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as far as your korra relationships analysis i just want to say thank you. (want to preface that im gay) i never got into this show and i kind of hate the lgbtq rep because of how awful the interpersonal character relationships are. because i couldn't even IMAGINE a 4 person friend group not completely dissolving after what korra did. korra dated bolin, cheated right in front of him with a taken man as bolin is holding a bouquet, caused mako and asami to break up and then ended with asami? im sorry but if that happened in real life bolin would forever have a grudge toward his brother mako for being a dick and not respecting his relationship, asami would hate korra for ruining what was a good relationship for her (basically shes a homewrecker) and asami would never want to see mako again for being a cheating douchebag. if this were REAL LIFE melodrama korra would be exiled and forced to find a new friend group. if they really wanted to have this be realistic korra would have been shunned by asami, shunned by mako & bolin (mako & bolin would be ok because they're brothers but bolin would hold it over makos head forever), and asami would not want to see mako or korra again unless she had to. the show if it were realistic and these 4 were forced to interact after the drama would be awkwardly formal and cordial with a deep underlying dislike forc eachother, so much so that every character besides the brothers interactions would look like "being forced to do a group project with your ex who cheated on you and made your life shitty at that time". (it would feel like pushing two opposing magnets together as they desperately push away from eachother- but like in people)

MLP tried shipping once, and it backfired SO badly, they never tried it again, and so every time the love interest character has to show up, you can just tell they have no bloody idea what to do with him

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Shhh don’t talk about war crimes, I’m already being investigated for enough shit.

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Nuclear Holocaust: Best shit

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The first half of Star Vs. was good. It all at least felt like it was flowing fairly naturally. But after the Battle for Mewnii movie, it all went off the rails. I can't help but think something happened mid development that might cause such a drastic shift.

@@A88mph The way they tried to hype up the Blood Moon into being something epic and having it turn out to be a total nothingburger fucked everything up. I won't waste too much time here but they tried to make it where Marco had been in love with Star from Day 1 when anyone with half a brain cell knew that wasn't the case. And frankly, Marco's character arc only works IF HE DOESN'T FALL FOR HER AT FIRST. HIs relationship with Jackie helped him grow and realize what we really wants, but if they did that they'd they have the "OMG THE BLOOD MOON REALLY IS FORCING THE RELATIONSHIP" crap. Lesson here: the Blood Moon was a mistake

@@AnimatedIdiotGuide yeah no, they never should have done that, it ruined every chance of Starco developing organically

​@@A88mph they changed like half of the writers, and the show went from a show wide arc to a seasonal arc, which didn't give the "villains" enough time to develop

Weren’t they released on the same day? (then again I could be wrong) Edit: I was correct both finales released on the same day! (May 19th is the day for horrible series finales)

I remember when total drama did this in it’s third season it was poorly written

I don't recall love triangles in Milo Murphy's Law or DuckTales 2017. Those are from the 2010s too.

This is a common trope in every generation, sometimes only relegated in romcoms but it's always there. Most cartoons never had it as a main focus but you can see some hints of it.

@@ArendAlphaEagle he wasn't saying every show from the 2010s had love triangles, he said there were a lot that had them

When regular show and adventure time ended up ignoring shipping, the over all quality got better.

Shipping should happen naturally as a side product of character interaction. The moment the creators made shipping an objective in of itself it has already failed.

@@ThisIsAshley41 but isn’t romance directly playing into shipping?

@@julianmartinez4719 indeed

@@ThisIsAshley41 yes thank you, implying that shipping = romantic storyline is simply in correct, i’d say the vast majority of ships in fandom have little to no genuine romantic storyline in relation to the actual show, story, book, etc. it’s really up to the fans imagination. that’s not to say that all ships have no romantic storyline to them, canon relationships do tend to be quite popular ships in fandom, it’s just that shipping a non-canon ship is more about what could’ve been. or maybe it’s just about seeing what it would be like if two characters got together (even if they only had like 2 seconds of scene time together). i personally don’t really go out of my way to consume fancontent about canon relationships in any of the series i’m interested in, the exception probably being asheiji (depending on who you ask anyway).

Oh boi Korra was a crap storm when it comes to romance.

Nah, Suko. And then they take down Osai with the power of love

@@PancakemonsterFO4 Now that would be Star VS level of Bad

Korra is hugely overrated, I like the artstyle but the world building is whack and Korra is a horrible, entitled and frankly unlikeable character. Her being bi just seems like quite literal fanservice

@@BuggingonBeeroids i mean she DOES get much better in seasons 3 & 4, unfortunately season 2 was so god awfully written most people still have that image of season 1 & 2 korra and can’t see how much she developed in the later seasons (also the villains in s3&4 are sooo much better).

If not that Power scalers, retarded edge, plot armor, and forced deaths: I am inevitable.

The sad thing is that love triangles(and most concepts like it) can be and have been done really well. But it's usually done so poorly that the "drama" you're supposed to be interested and invested in is just an chore that becomes a boring, infuriating mess that isn't fun to navigate.

@@insanepersondrawing danny phantom is the best example of how not to do it. It was worse since the show never developt as to why sam fell for danny and Danny for sam. While seeing the show, i never liked their romance, now that i'm older and developt as a person i came to learn to despise it with passion, and i'm unable to understand why is so popular.

@@insanepersondrawing What is your version of a love triangle done well? They're dramatic by nature

@@insanepersondrawing That’s true, Ninjago’s an example (Jya and Coya an example of an annoying love triangle)

I was always more into Jarco than Starco. It was the first ship truly shown in Star vs, and that, alongside Star's crush on Oskar, made me realize it's a breath of fresh air that the main characters were NOT being paired together at all... until Blood Moon Ball ruined that idea, that is. Turns out that breath of fresh air was in Milo Murphy's Law instead, in which Milo actually gets to start a romance with his crush Amanda, and NOT his best friend Melissa, and I LOVE IT. But I digress. Regardless of Blood Moon Ball, Jackie Lynn Thomas still remained one of the coolest characters, and her relationship with Marco actually WORKS. Really, it's baffling that the show writers didn't _just_ break up Marco and Jackie in Season 3, but went the extra mile and just _wrote her out of the show almost entirely,_ with the exception of two Season 4 episodes, in which she is now with this Chloe girl who appeared absolutely out of NOWHERE. Really, even if they HAD to break up, I think writing Jackie out of the show was uncalled for. Why not let her travel to Mewni from time to time too? Janna does it, why not Jackie? ...then again, with how poor the writing went in the later seasons, Jackie may have dodged a bullet... although, Tom became one of the best characters since Season 3, so uh...

@@ArendAlphaEagle Honestly, I was amazed with Tom's turn around. I only watched Star vs after it ended, so I heard a lot of praise for Tom. But my exposure to him in the first two seasons weren't great, and made me wonder why he was so popular. Then Season 3 came along and he actually showed growth, amd stayed likable till the end. Heck, I think he's the only character I ended up feeling entirely positive towards once I reached the end.

Nah TomStar sucks because Star is an actual god damn terrible girlfriend. She outoxiced the character trope of toxic ex, thats how bad their season 3 relationship was

@@rodrigofigueiredo8597 true, if she had developed rather than being an asshole whole chooses when she wants to be responsible or not and be a hypocrite (aka not suffer the writing of the later seasons) that ship could have worked. But as it is despite seeing it as a better option for them to be together compared to starco cuz the writing issues, star did a 180 and became the toxic one in the relationship rather than Tom who tried his damn hardest to change for himself and her. also pissed me off more that after Tom broke up with star and gave Marco the heads up, i honestly started to feel bad, like he knew he can't save a relationship with star obviously liking Marco and how she acts. And wouldn't cha know it, a day or 2 later when she was SUPPOSE to save her injured citizens, she goes out to kiss and confess with Marco while completely forgetting about leaving Tom in the magic dimension The more I look into it the more she seems like a selfish psychopath rather than a teen that does dumb things

Like they should have just gotten together in season 3 or had Star and Marco get together in season 2 and maybe have Marco relise that Jackie wasn't as good as he thought soo. Or even just keep Jackie and Marco and Tom and Star because they where actually pretty good relationships. Even Kelly and Marco could have been interesting as they support each other throughout there feelings.

Remember to steer it carefully or else it might sink or crash

It's scary how people can take shipping so seriously, the 'My Hero Acadamia' fandom is an absolute nightmare because of shipping

@@blackdrag0nfish fr I’m not in the fandom I’m a enjoyer of the plot not a fan I can’t be a fan I’m not entering that hell scape

Tell that to RoosterTeeth.

This is why I don't like fan driven ships since they basically ruin it.

They would've been better off as friends like partners in crime

@@aayy9540 true tho starco felt forced

Starco as close friends would have worked so much better.

Me and my sister were just talking about this the other day, I believe iirc they were being cancelled after their last season so they had to rush the whole plot yet somehow managed to put in so much filer because of trying to fit in romance and other story lines. If they had been given at least one more season they *might* have been able to flesh out the transition to Starco better AND focus on the whole Earth/Mewni thing plus some. Personally overall many ships are good or had the potential to be good in the show, but the ending definitely feels cheap and unexplained. 😕

Well as their friendship was developed I also think they're ship suddenly was there 🤨

I think Frost and Fire was among the last couple episodes before I stopped watching Adventure Time. I kind of gradually lost interest when it turned out this season was _double the length_ of previous seasons and was only at the halfway point

@@ArendAlphaEagle I highly recommend you keep watching. Seasons 5 and 6 are rocky but have some good stuff in them, and 7-10 are genuinely great and possibly better than the first 4 seasons

@@ArendAlphaEagle I encourage you to pick it back up, Adventure Time is a masterpiece

agreed

@@squill9446 its not difficult to be better than the first two or even 3 seasons considering they re not really very well regarded.

This was basically my reaction when Ben 10 started dating Kai lmao 💀

@@error-try-again-later ugh don't remind me of that, hated that aspect of the later seasons of OV, that and the whole spanner thing. not helping is the whole petty arguments between them and the writers try pass it as "they like each other" hate that trope (if it even is one)

Aromantic person? Well aren’t you lucky

I agree

im not aromantic myself but i strongly agree with what you said- some movies also add unnecessary romance- it completely ruins the whole story for me

X2 I'm not aro but I 100% agree with you, romance is so overused and some stories shouldn't or don't need to have it

I like romance the most if it serves as a sub-plot. Giving the characters enough moments and I will accept it. But literally forcing it (let it ruin the storyline and create confusions) and writing it like a first-sight love Disney romance is a no for me.

Man he made 23 look good

​@TheGlassesPro, I remember viewing Rigby as immature, and Mordecai as the cooler & more mature one but, as the show went on the two completely swapped, and it really shocked me.

He said he and Rigby were 23 from the first episode

​@@DDarkestKnight I'm not gonna judge

no WAY he's a grown adult he always acts like he's 15

The writes hated Mako, and so does the fans. Lol

That's just so typical for some reason. The partner 'cheats' and all the anger goes at them even if they were not initiating anything and the other person knew about their relatioship.

Mako was (or may have been) too surprised by the kiss to (actively) resist it at the time. Don't put the blame on him. Blame Korra.

Honestly I don't think it's truly fair to blame Mako for not pulling back. Some people are more passive than others and might not be able to immediately assert themselves in situations like this. Plus I think that blaming him in this specific instance is problematic since contextually, Korra *forced herself onto him,* saying that "its their fault for not moving away" when the person in question never consented to that encounter feels like victim blaming to me.

I get they wanted the teen romance to be volition (at least that’s what I heard) but they could’ve handled the confrontation and improving personality in terms of dating parts better. But then again Nickelodeon was fckin with the team working on the LoK

It was full of young girls/boys who didn’t really understand that if they actually got up and made an effort to find a partner instead of inserting themselves as said character, they’d be pretty good. But alas, they were too obsess and lonely.

Fr. They should have stayed friends

@@rennn6698 I was HOPING for them to stay friends after the first several episodes of Season 1. But nope! Couldn't even have that.

I loved the first season because it was fun and refreshing to see two main characters of opposite gender being close without any romantic feelings in the way. One reason why so many people don't believe in man/woman platonic friendship is that you rarely find that kind of chemistry in media, especially stuff aimed at children.

I shipped it a bit but, gradually started to really ship it... in the end, I walked out disgusted by it, and wanting to smite Star & Marco for treating all their other partners like dirt. _Watching Kelly deal with her issues of bad relationships only for Marco to immediately break up with her, Tom breaking things up himself because he could tell he was just a "placeholder" for Marco, Tom not believing that Marco kissed Star until Marco says that he really did which is sad because he came back to defend Marco & still did after the confirmation, etc._ it was honestly pretty heartbreaking. The closer the end drew the more I feared they would be confirmed, and the more I knew it'd be true but, that didn't stop me from feeling the embarrassment, and cringe throughout the whole thing, goodness there's no way I'll ever forget the cereal conversation, the live performance singing about how much Star loves Marco, the photo booth, and many more, I wish I could.

Sweet shit when you actually explain that scene in its entirety it really sounds fucked up goddamn…

Ah a fello E;R enjoyer, I salute thee my brother.

@@georgethompson1460 same here!🙋🏽‍♀️

Exactly. You just summed up the main problem with the “romance” in some of these shows.

And if they do date in in the middle of the show, they'll break up at some point over something that could have been solved in 5 minutes if they just talked to each other.

@@myeeeeeh Looking at you, SAGE.

Later seasons were only worth watching for Eclipsa's development

It also doesn’t help that the creator of the show rudely dismissed any criticism of the finale in a Reddit AMA by saying that she was HAPPY with the ending and those who hated the ending for feeling it was rushed were merely “unhappy” that it was ending which just shows how she cannot take any criticism whatsoever.

I don't hate S3 and S4. I'm of the belief that even at its worst the show would still watchable, but it was never too amazing in the first place

And Disney getting flack for "SvtfoE was suppose to have an extra season but got cancelled!" rumours going around, like regardless if Disney cut Star short or not, what was the show's excuse for having SO MUCH filter going on? I hate that Disney went out and cut TOH short (for not "fitting the brand", like WHAT), but Star, if the rumours were true, DID NOT deserve another season, they'd just add more mind-numbing nonsense (did we REALLY need a whole episode of Janna and Tom goofing around with A BOOT?) instead of using the time to really dive into depth with the lore and characters, a waste to a show that had so much potential.

Fucking same man.

Honestly ..

That’s the only major thing I didn’t like about Regular Show

@@Cosmologyelle Yeah because that was the only thing I hated about Reguoar Show.

Yeah, I remember getting genuinely annoyed at that crap.

Dear God that fanbase was a godforsaken trainwreck from Hell.

I once heard it said that everything that fanbase touched turned to ash.

that problem would have been too easy tho lol, almost low- hanging fruit at that point

He about shipping in show not the fandom itself

While VLD was a Category 7 nuclear disaster of a fandom, the ships within the canon itself took up very little real estate. If anything, Allura/Lance was not set up nearly as much for anyone to really root for it, even if one wasn’t a delusional Klance fan who believed the sun revolved around that ship. The less said about Shiro, the better but suffice it to say everyone on the show’s staff was way too terminally online with this fan base. No one deserved death threats but the constant interaction w this horrid fandom made things a lot worse.

Not has to. They decide to appeal to them. No one is forcing them.

​​​​​​@@theautumnwind8437 Some things don't need shipping at all, like FNAF. Why would you have shipping in a series that includes dead kids, broken adults, and Animatronics that are powered by souls or agony, and Honestly to me the only instances where shipping make sense is with William Afton and his wife [also something like Evan and Cassidy, I only really see them as friends and to me Evan x Cassidy would only really work properly is if it's in an AU where both of them never died (and if there's no NSFW of them) and same can be applied to the other kids, y'know?] or His Son, Mike [the nightguard from FNAF 1-3] and Mary [the Nightguard from a FNAF fan game called Five Nights at Candy's (FNAC)]. Other than those examples I don't really see a need for ships in FNAF. Also People need to respect each other's headcanons as long those headcanons don't Include disgusting things (Like R@pe, P3DOPHILIA, Z00PHILIA, etc...)

But Hey that's just a theory... A GAME THEORY

Wubbzy x Daizy for life.

Alfur x Adeline rep

@@definitelynotapervert5602 I didn't know Hilda ships even existed.... But they definitely fit together tho. Does David x Frida exist?

I stopped watching because of it

I'm not really a huge Starco shipper and think they should've staid friends BUT I can see how it could've worked really well yet they handled it abysmal

Your pfp reminds me of my time in the shipping wars & I find it funny.

It was bad only because it was forced for the 4 season limit rule, and they forced them two to declare their love too early... And i really hate this... There had to be a season 5 and we deserve a season 5! They have to do it. I will never forgive Disney for what they have done...

@@the_impossible_gamer ...Didn't Daron Nefcy say that she _knew_ beforehand that they were gonna get no more than four seasons?

Agreed

Jarco was always the show's best ship

@Shatho Ntabeni I prefer Jarco more but I feel Starco could have worked if the writers weren't so focused on their bias and actually built up the relationship Kellco ngl was robbed though

@@roo1014 to be honest, youre right

@@roo1014 omg same

Yep

Unless you're someone like me. Who has only two ships they like- Katara X Aang From Avatar And Izuku Midoriya From Boku No Hero Academia X Yang Xiao Long From RWBY Since for me. Both ships make sense. Are super adorable/wholesome. And are fun to watch. And really doesn't care about shipping at all. But hey. What do I know?

Virgin obsessive shipper vs Chad Average Plot/Character Development Enjoyer

@@dylansmith5206 When I was a kid I thought Katara was too old for Aang, must have been the height difference or something. Always thought she was more sisterly.

Ah, the "good" ol' days of Sonamy. The time where I learned that yes, people can be super engrossed in a fictional romance between anthro rodents. Thankfully, I feel like things have toned down even in the actual series to where Amy's less "Sonic crazed fangirl who can track him like a bloodhound" and more "Sonic's loyal friend who has a massive crush she can subdue (especially in IDW)". Then again, I haven't really kept tabs on Sonamy so maybe they still feel personally attacked by a teenage chipmunk.

I think it’s a good lesson on how not to be toxic

@@typicalghost6930 But why not build up a new character that was ALREADY toxic to teach that?

@@felixdaniels37 mmm. Finn hasn't learned that lesson, Finn is a kid, a kid who doesn't always have the best moral paragon, he's still a kid.

@@baboin1851 But that's not a lesson Finn even needs to learn, because it's not even believable that he'd DO something like that to begin with. It's not about being moral, it's about consistency.

@@felixdaniels37 To be fair, that kind of happened? Jake's wise but he constantly gets gassed up with affirmation, Tiffany's a rare sight but would be what Finn could have been at his worse, and his first crush of the show Bubblegum had ALOT under the hood. Finn has that toxicity all around him, and it's what led him with his spiral down with Flame Princess. It's just, it never went to Tier 15-

Some things don't need shipping at all, like FNAF. Why would you have shipping in a series that includes dead kids, broken adults, and Animatronics that are powered by souls or agony, and Honestly to me the only instances where shipping make sense is with William Afton and his wife [also something like Evan and Cassidy, I only really see them as friends and to me Evan x Cassidy would only really work properly is if it's in an AU where both of them never died (and if there's no NSFW of them) and same can be applied to the other kids, y'know?] or His Son, Mike [the nightguard from FNAF 1-3] and Mary [the Nightguard from a FNAF fan game called Five Nights at Candy's (FNAC)]. Other than those examples I don't really see a need for ships in FNAF

There is romance that is so bad it becomes a psychological thriller

Please, _Milanda_ fucking TROUNCES Starco as well. Milo and Amanda's relationship may not have gotten as much focus as Luz and Amity's, but it's still MILES AND MILES better than Star and Marco's. Heck, _JARCO_ trounces Starco when you think about it. Marco should've stayed with Jackie, IMO.

​@@ArendAlphaEagle It's funny, I can pick just about any ship on Disney Channel (minus Miraculous Ladybug) and it probably will have been done better than Starco. Freaking Kellco and Tomstar were done better than Starco. Tomco was even done better and they were never even canon.

@@Commenter839 if tomco was canon that would've singlehandedly been the best lgbtq rep at the time

@@ThisIsAshley41 I feel you on this . Lumity is pretty good but the development could’ve been better.

@@lingonberryjam more like Troll repressentation amiright?

Fair enough. If you can't do romantic drama well, but still want lovers in your story, then you can at least build up to them tying the knot in a timely manner and NOT drag it out... at all!

If by Fire Emblem approach, you just mean real life

My brother in Christ FE forces almost every possible couple into a shotgun marriage after only three conversations with each other (or if you're Chrom, one is enough)

Aka the most boring thing ever. There needs to be conflict, something to hook the viewer, otherwise the romance is as bland as a piece of white bread dipped in water.

The crazy part, if I remember this correctly, is that Marinette's best friend (Ayla) and Adrien's best friend (Nino) not only BOTH know each other's secret identity (Rena Rouge and Carapace, respectively), but have _also_ been dating each other. _Marinette and Adrien could've been that as well!_

The crazy part is that the show is more famous for the Olympic love whatchamacallit and how completely stupid Hawk/Shadow/Moth is as a villain/the pushover Adrian is/the serial killer Marinette is - all barely constrained by what can only be described as a Saturday Morning cartoon framing device. I hope to reach that level of infamy when I write.

The whole love triangle is basically the main reason to why the show is still going the plot and the story are a complete medd at this point i just watch people's thoughts on the show instead

​​​@@ArendAlphaEagle Some things don't need shipping at all, like FNAF. Why would you have shipping in a series that includes dead kids, broken adults, and Animatronics that are powered by souls or agony, and Honestly to me the only instances where shipping make sense is with William Afton and his wife [also something like Evan and Cassidy, I only really see them as friends and to me Evan x Cassidy would only really work properly is if it's in an AU where both of them never died (and if there's no NSFW of them) and same can be applied to the other kids, y'know?] or His Son, Mike [the nightguard from FNAF 1-3] and Mary [the Nightguard from a FNAF fan game called Five Nights at Candy's (FNAC)]. Other than those examples I don't really see a need for ships in FNAF

​@@eatatjoes6751 Bro William Afton [FNAF] feels like a better villian than Hawkmoth at times

Or Tomstar

@@0Magicallywild0 Nah tom deserves better star was a terrible girlfriend

@@ok.4720 He deserves Janna. No joke.

It really didn't. It was like Timmy and Trixie from Fairly Oddparents; awkward boy simping over cool girl is super dumb every time.

@@SukiNoKoe Except Jackie wasn't a snobby bitch like Trixie and even when they weren't dating they're still able to casually hang out as friends, unlike Timmy and Trixie.

Coming from second-hand experience, lesbian relationships can get hella toxic: the equivalent of a drunkard pounding away at his dead-inside and Stockholm Syndrome wife kinda toxic.

First, I am so glad I wasn't the only one who thought it came out of nowhere. Like I was like "when where they a couple" but yet, it's another fan driven ship and those have a bad reputation for not being good or handled well. 2: if you think korrasami is bad, don't forget about catdora. That's way worse and more toxic.

Me with catdora

I'm surprised he didn't bring up the worst mlm ships ever: Shiro and his off-screen relationships.

Rip Trent. Cool based music dude that don't care about nothing turned to insecure cringe soy. 😔🙏

​@Franst he went German (Get it? Nine? Nein? OK I'll see myself out

​@@YujiUedaFanMLM?

@@SpartanJoe193 Gay relationship basically.

It's called living vicariously

because real life relationships hurts more...

Probably because they have no actual interest in doing it themselves, but find it cute to see two pairings that they find to be fitting be on screen

Because they don't have a real relationship, they want to fantasize themselves in a ship or see the ship they want in reality

@@yonderalt2662 i prefer don't have a real relationship, it's so bad...

Me too and I agree

Muscle Man and Starla were good too. They genuinely loved and cared about each other.

​@@myeeeeeh Muscle Man and Starla are one of those couples that just work.

Not to mention creepy. Remember the Septiplier craze. It almost destroyed Sean and Marks friendship

Honestly I'm glad that I left the shipping community since 1. It was toxic AF. 2. Some of the ships don't make any sense. 3. The Fanfics and Fanart are pretty bad especially the R34 ones💀. 4. Its basically a F**king warzone. 5. They treat Criticism of their pathetic ship like it's a F**king warcrime. Honestly I could write a F**king essay of how bad the shipping community is and Thank God I left that community. I'm never going back there ever again. And Some things don't need shipping at all, like FNAF. Why would you have shipping in a series that includes dead kids, broken adults, and Animatronics that are powered by souls or agony, and Honestly to me the only instances where shipping make sense is with William Afton and his wife [also something like Evan and Cassidy, I only really see them as friends and to me Evan x Cassidy would only really work properly is if it's in an AU where both of them never died (and if there's no NSFW of them), y'know?] or His Son, Mike [the nightguard from FNAF 1-3] and Mary [the Nightguard from a FNAF fan game called Five Nights at Candy's (FNAC)]. Other than those examples I don't really see a need for ships in FNAF

@@ntfoperative9432 excuse me the WHAT!?

@@jimskywaker4345 about a decade or so ago, someone I guess jokingly shipped Jacksepticeye and Markiplier. Then people started taking it way to seriously, to the point that both Sean and Mark were getting sent fan art. It got so bad that when Sean and Mark got the opportunity to meet up, they actually felt uncomfortable next to each other, and it almost destroyed their friendship, but luckily before that happened Septiplier left the public conscious

It's the Lateralus guy

What’s Milanda? I’m trying to remember is that Milo and Amanda from Milo Murphy’s law?

@@WDB2005 Yes. Yes it is.

What about Pennashi? That works too.

​@@ArendAlphaEagle Kinda Unrelated but what do you think of Shipping in FNAF? You know the Hit Horror Game Series that has Animatronics possessed by the Souls of Dead Kids, A Purple man that killed said kids who also refuses to die, and has convoluted lore that made MatPat go insane?

LMFAO

At least Sailor Moon characters got development and their powers got upgraded. The only huge downside Sailor Moon has is Chibi Moon because she is just the worst.

It took until like season 7 for Finn to apologise too.

At least Finn managed to be on better terms with Flame Princess at the end, Mordecai and CJ's relationship is broken beyond repair

Me and my brother are rewatching Regular Show currently and we feel the same way about the love triangle. My brother told me he gets second hand embarrassment watching that scene from the wedding episode and I don’t blame him.

I agree. I am a rat for cartoons but I genuinely don’t like it when a plot is screwed over in favor of what fans want.

@@Just_Cheffin31 Not even the fans wanted to tbh.

@@Just_Cheffin31 fr I don’t mind romance when it makes sense dosent happen in the first 5 episodes of the series (if we take examples like owl house where we didn’t see the characters past or they had crushes before the series started it can happen ) and isn’t Brocken up immediately or at all

Regular Show fan here. You're literally speaking my thoughts. The shipping was just super annoying and boring. It also made me dislike Mordecai too - all he did was "pull a Mordecai" by not being honest and just being a crappy person overall.

@@CDsCartoons It started a whole shipping war.

2000's rule? Elab on that?

I thought that Milo Murphy's Law did romantic relationships pretty well too (or at least, much better than Star vs did with Starco)

​​​​​@@ArendAlphaEagle Some things don't need shipping at all, like FNAF. Why would you have shipping in a series that includes dead kids, broken adults, and Animatronics that are powered by souls or agony, and Honestly to me the only instances where shipping make sense is with William Afton and his wife [also something like Evan and Cassidy, I only really see them as friends and to me Evan x Cassidy would only really work properly is if it's in an AU where both of them never died (and if there's no NSFW of them) and same can be applied to the other kids, y'know?] or His Son, Mike [the nightguard from FNAF 1-3] and Mary [the Nightguard from a FNAF fan game called Five Nights at Candy's (FNAC)]. Other than those examples I don't really see a need for ships in FNAF. Reply to this comment pls.

​@@ArendAlphaEagle Kinda Unrelated but what do you think of Shipping in FNAF? You know the Hit Horror Game Series that has Animatronics possessed by the Souls of Dead Kids, A Purple man that killed said kids who also refuses to die, and has convoluted lore that made MatPat go insane?

I haven’t even watched She-ra (Netflix’s version, obviously) and I have seen videos about all the times catra abuses adora. It fucking disgusts me! Like holy shit, it’s abusive and not cute in any way shape or form.

Even weirder is that the creator said the ship was based off her and her wife ☠️☠️☠️

If Catra redeemed herself and actively tried to better herself I think the ship could’ve worked, but even at the end she still emotionally and physically abused Adora since Adora is a doormat and thinks abuse is love. Such a dogshit relationship, Spinnetossa was a way better wlw couple than them

What is upsetting is people were okay with Catradora becoming canon, despite the many crimes Catra had caused and the abuse and manipulation she has done to Adora.

Which is why I’m more for fanon Catradora than canon. Granted Catra did try to redeem herself in S5 but by then, the damage had already been done. I could say that in the future they do grow as people and have a more stable relationship, which is probably the case. I just wish Catra went on her redemption arc a LOT sooner. That would have helped things a lot.

*Marinette. Not Marionette.

Nope, she got worse, actually. There's even a few sexual assaults in her records, now :)

@@BootyCrusader That makes me think back then that Marinette is a total hypocrite when it comes to the other stuff that she said and done.🤔

@@BootyCrusader Oh god - h o w f u n

@@ThisIsAshley41 I sounds more like they are talking about Star and Marco....but those two didn't break up. 🤔

@@johannesseyfried7933 What if they broke up AFTER the series finale??? 😱

@@ArendAlphaEagle Well, this would make me even more angry. I already fell out of love with Starco, but if these two Idiots broke up after *finally* getting together......then this ship was the biggest waste of time in history!

Freaking Lars x Sadie vs. Luz x Amity (ok, not that early on)

@@ArendAlphaEagle IIRC Nefcy said in an AMA after the finale that Star and Marco might break up in the future because that's how teenagers are or some shit, so Star murdered countless magical beings and fused Earth with Mewni for a fling.

What I really hate is when the start of a show cements a specific ship (even down to them getting engaged), only to ruin it over and over again by introducing characters that only exist to cause conflict for said ship.

@@YujiUedaFan Sword Art Online did this very thing seemingly once every arc, and it became one of the reasons I dropped the show after Yuuki Konno's death. I was hooked by the high stakes of a death game and the growth of a healthy romance, and neither was worth my investment in the end

still cringe

still cringe

And it is clear Matt understands shipping because the gravity falls homage episode has a coded message that says "dipcifica 4 lyfe".

@TheGlassesPro no calamity ship because canon because anne already has a boyfriend and is straight.

@@tomkatt8274 I only remember hop-pop asking if she has a boyfriend in quarreler's pass. To which Anne kicked him for asking.

@@starburst98 and we never found out why.

@@tomkatt8274 yeah, it's almost like teenagers typically hate this kind of question or something

And to add on to Amphibia they let the fans interpret other ships and avoid wars

both shows are trash woke like ok ko and craigh of the creek

What makes CJ worse is that the writers try and force people watching into thinking she's cool, even down to Rigby saying CJ's cooler than Margaret. Yeah... no way is CJ cooler than anyone after the helicopter thing!

Why does Cat noir sound like a neck beard?

And then he became a cop later. I like Mako and I don't like how Korra dragged him to her level, only to backstab him too. Mako should have got with someone else and stayed away from the drama.

It also doesn’t helped that he was named in tribute to Mako Iwamatsu like wow what a pathetic and terrible way to “honor” someone like that.

Also Korra dragged Mako down, only to backstab him later! How is Mako the root problem here? Mako was the fall guy, hence why his personality is meant to be "love to hate". Yeah, no... he and his brother should have just got with other people off screen and stayed far away from Korra's delusional drama.

Not even MatPat would understand that love hexagon

Same with me :) ayeee

Yeah people could post something so simple like fanart and people in the comments would be flamed up because they don’t like the ship 💀

Oh my god, I agree! If it were given to a good creator that knew what they were doing, I think Miraculous could have been a really cool show! I’ve heard there’s a official manga adaptation of the first season and it’s actually better than the original…

​@@amyvasquez4268 Also the Creator of this show is like Alex Mahan aka YandereDev

No, the worst kind is when the main two characters are engaged, but their canon ship is ruined by 50 people vying for their attention. It's why I hate Rumiko Takahashi ships because they're just pure exhaustion and frustration. Only Urusei Yatsura did it remotely right because Ataru wanted nothing to do with Lum initially, giving one of the characters growth instead of keeping the status quo for 500 episodes.

yes

shipping wars are funny to me, as a multi-shipper. ive never cared having an otp so i never understood having such passionate arguments about something so inconsequential. as long as there are good fics about it on ao3 and it isnt inherently problematic, ill take what I can get ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I started watching it for the plot and the friend-slow-buildup of their relationship. Then season 3 happened and literally the blood moon took over the show.

Wow, same, kinda. With Marco having a crush on Jackie, and Star having a crush on Oskar, it would mean that Star and Marco would be best friends of opposite genders that AREN'T dating each other, which would've been _such_ a breath of fresh air when it seems like every pair of main characters would eventually end up dating each other JUST because they're the main characters. _Such_ an overdone cliché, and kind of makes the whole thing an expected norm among fellow shippers, which this dynamic absolutely should NOT be. Of course, that whole thing gets thrown out of the window with Blood Moon Ball, sadly. Turns out it's _Milo Murphy's Law_ that has the best friends dynamic between main characters Milo and Melissa WITHOUT making them a romantic couple EVER.

True. I hate how kids shows feel the need to shove romance into everything when most kids aren't interested in that. Not saying you shouldn't do it, I just think it's weird that romance is in any show for kids aged 8+

Same. Loved season one BECAUSE their relationship was platonic. As soon as the show hinted at romance I bailed tf out.

​​@@ArendAlphaEagle Honestly I'm glad that I left the shipping community since 1. It was toxic AF. 2. Some of the ships don't make any sense. 3. The Fanfics and Fanart are pretty bad especially the R34 ones💀. 4. Its basically a F**king warzone. 5. They treat Criticism of their pathetic ship like it's a F**king warcrime. Honestly I could write a F**king essay of how bad the shipping community is and Thank God I left that community. I'm never going back there ever again. And Some things don't need shipping at all, like FNAF. Why would you have shipping in a series that includes dead kids, broken adults, and Animatronics that are powered by souls or agony, and Honestly to me the only instances where shipping make sense is with William Afton and his wife [also something like Evan and Cassidy, I only really see them as friends and to me Evan x Cassidy would only really work properly is if it's in an AU where both of them never died (and if there's no NSFW of them) and same can be applied to the other kids, y'know?] or His Son, Mike [the nightguard from FNAF 1-3] and Mary [the Nightguard from a FNAF fan game called Five Nights at Candy's (FNAC)]. Other than those examples I don't really see a need for ships in FNAF

I don't ship main trio in Amphibia. I only see them as really close friends and a good representation of girl friendship but I respect shipers who ship main trio. I don't have any grudge against them.

@TheGlassesPro annet odl be better with a boyfriend because brenda song

That's fine if don't like canon ships as an idea

I’m glad that the show didn’t spend too much time with Sprig’s harem if it was Daron Nefcy writing that it would’ve been a nightmare

@@bozanapetrovic8759 Thank you, you will not believe how many people I've found that do that to me and other shippers :/

I would not write romance in a story at all. It just ruins the dynamic between characters that they'll only care about their love interest more than others, even their own family.

@@JLacay" They care about their love interest more than their family." Only if you write them that way.

@@JLacay thats the beauty of writing--relationships and characters in relationships can be whatever you make them out to be

Same

​​@@icecreamhero2375 You know when I write relationships, I don't do romance drama BS at all.

I will always appreciate Milo Murphy's Law for just... NOT doing these love triangles? Milo stays with Amanda, booyah. Zack stays with Melissa, boom. Any other relationships with Milo or Zack that were being hinted at are either regarded as a joke or are pretty much over before the episode ends. No one takes Milo x Joni seriously, it's only to emphasize that Amanda's in love with Milo and jealous when other girls threaten that relationship. Zack loses his crush on Jackie (not Lynn Thomas) near the end and realizes she's crazy.

Marco did not "date" every female character though. It was just Jackie and Kelly.🤨

@@SukiNoKoe Ben 10 from Omniverse does, before settling for the worst one.

@@YujiUedaFan I haven't seen that show xD

​@@ArendAlphaEagle Some things don't need shipping at all, like FNAF. Why would you have shipping in a series that includes dead kids, broken adults, and Animatronics that are powered by souls or agony, and the only instances where shipping make sense is with William Afton and his wife {also something like Evan and Cassidy, I only really see them as friends} or His Son, Mike [the nightguard from FNAF 1-3] and Mary [the Nightguard from a FNAF fan game called Five Nights at Candy's (FNAC)]. Other than those examples I don't really see a need for ships in FNAF

Also Voltron for Shiro's non-existent forced mlm relationships.

bad examples steven universal,regular show,star vs the forces of evil,miraculous ladybug,amphibia,shera and the princess of the lgbt,adventure time,the owl house,infinity train,helluva boss,hazbin hotel,rick and morty,total drama and others this sucks to day for that

I heard Roadside Attraction was written like that JUST because Alex Hirsch was so confused about Candip shippers from Season 1.

@@ArendAlphaEagle I fully believe he did that

well yeah, clearly Pacifica is the right one for him xD

@@SukiNoKoe I fully believe that was supposed to be the canon ship, because they had so much chemistry together

@@ntfoperative9432 They did! And he had a good influence on her too!

Me too

I also recommend Cyrus the great his channel has every miraculous ladybug he goes on detailing on how the show sucks you should watch him he's spitting

sarcastic chorus is a hypocrite he only make things worst that the reasons shows like helluva boss,star,shera,steven unvierse are cringe

Honestly, with all this Starco drama it was lovely to see Marco somewhat move on, and while he and Kelly didn't get too much of a screen time together all their intreactions seemed supportive. At this point both of them were careful with their relationship so it's development was healthiest in this whole damn show. I understand it's silly to cheer for underdog ship, but how they handled it was downright disrespectfull

@@sharmelfattakhov5041 Yeah, I actually really liked markelly. I think the implication was that both of them were a rebound for each other so they were never really down bad for each other. I agree though, it was a pretty healthy relationship. I'd choose it over Starco any day.

I hate how Milo Murphy's Law also undoes the Phineas and Isabella ship by having them be kids forever.

@@YujiUedaFan I mean, it hasn't been 10 years later yet, as Act Your Age was set 10 years into the (canonical) future. Their future was already written for them (literally!), so don't worry.

@@siyahseeker MML SHOULD take place 10 years later though because the technology is different to the start of P&F. Additionally, when Phineas, Milo and Ferb make that de-unlickifier robot thing, Linda is RIGHT THERE! She doesn't care and Candace isn't saying a thing! Only way this would have made sense if it TOOK PLACE 10 years later! Don't get me started on the Doof's character downgrade. What, he couldn't last more than 2 months in a school? In the future he hasn't committed a crime for 10 years, yet according to MML, he just... keeps on being a criminal. Once again, only making sense (kinda?) if it took place 10 years later.

@@YujiUedaFan it should, but it doesn't. The show canonically takes place in the fall after phineas and ferbs summer

@@christosdoesthings I know, but it makes less sense that way.

I agree 100%

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I blame Rumiko Takahashi for introducing this level of drama into cartoons.

Aaaaaaand now it (and Jarco) sound like Grizzco from Splatoon. Thanks.

​@@ArendAlphaEagle Some things don't need shipping at all, like FNAF. Why would you have shipping in a series that includes dead kids, broken adults, and Animatronics that are powered by souls or agony, and the only instances where shipping make sense is with William Afton and his wife or His Son, Mike Schmidt [the nightguard from FNAF 1-3] and Mary Schmidt [the Nightguard from a FNAF fan game called Five Nights at Candy's (FNAC)]. Other than those examples I don't really see a need for ships in FNAF

Because it felt organic, and not like the wierd kid making his toys kiss for no reason

@@ntfoperative9432 Also Lumity has actual chemistry and we didn't see Luz or Amity date 50 people before they got together.

I never understood the love for lumity the pacing feels worse than people let on. Edit: back from multiple binges Lumity slaps and I was an idiot.

lgbt still sucks in the modern cartoons are trash woke

Yes

wander over yonder has an extremely strong friendship between the two main characters (wander and sylvia) and it isnt romantic at all. great show super funny too