right on. thanks for the input.

haha. working on those. did that before and it worked well, so will make sure i bring that format back.

John Craig My preference too, John.

haha. thanks John. stay in touch.

+1!!! wither that with morning coffee or with lunch in front of pc...

You did it all on your own. Kudos to you

Do you l prefer the old chosera or new ones(pro)?

Hi. To be honest, I can't really notice a difference. If I had a choice I would pick the Chosera but those are gone now. They are a little bigger but in terms of sharpening the Professional is in my opinion equal in quality, it feels just a good, a very slick, velvety glide path.

Pete Nowlan thanks! Just fyi, if you click on the links of Burrfection's suggested stones, you can get choseras on Amazon still. Someone imports them I guess. Burrfection says the ones he's gotten have all been real choseras, too. I guess I'll find out for myself at some point. Lol

Oh okay, cool. Much appreciated.

All Hail Pete Nowlan. Sharpening Master. Fact.

right on. thanks for the input

got those coming soon.

yes, chosera 800 vs 1.000

after that, do chosera 3000 vs 5000 vs 10000 for polishing ones (to use after the chosera 800)

I think an 800-3000 would be better than a 1000-3000 because it gives you a much wider range of possibilities.

3k chosera is the most unessisary and over rated stone of all time. Everyone suggests that stone thanks to his ill informed videos and no one understands what it's even about. The thing cost $130 and it's a supplementary, totally not necessary, intermediate stone. All because Ryky doesnt like the look of mirror polished edges. lol what. Sorry but that's a side effect of finer grit abrasion on metal, it becomes shiny. 3k chosera is expensive and it's neither a sharpening nor a finishing stone. To see people suggesting this stone to newbs as some kind of vital and necessary kit is insanity. That's the influence of ryky. No surprise he likes the naniwa more than the shapton, surprise he sells naniwa on his site but not shapton. Shocker. The more you learn about these topics the less you like burrfection and the more you wish you had found some other source early on. I was one of the fools who went out and bought a 3k chosera on his suggestion without knowing much. It's easily the least necessary stone in the world. I'd bet most people that get one end up having no practical use for it.

thanks Doug. Stay in touch.

don't worry. have those in lined.

Both stones have their advantages The king stones (800/1000/1200) are very soft but they also take a lot of material and you can learn with these the grinding well because they give a lot of feedback A very great advantage which almost only have King stones is that you can store them permanently in the water, almost all other stones do not like that at all, especially the Naniwa are sensitive But the king stones remain not long flat, since I have 800 and the 1200 Kingstone I rub the before and after the use always on each other, so that are always flat A tip still to the king stones, at the end of the grinding, the stone no longer clean the will of itself then finer @Burrfection If you compare the stones just put your 1 $ knife and go over the stone, the king stones do not like cheap steel and you can see

good suggestion. i'll try to remember to include that in the next series of videos.

with the new timestamp feature this would be great

will remember that for next time.

Yes, do it

Honestly the SG has great low grit stones too. Chosera only goes down to something equivalent to the 320/500 glass, but there is also a SG 120 and 220, for this you'd have to get a Naniwa traditional either the regular one which is SiC or the pink alumina one. Anyway, the 320 and 500 glass are really really good and cut very very well. The benefit of the chosera line is every single stone in that entire line leaves a fine tuned, even and pleasing scratch pattern. This is not the case with SG which has honestly too many stones. The whole line has 2x the stones it should have. SG makes sense over chosera for the very high grits because of cost and when you are going to such a high polish the scratch pattern makes no difference, it's just shiny.. Chosera looks and tried to feel like a real waterstone, whereas SG tries to feel like Chosera and looks like nothing else, maybe an Apple item. IDK which is better, I think it all does the same thing, but if you have traditional Japanese knives the chosera makes the most sense and has best scratch patterns, if you just need to do double edge knives make it sharp there is no reason for a chosera which in most cases doesn't cut as aggressive as shaptons. Chosera 400 is such a great stone.

yeah, working on it. trying to get one with the quality i need for video.

love to see that also Thanks as always

hey Justin. thanks for writing. stay in touch and welcome.

hey David, will address your questions in an upcoming Q&A video

thanks for writing and for the input. i'll work on getting the Nortons for this series, as well as for a new straight razor series i'm planning. i'm finally going to make the jump and start shaving with real razors.

Burrfection welcoming you to the SR comunity! we all will have great benefits from your videos. i bet many of us already looking fwd for that series... objective and detailed comparisons... your videos are diamonds!

thanks Daniel

got lots of comparisons for Glass vs Pro stones, don't worry. thanks for writing.

thanks for writing. i'm holding off on the polishing stones SHOWDOWN videos until i can get the right camera/lens to show close ups. great input.

will be posting a video very soon.

Dear Stjepan, I have the same issue - I am an amateur and I am getting ready to buy my first good stone - which stone first - the Chosera 800 or the 1000? Ricky Tran seems to prefer the 800 but it seems that my knives are already sharp and 800 may be too rough. I do not want to take off too much metal which is why i am thinking the 1000 would be better and more useful - what did you decide?

@@Ted_Michaels In reading and researching, the chosera/Naniwa professional 800 is really more like a 1000 (true) grit. I have a Cerax1000, but i really hate having to wait 20ish minutes for them to soak and switched to the Naniwa Professonal 800 and couldn't be happier, i also use a shapton pro 8000 after just to polish my blades, as i like a mirror polish on my knives

yes, my spin was tingling...

thanks Nando. until next time.

New snow white is better and cheaper. Naniwa pro vs traditional. Traditional has to be soaked, makes a mess, will dish out, but overall feels better, has more control, cuts faster and has more versatility in how it will perform based on pressure applied. If you're sharpening "normal" steels, soaking stones are the way to go. Yes, it requires soaking, yes it makes a big mess, yes it will start to dish out basically right away. Cuts way faster, gives you way more feeling and feedback and control over what you're doing which means better results.

wow.... you've got lots of good stuff on the way. let me know how you like them. don't blame for the money pit you are digging yourself into.

Burrfection lol no blame . I'm super excited . I have extreme adhd and so far sharpening and polishing has really helped me with that . being able to focus on something I enjoy really helps .

and i think one long video is the way to go

dont' worry. have dozens of those videos coming.

I messed that up a bit, sorry. Shapton Glass 8K Vs. Suhero 8k and Naniwa Snow White Vs. Shapton Pro 8K. Thanks!

hey Bryan. lots of videos with 8K stones coming soon. don't worry. i've done 4 stone comparisons in the past, and will work on them more often. thanks for the feedback.

hmmm interesting request. will look into it.

right on J. thanks for writing. will throw in another knife the next time i do the same test.

... finer pattern than* ...

Don't worry about number of strokes. It's all about forming a burr. Different knives will require different lengths of time. He's just counting because he's comparing the speed of the stones. Some people think you need to do the same number of strokes on each side, it's silly.

right on! thanks for watching

right on. thanks for the feedback

got it. got those in the works ›

Thanks

will have to figure the best and easiest way for that.

this is what i use amzn.to/2pwlHNS, i'm sure you can find it on amazon France, or ebay bit.ly/sabitoru

never compared those stones, but i'm going to see if i can get a set of Nortons

Agree! unfortunatelly i live in Costa Rica, otherwise I would have sent you my two combos at least for you to try them and shipe them back when done... these stones are kind of a reference with the Straight razor community, as an example, whn talking about 8 k stones, most folks compares any 8 k to a Norton 8k.. say, "it has a lot of drag, or is dsoft, or it has gfood fedback... meny times they are csaying better feedback than an 8k norton, or mote drag, or softer thanan 8k norton... :)

yeah, get the combos, thy are cheaper, ping me if you need to know where to buy those

... lots* of (plural, no apostrophe)

right on Larry. thanks!

thank you, so do i

If he were to lap the shapton glass every time he used it, it would be gone after about 50 sharpenings, it is only 7mm thick...

way ahead of you. got a bunch lined up.

ahhh.... way ahead of you.... its' on the way.

Awesome, thanks!

lay it down on its' side to dry

he did about 4 videos, then since then no updates :( he does have an end of year roundup

that video is coming.

yeah, they are the same

I like them. My top medium pick is the Chosera 800, and favorite mid-polishing is the chosera 3000. if you want a stone to complement these two and want a mirror polish the Kitayama 8000 is my pick. they are all here. kit.com/Burrfection/knife-kit . drop me a line anytime.

Naniwa pro is chosera without the base

short answer is NO. having a 5000 or 6000 finishing stone is for getting that extra mirror polish, which in some cases can help you keep the edge a bit longer. but, if you watch any of my sharpening videos, i always explain that a single stone is all you need if you simply want a great edge.

I find going to a 3k or 5k to really refine/smooth the edge is nice, i will typically use a 5k for my kitchen (work) to make sure the edges are sharp enough to cut through brioche without tearing.

While the shapton glass is cheaper, i like the chosera better, as it isn't as critical if you do miss the bevel and allows for more mistakes that can be easily corrected. How do y ou mean flattening is an abuse of a good hone? he was referring to flattening of the whetstones so they are, you know, flat.

I have those three stones and yes, they are probably everything you need. For Kitchen knives the 2000 will give you a great sharp toothy edge. For camping knives I would use a strop after.

Thank you Burrfection. Can you also show me how to set up your sharpen knives station. What kind of hardware do I need? Thanks in advance. Love your quality video.... keep it up!!!

rust eraser, as mentioned twice in the video.

i got these because they were the most requested. i'm picking up more as i go

hahah. i have done that on my old channel RykyTran, but yeah, i'm working on an updated comparison of those stones.

great suggestion. will do.

they are not but certainly struggling. where are based?

Burrfection I’m based in Ontario Canada, I’ve tried sharpening supplies, Fendrihan, woodworking shops and many more but all the essential stones for a good progression seem to be sold out. Most commonly 3k 8k 10 is available and 16k is sold out. Also the shapton flattening stone is a bit expensive what would you recommend to flatten as an alternative

Need to make an updated video

thanks for the input

haha. right on.

Ryky did a comparison of the Shapton Pro 5k and Chosera 3k on his old channel. I heard the Chosera 5k isn't that great via virtualvice

i did, and since i'm not migrating any of the older videos to this channel, i'm going to revisit that comparison soon.

working on that one. don't worry.

The Chosera 5k is phenomenal--ive used it for years. The only issue is that it is REALLY fine and on some knives you can lose toothiness. For high HRC steels (62-66) its perfect.

this 400/1000 stone is REALLY good amzn.to/2tu8SAE, it doesn't feel as good as the chosera 800/1000, but is fast, and the end results are VERY similar.

i use the rust erasers in this list kit.com/Burrfection/knife-kit, also if you want a simple 2 stone set, that will last forever, and give you the possible best edge, go with the Naniwa Chosera 800 and 3000. those two are my personal favorites. they are in that list too

i'll see what i can do. i'll try to remember to pick up some DMTs for the next round of purchases. yes, these are Naniwa Professional stones, just Choseras without bases.

i'll see what i can do

MEDIUM one store.burrfection.com/collections/accessories/products/sabitoru-rust-eraser?variant=32037350965344

thanks for the feedback. i have a series of the 3-10K stones i have in the arsenal. more on the way