат бұрын

@@danield1262 😟 i have 130$

@tomyocom5886 27 күн бұрын

They sold software part of company about a month ago to CEO Kress's OTHER company? They may restructure under other name . 20 year old 3d printing machines and tech probably did not age well. Machines are Faster, leaner, less expensive and need less maintenance and maybe merge with robotics and get rid of all those MAN hours.

@3DMusketeers 27 күн бұрын

yep, likely a way to try and keep it out of the bankruptcy, we will see if it works.

@dorbie 27 күн бұрын

The investors will get nothing, they're done. The creditors will get cents on the dollar, very sad.

@3DMusketeers 27 күн бұрын

Writing was on the walls for a long time alas :/

@DiomedesDominguez 27 күн бұрын

why do you pronounce data as data instead of data? (pun intended)

@3DMusketeers 27 күн бұрын

That's easy, because the data told me to pronounce data like data so those who are looking for said data will understand what I mean when I say data.

@stephenspooner2572 22 күн бұрын

Good.

@3DMusketeers 21 күн бұрын

Good?

@Kid_illithid 25 күн бұрын

I used to get warhammer bits through them. Popgoesthemonkey sold out of shapeways and was a great storefront for unique minis and specialist bits

@justinchamberlin4195 27 күн бұрын

The demise of Shapeways is certainly a bummer, but it doesn't move my personal needle like the Micronics team selling out to Formlabs. If (and that's a big, big if) the Micron were ever to go to market, it's now a $10,000 printer at the very least instead of a $4,500 printer...as the Prusa Tax exists, so does the Formlabs tax. It'll be more robust, with better support and better packaging, but it won't be attractive to the prosumer market any longer. Again, this assumes Formlabs didn't buy Micronics to bury the competition and/or simply incorporate the best ideas of the Micron into future $50,000 printers. I'm sure a forthcoming video will detail the huge knock that acquisition is to the concept of democratized, accessible SLS printing, and I won't belabor that point here. What I will belabor is how disappointed I am that they're packing up shop and moving to Formlabs' mothership in Massachusetts. Wisconsin, my beloved home, has the potential to be a center of additive manufacturing excellence - VO3D is doing neat things with material properties, the Virtual Foundry lets people print metals and ceramics on their cheap consumer printers, Fusion Filaments seems to be one of the only manufacturers of the excellent HTPET material, GKN Sinter Metals has a large facility in Manitowoc, Coex3D has made white label filament for DuPont for years...and we could have been the home of consumer-grade SLS printing as well. But they took the money (even if the Formlabs stock options don't fully vest for a few years, as was claimed in their recent video) and ran. That chaps my ass, to be quite honest.

@3DMusketeers 27 күн бұрын

Yeah.. I have some thoughts, and I think some hot takes that may not go over amazingly well, but I can see quite a few sides to this story.

@wreckexplorer 27 күн бұрын

If they made their prices less expensive (less margin!?...). More people would have them printed parts...

@3DMusketeers 27 күн бұрын

there is a fine line between cheap and accessible. More parts mean more labor, which can vary quite considerably across the board. While yes, we often beat their pricing even on identical processes, we also have WAY less overhead.. Well, not anymore lol