Right on. Bonzi layed it out perfectly. Plays and so on, are just for structure. If a player cannot break out of that, by using skill and cunning, he sucks. Period

Coaches do get too much blame and its sad. Gotta start holding these over paid and over rated players accountable

“I feel better now”🧏🏾‍♂️😂😂😂

Basketball is 90% players, 10% coaches and management. If they win, we celebrate the players because they did 90% of the work. They deserve it. BUT if they lose, we blame the 10%?? Nah! AD and Lebron have been disrespecting Darvin all season long, disregarding his calls then all of the sudden, they blame him for not making the right plays for them? What?

It’s like when people tried blaming coach Spo or Ty Lue for Lebron’s failures. Always gotta be a scapegoat, even though 95% of plays by most teams these days are just improvised by the players - or 1 guy iso’s and everyone else just stands around watching. Coaches have way less impact now.

Guys missing free throws & turning the ball over then lose. Aww it was the coach

Too many players are being too spoon fed nowadays

I agree with Bonzi. The plays and analysis is for structure and preparation for what you will likely see on the court and how to handle it. But things on the court don't always follow the script and you need to be able to adjust. That's what you're getting paid for. And even when they do, you have to execute. It defeats the purpose of drawing up the gameplan if those exact situations happen in games and the players fail to execute.

Fair is Fair. The Coaches may be cowards for wanting to be liked by the players but so are the analyst. These analysts on television, they're also scared to call out Lebron James for having yet another coach fired from the Laker's organization. Despite his stats, Lebron the one not doing his best in the fourth when it matters. Most bus drivers would be first to admit blame but not him. Why is the narrative always to let him slide?

What Sheed said is same as Jennings said also. If you had played 10 years at least they know how to coach themselves specially with lebron and AD.

It was Monty Williams fault that that the Suns lost in the first round this year. He didn't make enough adjustments. It's also his fault that Kevin Durant has been swept in the first round two for the last three years. It's Steve Nash's fault too.

I love Charles, he's a class act💯

Darvin Ham scapegoat for LeBalco not giving more effort on defense so he can stat pad 🤷🏽‍♂️

Coaches get TOO MUCH BLAME when they lose. And Players get MOST OF THE CREDIT when they win.

Lebum got darvin fired. But phoenix deserves their hheat they traded their pg....never had a chance tbh.

A lot of these stars don’t wanna be coached. Darvin wasn’t a great coach, but with LeBron getting in the way of EVERY COACH HES EVER HAD, how do we know? You can’t even let him implement a system because he’s got his hands tied behind his back. You do one thing LeBron doesn’t like, he starts chirping to the other teammates and bringing you down. Not saying LeBron is a complete coach killer, but really you need to start looking in the mirror, but you’re about to be 40, so I think it’s probably too late.

4:39 Gregg Popovich would draw up some great plays at the end of games, the Duncan 3 vs Phoenix in 08, and the Manu three off the inbound vs GSW in ‘13 in game 2 in 2nd OT.

i agree with rashad the coaches do get blame alot

I love how real you guys talk.

When the Raptors' won the chip, Nick Nurse was a first year NBA head coach. Thing is, his coaching staff was mostly the same as the coaching staff from the year before. Nick Nurse was the lead assistant for a very strong organization that had major assets all over the coaching staff. Dwane Casey wasn't even a bad head coach, it's just that he was on a team that was stacked with good coaching. Also, Masai had an ability to attract talent to that team. It takes a long time to put together that kind of organization. Swapping out the head coach doesn't usually solve the coaching issue, if that's what you think it is. There's no easy fixes on this one.

4:25 - 4:40 Bonzi real talk 💯

The Lakers roster is Stacked... But When lebron wants to shine, even if hes shooting Bad, theyre simple sidelined. Dlo, Reeves, Hachimura, AD. This is Not a Bad Core. Simple Add a solid modern Winger the 3 and let hachi play the 4.

Charles needs to tell this our country's media as a whole. Do your damn job!

Coaching an aging Superstar has to be one of the worst things in sports.

I've always heard coaches deserve more of the blame in football but when it comes to basketball, baseball, and soccer it's really a player's game. Yet in the NBA come playoff time everybody tries to forget that because all of these stars are grouped together but aren't winning titles. They have the best players so it must be the coaches. Forgetting that real dynasties of the past were built over long periods of time and stayed together over 5 seasons or more.

Thank you

Why didnt they state the obvious. Le Bron needed to blame the coach. Everytime he loses he needs to blame either the players or the coach.

These guys are the perfect combo, pause

Blaming the coach is admitting that you're not good enough to win without being told what to do. I feel like for the amount of money this players make, they outta be coaching themselves.

Coach call timeouts during crucial moments they can mess up the game too especially if players don’t like coach’s game plan but still at the end of the day the coaches aren’t playing the players are.

firing a coach after only 1 or two seasons is crazy to me

Not one coach has ever scored a bucket!! Referees have more impact on the game than coaches!!

It's actually all 3 faucets gm players and coaches. Coaches are to damn quiet and walking eggshells of each others gm making dumb teams following these loser stat analysts players ball iq is not their no real veteran's and coaches staff development is damn near non existent now we have a bad product

blames them gms are stealing money

Teams/Organizations that build teams for longevity and not for today are the ones that are successful right now. Minn, Denver, Boston, OKC, Miami. These teams have allowed their coaches to coach and they have built their teams with the draft and an occasional FA or trade here and there. Always trying to land the big star or put together the big 3 has ran its course. The league salary cap structure now, only allows for 2 max contracts (50 mil) for each team with a cap of 136 mil (141 mil in 20-25) and there is a luxury tax if you go over 178 mil. Meaning - if 2 players are making $50 mil each, your squad has to add 10 other players using about $36-40 mil - then you are paying a luxury tax. Well if 2 players are making $50 mil and 2 players are making $20 mil - you are reaching that luxury tax b4 you fill your starting 5. A lot of teams are trying to stay under that tax. That being said, if you have 3 max players on your squad (ie Phoenix) you can only fill your roster with role players. In the case of the teams mentioned above, bc they have built their teams via the draft, their players have grown within the system, developed chemistry and even the role players are good and they only have 1-2 big contracts and some moderate mid level deals. You also have to allow a coach to come on a develope a culture/expectations and that’s hard to do in 1-2 seasons. Players have build chemistry with one another, understand tendencies and execute. If a team is riddled with injuries that could take longer to everyone on the same page. However, if a coach comes in and they don’t win right away, they get fired and the process starts all over. There is RARELY a coach at any level that walks in and wins it all in year one! Doesn’t usually happen!!!!

1 of the Realist Podcast in sports 👏🙌

I think that in sports in general, a lot of players will look at the coach and think, "well he was never as great a player as I am so why would I listen to him?" Well the problem with that is that coaching and playing are two very different things and just because somebody wasn't the best player in the world doesn't mean they can't be a great coach (and when you go down the list of the best coaches of all time in any sport, the overwhelming majority were not previously "great" players).

“The players are a bunch of knuckleheads!” 😜

You can get good players that don’t fit together. That’s what I see in the NBA. Teams draft pieces to fit systems and have more success than teams that trade/sign players with star power

did sheed ever talk about how was his relationship with coach brown?

Coaches need the Blame if they can't make the Necessary adjustments

I don’t always agree with Charles but when I do… it’s dead on. Coaches plan and motivate… players have to execute.

It was Doc Rivers fault the Clippers and 76ers lost this year in the first round, because he didn't make the right adjustments.

Bonzi! 😎💪

They also get TOO MUCH PRAISE even when winning with multiple stars on their team like Steve Kerr and Eric Spoelstra.

Coaches are blamed too much, but they also get too much credit sometimes. Coaches generally aren't any better then the talent that they are coaching. You can take any coach out of history and give them the roster of the last place team and they are not going to win anything with it. Coaching matters, but only so much. Talent matters more. Coaching might come into play a little more when both teams are supremely talented, then you might see the difference in coaching. But if you have a losing program, it's not the coach's fault. Unless it's like college sports or somewhere where the coach is also responsible for the talent

I watched AD score 32 points through 3 quarters game 3 vs Denver then the fourth quarter came he took one shot lmao after the game the Darvin Ham got all the criticism lmao that’s not on coaching that’s the player needing to be more assertive & aggressive the coach shouldn’t have to run on the court & put the ball in your hands you gotta wanna win! The Suns had a FLAWED roster all season & everybody saw it but after the season Vogel gets all the blame lmfao NBA players are insanely entitled & the star players don’t take accountability certain players do but most don’t

It was Frank Vogel's fault the Lakers lost this year.

Even these so called super teams are put together terribly, the Suns had no defense no rebounding & no play maker or ball distributor but people felt like they could make the finals

Well damn Chuck! I agree.

It don't matter once a team quits its over

..........but Sheed also told Doc to quit!

They put these players on a pedestal

Bonzi n Sheed kept it real. Gil flipped what Charles was saying n started bringing up what chuck didn’t accomplish when he played

Coaches don’t win games, players do

Coaches get too much blame and credit! 100%

It’s hard to get grown ass rich men to buy it to your system as a coach. All the fans and the media want these teams to win a championship every season, but the truth is that most of these players don’t care about winning. They just do enough to get a big contract and then play like thrash in the playoffs

The Nuggets WERE NOT the “defending champs” when they VACUUMED the fakers🧏🏾‍♂️😏

Hmmm....No practices, over playing players, usually bad with adjustments. So coaches deserve the blame.

NBA players are never held accountable for anything

One thing is fo sure, when THAT GUY loses someone gets thrown under the bus. It does not matter if it is his teammates and the coach. They will get thrown. No where HIS fault. 👑

Players like Bron, kd giannis and harden don’t take accountability. That’s why coaches get the blame

Lakers had no bench. That's why they couldn't hold those leads

Coaches do get too much blame, but it can also be glaring when coaching is poor. Players are heart, but coaches are the brain. If the brain is setting stupid matchups, not adjusting, and/or leaving the team unprepared, the coach needs to go. Frank Vogel was scapegoated, though. Glassmade AD and Westbrook caused that.

George Karl got fired after winning coach of the year! So, yes, coaches do get too much blame sometimes!

Then they obviously also get too much credit.

How about react to Gilbert Arenas response to what Chuck have said

LeChoke Blames

A REALLLL ALPHA MALE. SALUTE SHEEDDDDD. 3 to da head originator

Sheed now talks about players being accountabile while blaming everything on Doc Rivers lol

I guess he never has seen the lineups minutes distributions and lack of coaching darvin displayed. Lakers up 20 then the other team going on a 16 point run darvin has his hands in his pockets lol

The Lakers organization has unrealistic expectations for their head coaches. This is going to be their 7th head coach, since Phil Jackson left coaching back in 2011. So l would imagine a lot of the coaches interviewing for the job will know that they will probably only have the job for about 2-3 years realistically. Honestly, I don’t think the Lakers are in the position to win a championship without some major changes to their roster given their best player is turning 40 years old later this year.

So when lefraud bricks a shot because he asked for the ball, it's darvin ham's fault?

The Lakers put themselves in the position to play Denver in the playoffs because they sucked in the regular season as well.

Boy is he right. Better players at the Y or the Boys Club

Gotta put more blame on the GMs as well they can't draft for crap

Fine if players can overrule the coaches plays then the players should get all the blame.

I guess this is for everyone except Doc.....

I agree…except when it comes to doc rivers😂😂😂

Especially when you got player missing 3 and mid-range shots and they lost by 5 or 10 points! But they average between 10 to 20 points a game while missing 10 shot or more! It the coach fault! ❤😂😂

LeBron coaches get too much blame.💯😅 #Facts

Finally some honesty, people like to blame Doc Rivers, but I am sorry that fake ass MVP and 0 shot in the 4th Harden f*cked this up by themselves ...

Ham is an okay coach. The laker job just isn’t for him rn.

Lol when do you blame the coac6? Notice when they say don't blame the coach all they're talking about is going 1on1. You can't just do the same thing over and over and beat good teams. They're also saying win in spite of the coach. How about you get a coach that can do his job so you don't have to do it for him smh. So i guess no one should blame Doc Rivers for anything but they do. Including Rasheed Wallace lol

Good podcast. I. Subscribed. Wish yall would bleep out the profanity though

These star players WANT these coaches they hand picked, then when it doesn't work out, it's the coaches fault. The coach is making 5 million a season, you as a star player is making 25+. Take some blame, that's why the league is watered down now! Too much entitlement

Suns roster is flawed they had great scorers but no PG to get those guys shots.

Chuck is right about the GMs and what not, like for my Lakers. Pelinka is a bum

The thing that bothers me about the players from my generation is that they have all conveniently forgotten all of the mistakes they made when they played. They don't remember arguing with their coaches and getting many of them fired. They don't remember the innumerable times they played lazy, missed boxing out on a rebound,or throwing stupid passes. This is the evil of social media. Everybody puts on a black robe and grabs a gavel. People who have never studied a subject, never practiced a discipline, never competed in competitive sports but they're all expert's who eagerly sit in judgment of those who actually mastered those things. Rasheed Wallace was a lazy, big mouth, undisciplined, argumentative player who routinely missed assignments and regularly cost his team because he was threatening the refs. He spent more time trying to be an enforcer than mastering his craft. The same goes for Bonzi Wells. These old heads have selective memories. If they were playing today, they would find out just how athletically superior the players are today. As I've said, it's easy to critique and criticise those you will never have to compete against.

Wasn't Sheed going in on Doc Rivers for stuff in his career??? It's only wrong when it don't fit their narrative 🤦🏾‍♂️

If a coach has success they’ll say he’s getting carried. If the team ends up sucking they’ll blame the coach. Lmfao.

Coaches get too much blame. players get too little blame and GMs get no blame. When in reality they are all to blame. It should be 35/40/25. players, GM, Coaches. With that being said Frank Vogel and Ham are average coaches. does that mean they should be fired. no. but.. What are the team expectations. And the GM.....

100......todays players might be more athletic in general but they LACK BASIC FUNDAMENTALS......the 80s 90s and early 00s teams were far superior because they were fundamentally sound

Rasheed Wallace comes off as a lunatic sometimes.

lol who in the west can the lakers beat? 🤔

Coaches don't play and don't execute the plays called and today's game is either iso ball and 3 ball so how is it the coaches fault bunch of divas moist era

Chris Paul for Bradley Beal was a terrible trade. Last year the Suns lost in the 2nd round to Denver in 6. No structure no leadership just a beta male small 3 taking turns shooting 3s We all know AD and Queen James are divas not even gonna speak on those black women 💀

Lebron doesnt get the blame .. always his coach! Lebron definitely has coach killer instinct!

How many agrees does Sheed have?

Le blame james