Yeah, but they need to get him back into prison so that Val can offer him a "deal." *_Thunderbolts_* incoming!

Yeah I like he ended up not being a bad guy, just kind of an idiot.

@@7Seraphem7 I think he's smart, he just doesn't believe the stuff that he sells people. All his motivational talk is vague and generic. He also scammed his "soul mates" who paid for his property and they all got ditched once he was out of prison.

@@dphalanx7465 Would have liked to see Abomination on the team, but tbh the problem I have with the Thunderbolts lineup is the same problem I had with Agents of SMASH - a startling lack of versatility and diversity. They're all primarily melee fighters, and with the exception of Ghost, they more or less have the same skillsets. Would have liked to see someone like the Beetle (potentially introduced in Armor Wars or a Spider-Man movie), or Songbird (introduced in s2 of Hawkeye) as aerial/ranged members. I'd have also been happy with someone like Speed Demon or Absorbing Man - even if they are also melee-centric, they do offer some more diversity than half the team essentially being just different flavours of the same drink.

@@ketchup016 I think he believes in it, he just haven't put much thought in in.

Heard that too!

Wait really?! I did not catch that at first!

Perioddddddttt lol it’s up next for marvel movies so they’re hopefully putting in the finishing touches

@@TrickyDicky2006 I think it was a standard suspenseful musical cue, but it certainly sounded similar!

@@TrickyDicky2006 it's the same little tone they played each time Wong showed up earlier in the season.

I was laughing so hard at K.E.V.I.N. I didn’t even notice it until it was pointed out here 😂

And it was the exact same type/aesthetic of cap we've seen Kevin Feige wear in interviews and documentaries.

Yeah I haven't seen anyone else talk about this whole episode was amazing

“I wrote in the script that when she sees this big AI machine, it's wearing a little black baseball hat, a classic Kevin Feige-style black baseball hat,” Gao recalls. “When the [visual development team] was showing us different possible sketches of K.E.V.I.N., they were all wearing little hats. No matter what type of robot or machine it was, it was wearing a little black baseball hat on top. [Human] Kevin said, ‘Well, that doesn't make a lick of sense, why would a robot wear a hat?’ I said, ‘That's the part that doesn't make sense to you, Kevin, that is the line of logic that you won't cross, we have you represented as an AI brain that is controlling all of the Marvel Cinematic Universes, but the thing that you can't get past is that it might have a hat on top of the machine?’ And he said, ‘Yeah.’” Eventually, it was proposed that the hat would actually be incorporated into the robot, instead of just sitting on top of the robot’s head. “That was the compromise that we made where now it made logical sense for Kevin and I got to have what looks like a little Kevin hat on this machine,” Gao says with a laugh.

I always have subtitles but this time the subtitles ruined the twist

With the logic of the Dude Bro: “I payed for someone else to do it, and that’s just as good as doing it myself.” 🤢

He also stole the powers from She Hulk too. But he justifies it with his delusions.

Critic? I thought they are party poopers.

Thank you. Everyone else is like "Oh, this is like Deadpool!" And me as an older person knowing She-Hulk did it all first.

This. While initially I was loving the fourth wall breaks because they were like the comic (and as said, very different to Deadpool's), some of them didn't have that John Byrne 'spark' to them (the ones where she starts doing exposition to us while the scene behind her ignores what she's doing). I felt those got too heavy handed (not meaning the strength of the wall break, but rather the tone). All the breaks this episode though were just pure John Byrne inspired. from the 70s intro, through Jen shooing off the narrator, to the final literal panel busting escape/invasion. Genius

@@Keyofone So she was the first of her kind? In marvel, I mean?

@@4YrStasis That I remember. From the mid 80s. It's entirely possible that Marvel did something similar before then, though that was before I got into comics.

They need him in prison for _Thunderbolts,_ is the thing.

@@dphalanx7465 though he didn't stay in prison

It could be viewed either way, that Emil knew or didn’t know. He could still want to save Jennifer while at the same time wanting to help motivate them knowing what they are doing. And, Emil does talk about the Abomination in 3rd person earlier on, this could have been the abomination doing it. It’s something I think the writers just didn’t think much about I think. Similar to that wrecking crew dude being at Emils, and Jennifer never asks (or he doesn’t bring it up) hey why did you guys attack me with Asgardian construction weapons? Jen legally can’t turn into Hulk. The blood subplot. Why did Titania and others showed up in both endings. And I think that’s the message the writers were getting at, these plots we built up, besides Jen herself, in the end most of them don’t matter at all. It doesn’t matter if Emil knew or not. It’s about Jen’s personal story. And hey while I didn’t like the show, I respect them for at least taking a swing and throwing out most of the side plots they were building up. And it seems this approach worked for those who liked it. And that’s a great thing. And hey I’d probably be far more positive on this show if I watched it with friends. Seems like it be far better group experience. But those are just my takes & opinions.

@@FanBoyBooks why does everyone want Jen to ask a bunch of random guys why they attack a random person. They saw it as easy. What they did get was the she hulk. That what Jen saw. In fact, if they never mention the blood, to us, then that was all we would think too. Plus they didn't throw out any side plots. They just didn't use them like we assumed them to

@@galonski64 TL;DR warning ! #1 I just said these are my takes & opinions. Now I don’t know about everyone you are talking about. But was I talking about She Hulk asking random guys…. Or the guy, Dirk the Wrecker, who she recognized as one of the Wrecking Crew at the Retreat, Got Outraged, and then became friends with? If I wasn’t clear in my original post, that is who I was talking about, I am sorry for your confusion that’s on me. But…. Randoms guys why they attack a random person? Do you mean why would She-Hulk, who meets one of her attackers at a retreat and gets angry (deservedly so), but never thinks to ask this one person, hey why did you guys jump me for no apparent reason while I was all Hulked out? Or the guy, now friends with She-Hulk wouldn’t think to say… hey you know there’s a group out looking for your blood? Think about it: Why would She-Hulk think four criminals would steal Asgardian weapons and use them to beat up a regular woman even though her identity is public? Could they have? Yeah it’s possible, but it’s odd at the very least. They 100% could, but She-Hulk is Far Far smarter of character than many seem to treat her like. She is extremely smart. And while Dirk isn’t the smartest person, poor guy lol, show built up a friendship between the two and Dirk 100% knew about the blood subplot. He simply never told his friend he was hired to steal her blood.. every time they met or try to contact to tell her. But I have to explain my point of view on this…. To explain my bigger point of view… My take away, which I made sure to say … just my opinion: these subplots don’t matter. That was the point. Okay maybe using the term subplot isn’t fully correct, but it’s basically the entire message of the finale. She-Hulk gets an ending that half doesn’t make sense to her and half doesn’t fully make sense to us the viewers. Breaks the 4th wall to KEVIN… and Creates and new 2nd ending that equally doesn’t make sense. Why? Because it’s the wish fulfillment ending She-Hulk needed. And that’s good for her. Think about it.. She-Hulk warped reality so Daredevil is there for her, against his will and with no idea if he’s in the middle of saving someone. This is what She-Hulk needed in the end. It’s not all these threads, subplots, unanswered questions. She just wanted a happy ending without jerk alpha males ruining it for the rest of us men. And hey I don’t think Matt minded at all (consent would have been nice though). But this was her story. Think about it.. Without making up our own canon… Why did Titania show up both times in the endings? Why was Emil hosting anti She Hulk group? Where did the blood subplot go to actually (literally as in, where is the blood now and what was the plan for it?)? Why is She-Hulk in public entering a court in the end, if it’s illegal for her to turn into She-Hulk? I could go on, I won’t torture ppl anymore with my ramblings lol. And again allll of this is just my opinion, take on it, analysis. I hope you have a great day/night!

That line and its delivery were everything! 😍✨

Possibly the best part of the whole great episode. Just brilliant joke and delivery.

why do you people love this crap show?

I like when she mentioned the X-Men, she knows what we want! :D

SHAMBALLA

@@themetalchica probably BEYONCE now

Improvised dialogue, I think.

@@kiorili Drunkgirl

It's ok you can stop lying

@@secretagenttau2233 so you think it's a lie that it's a perfect finale to this show? 🧐

I don't think it was perfect, I am undecided hate is a too strong word. But not telling how stories get from point A (being the forced fight scene) to b ( Jen being a lawyer again) doesn't get absolved by just breaking the 4th wall and being meta. Also some of the jokes in lights of resent events surrounding Marvel and the news about VFX artists not getting paid and overworked just didn't land and felt out of place

@@secretagenttau2233 It's okay, you can do something better with your life than telling someone they're wrong about what they like and how they like it.

@@betaich Except for the fact that this show was recorded months before the VFX artist news came out...meaning that they already had the joke.

Yes! Such a good laugh. Makes you want to laugh along.

Same here. Probably going to watch this again and laugh along with him... again.✨

@@crystalfire5564 Have you ever seen Tucker And Dale Vs Evil? Jay's laugh reminds me of Dale's laugh at the start of the movie, and I mean that as the highest compliment.

got it right here for you from the Director Gao herself “I think I probably wrote like, 20 versions of a finale that went all over the place and I started feeling like, ‘Well, this is a Marvel show, I better give them the classic Marvel ending,’” Gao continues. “Big villain fight, big finale. But it never felt right because I was trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.” It was the real-life Kevin, Kevin Feige, who helped Gao realize that maybe She-Hulk didn’t need the big villain battle ending. After a talk, Feige “really opened my mind to the idea that it's OK to not do that because I was trying to do what I thought was the Marvel expectation of what the show had to be. He was like, ‘Why? No one's telling you to do that, you don't have to do that, you can do something completely different, we should be doing something completely different because this show is so different from anything that Marvel has done.’ It was getting that permission from him that really made me think, ‘Oh.’ It just changed everything.”

That was a straight-up Byrne's She-Hulk-level 4th wall break.

This isn't Deadpool or Gwenpool. She-Hulk, in comic, has broken out of a panel to discuss her storyline with the writer/artist.

@@Rated314 I know that. I've seen Variant Comics' video on the "History of She-Hulk", so I know that she's broken the 4th wall before in comics. I just never expected them to take to this extent in the MCU. I even liked the homage they did in the beginning of the episode to the 1978 Incredible Hulk series. Especially since creating a female Hulk spin-off was originally CBS's idea, but Marvel took it and said they could make it better.

@@rushmaverick1923 That's true, Stan Lee created ShebHulk just so that CBS couldn't have the rights to it

@@rushmaverick1923 Nice...toss in more trivia to shade the fact that @RATED called you out with the Gwenpool thing. 😉👍 Point is, if you knew She-Hulk had done this first, years ago, there was no point in giving the cred to newer characters.

And he looked like such a surly teenager.

I sure hope that they're gonna do a Planet Hulk movie cuz if this is how they introduce Skaar, one of the most important Hulks from the best Hulk and one of the best Marvel storylines, that's gonna be extremely disappointing. Like they just go ,, here's Skaar, that's it". But Jen said ,,save it for the movie" which probably means that they're gonna do the Planet Hulk movie

@@nekonebitan2912 They’re not doing a planet hulk movie.

They all wanted "stakes".

@@binder38us ironically it’s funny how Jen pointed out that the same people that are complaining about her show are the same ones that say all MCU things are the same

@@deathking1019 then once they change it and acknowledge it they get even more angry. Love the internet

@@joegreene7619 imagine thinking your opinion is so mighty, that people who feel different lack the same mental ability as you.

@@joegreene7619 sounds like you don’t have critical thinking skills

I kind of wish the show had come out and said Todd's an incel who created Intelligencia to punish Jen for denying him the attention he felt she owed him, and all the stuff about "deserving" powers was just smoke to hide his insecurities. I think it's pretty obvious from context that's the case, but these days, so many people are so deep in denial you've gotta state the obvious so they won't think the show's message secretly supports them.

@@jimballard1186 I mean they did though, just not in words.

Facts!! There was ONE thing I was sort of thinking (maybe low-key wishing)… when he injected and that was you would see the sequence but his head go massive and be the leader 😂 But what we got was epic

I'm pretty sure that will happen.

Not really a 4th wall break. In Wong's appearance in the show he was hooked on Sopranos, then This is Us. Wong gets engrossed in shows.

No thanks. But cool for you!

Major “Auto” the evil AI from Wall-E vibes. Steering the ship, playing it safe, etc

Ok but then they basically just skipped over the part where all the plot lines got resolved. How do people not feel ripped off and disappointed by that? This would have been great as the 2nd to last episode setting up the finale, but not the actual finale.

@@sjs334 Honestly, I initially felt like this as well. But on further reflection, I think her confrontation with K.E.V.I.N. is the climactic battle, and it caters to Jen and not She-Hulk. It is a war of Words and Arguments, not fists.

@@sjs334 People don't feel ripped off by it because we all know perfectly well the conflicts will all be resolved in the hero's favor. There is no joy in the ending, only in the journey to get to the ending; and this journey is one of the funniest, most engaging journeys I've watched in a long time.

@@jimballard1186 If we know thr hero will win in the end then why does ANY superhero plotline matter? What's the point of even having a show with storylines and plottwists in the first place if viewers don't even care how it ultimately plays out and gets resolved/explained?

@@sjs334 I literally said the journey to the end is what's important. I do not understand how you get "viewers don't care how it plays out" from that.

Sweet! Thanks!✨

@@jackiecarson859 I learned it from a comment on another reaction. 😀

@@crystalfire5564 Well, thanks for sharing it here!✨

I remember the tv movies with thor (and donald blake who summons thor with mjinor) and daredevil fun fact that the guy who played thor in one of those movies was played by the dad in good luck charlie on the disney channel

Gao has been a pretty good villain for me.

@@rodneyhobbs6507 How exactly do you mean that?

@@DarthTingleBinks I mean she's the bad guy who is responsible for making the show the way it is. Her unlikability makes her a compelling villain.

@@DarthTingleBinks I'm sure she had help with how bad the show was but she's definitely the leader.

@@rodneyhobbs6507 Well I personally loved the series and don't see at all how you can hate or dislike it, or even why you think the show was made intentionally to be bad. Is it perfect? No. But it's highly enjoyable and presents an MCU character that I can finally relate to.

Every show gets 6 hours. I think this one feels shorter because of the half hour episodes and better pacing.

same

Double same, they’re great

I thought it's was me too ✋ 😭

why mine doesnt look like that xd

I am oddly reminded of the original Monkey Island where at one point Threepwood falls off a cliff and the game reverts to the load menu... at which point you fumble for the mouse and swear because you haven't saved in ages because these games *never* kill you... and then the load menu disappears, Threepwood flies back up from screen bottom, lands back at the top of the cliff and says "Rubber tree..." Total fakeout. That of course and She Hulk in the comic breaking out of Dr Bong's deathtrap by sneaking through a used comic mart ad...

Precisely, it's not OUR show, it's HERS.

I have seen a few reactors who loved it.

@@crystalfire5564 I've seen more who like it than dislike it, but I cultivate my recommendations pretty carefully for positivity. I am very, very tired of people who think they have to prove themselves better than a piece of art they could never create in the first place, like a Doug Walker never even bothered to make a channel.

It makes me laugh that people are upset because of that, because it literally proves Jen’s point word for word that there’s this unwritten expectation that there has to be some high stakes overarching plot with a big bad that ends in a big fight. Try anything different and people complain

This guy gets it. Yes, there were shortcomings, (but in no way did it deserve all the hate-dom). Like you, I think they were mostly in regards to the depth/length of the presentation, not the product itself. It was a show that needed more time to show itself off.

@@dphalanx7465 I agree.... Aside from the runtime of the episodes, I liked the show a lot. I had a fun time watching it

@@dphalanx7465 right? There were so many good ideas but we never spent enough time on any of it to truly feel like it was fleshed out. With the episodes being so short and with so few, you really need to hit a pinpoint and it felt like they weren’t sure which point to hit, or like they were trying to hit too many points. More episodes, longer episodes please. I wanna see her do more lawyer stuff, fun or serious. Her supporting cast was great, more of them too. More time, give us more time with everything.

You've obviously never watched true comedy then. This show is garbage. Didn't laugh once.

@@peterlenham3180 I strongly suspect you don't laugh very often. You should smile more.

and they're STILL hating! so it worked HAHA

@@aisha02a Yep

Ya.. because the shoe was absolute garbage. I really hope the do a sequel to the twerking scene.

How though? Those “haters” had nothing to do with the “plot” of the show,it’s just that writers knew people will hate it because it is horrendously written and she hulk is a terrible person

@@italianspiderman5012 Ok?

Modok? Where was that in the latest episode?

I had this whole fanon in my head where HulkKing was actually the Leader and everything that happened to Jen was part of some immense Byzantine plot I thought I had mapped out perfectly, and maybe I even did map it out perfectly, but this ending? It's better than mine. Not even close.

You’re right, it was the producers too

For me it does, I found the idea itself entertaining and funny with Kevin Ai and all, but you can't at the same time cop out of telling a thing you set up the whole season for it suddenly not be a thing anymore. Now I am wondering among other things if Josh even did steal her blood in the first place.

@@betaich I think maybe they did but it didn't work out? So that way it could be used again later? Idk

I think it's fine. Comic books are built on magical thinking in the first place, so skipping the contrivances that try to make magical thinking seem plausible and just literally push God around until he caves is outstanding.

@@betaich He still stole her blood. She only changed the cliche' villain mimicking her powers, random characters just showing up, time of day and removing the generic fight scene at the end for her stepping back in to the conflict and ending the situation legally instead of violently.

Hahaha so true

From a "plot hole" that KEVIN used to move him from wherever he was before the rewrite. :D

I loved it and knew you'd both would to.

+1 for B5 :)

Who’s the reactor? Asking because I don’t need the negativity and I probably won’t watch their reaction to it