Megan Garcia So true! It really does say everything needed to be said about the real Marilyn Monroe.

@Jason Strom I don't get that vibe at all. I find Shelley Winters is being honest and sensitive to who Marilyn truly was. I agree with her that Marilyn could not have played older characters parts. As Shelley said, Marilyn had very poor self-esteem and what self-esteem she had came from being beautiful and desirable to ALL men. At 36, Marilyn was already in a panic about her looks; her face, her wrinkles, her breasts, her weight, her loss of youthfulness. Shelley adored Marilyn. You only have to see photos of her and Marilyn at an awards event, (shown @6:32), to see the true affection that these two talented women had for each other.

I think... not positive... but I think that segment is from a movie.

Rite I noticed that too

Missditabomb I agree, Shelley loves Marilyn. She’s not jealous of her. She admired Marilyn.

Yes, Marilyn always brought her books with her where ever she moved. Too bad she got involved with the Kennedys, that was dangerous for her, even Jane Russell her good friend never believed she killed herself but was murdered. Actor Peter Lawford [who married into the kennedy family] I read had visited her on the night she died. If she had gotten older and fat she still would have been beautiful.

In the atrocious bad incredilby low budget movie, Goodbye Norma Jean in 1976 with Misty Rowe(from Hee Haw)as MM. She says, "That's the last c-- I will ever s---" . Typical 1970s poor taste.

Sounds like the world

Wow . Bertie . It stinks .😥

Marilyn was very wise and astute. She was so right about Hollywood.

Nice speak and so real

Doesn’t seem like it. For her to say “….no one was miserable….” tells me that she is delusional.

Same

Oh balls. You create your own misery.

nadia c she didn’t take vows. Their husbands did 🤷‍♀️

@bubblepopelectric, So does that excuse her lack of compassion for the wife and kids? 🙄She was a self centred narcissist the roped people in with her "poor little me" shtick. There's no good heart there, just a greedy one.

You're about to make me cry❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

Am a fan of Shelly Long and Marilyn Monroe. They were both great.

Yes it really does matter :(

do you mean norma jean did not have a supporting family not marilyn monroe the actors alter ego i think you are getting her real identity confused norma jean is her real name marilyn was her stage name the character she is playing or her alter ego marilyn monroe was not a real person

Her mother was mental ill and had no supporting partner, that's why her mother was to weak to support her daughter Marilyn Monroe!

I assume that Marilyn Monroe (Norma Jean Mortensen) had bipolar disorder, changing the mood from very happy to very deep depressed. In a deep depression episode patients can't move out, a lot of anxiety against people until they recover. In a very deep depression episode they can commit suicide. Bipolar patients should not stay alone a long time or should have pets, so have an animal to care for! Sometimes for patients with bipolar disorder other human confrontation could be very painfull for them!

And that's the worst type of loneliness

ESPECIALLY with hundreds of people around them!

Tnx for the insights, nobody knew that till you said it

I used to think that the worst thing in life was to end up alone. It's not. The worst thing in life is to end up with people who make you feel alone. ~ Robin Williams :-(

Omg so very true. I miss my 31 yr.old son who died 18 months ago and have been in a bad way. If/when I go out and there re many many people there I am so alone. It is truly the worst feeling. Still feel this way. I think of MM's deeply sad upbringing and her early demise. As Shelley said she was more of a cover model maybe should have stayed that way and was anxious in front of the camera. A puppet for so many to manipulate people in Hollywood

Yes, me too...

willec49 I got bored :(

Shelly was a good friend to Marilyn. Shelly seems like such a fun and smart lady.

Yeah

Shelley was a hot mess and a notorious drunk. Yawn.

syz·y·gy yeah that was so sad

Kellie P. They just screw. It’s called a hook up. It’s like animals except beasts are hardwired by estrus to reproduce. They have no choice. We do.

@Will M but a love affair... That swept off your feet woeld

Well said.

....The Razor’s Edge....

You “wouldn’t mind” seems to be a bit a condescending.

I thought she was terrific. I could listen to her for hours. What a life. She is like a beloved Aunt.

@@Celisar1 Just curious, what nation are you from and what is your primary language?

HP Lovecraft 3:50

HP Lovecraft And a great actress to boot.

What does it mean we endorsed men un this contexte ? Excuse-me, I am french citizen .

If you replace the word endorsed with suggested you should understand.

Shelley used the wrong word really. She goes on to say they had totally different types. Marilyn had Daddy issues & went for fatherly & intelligent.

Just mae very poor choices.

Yeah that makes me tear up too. She wished she had family

MM had a sister, but she lived in Michigan and later down the East Coast. Before their mother died, taken care in a Florida sanatorium to where MM flew to visit her whenever having a week free, her sister moved to Florida to be near her, after her husband died. But MM was already dead by then too. Her sister became the real left alone sister after her 2 siblings died, their brother at 12 and Norma Jeane at 36

Absolutely true

Yes

That's a Fact!

Especially as a beautiful woman when these creepy men decided her career.

I had a difficult childhood. Some struggling makes you stronger. Both my parents abused me. I still got through. Probably she became a chameleon due to her unstable childhood

2 Oscars. Love both Shelly and Marilyn.

I see Winters as a big sis or motherly figure to Monroe as what Monroe needed.

♥️

Saule, you wrote the truth! Jane Russell, appeared to be a little jealous of Marilyn!

Saulė Lovegood I think Jane Russel looked better than both Without that fake bleach blonde head of hair

Jane Russell seemed to be a lot more classy than Winters or Monroe. No jealousy, probably just weariness over women with loose morals getting a leg up. Oh well, who says life is fair.

I very agree with your comment....shelley in all her entervew about Marilyn, she is very sincere about her friendship with Marilyn and compassion about her.......great Shirley Winters...........

@@nadiashireensiddiqi Meooooow!! & Jane Russell was a functioning alcoholic for much of her life.

She was brilliant.

She'll always be Rosanne's grandma to me and I adored her in that role and wished she was my great-grandma.☺️

She played in the movie with Robert Mitchum, Night of the Hunter directed by Charles Laughton. It was terrific. I never saw a movie like that, to bad Charles Laughton never made another film. Film Noir. Excellent. Watch it if you can.

@@tracyaulbrook9594 truly her best role. I don't like her as a person, but she was a hell of an actress and she shone in that role.

Dne End, I really would not say Shelley Winters was underrated - Hollywood did award her with two Oscars, along with two additional nominations. Back in the early-to-mid1970's (as a young teen), I would be allowed to stay up late (on a "school night") whenever Shelley was scheduled to appear on the Carson show (another legend!) She could be incredibly brilliant and funny in the most off-handed way. One example, which I can still recall and laugh at - Shelley was relating to Johnny that she spent 100,000 dollars (a huge bundle of money then, and a good sum now) on psychiatric help to determine the reason for her attraction to "Latin men." The studio audience grew very quiet, and after a couple of seconds, Johnny asked her if she "ever found out the reason." Shelley, now fixing her dress, said (in her loud voice) "Yes, it was because I LIKED THEM!" Needless to say, the audience roared with laughter. This was no audience laugh against Shelley, the crowd was fully with her. Johnny Carson absolutely loved her and she was a special guest dozens of times over his 30 year run on late-night TV.

Picket Fence Same with her memoirs but was she truthful?

@@angelabender8132 Oh I don't know, Shelley didn't strike me as the kind of person that would make stuff up. To what end? She was brutally honest about herself, so what would be the point of her lying about other people?

Yes!

She had that, and she left both husbands.

yaya kelley Joe DiMaggio Loved Her 💕

Marilyn didn't want somebody to love her,she wanted everybody to love her!

Tara Tate Joe loved her til he died. However he was very possessive and that doesn’t work when Marilyn belonged to the world.

Will M not abusive I say but while married yes, but after the divorce he stopped the alcohol, went to therapy and they reconnected staying good friends. after her death he sent roses to her grave for 20 years( I read that somewhere). He loved her. Joe didn’t remarry after Marilyn. And last but not really sure if it’s true DiMaggio last words and thoughts were about Marilyn and how he is going to see her again.❤️

Totally made me tear up

I think tragedies such as these should increase empathy for all children in bad situations…. but it hasn’t. Kids are still in terrible situations.

Are you freakin kidding me! Get over it

she really knew her, they lived very intensely that time period as unknowns and even shared clothes. Like doing Bootcamp together, "sisters" for Life

Oh man. Thats priceless! 🤣

😂😂

I remember a another story about a young Liz Taylor. All the stars got a per diem. A fellow actor came by to get Liz and she was frantically opening up shopping boxes that had been delivered. When questioned, she blurted out that she wasn't quite done spending her per diem for that day. This actor explained that it would roll over to the next day and accrue. You didn't have to spend the allotment each day.

I'm reading Shelley's biography right now! £2.00 on Ebay!😊

The movie Poseidon Adventure was her best performance. She did the swimming herself, no double was used.

Jenny Q: Farley Granger lived for decades in the New York apartment above Shelley's. He said she was his great love (although he was in an out of the closet long term love partnership with the man he lived with...) and if he had ever gone into a straight marriage it would have been with Shelley. He said they were inseparable. They called each other back and forth all day. Farley Granger was a delight. One of our under rated greats.

@Jenny Q What an amazing experience! What a classy lady.

Jenny Q She used to go to the Silver Spoon a lot for dinner. I lived, still do right there and would see her periodically and she would always go to the side bar. Very very nice lady.

I always got that vibe from her. Thank you for sharing your story.

Jenny Q thank you everyone for sharing. I grew up with her as the ideal woman. She was SO smart, SO charming ....every boy and girl was attracted to her charismatic ways. Just looking at her made me smile. (In those days they didn’t have homophobia in public so it was acceptable for both sexes to be attracted to her without recourse if you know what I mean....I’m old as dirt. Lol

Gods2ndFavoriteBassPlyr - Shelly reminds me of Roseanne Barr - lol - I like them both

I don't think Shelley Winters would have been a good friend for Marilyn... during the interview she says "if she (Marilyn) was DUMBer, she would have been happier." That is not something a friend would say.

AngelicLove21 or thats something someone realistic would say. Because it’s the truth, is she would’ve been dumber she probably would’ve settled for less and maybe live a long and happy life, but that was never the plan man

My point is... she could have used a different word to describe that aka "if she (Marilyn) was smartER."

AngelicLove21 She didn't mean that in the way you think. She was saying that she was too intelligent to simply follow the status quo. Shelly has elaborated on this many times over the years.

You obviously don't get the irony. Monroe had smarts, but she also had an image thrust upon her that she was fearful of reversing in her career at that time. She was vulnerable and abused by the studios. I think a good friend would tell like it is.

In those times, careers were over by their 30s.

in hollywood at that time, 36 was more or less considered 46,56,,, especially for a woman known for her beauty and sex appeal..

You will be surprised that even till this day some people have that mentality that by 30 is over and that you are stop being desirable at the age of 30.

It’s 2022 and you’re still considered an old rotting cow at 36, things have not changed at all in the last 60 years 🫠

@@sunnybunny8470 Sadly they do.

Shelley was always gracious, when asked to comment on Marilyn......while Marilyn never did find lasting happiness, Shelley confirms they did have fun times.

And a great actress. xo

This is very well known to Marilyn fans

Maristella it’s mentioned in several Monroe biographies

...Shelly said she could have wrote a book on Marylyn..

For Dylan Thomas people - one of the great writers - a poet❣️

frank peter =

At what date did George Reeves die, and did people ever figure out how he die?

Can somebody answer that, please?

I love Shelleys voice and I love listening to all her interviews. She is open, honest and very funny.

Leslie Suli she has 2 oscars

Nope. Not even close. Shelley Winters was a decent person. tony Curtis said that when doing Some like it hot, kissing Marilyn Monroe was like kissing hitler. Great guy. Don't miss him muc, though…..

@@normadesmond6017 I don't remember any "Hitler" remark, but I do recall TC saying that her B.O. and breath were terrible... Frankly, I would have enjoyed removing her clothes and showering with her.... Brushing teeth & mouth wash before and after the shower... LOL!

Actually, Marilyn got pregnant with Tony Curtis' baby while filming "Some like it Hot". He may have been married at the time, but did NOT want her to have a baby! Maybe he thought it was somebody else's? Who knows? So because she resisted getting an abortion, he disliked her. So there were hard feelings between them. Not many people know about this. Certainly Shelley would not reveal this after her death. So I wouldn't put much into what Tony Curtis' said. He liked trying the goods but didn't want to buy them! So much for him. He was bisexual and didn't want his style cramped. She would not have gone for that. He knew it. In the famous scene with Tony and Lawrence Olivier in Kubrick's 'Spartacus' in the spa (That was really true between them, the tryst) although it wasn't real obvious at the time in the movies. I believe Shelley knew Marilyn in the early days, and they were friends. But later on, Shelley wasn't in Marilyn's league, and she was a bit envious of all her attention. It is not true that Marilyn suicided. She was murdered. Shelley did not extend into Marilyn's life in her later years, but you can see her trying to get alot of attention by talking about what she did know about her. That is not to say that Shelley wasn't a good actress. I am not taking that part away from her. It's just that they did not run in the same circles like the Rat Pack which Marilyn did, add of course her affair with JFK and RFK. I have read MANY books about Marilyn and the unfortunate thing is Marilyn kept a red diary about all her liason's, and that Pres. Jack had told her about UFO's. The CIA was worried that may get out, the mob used her for their " club events" at Frank's Cal Neva resort, and she was tired of being used and abused. She threatened to expose them all, and Peter Lawford (Pat Kennedy's gay husband at the time) managed to convince her psychaiatrist that she would rat on him too, so after the mob tried to shut her up unsuccessfully, Dr. Greenson DID. In front of the EMT going out the door to the ambulance! It was all on audio tape thanks to Hoover from the FBI trying to scandalize the Kennedy's, who had threatened to expose the fact (he was gay). And Mrs. Murray the housekeeper was a spy for Lawford and Dr. Greenson. In later years, the testimony of the Coroner and the EMT worker finally admitted she did not commit suicide. ( Not publicly) It was from S. Giancona's men - an enema; and shot to the heart of Nembutal. It took more than they thought because her use built up a tolerance to the drug. These stars all protect one another, and will never disclose the real stuff. They just want to be center of attention after their own star fades. Besides, nobody wants some other has been telling all "their goodies" after they die for fame and attention.

I had the pleasure to meet Tony Curtis many times I was his favorite waitress and he used to tip me $100 for one round of drinks . He would tell me fabulous old Hollywood stories and talk about Marilyn . His gf at the time looked like a clone of her . They were awesome

@@mirabellaolson6410 How sad, if your story is true! Marilyn, was just looking for love! On the movie sets; all kind of love triangles happen! So Tony in the dress; was not to far from the truth! 😏

Her look and persona was manufactured by Hollywood just like they all were back then; Bleached hair, a nose and chin job, had her teeth fixed, eventually drugs, and made to act a certain way. For as beautiful as she was what we see is mostly Hollywood.

And her and MM were, for a time, lovers.

Tell us about it! What happened with her and Burt?

Oh my god they were roommates

Young Burt Lancaster? Then Winters must have been a teenager. Lancaster was some 7 years older than her

@@JloveLamar wow didnt know

I remember reading her book... she definitely had an eventful life. Remember her writing about learning how to cry underwater? There's a part that talks about her crying in the pool day after a fight/breakup with ol' Burt.

Lyn lobliner. That's lol

As kids, my sisters and I heard about this just after it happened...she was walking on the beach with her boyfriend at the time, Richard Compton (one of my Dad's best friends) when they ran into Tony.

I think it meant that Marilyn was smart enough to know that all that glitters isn't gold. If you're dumb, you may confuse happiness with being a movie star, having wealth, or being with someone else famous. Marilyn had all of that before but never found happiness because she was looking for something deeper.

+Susan B................Not much going on between your ears, is there. You imbecile.

Also, I've witnessed a lot of highly intelligent people who suffer from depression. The tendency to over analyse, criticise and ruminate sometimes keep them depressed. An intelligent mind can easy devour itself if turned inward, on itself. Therefore the theory that had she of been less intelligent she may have been happier might have some credence. Like you say, she was looking for something deeper, something a less intelligent person may not have needed.

I don't know if it's about intelligence directly so much as it's about awareness. I think people that are more intelligent can often be more aware of problems outside of what's happening to them personally. I've noticed that less intelligent people tend to follow politics and world events less. It's a lot easier to be happy when you just concentrate on things that effect you and that are in your control versus larger issues like civil rights, which Marilyn Monroe was a proponent of. I think it's like that phrase when I eat, everybody eats. A more aware person might have the mindset that when everybody else eats, I eat. You can be happy you're doing well as long as you choose not to be aware or care that other people aren't. Like a lot of depressed people, Marilyn may have suffered from more empathy than she could handle.

Well said Darisha Sims. Perhaps she was an empath, too sensitive to the plight of other people.

Ed Miller there was a 1979 TV movie called Elvis, Kurt Russell played Elvis. Shelley played Elvis’s mother Gladys.

When you look back a lot of those that claimed to be friends especially Peter Lawford who pimped Marilyn to Kennedy and then his brother Robert. When they call the "Rat Pack" I believe most of them were "rats" except for Dean and Joey Bishop. The rests were users and vulgar men no matter how professional they seem to be these guys were jerks!

@@angelacarleton9575 Yes I agree but you neglected to state the fact that a noted satanic worshiper in that group was part of Anton LaVey's cult. Lawford and the Kennedy's killed her. The evidence is astounding for murder but even if it was not murder it was them who pushed her to that point. I think she was MUCH stronger than we think or give her credit for and the media has destroyed the true person she was. She survived so much and someone who wants to kill themselves is usually not telling people she is in fear for her life the SAME day she was found died. She would have not cared. She did have people who loved her sadly though she had others who used her and likely estranged those relationships like her current dr/psychiatrist the one who "found" her dead.

Vivian Brown n

She didn’t have a family. No father and no mother (her mother locked up in the mental ward). It’s only natural that she looked for a man to love her. She never had a family.

Angela Carleton as a child Marilyn had no family she was an orphan! its sad but she didn't stand a chance😳

Right!