People are tired of sex. We miss pure, raw, regular talent. This image seems way to forced on Chloe. It’s killing how naturally divine she truly is.

True sex appeal doesn't come from how you dress. It's simply part of who you are as a woman. The more you stand in who you are it shines through. Chloe is super gifted. She's still finding out who she truly is.

Chloe should be amongst H.E.R, and Ella May. Those girls have that innocent girl next door vibe to them. That’s what i get from Chloe, not this bare it all for the world to see.

I’m glad Melissa was there because she nailed it. Chloe is trying to find her identity. She’s only 24. This sexy side is a part of her self discovery.

Agreed. I think she needs a different avenue for her personality. Everyone shouldn't have to be overtly sexy for fame, and for most women of color....showing massive skin is a pre-requisite. Her voice is amazing and her natural beauty is stunning.

You don't have to show skin to be sexy. I think the instant switch from innocent/wholesome to showing skin, twerking, etc. Is backfiring.

There was a comment that said Chloe is a product of her time and I would agree…the whole IG model vibe. Her sexiness comes off as cringe because it does appear/feel like she is trying too hard, and I think that’s why nothing is sticking. There are women out there who are so goofy and silly and that’s where their sex appeal lies, and she strikes me as that type of young woman….and the fact that she can sing, write and produce on top of being beautiful and stacked is hella dope. So it leads one to think why does her current image/project come off so cheap feeling/gimmicky? That’s why ppl may feel it’s inauthentic, all over the place, and that she’s trying too hard. I feel Chloe doesn’t realize she exudes sensuality/sexuality naturally and once she learns how to harness that I think she’s going to be great.

The problem is whilst she’s singing fuck this and fuck that… when she comes up in an interview, she is the sweetest, most innocent young type of person ever. I’ve never heard her say fuck anything in an interview. The supposed brand with the booty all hanging out and cussing does not come through at interviews. There’s no fake sex tape released. There’s no man to be with to cheat back on. She doesn’t have the messy stuff going on in real life that matches the brand.

It's her personality. She's dressing very provacative but still has virgin eyes. Ice Spice shakes her butt in a tracksuit and breaks the internet. Chloe's like "Please want me" and Ice Spice is like "You can't have this because I already know you can't satisy me. Quit calling me". She needs to do a Willow Smith and find her true calling.

It’s clear that Chloe is battling image issues right in the public eye, but it’s ultimately impacting her “brand” and how people receive the music. It’s sad that her music is struggling because she is very talented. But when I think of an artist that I see as a blueprint for balancing femininity, sexiness, yet cool and relatable, Aaliyah did it best. The music was mature, but it didn’t overpower who she was. Regardless of all the other issues she had behind the scenes with Robert, she appeared relaxed at all times. She was attractive to men and women wanted to be her home girl… I know times are different now, but it would benefit her to have a mentor that’s an OG in the music business… they would not allow this “image-overhaul” to happen to Chloe

HER was the first artist I ever saw transition perfectly into adulthood. She had to hide herself though

ladies, sex appeal can NOT be taught. It oozes out of your pours like sweat. When it isnt natural, it looks akward.

She tried too hard, and her fan base wasn't ready for the good girl gone bad or wild yet. Also, I think are tired of everything being so sexual.

Sidenote: Joe said something important “We are in the microwave/instant gratification era” which is sooo true! Not just with celebrities but regular people and I see the same issue with dating.

I’m glad Melyssa gave Chlöe grace and a realistic perspective about growth

She wasn’t on Disney/Nick. But here’s a few that made it. Ariana Grande, Hillary Duff, Jonas Brothers, Zendaya, Miley Cyrus, Demi Lovato, Selena Gomez. Chloe problem is that she tried to become a sex symbol over night and it feels forced. Also Ungodly Hour was a great album. And her Chris Brown and Future collab could’ve been on different songs. Her 2 worst songs started the album.

The greatest spike in interest was when Chloe dropped that buss it challenge. Probably the first time the shade room posted her.

Chloes pivot to being super sexy aligns with her moving out of her family home! She was homeschooled all of her high school years with strict parents now she can provide for herself and that sex demon is running wild lol

I guarantee you once Halle debuts and become successful while still keeping a clean persona it’s going to make Chloe reconsider

I LOVE Chloe! And her album was really good! The issue is, She doesn’t connect with her audience and Vice versa because People don’t know who she is. They aren’t buying into the image she’s put out there. I agree, that she has to grow in front of the world because if she did it behind the scenes and popped out as THIS, the result would be the same. I think we should allow grace to her and respect the process. But you also can’t please everyone. I think she should’ve taken the Rihanna route. The Miley Cyrus route. The Taylor Swift route. Slowly transition into the sound and look you want. But you can’t just JUMP into an image after people have gotten used to who you were in the group. That’s why she would have to show the growth in front of the world. Unfortunately people don’t like change. They want to be eased into it. If you just jump into something else, people won’t understand it and it turns people off. And I think that’s what happened here. But I DO love Chloe and I’m still rooting for her. Because she’s one of the few PERFORMERS who can actually dance, sing, write and produce.

Melissa gets it ! Every girl especially ones coming from strict religious households go through this ! It’s just more cringe bc it’s on the internet and small reminder from what most went through.

I agree 100% Chloe was marketed to the public in a very specific way and now trying to steer away from that is ruining her career

When she does entirely too much to prove she’s sexy and grown, it comes across as cringey since she already has our respect for being undeniably talented. She doesn’t have to lower herself into being a sex doll to “make it”, she and her sisters elegance is a part of their likability. Jasmine Sullivan and summer walker don’t bust it open but everything they sing on hits!

The selective outrage kills me. Chloe is 25 and grown. These men still chase after women her age and with her sex appeal. The complaining is weird. She’s expressing herself in a way she sees fit and it doesn’t affect anyone. The music still slaps so what’s the issue really.

Exactly. Let's not forget she went viral off of the Buss It Challenge. Columbia seen the praise she got off of that and tried to capitalize off of it by marketing and pushing her as this sex symbol. So her record label is partly responsible but ultimately she is responsible. You have to put your foot down in the industry, know who you are, and have boundaries on what you will or won't do. Or these people in power will put you on a path you may not have seen or intended for yourself. To me Chloe is someone growing into her womanhood and there's nothing wrong with that, but there is a way to do so with taste. Hopefully she can get people in her circle who can serve as true mentors and who truly have her best interest at heart.

How did y’all not mention Miley Cyrus and Arianna Grande during this conversation they went through all of that getting older

She's overly sexualizing herself and it's very awkward because she looks so young tbh. She has actual talent and can really sing maybe some ballads and I'm more subtle approach would help her career. But it's not like she's not doing good at the moment lol

Joe is right. I think that this is why young artists are so sensitive and get derailed from the path of true talent because they post everything for validation. Combined with labels creating microwaved artists is the cause of depression and unnecessary beef.

The moment he said she was a nickelodeon artist, was the moment I knew his upcoming opinion would be invalid. Because not only was she not on Nickelodeon, but he doesn’t have a relationship with her in real life. These are podcasters, not experts or psychologists. To be bitter about the actions of anyone, outside of yourself, is just a display of ego. What they should focus on is their own integrity. Getting their own mindsets in order. Making a positive impact in their own lives and communities. Be wary when you listen to another person’s opinion and remember that this is only entertainment. Not truth.

She’s so beautiful. She don’t have to do the sexy thing. Just be a beautiful self respecting young woman

She’s literally growing up she’s finding her footing her tour is selling out tho so dont let that one week of bad numbers think that was it. She is literally girls who grew up and want to change their image too quick and look grown and sexy. She’s extremely talented writes produces sings beautifully. Her demographic will change. It’s confusing people because she tried the change too fast. But she’ll be ok. Love her energy. She’s more talented than a lot people who are selling too. She’s proven she can do it well before

I think people don’t have a problem with her finding herself. It’s that she’s trying too hard and it’s coming across as being forced. It’s with the performing, the way she dresses, things she does and says. It’s way overboard and not needed for self discovery.

“She’s trying to be looked at as something she’s not” = this is a classic play into Madonna/whore archetypes. A woman can be or look different ways, it doesn’t have to be a fake thing for her or define her entire personality. Leave the girl be.

I been saying this for a while this not how we got introduced to her, kinda seems like the industry started exploiting her and convinced her into whoring herself out to sell records 🤦🏽‍♂

I agree with Joe on that, you don’t have to show the world your growth process. I think Melissa is a poor mentor to young women to do anything but sell sexy looks. None of us are free to just do what we want without criticism and some of us ask for the overt criticism by exposing our lives on social media daily.

I grew up in church and dressed how my parents wanted me to dress. When I got to college and did what I felt most comfortable with, actually wearing clothes that fit me and weren’t to big and baggy, ppl that knew me growing up said, “I changed, and it wasn’t me”. But, it was me. And this might be Chloe. She just under a microscope.

Sexy is in you not on you.. she just needs to be herself! Love Chloe she’s talented.

Chloe wasn’t on Disney or Nickelodeon. She and her sister worked their way to where they are now with their talent and EVENTUALLY signing to Beyoncé’s label. I started listening to her album a few days ago and it’s actually a solid start. People don’t buy albums anymore. At the same time I think the album could have been promoted more. Physically, she’s made it clear that this is who she is. She’ll continue to grow. She’s not even 25.

Chloe wasn’t a Disney or Nick young star though

If you look at other women in the industry that are deemed “sexy” they switch up their clothing in music videos and aren’t always revealing. The problem with Chloe is it’s all too much and too soon. To Melissa’s point she is still finding herself and what works for her brand but I think after this year if there is still backlash from the “sexy” version of her, she will need to switch it up to remain relevant. That’s my take on it.

I think she is going through that "Disney paradox" where they start marketing themselves using racy imagery to shed that "innocent" image.

The OG's remember that this is what happened to Janet Jackson. that year when she came out as sexy and everyone was in shock. But people immediately accepted it because everyone was waiting to see that for one,lol, and she looked very comfortable doing it. i believe it was Renee, her Bf at the the time that was instrumental with that image change for her. if u dont look comfortable, people will not believe you, might as well stay clothed

Chloe and Halle has a true gift from God. They ‘re voices in harmony is phenomenal and they play instruments. I’ve watched them when no one knew who they were as babies in KZfaq. It came from me arguing about how music was gimmicky and soul less not being classical. So I was called a “hater.” Even though I have a history documented in archives of my family being musical. I have two uncles who have a degree in the musical art.. one was a composer at Wash University with an orchestra. Another one make jazz music from his head playing piano. My brother has music videos as a rapper that’s from 10 years ago before the shooting and demonic drastically occurred as of today. Chloe is not into her skin, Chloe is not in this jezebel spirit that came from colorism that she can be a mixture of things from portraying different ethnic backgrounds to cross-over. That’s why it seemed forced. Chloe is not from the generation where men was color- struck on lit-skin complexion. So Chloe don’t have this entity in here to strip her ego as what Oprah said a”madam” to men fantasy. Chloe is with this ethnic culture that’s not exotic but regal. So, she had to sing Beyoncé’s songs while I was looking for new real music that came from the artist experience they wanted to share and not copied nor bought to rush their career. So I found them as well as a another true musical artist named H.E.R. When I found H.E.R. I literally cried tears of joy cause her music came from her signature self. When I saw her on tiny desk, I insanely spoke on it Argumentative on gossip sites, basically any comment section on how music last leg is held by H.E.R. Being herself. Then I mentioned Chloe and Halle while people was in aweee, Hypnotize of starstruck with other or artist. People didn’t pAy any like narn attention. So mentioned older artist like goapele Activism music and background still it was like…crickets. Then I let the brainwashing continue while I appreciated these new and old artist I’ve discovered that was soulful. Until, I look up and then Chloe and Halle was signed by someone with an album called “unholy” I’m like is this some kind of retribution from my knowledge of music from my blood lineage. I’m like no way this not that serious. I’m just a nobody that commented faithfully on how music has changed and therefore it’s not any attention for me as a threat to anyone in the industry. Especially whoever manage them but NOW it’s starting to look like they may have been given advice that’s not in their favor. I don’t know but my discernment doing my journey has given me the best messages while everyone being pessimistic on comparing artist. Music doesn’t suppose to divide it suppose to bring us TOGETHER.

I’ve been saying this for a min. Like it’s okay to be attractive and show talent idk why these young girls feel like they need to be sex symbols to blow up.

I truly wanna know. How do you all know this isn’t really her ? How can you say this isn’t who a person is and you NOW get to see it. We don’t know her.

It's her label encouraging and pushing that image to reach an "older" "different" fan base. But with her talent alone she will attract the right fan base

I think this is it. Its contrived. Her and her sister had a lane of their own and pure talent that made it to be forced sexuality and its too much. She was sexy on that tiny desk concert with her sister in jeans. That was their time to shine and take it to the next level and her management ruined it.

Chloe isn’t a Disney or Nick star but she was in a Disney movie and a lot of other movies when she was younger.

being more sexy and edgy happened so fast for sure, I remember her and her sister doing Covers of Songs on youtube years ago and they was so innocent so for me it was weird AF seeing her doing the scene in Swarm and now the music is trying to be more sexy and Ratchet she should've transitioned into that slower is all I'm saying but beautiful talented girl she will bounce back

A good example of an artist with transition is Rihanna. From “Pon the Replay” to “Good Girl gone Bad”

You can tell they are making her do all of that. Most girls who come in the industry are forced in that position of showing more skin. It starts off small and gradually they have to show more. She's playing the game.

Yeah man forcin the sexy like a mf.. she cute😭

The equivalent of this is being a nerdy kid from the suburbs but you always admired hood things your whole life. Then getting grown enough to make your own decisions and then choosing to go hang out in the hood and with gangs and etc. except everyone is looking at you like you don’t belong because your known for being from the suburbs and a nerd .

Chloe isn’t no damn Nickelodeon girl

She’s a good girl, who is being pushed to be too sexy…She should be wholesome

Loveee the lady’s perspective! So insightful!♥️♥️♥️👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

Truth is Joe feels extremely uncomfortable finding Chloe sexy.

It comes off forced and awkward and it happened right after the buss it challenged . It happened overnight .

Totally agree. I had this conversation with a few people about the inauthenticity and hypersexuality.

Thank you I said the same thing she's trying to be sexy to fast the lane was set for her she went left

As awkward & forced as she comes off at times, I’m still a fan of Chloe’s. I think she’s really fucking talented. I’m surprised her sales are so low because she’s seemingly a popular artist, at least in black spaces. I haven’t seen her be positioned as a mainstream/crossover act. But she’s got 6 million IG followers & I believe the stat is 2% of your social media following will actually pay for your product, 10K is way below that mark. This is a bump in the road that I’m sure she’ll bounce back from. Meg can’t sell albums but she’s still treated like a giant mainstream artist so Chloe will be fine

Melyssa going introspective/retrospective

I can't believe she said "bodacious" LOL girl

Yooo the intro on today’s Pod was sick asf! I was thinking its no way you play the Jay track without Drake 🔥🔥🔥🔥 I love Saturdays

Sexy doesn’t have to mean wearing overly suggestive clothes or doing overtly sexual movements and gestures in your music. Some artists or regular people are comfortable with this and it looks like it comes to them naturally and that’s fine. I find artists like Sade sexy and sensual and it’s just effortless and natural for her because I think she stays in a lane that shows her sex appeal that’s comfortable to her. And it shows! I think more artists need to find their own way of conveying sex appeal that isn’t so forced. I think Chloe, just like many young ladies, is still finding herself, and she should be given the grace to do so without all the judgement. She’ll find a lane that suits her and she feels more comfortable in in her own time.

I've been saying the same as Melissa. I think she's very comfortable in her skin and in her presentation. I think the public hasn't caught on yet. They want her to still play little girl and she's really out here dating rappers and being a grown woman doing grown woman things.

Where is the full episode?

Cut-Off Joe, is BACK*lmaooo*...!!

Chole Biggest problem It's the same problem some wrestlers go through when they were in a tag team their whole entire career. And then they try to become a singles star And find out 50% of the work of a tag team is easier than 100% percent as a solo star then as a solo star they try to find themselves But they find themselves still trying to do a tag team style as a solo, so the first mistake is changing the gimmick or persona to far from what they are use too and that change is normally too Drastic which can confuse your fan base and the fan base can see through the BS, She's in the career limbo where she's trying to be two different things at once and that's the problem

A couple of things. I'm glad Melissa gave her perspective since she's a woman. I agree with Melissa when she says Chloe is being her authentic self. Being authentic doesn't necessarily mean smooth. Chloe has got to be left alone and given the grace to be herself. Let her figure out it. I also feel there's very little middle ground for young Black female singers. So many are dropping it, bussin' it, and twerking. I get why Chloe's doing it. She's a product of her time.

7:52 joe thank you for speaking up. I was like is nobody seeing this?

growing pains are real. must be a mindfuck to do it with an audience.

She can’t help what she looks like it’s just the masses that want the persona to match

No truer words have ever been spoken by Joe Budden!!!!

Chloe does the most…she comes off as thirsty and she tries to hard to be a sex symbol. Just be you, stop trying to do to much to soon.

I'm so happy somebody else finally said it. I thought I was the only one.

This somewhat seems like identity politics when there’s a lot of women who struggle with embracing their sexuality. A lot of women are beautiful and sexy but don’t know how to carry it just yet.

It's crazy if a young woman decided she want to go through her sexy era... Why is the world telling her it's forced. Have we all forgotten the feeling of being young.....25..... Wtf.... Support the girl and stop talking ish about her. Buy the album or stream it... Simple. Let's get the numbers up

Chloe has been like this as a performer since she was young. It's clear y'all never actually supported Chloe x Halle or you'd know that. On youtube, Chloe x Halle were more reserved because that's who they are off stage. But on stage, this is very much who Chloe has always been. Except she was a literally child and couldn't be as overt. So yea, y'all are creating a version of Chloe that never existed. She's not uncomfortable being sexual

This conversation was a mess and it was all over the place. 😊😊😊

Miley Cyrus did the same thing when she made the transition from Hannah Montana to who she is now... when she did song with Mike Will made-it

MOST PEOPLE ARE BEING HYPOCRITICAL..YALL PRAISED HER DOING THE "BUSSIT " challenge NOW YALL TEARING THE GIRL DOWN SMH

Thank you!

I think the problem is they trying to push her as the next Beyonce.

Yeeeeaaaaa I’m SO glad Melissa was there to add an actual woman’s opinion. I feel like she came into this a younger girl and now she’s turning into a woman. She wants to feel sexy and express that part of herself right now. I feel like that’s a natural maturation not necessarily a forced industry change. (Not saying that doesn’t happen) I just kno what it feels like to progress from girlhood to womanhood. Js

I love the addition of Mel ❤

0:32 😭😭😭 when did ICarly make an album?

I feel like she wasn’t promoted enough. I like her and I had no idea her album came out.

What trips me out about the 40 year old hip hop demographic is that they never gave a fuck about ChloexHalle and never listened to their music outside of maybe Do It. They don't give a fuck about Chloe's music because it doesn't appeal to them, as expected. So why even try to tackle a topic of "what went wrong" with her first week sales and try to pin it on her grown ass decision to express her sexiness? And who gives a fuck if it's forced to people who don't believe it and aren't trying to receive it in the first place? She's headlining a sold out tour performing in the same venues as artists who sold 30-50k their first week this past year. That's where she is making her real money...from shows, not streams. They won't speak on that though.

Chloe is just finding herself she will be alright

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 yup Melissa said exactly what I’ve been saying. Well said boo

Joey is crazy as hell. I'll still give him this Kat 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

I love joe but sometimes he don’t do his homework before he speaks on things as a fact and that is not a good look

Chlöe is a STAR!!! Tour is sold out two weeks after dropping her first solo album. Watch the concert clips. Her fans are lit!!! She's only going to get bigger and better. Hope she pays all these hating outlets dust!

The iCarly girl 😅😂😂😂

All facts about Chloe. And that last take was definitely referring to Cardi B...and those like her.

Chloe & Halle aren’t from Nickelodeon or Disney. They’re Beyoncé’s protégés.

Halle on the other hand is going to stay too herself and she’s the one we need to look out for .. just wait on it ! Chloe’s album is a banger tho .. sounds like a platinum album to me 🧐

Chloé is not a Disney kid, tho.

To Joe’s point Zendaya tried the music route, didn’t flourish as maybe expected, then became an all time great actress